/GRRM/ general - Winds of Winter Edition

[Anonymous No.23214633]

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[Anonymous No.23214646]

George has finished Winds of Winter and he's recently had meetings with publishers about it. It will be out before the end of the year, mark my words.

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>>23214646
100% real

[Anonymous No.23214664]

>>23214621
People across the world have spent the last 28 years reading these books over and over again and we're still finding new things. That's what makes these books so fun, and hands down the greatest fantasy series ever written. I wouldn't worry about missing things, just enjoy the story and get lost in the world.

[Anonymous No.23214683]

post craziest theories

[Anonymous No.23214697]

>>23214490
No, it's because the families who become the leaders have the tradition of taking the name of the original family in charge. See Joffrey Lydden, who married the daughter of King Gerold III Lannister. When Gerold died, Joffrey took the name Lannister and ruled as King Joffrey Lannister. So all of his kids were Lannisters, even though technically they would be considered Lyddens if we were going by ASOIAF lineage rules.
Similar thing happened with Prince Phillip, was technically part of House Mountbatten but his kids are all Windsors. I would bet that all of the Great Houses had similar things happen to them, where others marry into them and take their names because of the prestige. Story of Bael the Bard with House Stark. I mean, look at the Capetians. Technically the Bourbons were nothing more than a cadet branch of the House of Capet, which means that the Capets ruled France from 987 to 1792. The Emperor of Japan can trace his house's lineage all the way back to 660 BC if you take their word, 539 AD looking at it historically.

[Anonymous No.23214706]

>>23214697
Adding to this, we even see an example in House of the Dragon when Viserys is negotiating Rhaenyra's marriage with the Velaryons. Since Rhaenyra is heir to the Iron Throne, her children with Laenor will be in the line of succession. But due to the agreement with Viserys, whoever ascends the Iron Throne won't have the name Velaryon, but Targaryen. So if Rhaenyra ended up on the Iron Throne and then her son Jace went on after her, he wouldn't be King Jacaerys Velaryon but King Jacaerys Targaryen.

[Anonymous No.23214710]

>>23214646
If this was true, they would announce it.

Building hype is important.

[Anonymous No.23214715]

>>23214646
I believe it. Because we got brand new covers for ASOIAF in Poland.
That would be normal but... It's first new cover in 21years.

[Anonymous No.23214717]

>>23214646
I believe
>>23214683
Coldhands is one of the Lasts Heros 12 companions and is an undead greenseer. hence why he can warg despite being a wight

[Anonymous No.23214815]

>>23214717
Coldhands is benjen just like in the show, accept it already and you will lead a more peaceful life

[Anonymous No.23214819]

>>23214717
>>23214815
"In an original manuscript, Martin declared that Coldhands was not Benjen Stark."

[Anonymous No.23214831]

>>23214819
Martin declares a lot of things
https://youtu.be/tZojPeRjAeI?t=2

[Anonymous No.23214842]

Why are normalfags triggered so much by these two?

[Anonymous No.23214846]

>>23214842
Because they are irresponsible twats too stupid to understand that actions have consequences

[Anonymous No.23214859]

This year. I can feel it.

[Anonymous No.23214867]

i can fix her

[Anonymous No.23214883]

God I wanna kiss and caress Cersei

[Anonymous No.23214893]

>>23214883
Anon, do NOT put your dick inside the BPD insane psycho girl

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>>23214646
At last......

[Anonymous No.23214984]

you now remember tormund has a cock ring

[Anonymous No.23215080]

>>23214859
You are right, /hotd/ is this year

I will see you on /tv/

[Anonymous No.23215095]

>>23214633
Young Griff/Aegon VI is true Targaryen and he will be on the throne. Jon and Danyfags from house of Pledditor can cry about it
>B-B-B MUH GOLDEN COOOOOMPANYYY'
they literally said one of their plans was going with Viserys after he get help from pedo drogo

[Anonymous No.23215108]

>>23214633
Is there any inworld explanation of why the iron islanders and the Greyjoy's specifically are such fucking morons? They aren't barbarians like the dothraki, but basically every example of them inworld where they have two choices they always seem to choose the obviously retarded one. Does drowning them make them retarded?

[Anonymous No.23215134]

I wish he die witouth finishing his garbage book.

[Anonymous No.23215140]

>>23214633
>>23214646
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>>23214859
>>23215080
it will never be out because he is FAT. His FAT FATness keeps him from functioning towards anything productive. He's old, FAT, already successful, what drive does he have? "Will the Turkish pornstar takr my FAT cock?" Not that kind of fat George.
He will die of FAT and no book will ever come out. Brando Sando might finish it for you to seethe and cope like "well, I guess he's FAT enough, maybe ados will be better"
give
up
hope

[Anonymous No.23215154]

Make your own house sigil lads: https://azgaar.github.io/Armoria/

[Anonymous No.23215195]

>>23214867
she's perfect as is, anon
>>23215108
Always assumed that the goal of their society was to reave not to rule. They aren't necessarily concerned about land, just riches. They're content with living on their island and not changing.

[Anonymous No.23215197]

>>23214859
Damn just look at that dress. We will NEVER see stuff like this on tv ever again.

[Anonymous No.23215222]

>>23215154

[Anonymous No.23215235]

>>23215095
Jon's story has jack shit to do with the iron throne. I wouldn't be surprised if he never stepped one foot below The Neck.

[Anonymous No.23215264]

>>23214842
>why don't people like the two retards that laid the foundation for the destruction of their houses
Gee that is a good question

[Anonymous No.23215334]

>>23214842
Come on anon. Rhaegar was in his mid 20s, married, with two children, when he ran away and cheated on his wife with a 14 or 15 year old girl who was already engaged to another man. You can't figure out why people wouldn't think their relationship is romantic?

[Anonymous No.23215342]

>>23215235
Yet fags still seethe about Aegon VI how he is faggotfyre, not targ

[Anonymous No.23215357]

>>23214633
stop wearing that stupid hat you stupid fat fuckhead

[Anonymous No.23215378]

>>23215334
I think it'd be funny if instead
>They were actually in love!
The relationship was a lot more one sided than thought and Lyanna started having second thoughts before the tower of joy

[Anonymous No.23215420]

>>23214646
Thank you Coldhands (Benjen), very cool!

[Anonymous No.23215443]

>>23215342
who is the mummers dragon then in your opinion?

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>>23214715
ngl, that's a dope-ass cover (and book-accurate for the Iron Throne)!

[Anonymous No.23215485]

>>23215479
>and book-accurate for the Iron Throne
Yeah one of the things I dislike about early GOT. The show Iron Throne doesn't match the book version at all.

[Anonymous No.23215511]

>>23214633
fat pink masts jutting into myrish swamps until her cunt became the world while nuncle broke his fast on black bread, bacon burned black, and mulled wine while around him the planks of the ship groaned like a fat man taking a shit and in the privy the princess cursed as she shat but the more arbor gold she drank the more she shat until she was shitting brown water and nuncle smirked and bit into a lemoncake while grease dripped down his chin onto the nipples of his breastplate and the boiled leather of his jerkin for did she not know words are wind and winter is coming and a lannister always pays her debts and you know nothing jon snow and dark wings bring dark tidings and oh my sweet summer child this is nothing but a mummers farce but where do whores go?

