/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.4017048]

>try to speak with stoners about philosophy
>no internal coherence
>no clear conducting thoughts
>they still think they are philosophers
>these are the guys that people are going to think about when thinking about what is philosophy
>tfw everyone wanted to discuss alternate dimensions
>tfw no one wants to discuss heidegger or wittgenstein
>tfw no one knows who they are ;_;

[Anonymous No.4017053]

>not discussing alternate dimensions

pleb

[Anonymous No.4017057]

Whenever I see a post where shit is pointlessly greentexted, I immediately hide it.

[Anonymous No.4017059]

>>4017057

Whenever I see someone saging, I reply to them

[Anonymous No.4017063]

>>4017057
traditionalist scum

[Anonymous No.4017064]

Did you try the Socratic method on them?

[Anonymous No.4017067]

>>4017064
Is that when you like get naked and wrap a towels around yourself and run the shower really hot in the bathroom while smoking jays?

[Anonymous No.4017068]

>>4017064
I always do, they always ignore my questions and give a different answer

[Anonymous No.4017070]

>2013
>engaging in philosophical discussion with the common man

please, what do you expect?

[Anonymous No.4017276]

They are stoned most of their non-working time, which is likely 100%,
and coherent thinking does not go well with THC.
Even normal people are just the product of popular culture and TV.
That's why Eugenics is a good thing.

[Anonymous No.4017322]

>try to speak with stoners

There you go OP I found your problem

[Anonymous No.4017567]

>>4017276
>that's why eugenics is a good thing

QED

[Anonymous No.4017576]

>>4017567

Less stupid people and more clever people with eugenics. Do you dispute this?

[Anonymous No.4017580]

>>4017576
Good, I won't have to see posts on the internet about eugenics, and /pol/ would not exist

[Anonymous No.4017587]

>>4017576
one could create a master race of fedora wearing neckbeards

[Anonymous No.4017585]

>>4017580

I am sure that we are both very enlightented individuals and neither of us are wasting their time on an internet forum discussing pointless shit with other idiots.

[Anonymous No.4017897]

Yeah, there aren't too many people who know about actual philosophy.

[Anonymous No.4017916]

In my experience, the stoners act as if they are greatly enlightened, and others cannot understand their great wisdom. I was once told that you can't claim to know anything about how the universe works unless you've tried LSD. Of course, this assertion was followed by rambling about how "everything fits together" and suchlike.

When I tried to discuss the problems I had with this "enlightenment", I was just told to go away until I'd experienced it for myself.

[Anonymous No.4017942]

>>4017576
The pain you create in the world today won't be justified by the better world you create tomorrow.

[CalleBorjesson !4qjq0nOdXk No.4017947]

Weed gave me the mental clarity to see through Christianity's false dichotomy and realize it is just a book of lies stupid people use to feel better about themselves.

If everyone smoked weed everyone would be smart enough to be Athiests. That's why it'll never be legalized.

[Anonymous No.4017954]

>>4017947
Troll

[Anonymous No.4017958]

>>4017947
troll/420

[Anonymous No.4017962]

>>4017916
You can't explain the psychedelic experience.
That's what Ken Kesey said too.
Do it and you will understand.

[Anonymous No.4017971]

>>4017954
you're the troll, if you can't stand the heat get out of the sauna you fugging drole, christianity sucks farts from my powerful anus, go run to the bosom of god and shamefully cry you bitchboi

[Anonymous No.4017974]

>>4017971
Go pacify yourself on weed you mindless common filth.

[CalleBorjesson !4qjq0nOdXk No.4017977]

>>4017954
>>4017958
>WAAAH, I CAN'T DEBATE WORTH SHIT BETTER CALL HIM A TROLL! I WIN THE ARGUMENT NOW!

[Anonymous No.4018013]

>>4017977
is that a sonic poster?

[Anonymous No.4018019]

>>4017977
>expecting to take you seriously
i'm out

[Anonymous No.4018050]

>>4017974
wakiki!

you holy people get so furious whenever your precious little fantasies are questioned, but no fucks are given on this side since one day you'll see the world for the uncaring battlefield that it is

choke on a bible you mental phlegmatic

[Tallis !!DxrlCMGAS2J No.4018055]

>>4017947
The fact that so many books still name the Beatles "the greatest or most significant or most influential" rock band ever only tells you how far rock music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Rock critics are still blinded by commercial success: the Beatles sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Rock critics are often totally ignorant of the rock music of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that the Beatles did anything worth of being saved.

Contemporary musicians never spoke highly of the Beatles, and for a good reason. They could not figure out why the Beatles' songs should be regarded more highly than their own. They knew that the Beatles were simply lucky to become a folk phenomenon (thanks to "Beatlemania", which had nothing to do with their musical merits). THat phenomenon kept alive interest in their (mediocre) musical endeavours to this day. Nothing else grants the Beatles more attention than, say, the Kinks or the Rolling Stones. There was nothing intrinsically better in the Beatles' music. Ray Davies of the Kinks was certainly a far better songwriter than Lennon & McCartney. The Stones were certainly much more skilled musicians than the 'Fab Fours'. And Pete Townshend was a far more accomplished composer, capable of "Tommy" and "Quadrophenia". Not to mention later and far greater British musicians. Not to mention the American musicians who created what the Beatles later sold to the masses.

