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4065468 No.4065468 [Reply] [Original]

Hey /lit/, I'm a political science major and the first reading assignment in my upper-level poli sci course is Ideology and the State Apparatuses by this faggot. What should I be prepared for in the discussion next class?

>> No.4065473

my god, is your professor a card-carrying marxist or something?

since when is althusser brought up in polisci?

>> No.4065505

>>4065468
Ever read Foucault? It's kind of like that.

>> No.4065603

>>4065468
OP, you might want to ask this to /pol/.

>> No.4065657

>>4065468
Dude, if you're reading this in polisci you should consider yourself lucky.

>> No.4065695

>>4065657
lol why? althusser was a fucking stalinist and cultural marxist.

>> No.4065703

>>4065657
>lucky because the teacher is a heavily biased cunt who wishes to churn unpredicting students who know no better into cookie cutter Marxists just like him and you.

The university really is a brainwashing camp.

>> No.4065707

>>4065703
Colleges and unis are full of cultural marxist brainwashing nowadays. Any poli sci or philosophy class will give you critical theory non-stop.

>> No.4065753
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>>4065695
>>4065703
>>4065707
>mfw people think "cultural marxism" is a real thing.

>> No.4065756

He isn't too bad to read actually. I read him in a theory class. He is not as dense as Marx, as in you can connect what you are reading with contemporary society more easily.

I like what he writes about Ideological State Aparatus. Apparently it is separated into the base (economic foundation) and superstructure (the propaganda machine).

>> No.4065758

>>4065753
Are you retarded? Cultural marxism is an actual term. It wasn't made up on 4chan.

>> No.4065798

>>4065758
It's an idiotic term nonetheless.

>> No.4065801

>>4065798
Use a synonym then, if you happen to know one. It describes a historically important and influential school of thought which is relevant today.

>> No.4065805

>>4065801
Sure, but you have to tell me how the fuck Gramsci, Althusser, and the Frankfurt Schoolers were "cultural marxists" if that's the case.

>> No.4065824

OP, take my advice and drop your course. You will learn NOTHING but pure marxist bullshit. Take microeconomics instead if you haven't already.

>> No.4065837

>>4065805
>but you have to tell me how the fuck Gramsci, Althusser, and the Frankfurt Schoolers were "cultural marxists" if that's the case.

I never claimed that, but in any case, cultural marxism literally describes the school of thought which has as its foundation the Frankfurt school.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism

>> No.4065846

>>4065695
I don't know what kind of ignorant cunt you are. But even within your own pathetic ideology what you've said contradicts itself.

>> No.4065848

>>4065846
what did i say that was contradictory? althusser was an apologist for stalin and mao and hated western civ just like adorno, marcuse, etc. did.

>> No.4065849

>>4065837
Mind telling us how the guck Althusser is a Frankfurter?

Kołakowski is spinning in his grave at how anti-intellectual the right is.

>> No.4065858

>>4065848
You suggested he was a Frankfurter you dumb cunt. Althusser strongly privileges the base you know nothing cunt ream.

>> No.4065860

>>4065849
Where the fuck do you keep getting all these words that you're shoving into my mouth? I'm responding specifically to your claim that cultural marxism isn't a real thing (>>4065753) which is manifestly untrue.

>> No.4065863

>>4065858
>>4065849
lol i didn't say he was a frankfurter just that he was a cultural marxist who wanted to destroy western civ JUST LIKE the frankfurters did. have you read the guy?

>> No.4065870

>>4065695
>lol why? althusser was a fucking stalinist and cultural marxist.

>> No.4065873

>>4065863
>lol why? althusser was a fucking stalinist and cultural marxist.

You ignorant cuntblast. The base is finally determinate in Althusser. There is no way that you can claim he is a cultural Marxist.

>lol I trol u

No you're just a dumb cunt

>> No.4065875

>>4065870
well why not? stalin wanted to uproot the culture as well. he banned religion in the ussr after all.

>> No.4065877

>>4065875
Meaningless 4chan term

>> No.4065878

>>4065873
>The base is finally determinate in Althusser. There is no way that you can claim he is a cultural Marxist.

lol explain

>> No.4065888

>>4065878
Go read any post-Lenin Stalinism except Lukacs. We aren't a "discuss anything board" and I've provided an adequate summary of Althusser on the non-primacy of culture.

ps: man makes history, but not in the circumstances of his choosing

>> No.4065917

>>4065468
Nooooooooo

>> No.4065931

>>4065917
The best way to discover how fucked structuralism is is to read it.

>> No.4065942

>>4065888
doesn't matter. althusser was still an apologist for GENOCIDES caused by stalin and mao. he is garbage.

>> No.4065951

>>4065942
>[my ignorance doesn't matter]
It certainly fucking does. Your opinion is worth shit because you've already lied in this debate.

>althusser was still an apologist for GENOCIDES caused by stalin and mao.
Genocide has a rigorous definition in International Law. The attempt to extend this to Eastern Europe through the CIA Captive Nations programme failed abysmally.