[Anonymous No.23215553]

How many pages we talking here? I'm hoping at least 1300

[Anonymous No.23215580]

>>23215553
1500 pages of Dany never setting foot in Westeros

[Anonymous No.23215609]

>>23215154

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[Anonymous No.23215656]

>>23215580
>ends with Danny haggling about buying ships to Westeros

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>>23215655
>"Current mood? Cheerful"
good, we all need the fat fuck to be happy so he fucking PRACTICES HIS CRAFT

[Anonymous No.23216209]

>>23215443
It can be Varys since he was mummer, or it can means that Aegon VI is just targaryen under Varys control. For all we know the fat man can made Aegon descendant of Aerion Brightflame bastard and Blackfyres if he want, Im not even sure if in-universe we get answer to this question or if Dany just dont be happy that her beloved nephew is alive.

[Anonymous No.23216356]

>>2321620
>Dany just dont be happy that her beloved nephew is alive.
I think this is it. She simply won't want to share power with anyone, after what's she's been through. And Aegon is going to be wildly popular among the lords and smallfolk alike, so she'll see him as a threat and go apeshit.

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>>23216356
*meant to reply to 23216209

[Anonymous No.23216414]

>>23214633
This whole debacle with George continuing delaying the release of Winds reminds me of the 15 year wait for Duke Nukem Forever, which was finally released horribly dated and dogshit in quality because they found out the development team was taking money from their publisher Take 2 and using the funds to instead order pizzas and other takeout everyday instead of working or minimally working on Nukem.

I bet George is getting three fat buckets of KFC everyday and devouring it in emotional distress that he has no idea how to finish the books and is instead praying he has a coronary which will prevent him from ever having to release the books. That, or he just really loves the food. Just look at him.

[Anonymous No.23216445]

>>23216356
We shall see (if fat men decide end writing). For all we know, Jon from tv show could get from cutted Young Griff character not only name but love-plot with Dany. Well, she can also start chimping-out, when she will land in the Westeros when winds plot is almost finished and Aegon VI is well established monarch with wife. In both cases, get rekt danyfags.

[Anonymous No.23216571]

>>23214683
you got everyone looks wrong, retard
some are archetypes, so i guess they don t count
but catelyn, sansa, joffrey and cersei should have other hair color and shireen should have greyscale
maybe eddard as well

[Anonymous No.23216602]

>>23214633
If I had nickel for every time a bearded fat fantasy author delayed the release of a long awaited book for more than 10 years I would have 2 nickels, which isn't a lot but it's weird that is happening right now at the same time

[Anonymous No.23216618]

>>23216356
>And Aegon is going to be wildly popular among the lords and smallfolk alike, so she'll see him as a threat and go apeshit.
Yep, and book Dany is a complete foreigner and has had almost no contact with Westerosi culture. She will have a weird accent, and follow weird customs due to her time living with the Dothraki and ruling Meereen.

[Anonymous No.23216647]

>>23214683
>Renly
>Chad
Absolute coal and author is a faggot

[Anonymous No.23216658]

>>23214633
I honestly just wish someone would leak information about the progress here. It would be nice to know what actually happened.

[Anonymous No.23216661]

>>23216647
isn't that the gay twink wojak for Renly?
Which is accurate.

[Anonymous No.23216673]

>>23215655
When's the last time this fat fuck has given a proper update on TWOW in his blog?

[Anonymous No.23216701]

>>23216647
That's a twinkchad retard
Not the same

[Anonymous No.23216817]

>>23216658
>Someone
All of Martin's friends are like 70 years old boomers, why the fuck would you think they would leak here of all places

[Anonymous No.23216823]

>>23214633
The fan theories in combination with the book lore is what make it good. Keep it unfinished and the fan theories alive

[Anonymous No.23216856]

ASOIAF confession time

I'll start:
I fapped to her cunt became the world scene

[Anonymous No.23217027]

>>23216658
We already know what happened.
>fat man lies for 9 years after the release of dance claiming he wrote a quarter of winds despite all the chapters being carried over from the previous book
>writes a decent amount during the pandemic
>hasn't written anything since
If you have any more questions let me know.

[Anonymous No.23217044]

>>23217027
>He thinks the fat fuck actually wrote during the pandemic.
If he had we'd have the book by now

[Anonymous No.23217105]

>>23217044
He wrote some but definitely not enough to finish the book considering he wrote literally nothing for 9 years.

[Anonymous No.23217486]

>>23215609
It's beautiful, carried me through DS1

[Anonymous No.23217533]

So when did you first start getting concerned about the story getting off-track? I started to get a bit impatient in the later half of a Clash of Kings because it seemed there was a purposeful, conscious effort to drag central plot elements out. When was that point reached with you guys?

[Anonymous No.23217553]

>>23217533
Fat pink masts scene.

[Anonymous No.23217565]

>>23217533
When Dany decided to stay in Meereen

[Anonymous No.23217567]

>>23215108
Quellon Greyjoy tried to radically change their society too quickly, which caused a cultural backlash and rift between those who favor the old way and those that favor the new. It's also worth mentioning how fighting in the War of the Ninepenny Kings affected Balon and Euron, before they fought in that war returning to the old way was nothing but a flight of fancy to the brothers, but once they got a taste, they couldn't accept their father's modernization scheme.

[Anonymous No.23217572]

>>23217533
When Dany decided to stay in Meereen and " learn to rule". It was very clear that a shitty filler arc was coming.

[Anonymous No.23217578]

>>23217572
I remember thinking, some time during Meereen, "why are we still here let’s fucking GO already"

[Anonymous No.23217589]

Ghost isn't surviving TWOW, is he?

[Anonymous No.23217600]

>>23215378
Considering Lyanna was described as being so good with a horse that she was almost a centaur, I don't think she could have had any doubts before being pregnant for half a year. She could have easily gotten away.

[Anonymous No.23217627]

>>23217600
I almost like to think Lyanna was the one to manipulate Rhaegar into taking her.

[Anonymous No.23217639]

>>23216856
we were all teenagers once anon

[Anonymous No.23217773]

>>23217627
lol no

[Anonymous No.23217780]

>>23217773
If you look into your heart, you know it to be true

[Anonymous No.23217833]

>>23217780
Nah it was Rhaegar's idea. He was obsessed about the prophecy. He's the one that approached her first at the tournament. Not only is Lyanna a kid during all of this, he's the damned prince of the seven kingdoms, so she really had no say in the decision to leave with him, as he could just command her to come or get anyone of his retinue to just take her along kicking and screaming, it's why a few characters say that she was kidnapped. We know she didn't want to marry Robert, and that she was quite willful, but that's certainly not enough to convince an adult, married man, with children of his own, who is about to be king, to run off with her. At best if Rhaegar really had the hots for this kid, he could have just did the "normal thing" that rich, powerful, royal, perverts do and fucked her before she got married and moved on with his life, but no he kidnapped her, abandoned his family, abandoned his duties, caused the death of her brother and father, and started a civil war. He knew that there was no good outcome of this but was concerned at. There are still a lot of holes in the story surrounding exactly what was said between them when they first met, and what they did after they left. Rhaegar probably knew she was the mystery knight at the tournament, and we don't know if it was planned that he'd meet her at Riverrun or if it was by chance, regardless the onus is on him to not run away with little girls.