The Beatles sold a lot of records not because they were the greatest musicians but simply because their music was easy to sell to the masses: it had no difficult content, it had no technical innovations, it had no creative depth. They wrote a bunch of catchy 3-minute ditties and they were photogenic. If somebody had not invented "beatlemania" in 1963, you would not have wasted five minutes of your time to read a page about such a trivial band.

[Anonymous No.4018093]

>>4017947
> billy talent

[Anonymous No.4018104]

>>4018055
Do you have enough understanding for such statement?
Yes, they were extremely popular and best-selling and it often was because of catchy rhytm but they definitely deserved the fame, if not as much, still a lot of it.
The songs definitely have instrumental innovations and creative depth.
Many songs have extremely smart lyrics.
Though much of the contributions to their popularity were the times. Their music gave fuel for the counterculture, same as Jefferson Airplane, Hendrix and many more.
Rolling Stones were good too and they were popular as well. Less but still very popular.
Word ,,Beatles" today mean a standard to many. There are these kids who are always screaming "BEATLES BEATLES, SORRY FOR MY GENERATION, BEATLES BEATLES REAL MUSIC" and many of them have no idea what they're talking about and why they actually praise them. These are the traces of the band's prime.
But actually Rubber Soul, Revolver and Sgt. Peppers are one of the best LPs of all time in many aspects.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-Q9D4dcYng

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9Itt02QOO0

[Anonymous No.4018180]

>>4018104
...
Well, I see you haven't been on /mu/ in the past year and a half.
And OP, the problem is that the people you are discussing things with are stoners. I don't have a problem with weed in general, but stoners are a different story.

[Tallis !!DxrlCMGAS2J No.4018188]

>>4018104

[Anonymous No.4018191]

>>4017276

You're a product of 4chan. Don't pretend you're any better.

[Anonymous No.4018196]

>>4017942

The greatness brought by the United States could never have happened if we didn't genocide the Indians.

[Anonymous No.4018205]

anytime i go to a party i hear at least one conversation about quantum consciousness or some shit. the worst part is that you can tell the people they're talking to think it's rubbish but pretend to act amazed at the idea. people really need to stop being so sensitive.

[Anonymous No.4018219]

>>4018196
>The greatness brought by the United States
>greatness

...

>greatness

[Anonymous No.4018243]

actually they're smarter than u because they smoke weed and get laid? and u post about wittgenstein on 4chan? and probably don't have sex? but they do? did I blow ur mind?

[Anonymous No.4018256]

>>4018055
>it had no technical innovations

Listen to "Tomorrow Never Knows." They recorded a guitar solo, then re-recorded it played backwards. If that's not technically innovative, pray tell what is? Also the lyrics of Eleanor Rigby are amazing. Plus, rather than writing albums as collections of single songs, they wrote whole albums (i.e. Abbey Road and The White Album).

While you have a point about commercial success, I think you're overreacting to the Beatles.

[Anonymous No.4018262]

>>4018243
Wittgenstein is boring and overrated.

[Tallis !!DxrlCMGAS2J No.4018268]

>>4018243
>mfw I do all of this except not having sex and smoking weed, while disregarding the constabulary

[Anonymous No.4018280]

>>4018268
there were like three things on that list. why didn't you just post "i post about wittgenstein on 4chan"

[Screwtape !!tdBUE9PLvpz No.4018287]

>>4018243
but stoner douchebags love wittgenstein

[Anonymous No.4018290]

>>4018268
This isn't your blog, tripfaggot.

[Anonymous No.4018296]

>>4018280
>do all of this except not
That should mean that he does do it with a double negative

[Tallis !!DxrlCMGAS2J No.4018303]

>>4018290
I know, I was proving wrong the faggot who affirmed that discussing Wittgenstein on /lit/ and getting laid was mutually exclusive.

[Anonymous No.4018360]

>>4018287
ugh that fat little gut why doesnt he exercise
and that hideous bandanna, was he balding?

[Anonymous No.4018649]

>>4018360

pretty sure he lifted a bit

and the bandana was cause he sweatteded a bunch

[Anonymous No.4018664]

>>4017947
>Socratic
I saw through much of the Church's bullshit myself by using the Socratic Dialogue without the aid of a drug. 90% of weed smokers have never even heard of Plato, 100% of Feminists have never even heard of Logical fallacies

[Anonymous No.4018666]

>>4018055
Been looking for this copy pasta, needed to use it a couple times on /mu/

[Anonymous No.4019905]

>>4017962
But does it mean that the psychedelic experience is some kind of an ultimate enlighment?

[Anonymous No.4019919]

>>4018256
>trying to argue with Scaruffi pasta
lel

[Anonymous No.4019922]

>>4018664
Plato would have beat the shit out of you.

[Anonymous No.4019953]

>>4019922
he'd be pretty disappointed in all of us

[Anonymous No.4019963]

Intelligent people that smoke weed don't consider themselves enlightened. I'm getting the impression that some people in this thread have never smoked, thus assuming its something that it isn't. Admittedly, you're going to have the mindless morons who, when they smoke, spew out nonsense about how the world works. I have never ever had a conversation like that amongst friends. We all recognize we are under the influence and don't try to make any intelligent claims.

That being said, I'm not defending weed. It's not great for your mental health. It isn't, however, something that immediately makes you understand the works or give you that impression.

[Anonymous No.4019968]

>mfw my friend tells me he's into "Hindu Philosophy" because he read the Bhagavad Gita and listens to George Harrison