Secondly, I don't think Althusser conducted an apology for Stalin or Mao's actions in relation to mass deaths. He might have mentioned in in passing, but as you wouldn't know as an inveterate cretin is that the apology is a genre of work.

Better to say Althusser defended Stalin and Mao. Which he did. And this isn't an argument to quality, it is a specious normative argument.

>he is garbage.
Yes, he certainly is. However, your previous lying, your appeal to an unargued moral code, your imprecision theoretically, and your lack of engagement with Althusser's real problems means that you can't substantiate that point in the least.

Thank you for making it harder to actually attack Althusser due to your incoherent opinion spouting. Those are some pretty hot opinions, bro, you convinced nobody.

>> No.4065953

>>4065951
>Genocide has a rigorous definition in International Law

One that Stalin himself successfully lobbied the UN to change. Please.

>> No.4065956

>>4065953
One which the US lobbied to include Stalin.

OH WOW FUCK ME CAPTIVE NATIONS ARE THE CIA.

Seriously cunt, fuck off. Get back to me when you've spent three years reading the theory and practice of excess mortality studies and their application to soviet-style societies.

>> No.4065959

>>4065951
so what? why should we bother reading the words of a psychotic dictator-lover?

>> No.4065961

>>4065956
>It's not genocide because Stalin opposed American imperialism

Oh boy, fuck off you degenerate nutjob.

>> No.4065968

>>4065961
he must be a tankie.

>> No.4065978

>>4065961
>>4065968
Give us a definition of genocide that is consistent, mate.

>> No.4065980

>>4065959
>why should we bother reading [althusser]
Because he exemplifies structuralism far better than levi strauss?

>> No.4066021

>>4065978
>Give us a definition of genocide that is consistent, mate.
Genocide is when bad guys hate freedumbs and kill teh chilluns, of course.

>> No.4066027

>>4066021
Thanks CIA. Thcia.

>> No.4066053

>>4066021
How tawdry. Yawn. Do you think anyone falls for this?

>> No.4066085

>>4066053
It wasn't meant to be sturdy or shiny.

Banal truths are always tawdry.

>> No.4066179

>2013
>marxism in unversity

lel, are you taking an ethnology course to analyse the savage mind of the 60s man?

>> No.4066184

>>4065473
>not having card-carrying Marxists as professors
Anon, I'm beginning to think you're a Murrican.

>> No.4066331 [DELETED] 
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4066331

Let's fuck some kids
they can't say no
molest them now before they grow
threaten them with oral sex
expose yourself to incest

Cause it's
alright to expose yourself to kids
do it now before they grow up and it's too late
find an elementary school
at recess time
pull your pecker in front of them
and masturbate

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>>4066331
We need a reverse interpellation. Who is to say that children cannot choose to be interpellated by adults, and vice-versa? I will sign this petition of yours.

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>>4066341
Little boys, little boys, little boys, little boys, little boys, little boys, little boys, little boys, little boys, teenage boys, little boys, little boys, younger male in his 20's, little boy.. Yes, I will sign this petition of yours.

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>>4066331
What the fuck man that's my song

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>>4066351
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4066362

>>4066356
srry 2 busy getting gay oral sex to care about little girls or Nausea right now y don't u ask my teenage girlfriend Tracy Deneault

>> No.4066371

Forget Althusser! The working class ain't a ting! De-construct the very notion of 'political science'.

>> No.4066378

>>4065473
>>4066184
>reading a marxist makes you a marxist

Yes, definitely he's American.

>> No.4066507

>>4065468
OP this is a good essay. Let me know how it goes.

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>>4066371

>> No.4066625

>>4066557
Who are those?
Derrida and?

>> No.4066634

>walk into class
>teacher assigns Rocker's "Nationalism & Culture" followed by "Anarcho-Syndicalism"
What would you do?

I'd reread them and love it.

>> No.4066671

>>4066625
Deleuze and Guattari.

>> No.4066683

>>4066634
Rocker is the only syndicalist who I can stomach.

>> No.4067260

>>4066683
Most anarchists suck at philosophy though.

>> No.4067337

>>4066331
>not this shit again

You ------> /b/

>> No.4067353

You should read Pecheux, and then eloquently explain why Ideology and the State Apparatuses is good, but a little misguided.

>> No.4067411

>>4067406
>"I have already made my mind up on what I want to believe, please justify these views for me!"

No wonder /pol/ is such a shithole

>> No.4067481

>>4067411
lel, babby knew he was a moran

>> No.4067485 [DELETED] 

>>4067481
Shut up Jew.

>> No.4067503

Why do /pol/-mongrels hate Marxists?

They have the exact same criticism of society's ideology and hegemony, but whereas Marxists blame capitalism in general, /pol/-mongrels blames Jews in particular.

Their arguments are basically the same

>> No.4067515

>>4067503
>implying cultural marxism wont be the end of the west

>> No.4067517

>>4067485
Did you see what he wrote?

>> No.4067519

>>4067515
>implying you aren't using the wrong tense
>implying cultural marxism hasn't already killed the west

The whole world will look just like Africa and India soon, exactly as the liberals want it.