[Anonymous No.23217837]

>>23217780
Nah it was Rhaegar's idea. He was obsessed about the prophecy. He's the one that approached her first at the tournament. Not only is Lyanna a kid during all of this, he's the damned prince of the seven kingdoms, so she really had no say in the decision to leave with him, as he could just command her to come or get anyone of his retinue to just take her along kicking and screaming, it's why a few characters say that she was kidnapped. We know she didn't want to marry Robert, and that she was quite willful, but that's certainly not enough to convince an adult, married man, with children of his own, who is about to be king, to run off with her. At best if Rhaegar really had the hots for this kid, he could have just did the "normal thing" that rich, powerful, royal, perverts do, in both real life and in asoiaf, and fucked her before she got married and moved on with his life, but no he kidnapped her, abandoned his family, abandoned his duties, caused the death of her brother and father, and started a civil war. He knew that there was no good outcome of this. There are still a lot of holes in the story surrounding exactly what was said between them when they first met, and what they did after they left. Rhaegar probably knew she was the mystery knight at the tournament, and we don't know if it was planned that he'd meet her at Riverrun or if it was by chance, regardless the onus or responsibility is on him.

[Anonymous No.23217851]

>>23217837
>cont.
To wit, we don't know what they said or did while they were together, but I'm sure Rhaegar used all his princely charm to spin a lovely romantic tale about the prophecy of the song of ice and fire and how he needs to put a baby in her for it to come true. Lyanna never stood a chance once he laid eyes on her.

[Anonymous No.23217875]

When I see Gurm walking around in videos and talking in interviews he seems like a jolly fat nerd. Almost like Santa Claus. Kind of amusing in a way. I really don't understand the hate he gets. His blogposts make him seem like a nice guy too so it hurts my heart to know Gurm is a sensitive fellow subject to all this pressure and hatred.

[Anonymous No.23217921]

>>23217875
>I really don't understand the hate he gets.
You don't? I'd say it's pretty fucking obvious why he gets hate

[Anonymous No.23217964]

>>23217921
Not that anon. People are really entitled, George has no real obligation to ever finish. You could argue that he's got a contractual agreement with his publishers, and maybe some vague social contract with readers of the series. But there's nothing stopping him from deleting everything from his 30 year old pc, and spending the last tiny bit of his life going to the beach, watching movies, reading, and playing around with his train company. None of us can do anything about it except accept it and move on with our lives. Randos being upset hardly affects him, he's going to die rich, happy, fat, and comfortable.

[Anonymous No.23218092]

>>23217572
I'll recommend you read this if you think dany's arc in mereen is so "she can learn to rule"

https://meereeneseblot.wordpress.com/2013/09/27/untangling-the-meereenese-knot-part-i-who-poisoned-the-locusts/

this is the only fan analysis or theory that has ever been approved by that fat man himself

the TLDR of it is that meereen exists so dany can adapt the only solution is the final solution mindset

[Anonymous No.23218096]

>>23217964
When you sell the first title of a series, you sell it with the implied expectation of a future finale
It's a mutual agreement with the reader that works as a marketing ploy to sell the first part of the story.
Nobody buys a series that will never be finished.

So not finishing out of lazyness is bordering deceit, and he HAS moral obligation to finish the series people paid millions worldwide to see finished.
>Randos being upset hardly affects him, he's going to die rich, happy, fat, and comfortable.
Then stop crying about the hate towards him and let people express their legitimate hate towards him

[Anonymous No.23218111]

is the dunk and egg shit actually good?
i've read asoiaf multiple times and love the early got seasons, but i hated all the other supplementary stuff i got my hands on and thought hotd is retarded garbage
i'm not sure whether to try dunk and egg or just reread asoiaf

[Anonymous No.23218115]

>>23218111
it's considered better than the main series by quite a few people

[Anonymous No.23218118]

>>23218111
Neither, you need to be read the exciting new release of Wildcards!

[Anonymous No.23218146]

>>23218096
That's the social contract I was referring to. And GRRM is obviously not lazy, you'd know that if you yourself weren't a lazy piece of shit and actually read or followed his other works outside of the main seven books of asoiaf, he gets plenty of work done, he's just working on things he wants to work on and not the things people keep crying about.
>Then stop crying about the hate towards him and let people express their legitimate hate towards him
The hate is not at all legitimate, he writes books, games, and tv shows for a living. We're tired of seeing you post the same complaints over and over again. Nothing George does has any true impact on humanity, go vote in the next election and get a life nigga.

[Anonymous No.23218154]

>>23218146
>you'd know that if you yourself weren't a lazy piece of shit and actually read or followed his other works outside of the main seven books of asoiaf
Unlike him, I never promised I would do such a thing, hence why I am not socially obliged to do it
He promised a winds release several times now, I don't give a fuck if he wants to do other things, he's a liar and a faggot.

[Anonymous No.23218166]

>>23218146
this is the most reddit post i've seen in months
>And GRRM is obviously not lazy
yes he is nigger
>he gets plenty of work done
he is a professional writer that can pump out 1k words in 20 minutes or less
most of what he does for asoiaf is prepwork, which he's clearly too lazy to do, which is why he prefers doing shit like wildcards or god knows what else rather than working on his unfinished series
at most you could call it chronic procrastination, but that's exactly what it is
and the thing about procrastination is that it's by no means
>lol he was supposed to work but he's gooning to teen titans comics
no, a lot of people convincingly find all sorts of reasons to procrastinate, and some might even fake doing things that are equally important or more important
but it is, without a doubt, procrastination, no different than randomly deciding you need to call your dad, giving your dog a bath, or reading up on assyrian nomenclature
so fuck you nigger, and fuck the other coping lazy pieces of shit defending this fat lazy faggot

[Anonymous No.23218210]

>>23218166
nta
But how is he lazy if he is still working as a writer, producer, executive, producer etc for lots of different projects. He's just not doing the book series you want him to do. He's still working on the ASOIAF world seen in the world book and new information we got from HoTD and theres also Dunk and Egg show coming out. He's still writing masterpieces in Elden Ring and other projects. I think WoW will come out this year but George has NO moral obligation, or any obligation to do anything. He wrote a book, people bought it and thats the end of it, he can stop writing whenever he wants just as people can stop buying his books if they want to. Its pretty retarded to say he has a moral obligation to do anything realted to HIS work. I'm grateful for the characters and stories hes made and you should be to

[Anonymous No.23218224]

>>23218210
>how is he lazy if he is still working as a writer, producer, executive, producer etc
it was answered in the previous post, low-iq kun
because all those other things he can just do on the fly without having to sit down and look through dozens upon dozens of documents for a long-ass time JUST to establish where he is and what he should write
>but George has NO moral obligation, or any obligation to do anything
nobody has obligation to do anything by that token, nigger, is that the nihilistic route you want to go down? sure, nothing matters, there's no such thing as morality, nothing needs to be done, wow, you sure showed me with this powerful argument
>I'm grateful for the characters
i'd be grateful if you improved your reading comprehension and went back to school because you write like a retard
also
>He's still writing masterpieces in Elden Ring and other projects.
simply lmao

[Anonymous No.23218253]

>>23218210
>masterpieces in Elden Ring
Zanzibart....

[Anonymous No.23218257]

>>23218210
This is exactly right.
These people who spend their time raging have noting going on in their lives. No talents, no kills, no relationships, no goals, no identity, nothing to drive their lives forward. Entertainment is all they have, so this is what they focus their attention on.

[Anonymous No.23218260]

>>23218257
>no kills
no skills lmao

[Anonymous No.23218264]

>>23218257
>you asks grrm to finish the books? This must mean your life is terrible and you suck!
What inane faggotry is this?
I can have a hobby I care for and discuss on the internet even while having other things to care for.

[Anonymous No.23218265]

why is there no good fanart about the others, is it really that hard to draw them?

[Anonymous No.23218280]

>>23218264
This isn't a hobby for you if you spend any amount of time being angry about it, instead of celebrating it. It took me some years to learn this lesson too. I'm here to tell you to move on it's nothing but a waste of your life. If the last two books aren't release there's nothing anyone can do about it. You going to throw yourself off a bridge over some fantasy novels?

[Anonymous No.23218324]

>>23217486
First thing that came to my mind too heh. Too indistinct as a house banner though.

[Anonymous No.23218327]

>>23218280
>You going to throw yourself off a bridge
No? You are greatly strawmanning because it's all you have up your sleeve
Just because I call george a fat lazy faggot doesn't mean that he is my first priority when I wake up nor that I am frothing at the mouth any team I speak his name.

[Anonymous No.23218335]

>>23218257
>>23218280
this is LITERALLY a thread dedicated to GRRM, you imbecilic fucking nigger, nobody is randomly saying these things in unrelated places
if you don't care that he doesn't even care enough to finish his own series, that's fine, but anyone who is normal is going to look down upon that type of disgustingly lazy behavior, he's a complete joke among normies
also, it'd be one thing if he were secretly writing the greatest shit ever, but the longer he takes to write, the worse his output, as evidenced by dance and his endless defenders back then too
>NOOO MARTIN IS TAKING FOREVER BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A MASTERPIECE
>what you get is dance
lol
lmao
>If the last two books aren't release there's nothing anyone can do about it.
yeah nobody here thinks they're going to be released, faggot
in fact i'm pretty sure most of us have stopped caring at this point even if they got released, it's just insane how much niggers like you cope about the fatman
you're the /lit/ equivalent of those faggots justifying how companies wanna sell you a skin for $30

[Anonymous No.23218339]

>>23218224
>Being a writer, producer, and a executive producer are things done on the fly
And I'm the low-iq one?
>nobody has obligation to do anything by that token, nigger, is that the nihilistic route you want to go down? sure, nothing matters, there's no such thing as morality, nothing needs to be done, wow, you sure showed me with this powerful argument
Amazing how being told no has you made you seethe so much. Yeah anon there is no such thing as morality its subjective and varies person to person. George isn't a bad person for not finishing a book series, and god (if you beleive in him/it/them) isn't going to punish him for it after he dies. If he was morally obligated to write a book then everyone would also by morally obligated to read it and agree with his message (feudalism, elitism and god bothering- bad, sex, food and freedom - good)

Are you not grateful for the wonderful character George has made? Do you now have a few favourite minor characters you hope will somehow get through unscathed? Do you not love the main characters and hw varied they are and different in mindset?

Elden Ring is a masterpiece of a video game and its story is on par with DS and bloodborne as being utter masterpieces and modern classics of story telling nigger. Elden ring is if ASOIAF was high fantasy, if you understand the lore of elden ring you can clearly see the almost 1 to 1 connection to ASOIAF

[Anonymous No.23218360]

>>23218339
>And I'm the low-iq one?
yes, you very much are
what do you think GRRM enjoys more, going out to dinner like the fat fuck he is and talking to people who blow smoke up his ass or sitting by himself at his PC and doing the hard work of reading through his own writing and then sorting out what needs to be done in winds? you fucking retard
>George isn't a bad person for not finishing a book series
i don't care about your opinion, to most people (myself included) making a commitment you're incapable and unwilling to keep makes you a piece of shit
that isn't even an emotional judgment, it's a pretty objective one, living up to your own words is a pretty low bar in terms of human interaction
>Are you not grateful for the wonderful character George has made?
no i'm not i stopped caring about asoiaf when got turned to shit, i just find it laughable that he *still* hasn't managed to finish winds after over a decade
>Elden Ring is a masterpiece of a video game
i think you need to pass the age of 15 before you write posts on 4chan
> if you understand the lore of elden ring
and who could understand it, it's so deep and multi-layered, truly the work of a master storyteller with a genius grasp of the humanities kek

[Anonymous No.23218417]

>>23218360
anon writing and being a producer/ executive producer is more than just going to dinner with people.
You're mistaken, authors don't have any commintments when making a book beyond what their publishers paid them for.
GRRM general is for the celebration of his works and his gift to western literature that he has vastly enriched via his fantasy and sci-fi stories.
Anon I think you should read his older sci-fi stuff they're great, SandKings is a solid classic to start with

[Anonymous No.23218522]

>”oh my god some random China man on the other side of the world caused the long night!!!11”
>”oh my R’hllor…Euron is the bloodstone emperor reborn!”

Why does this book attract and filter so many retards like David lightbringer?

They wouldn’t recognize the actual lore if it bit them in the ass

[Anonymous No.23218530]

Wait, are people still seething over Gurm’s involvement in Elden Ring?

A lot of elements from his books can be seen, implying Miyazaki read them.

[Anonymous No.23218568]

>>23218530
Nobody is seething about his involvement, but Elden Ring is hardly a writing and storytelling masterpiece and its laughable when fromsoftfags pretend it is.

[Anonymous No.23218590]

>>23217964
>George has no real obligation to ever finish.
I (we) have no obligation to be nice.
>Randos being upset hardly affects him
Blogposts say otherwise.

[Anonymous No.23218654]

>>23218530
>>23218568
I sure love how every NPC's name starts with G, R, or M.

[Anonymous No.23218853]

>>23217875
I'll be his biggest fan again when he FINISHES THE DAMN BOOK.

[Anonymous No.23219525]

>>23218111
Dunk and Egg > ASOIAF >>>>> Fire and Blood

[Anonymous No.23220234]

>>23215095
he'll definitely take the throne in TWOW but i don't think he'll keep it. that's more than dany's retarded ass will ever get, thoughever.
king jon seems too cliche for gurm, i don't think he'll do it. but i do hope he has a different ending from the show. just fucking off beyond the wall never to be seen again, fitting i guess but i hated it.

[Anonymous No.23220259]

>>23218111
D+E is full of SOVL, possibly the only auxiliary ASOIAF material worth it
if GRRM wasn't a honeyed ham away from the grave or actually released books in a timely fashion, i would love to get more of them in between books. some of the ideas he threw out there for potential stories would be great. but there is just not enough time.

[Anonymous No.23220307]

>>23214633
Bakker mogs the Fatman.

[Anonymous No.23220359]

>>23220307
I never knew they appeared at a conference together. Do you have the link??