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>>4067519
>you will never be ruled by a lion rather than a fellow rat

>> No.4067527 [DELETED] 

>>4067503
The main part you're missing is that Jews have adopted (or co-opted) Marxist ideas and used them as a basis to undermine American morality and institutions.

It's called the Frankfurt School.

>> No.4067540

>>4067527
>undermine American morality and institutions.
Thank god

>> No.4067547

>>4067260
Thesis 11 mate.

Most social democrats suck at direct action.

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>>4067503
If you change the word 'jew' to 'bourgeoisie/capitalist/rullingclass/elite' in every argument /pol/ makes, the arguments will all be neo-marxist (or the idiosyncratic meaning of 'cultural-marxism' they have made up and seem to abhor)

>the wrist jew

>> No.4067567

>>4066331
>>4066341
>>4066350
>>4066351

To /b/ with all of you!

>> No.4067568

>>4067560
Yeah, that's what I was trying to say

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>>4065824
>>4065703
>>4065707

Libertarian fedoras detected.

>> No.4067580

>>4067560
>the arguments will all be neo-marxist
No, they'll remain specious ad hominems.

>> No.4067641

>>4067260
I like Rocker, Goldman, and Malatesta.

>> No.4067650

>>4067523
>you could be a lion and encourage others to do the same, but you're content to be a rat
How's that statism treating you, bro?

>> No.4067796

>>4067569
PoMofag detected.

>> No.4067884

>>4067527
Is this you , by chance?

http://originsofleftism.wordpress.com/2013/08/15/chapter-1-the-origins-of-the-fall/

BTW, the author of this blog also takes hits at Althusser, Derrida, etc.

>> No.4068266

>>4067560
I'm pretty sure marxists are far more eloquent than your typical /pol/ user.

>> No.4068271

>>4068266
As someone who's been on revleft, I can attest that there are a -lot- of Marxists who are just as stupid as your average /pol/ster.

Also, MaoistRebelNews exists.

>> No.4068303

>4067503
>capitalism in general
>Jews in particular.

It's funny how if you take /pol and sometimes /lit's word for it, Jews are both the heralds of imperialist Westen capitalism and filthy communist who want to destroy Western culture. Those guys really can't catch a break.

>> No.4068320

>>4068303
Are you too stupid to see that they could be behind both?

>> No.4068336

>>4065959
I'm not the guy, but let me give you an example.

There's a guy called Carl Schmitt, he was a jurist of the nazi period of Germany, he was one of the "main stars" of the nazi juridical apparatus, etc, he was a really bad person etc etc

Still, he wrote one of the best critiques of liberal democracy, wrote a lot of great books about politics and constitution, was better than Kelsen, calling him anything but a genius is a disservice to him.

Now, should we disregard all his writing because of his political position?

>> No.4068342

>>4068303
The difference is that anti-capitalists won't stupidly say 'this entire ethnic group is the enemy'. Some capitalists might happen to be Jews, but the important thing is that they're capitalists.

>> No.4068344

>>4068303
Did you see the link at:
>>4067884

?

>> No.4068346

>>4068303
>Jews are both the heralds of imperialist Westen capitalism

That would be an incredibly dumb thing to say considering just how many...guh, it's so stupid I can feel my braincells slipping away just countering the argument.

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>>4067569
this image jesus christ my sides

>> No.4069997

So I just came back from class and it turns out the essay wasn't really that bad. It was actually pretty good.

We talked about how the media and advertising keeps capitalism afloat and how it and the schools and everything else can project an image of yourself that makes you unconsciously keep participating in the capitalist system. 'Twas good.

>> No.4070900

>>4069997
And he's wasting Althusser on you for that.

Shit bitch, your academic is straight out of Frankfurt, another culturalist figure; when asked about Praxis his discourse gets bigger; but Gramsci is a bad mother fucker and you know this; organising counter hegemony he survives (with his hump with his hump). He delineates struggle, the class has so much power but only through struggle knows it, and in manoeuvre they show it—until then class was is positional shit.

Back back to the empirical the praxical set: class struggle in the factory is situated; class struggle is situated at the point of production for Gramsci; class struggle in the factory is situated; class struggle is situated at the point of production for Gramsci. Our class is slippery, ideology catches only a part of we, 'cause our intellectuals have organicity. Althusser ain't shit to me.

>> No.4070907

>>4070900
Work more on your rhythms and transitions. Also stop biting the great gangster rappers of the 80s and 90s.

>> No.4071106

Still the best hope, Why we need American values to succeed
I have to read this for honors intro to polsci. It's pretty bad...

>> No.4071185

>>4070900
Yeah, you suck at writing.

>> No.4071431

>>4065468
OP, I hate to tell you this, but your prof is a fucking stalinist.

>> No.4071466

>>4071431
>this level of anti-intellectualism

>> No.4071467

>>4071185
Next time I lay down misere on Althusser I'll write in normal scholarly prose instead of filking rap.

>> No.4073000

>>4071431
>assuming that's a bad thing.

>> No.4073564

>>4073000
I can count the "good Stalinists" on the fingers of my hands and Althusser isn't one of the good ones

>> No.4073900

>>4073564
>implying there's such a thing as a "good stalinist".