[Anonymous No.23220379]

I just noticed that all of the plot revelations were already teased in book 1. I mean, Jon being named for Jon Arryn, Ned's foster father (unrelated) uncle, after Ned's father and the true heir, his brother, were killed by the King... putting Ned and Jon Arryn in rival relation to the establishment they overthrew...
Jon's parentage was already teased here. At least the fact that he isn't Ned's son and that Ned is actually his uncle which would make Rhaegar his father and Aegon his brother killed in the name of Robert.
I like to believe that Jon is Aemon Targaryen and actually a true born son of Rhaegar and Lyanna, the show version. Making him a bastard wouldn't do anything for his story. Jon's whole story is about him being the opposite of everything he was told and believes he is. The foremost being that he is a bastard. It would make no sense to keep him as a bastard.

[Anonymous No.23220430]

>>23220379

If Jon actually comes back in Winds how do you think it will go down between him, Aegon, and Daenerys once he learns the truth of who he is? I think a reverse Aegon and hi sisterwives scenario could happen where she takes them both as lovers if she's desperate enough to kickstart House Targaryen by producing more heirs. I also think Jon's bookname is Aemon, just makes that scene where he meets Aemon more poetic and a little ironic plus the whole scene where he screamed he was the dragon knight when he was younger.

[Anonymous No.23220571]

I can't believe the Poles ripped off an 11 year old Iron Throne deviantart post.
https://www.deviantart.com/marcsimonetti/art/The-Iron-throne-384817985

[Anonymous No.23220597]

>>23216856
The only sex scene I distinctly remember finding hot was the one with Arys Oakheart and Arianne Martell.

[Anonymous No.23220837]

>the culture on the extreme orient of the world? Hmmm... ah yes, let's just make them chinks.
>Now, what to call them? Ching chongs? Cho-Chang, no that's not it...
>Think, George, think!
>*lightbulb lights up over head*
>twists fat neck to face the poster-plastered wall of his mancave
>Aha! Eureka!
Something makes me think all the randomness and copypasted lovecraft stuff wasn't actually written to resemble medieval/ancient descriptions of distant lands.
I want HBO to do the black valyrian Magellan now, it'd be such a hilarious contrast to the unfinished book series. Like if Rings of Power came out while ROTK got abandoned because Tolkien lost interest.

[Anonymous No.23220883]

I'm sure this gets asked all the time but as a secondary
Any good shorts / novellas from his earlier days? Doesn't have to be scifi
picrel also gives me hope, both as a reader and a writer

[Anonymous No.23221014]

>>23214633
Fuck this fat slob and fuck me for wasting my time reading his bullshit.

[Anonymous No.23221078]

>>23214646
Doubt it, but if this is actually true, then I'll probably start reading the series soon, since I have no hope A Dream of Spring will ever release. I was probably going to start anyway because I was not counting on Winds of Winter coming out and I'm tired of waiting for him to just finish.

[Anonymous No.23221138]

>>23220430
The question is how death will affect Jon. It has a serious effect on every character who returns from the dead. It's implied that Jon's body will be better preserved and he'll be a lot less worse for wear than Cat, but dead is dead. It means no heart beating in the chest and no blood flowing in the veins. I don't know if Jon will care about the Iron Throne or women. He kept dreaming of the crypts under Winterfell and there's the relationship with Ghost, both of which were dropped in the show. The Winterfell crypts need to be paid off because I don't want to read anymore foreshadowing about that place and if the dire wolves have no purpose like in the show I'll be very irritated.

[Anonymous No.23221178]

[Anonymous No.23221476]

So tell me, what is West of Westeros?

[Anonymous No.23221528]

>Aegon spent ten nights with Rhaenys for every night he spent with Visenya

what a flaming faggot

[Anonymous No.23221536]

>>23221476
North Americos

[Anonymous No.23221574]

>>23221178
>oh you think that do you? Keep reading.
*goes 14 years without elaborating on anything*
Truly based

[Anonymous No.23221599]

>>23218092
>the TLDR of it is that meereen exists so dany can adapt the only solution is the final solution mindset
I get it, I just don't like Meereen. Slavers' Bay is such a goofy, over the top setting that I can't take anything happening there seriously.

[Anonymous No.23221647]

>>23221599
I actually like the aesthetic of Slaver's Bay even though it's completely unrealistic. Reminds me of some kind of Sword and Sorcery setting

[Anonymous No.23221758]

>>23221528
Amber Heard vs Olivia Wilde.

[Anonymous No.23221781]

>>23221758
art just can't capture the otherworldly beauty valyrians are said to have

[Anonymous No.23221867]

Soon...

[Anonymous No.23222046]

>>23221476
The Sunset Sea
>>23221867
Two more weeks trust the plan

[Anonymous No.23222058]

Never picking this up until every book is released. Lazy sack of shit.

[Anonymous No.23222070]

>>23222058
thank you for letting me know

[Anonymous No.23222117]

>>23221781

[Anonymous No.23222361]

I'll never understand people who read the books and enjoyed them at the time, but will now seethe endlessly and call the series shit simply because it won't get finished. Or those that won't even start it, even if they know they'd likely enjoy the books.

Even if WoW never gets released, ASOIAF will still be amongst my favorite fantasy series. I love the characters, world, and story, and at the time of reading them I got way more than my moneys worth of enjoyment.

Its about the adventure, not the destination, no?

[Anonymous No.23222428]

So what's Manderly's endgame? I think by far one of the most interesting characters introduced in Dance and the series as a whole. I wonder if he's just repaying a debt to House Stark for how they helped out his family in the past get a foothold in the north after being exiled from the Reach or if he's just fearing losing whatever influence he has and his house potentially going through ruin and decline if the Bolton-Frey alliance manages to be stronger than it appears and they deem Manderly too much of a Stark loyalist to allow him to live in case he wages open rebellion against them and potentially installing himself as a pseudo Warden of the North in the meantime.

>>23221138

Maybe it'll be an Arya type scenario he'll temporarily forget who he was in death but will probably go for a visit down in the crypts and discover something super important rediscovering his own identity in the process anchoring him to the world.

>>23221476

Americos or The Land of Always Winter I like to think it's just a big endless ice sheet that extends all over the world. Think of it like Super Antarctica

[Anonymous No.23222447]

>>23222428
He wants to rule the north as Lord Protector in Stannis' name until Rickon comes of age.

[Anonymous No.23222600]

So how do feel about Euron=Daario?

I think it fits.

[Anonymous No.23222616]

How do we feel about Preston Jacobs? I feel like his interpretation on R+J is more interesting than what the show did.

[Anonymous No.23222702]

>>23222600

I don't buy it I thought of a crackpot a while ago that Euron and Varys were the same person because Varys is great at disguising himself and was the first one to bring up Euron's presence all the way back in AGOT. There's also other stuff how they both employ tonguless people, maybe the little birds Varys has grow up to work on The Silence. I love it but I don't see how it could connect further interesting to note that Littlefinger and Varys are both into ships maybe Littlfinger discovered Varys true identity somehow

I like the merman one more though.

>>23222616

I like the one where he claimed Ice and Fire could be post-apocalyptic and all the castles were old doomsday bunkers or something akin to that. Pretty imaginative but I think he's just flinging shit together hoping something sticks so that he can claim to be right about something but interesting theories nonetheless.

[Anonymous No.23222841]

>>23217875
He's not nice at all you delusional retard, GRRM is a massive cunt and a creep to boot. Not only that, he's Stephen King-tier with his horrific anti-white political takes and embarrassing consumerism/decadent perversity. His writing reveals he's a shallow faggot who is motivated most of all by misanthropy, wouldn't be surprised to learn he's got jew blood in him. He's more than a creep, he's archetypally creepy for this era, he is in some ways THE CREEP in the world, among all other creeps. Anyway, GRRM is a failure who will die alone, without ever finishing his "life's work", and the world will be better for it.

[Anonymous No.23222848]

>>23222841
>wouldn't be surprised to learn he's got jew blood in him
You know full well that he does, don't you.

[Anonymous No.23222881]

>>23222848
I really don't, haven't looked into the fat fuck, do you know?

[Anonymous No.23222888]

>>23222841
He’s one quarter kike according to wikisneedia.

[Anonymous No.23222892]

>>23222881
>a DNA test on the series Finding Your Roots showed him to be 53.6% "British and Irish", 22.4% Ashkenazi Jewish, and 15.6% "Broadly Northwestern European"

[Anonymous No.23222898]

>>23222888
Every fucking time. My jewdar is getting better and better ever since I spotted that crypto-kike Kosemen. The common unifier is 'misanthropy' and followed closely by 'nihilism' and 'hedonism'. You see much of any of this and the odds shoot up massively that the author is a jew, and it's pretty much guaranteed that the author was taught all that by jews regardless. Fuck, I was just trying to express my hatred of his freaky doll collecting habit and the fact he "showed it off" to that porn star, just such unfathomably pathetic decadence.

[Anonymous No.23223002]

>>23221528
And still got cucked by his favourite

[Anonymous No.23223127]

>>23222361
no

[Anonymous No.23223184]

>>23222898
He was raised catholic and he didn't even know he had Jewish ancestry until like three years ago. His grandmother had an affair and put the blame on her husband who abandoned the family when he found out.

[Anonymous No.23223275]

>>23223184
Being raised catholic is irrelevant, jewishness is a mindset you choose when you reject racial consciousness and rejecg generative pro-social, humanistic beliefs as a whole. What gives away a jew earlier than his nose, his kippah, or his genes, is his hatred of life and especially of those who desire to make life better and more tolerable. You always choose to be jewish, but it has nothing to do with the silly rabbinical kike larp, it's about allegiance to the cause of sacrificing others for your benefit, the most important ritual aspect is the belief in the moral utility of scapegoats. Most jews are not religious, and will even vociferously defend materialist atheism, you should not equate jewishness with being 'raised catholic' or imagine that being raised that way would act as a deterrent against jewish identity and jewish mentality.

Martin's 'racial' (genetic) jewishness is an amusing anecdote but his psychic jewishness is the undeniable thing which actually makes him jewish.

[Anonymous No.23223377]

>>23220234
So Westeros: Interregnum from /q/ is canon?? Based. I liked how that QM ended the lore of the books

[Anonymous No.23223747]

>>23222898
Koseman? You mean the Turkish artist?

[Anonymous No.23224058]

>GRRM writes about the great joys of life food, sex, family, friendship, loyalty
>writes a political intrigue where people sacrifice these things for power, sometimes senselessly sometimes for the greater good
>retard race obsessionists think hes part of a jewish plot to destroy the white race and western values
GRRM has never sacrificed someone else for his benefit he just makes shows of his books, /pol/tard is just being psychotic

[Anonymous No.23224085]

Varys was always a Targ loyalist. Everything he said to Aerys was true. The Southron Ambitions Coalition and Rhaegar were each seeking to usurp him. Varys also told him the truth about Tywin wanting to sack the city.

It's not feeding paranoia if everyone is trying to usurp you.

[Anonymous No.23224096]

So we can all agree that Bloodraven is a villain, right? He is not only the 'ends justify the means' character (Something we know the author does not support), but he is contrasted against Baelor Breakspear (An individual agreed upon by all to be the best King Westeros never had) pretty early on in Sworn Sword in regards to policymaking.

[Anonymous No.23224101]

>>23224085
Varys also kills Pycelle and Kevan in a way that directly mirrors the killing of Elia and her children.

Varys also sneaks Aegon VI out of King's Landing not unlike Larys did to Aegon II when it was sacked.

This Faegon meme is going to age so badly, and this is coming from someone who would have liked a Blackfyre to take the throne.

[Anonymous No.23224114]

>>23224101
On top of the killings of Pycelle and Kevan indicating a personal grudge...

Varys mentions his sadness over the death of Rhaenys and how there was no mercy for her (Aegon unmentioned interestingly) when Ned pleads for him to help Sansa in the dungeon.

[Anonymous No.23224115]

>>23221476
i don't know. but, i wanna know. i want a planetos world map so fucking bad.

[Anonymous No.23224124]

>>23219525
I actually loved Fire and blood and thought D&E read like some rejected draft of the Young adult rangers apprentice series..

[Anonymous No.23224136]

>>23224124
The Dance of the Dragons is the most nonsensical and illogical thing I have ever read from GRRM and it isn't even close.

[Anonymous No.23224177]

>>23224115
Can't post the original here for some reason. Fucking retarded image hosting system
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fi-heard-we-were-posting-totally-normal-asoiaf-maps-v0-obxiu2hvg5oa1.jpg%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D4d1d9dcf3e6361c229884ae434e38b3c394e0577

[Anonymous No.23224215]

>>23214683
That one timeline of events based around how far the wind carried Sansa's shoe when it fell from the Eyrie was pretty wild. I think Preston came up with it initially.

[Anonymous No.23224227]

>>23214683
Based Rickon

[Anonymous No.23224272]

>>23222428
There's a heavy revenge angle in it for him. The Freys and Boltons killed his son Wendel at the Red Wedding and then forced him to betrothe his daughters or granddaughters to a bunch of Freys in return for returning his other son Wylis to him. As soon as Manderly gets Wylis back he murders the Freys who were betrothed to the women in his family, kills a murderer and tells the Boltons it was Davos, sends Davos to retrieve Rickon, etc.

Killing someone's son in cold blood and then expecting him to cuck out for you is really stupid on the part of the Boltons/Freys. The fact that Manderly goes to Winterfell himself says and talks massive shit says that he is already in his endgame, he doesn't care if he comes back alive, he's getting his revenge. He's too fat to sit on a horse and he's trudging through the deep snow on foot despite him not personally taking part in Robb's campaigns due to him being incredibly fat. It seems like a blatant suicide mission for him.

[Anonymous No.23224364]

>>23222361
>Its about the adventure, not the destination, no?
A shitty ending or an absence of one can retroactively taint the whole experience (at least for many people).

[Anonymous No.23224373]

[Anonymous No.23224416]

>>23224373
Ned made an unjust execution to start the story, but Jon chose to not engage in an unjust execution. Is this a hint that Rhaegar was the better man?

[Anonymous No.23224703]

>>23224136
The Dance is high kino that solved the dragon problem for George, Aegon began with 3 and their numbers began growing (because dragon geneder is still a mystery and they switch genders/ reproduce asexually or both). Too many dragons means you don't align with all the dead dragons by ASOAIF story begins, so he needed a war to kill dragons before their population got too big, thus the dance.

[Anonymous No.23224819]

>>23224416
Was he supposed to let the deserter walk?

[Anonymous No.23224904]

>>23224703
That's the main problem with making prequels. You have to take into account the main story. Any changes from the main story have to be resolved by the time of the main story or it doesn't make sense. Same deal with the deaths of the Targaryens. Somehow at the time of Aegon the Conquerer there were only three Targs on Dragonstone. Then by Jaehaerys there were about 20. Dance of the Dragons cuts them down to about five. Same cycle happens over the next few generations, until after Robert's Rebellion we're somehow left with just two Targaryens (three if you count Faegon). IRL there would have been several cadet branches of house which ruled for almost 300 years. You see similar problems with other houses like Stark, Arryn, Martell. Of course, it's possible that there are other branches hidden away which GRRM hasn't spoken about, but that's strange given he's named every fucking Lannister in Casterly Rock and Lannisport.

[Anonymous No.23224909]

Which character in history is most likely to be GRRM's stand in? We know that in the main series Sam is supposed to represent him, but who would it be in Fire & Blood?

[Anonymous No.23224936]

>>23215140
>it will never be out because he is FAT
>pic rel just finished a rough draft of a new secret project while you wrote that post

[Anonymous No.23224947]

what's the best place to find asoiaf artwork? tried xitter but a certain character's fanbase makes that shithole literally unusable

[Anonymous No.23224974]

>>23224936
>Sanderson
I hope not. Fucking midwit.

[Anonymous No.23224978]

>>23224974
>implying GRR is anything other than midwit

[Anonymous No.23224983]

Brandon Sanderson would never finish ASOIAF
>"….the point is moot, as I wouldn’t say yes to finishing ASOIAF, if asked. (And I don’t think they’d ask me.) I’d respectfully decline. I wouldn’t be right for the job for many reasons. I wouldn’t want to put in the content that the series has, and part of that is due to my religious faith, part of it is just who I am. I don’t shy away from difficult material, but I prefer not to get explicit."

[Anonymous No.23225010]

>>23224983
....Is he really this sensitive over gore and rape and horrific sorcerous acts?

[Anonymous No.23225015]

>>23225010
Pretty much yes.

[Anonymous No.23225024]

>>23225010
I think it's more the explicit sexual material. For all his faults, Sanderson doesn't shy away from gore and dark acts. Hell, in Mistborn it's even stated outright that women of the lower caste who are raped by men of the higher castes are killed afterward, because the men don't want there to be the slightest chance that they might have a rape baby who has allomancy powers.

[Anonymous No.23225034]

>>23214683
Love Stannis so much bros

[Anonymous No.23225045]

>hmmm
>Alleras, yes. How mighty clever of you, George

[Anonymous No.23225094]

The Greatest King to ever sit the Iron Throne

[Anonymous No.23225101]

What your favorite name from asoiaf?

[Anonymous No.23225144]

>>23225101
Jon

[Anonymous No.23225174]

a while ago i had some books in my amazon wishlist. for some reason, one day the thumbnails just started being switched with what i guess were images logged in my computer's image cache.

[Anonymous No.23225200]

[Anonymous No.23225242]

>>23224978
It is. Who else would have the brilliance of writing this? Certainly not that wimp Sanderson: >>23224983

[Anonymous No.23225249]

>jon, melisandre and the wall
>stannis and the battle of ice
>barristan, victarion and the battle of fire
>davos and rickon
>bran and the tree guy
>theon, asha and the sucession of the iron islands
>cersei and the church
>jaime, brienne and lady stoneheart
>tyrion's journey
>arya's journey
>sansa and the vale
>sam, the faceless men and oldtown
>fakaegon, varys and dorne
>whatever bullshit euron is trying to pull
>R+L=J
>the long night
>final battle for the throne and aftermath
How can this fat fuck close so many storylines in just two books?

[Anonymous No.23225256]

>>23224936
Andrew Dobson?

[Anonymous No.23225266]

>>23225249
>How can this fat fuck close so many storylines in just two books?
Just like the HBO series did, at first, if there wasn't such a backlash.

[Anonymous No.23225276]

>>23225266
>go back in time and remove half of the plotlines in advance
Woah so this was Gurm's plan all along...

[Anonymous No.23225303]

>>23225266
Most of these arcs weren't even in the show.

[Anonymous No.23225313]

How do i learn to writ as well as marten?

[Anonymous No.23225316]

>>23225249
Well a lot of these storylines are interlinked most likely.

The entire north plot point will just be Melisandre accidentally creating a Night's King by trying to force Jon to be Azor Ahai when he isn't. And when that happens everyone dies in the north
Sansa/Jamie/Brienne/Stoneheart are going to end up being one storyline probably. Littlefinger is definitely finished by the end of Winds.
Arya's entire point is to kill Jon (Night's King) so she's just going to come back when she hears something about him to do that.
Tyrion is wrapped up with Dany so whatever happens to her will take him with her.
Sam's entire point is to deliver the horn of winter to someone who will use it to destroy the wall. So Euron
All of this will be done by the end of Winds of Winter. A Dream of Spring will most likely just be the war and resolution with The Others/scouring of Westeros and the world

But we're never getting Dream so Winds will just be death and destruction everywhere with people in place to do endgame things.

[Anonymous No.23225325]

>>23225266
>just like the HBO series did
>have to get rid of Mance still being alive with Mel's glimmer
>erase Jeyne Poole from existence, somehow teleport Sansa to where she is from the Vale, and get rid of her marriage prospects with Harry the heir
>erase the secret baby swap with mance and gilly's babies
>teleport Asha away from being a prisoner with Stannis
>Kill Barriston even though he's already dead in the show, get rid of the actions of his consequences
>erase Victarion
>teleport Davos back to Stannis, teleport Rickon to Winterfell from Skagos to be Ramsey's prisoner
>Erase Lady Stoneheart, somehow have her re-revive Beric
>teleport Jamie and Bronn to be off to Dorne to get Myrcella
>erase "Pate" from the Citadel
>erase Marywn going to do magic fuckery
>have the FAegon crew be immediately defeated and nothing-burgered since they just invaded Westeros
>randomly Euron into a fuckboy that hides until later instead of going Eldritch God mode
>erase The Tattered Prince

[Anonymous No.23225393]

>>23225316
>Melisandre accidentally creating a Night's King by trying to force Jon to be Azor Ahai
You just made that up.
>Sansa/Jamie/Brienne/Stoneheart are going to end up being one storyline probably
They will interconnect at some point but Jaime has its own arc with Cersei to take care.
>Arya's entire point is to kill Jon
You just made that up. Arya is going to come back to Westeros like in the show but I don't know what's the point of this character after that.
>Tyrion is wrapped up with Dany
Yes but he's got his own shit to take care of, he's not going to be just her advisor.
>Sam's entire point is to deliver the horn of winter
There are a lot of important characters in oldtown like Alleras, Marwyn and Pate.
>All of this will be done by the end of Winds of Winter
No way Jon dies before A Dream of Spring.

Bran's arc in winters is probably just a loredump but I still don't know what his and Faegon's endgoal will be.

[Anonymous No.23225412]

>>23225101
Barristan, Melissandre, Rikard (one of the few ‘twists on a regular name’ in the story that I actually like), and all the Valyrian names, even Aenys

[Anonymous No.23225424]

>>23225325
>>23225276
>>23225303
That is right. Some of the arcs will reach dead ends, and others will be retroactively changed (doubtlessly due to timey-wimey stuff).
There will be an undead ice dragon, with an unsatisfactory battle against the undead. Jon (the "J" in 'R+L') will be revived, declared the Targaryen King of the Norf; he'll bow to his Qween/lover/aunt Dany and later kill her. Kingslanding? Destroyed. Dorn? Who gives a fuck. Highgarden? Quickly beaten and gifted to Bronn.

[Anonymous No.23225443]

>>23224819
Maybe hold him in a cell a bit until he is able to talk and tell his side. Gareth was a loyal Nights Watch member for a long time and he was basically killed without an oppurtunity to tell his side because he is still in schock. Westeros loses out on valuable information because Ned plowed through with an execution.

[Anonymous No.23225445]

>>23225424
(cont.)
You fellows seem to forget about the claim that Martin had said to be showrunners, in a resumed way, on how his books would end (at the time at least).

[Anonymous No.23225453]

>>23225445
It doesn't really matter if George told them how it ends if they don't follow it. They couldn't even completely follow the books they were directly adapting from

[Anonymous No.23225506]

>>23225393
yeah no shit I made it up but it would line up with similar endings to the show which is what we have to go off of. that and foreshadowing. and jon as you know him is gone lil bro, cope.

[Anonymous No.23225600]

>A blue flower grew from a chink in a wall of ice, and filled the air with sweetness.

What did George mean by this?

[Anonymous No.23225623]

>>23225600
He's telling you that Jon is Lyanna's child because she loved blue roses and their scent.

[Anonymous No.23225677]

>>23224936
fat ≠ FAT

[Anonymous No.23225712]

>>23225316
Asha and Theon are going to be the POVs of Stannis' army. He defeats the Freys using the night lamp and most likely loses to the Boltons. I hope Stannis dies while leaving a lasting impact but there is no way he survives Winters. Asha takes Theon to the Islands to undo the Kingsmoot.

We don't have a POV for the northern cospiracy anymore. I think the Boltons are going to capture Davos and Rickon, and the later is going to die.

Meli is the POV of the Wall. The Night's Watch, the Queen's men and the Wildlings come into conflict. Jon is inside Ghost. Meli sacrifices Shireen to revive Stannis but ends up reviving Jon by accident and becomes his fangirl. Selyse is going to die in the riots or protecting her daughter.

Jon takes the surviving wildlings and knights and attacks Winterfell. Roose gets stabbed at some point and hopefully we'll have a bastardbowl. He wins thanks to the northern lords who support him from within, and maybe the Vale too. He will be proclaimed the King of the North by Manderly and the others. Reed comes with Ned Stark's remains and tells Jon the truth about his origin inside the crypt of Winterfell (maybe A Dreams of Spring material).

I have no idea how the conflict between Jaime, Brienne and Lady Stoneheart will be solved. Jaime continues his redemption arc, Brienne meets Sansa and Lady Stoneheart dies at some point, hopefully after meeting her daugther. Sansa betrays Petyr and gains the support of the Vale.
We will see Euron from Aeron and Sam's POV. He seizes Oldtown, fights the Tyrell and takes the horn. He's going to destroy The Wall somehow, either with the horn or with the Dragonbinder. Sam and the others sail to meet Dany. No idea what Pate's role is but Sam is going to read his book and find some crazy shit.

Arya does some boring stuff and leaves the Faceless Men eventually to travel to Westeros.

Bran continues having visions of the Hearth of Winter, the Others and the Old Gods. Maybe his plotline in Winters will end with him running away, I think the Hodor bit was confirmed by the showrunners. Bloodraven is too important to just die like in the show.

Arianne is going to be Aegon's POV and do stuff I don't know. Maybe she uncovers Varys' plans but rolls with them anyway.

Dany and Cersei's storylines are going to be the same as the show. Victarion and the Dragonbinder have to play a role somehow but I have no idea what can it be.

[Anonymous No.23225808]

>>23225101
Xaro Xhoan Daxos

[Anonymous No.23225858]

>>23223747
Cevdet Mehmet Kösemen, who is from Turkey, and is a Dönmeh, a Turkish crypto-jew.

>The Dönme (Hebrew: דוֹנְמֶה, romanized: Dōnme, Ottoman Turkish: دونمه, Turkish: Dönme) were a group of Sabbatean crypto-Jews in the Ottoman Empire who converted outwardly to Islam, but retained their Jewish faith and Kabbalistic beliefs in secret.[1][2][3][4] The movement was centered mainly in Thessaloniki.[1][4][5] It originated during and soon after the era of Sabbatai Zevi, a 17th-century Sephardic Jewish Rabbi and Kabbalist who claimed to be the Jewish Messiah and eventually feigned conversion to Islam under threat of death from the Sultan Mehmed IV.[3][6] After Zevi's forced conversion to Islam,[1][3][4][6] a number of Sabbatean Jews purportedly converted to Islam and became the Dönme.[1][3][4][7] Some Sabbateans lived on into 21st-century Turkey as descendants of the Dönme.[1]

He wrote All Tomorrows, the hideous work of misanthropic loxist nihilism which, typical for jews, glorifies sadism against humanity.

[Anonymous No.23225892]

>>23225712

I think the Stoneheart stuff is giving GRRM most trouble that and showing what to reveal in chapters like Melissandre or Bran. They are going to be very lore fueled and reveal some interesting stuff but I think he's picky about what he chooses. I can see Jaime dying but being resurrected

[Anonymous No.23226105]

>>23225892
I heard that theory before but I think there are too many zombies already. I also don't know why would she sacrifices herself for Jaime.

[Anonymous No.23226335]

>>23224904
the lack of cadet branches for the houses is 100% an oversight but who cares since the story needed it

[Anonymous No.23226340]

>>23225101
Argilac 'the Arrogant' Durrandon

[Anonymous No.23226344]

>>23225712
i think stannis wins against the freys then sends manderly back to winterfell with his magic sword to take it by treachery

[Anonymous No.23226429]

>>23225313
By doing absolutely nothing

[Anonymous No.23226496]

>>23226344
That's seems to be the case based on the pink letter. The question is if he's going to win against the Boltons or if that's Jon's job.

[Anonymous No.23226504]

>>23215140
Based /fit/izen.

[Anonymous No.23226511]

[Anonymous No.23226519]

[Anonymous No.23226741]

Chances of Barry surviving Mereen's battle?

[Anonymous No.23226789]

>>23226741
I would say good, but he won't survive long after that unfortunately. If George is going to do what I think he's going to do, we're not going to get Dany and Jon povs anymore but instead see them from other characters' perspectives. So Tyrion will be for Dany and Melisandre for Jon.

[Anonymous No.23226815]

>>23226789
Makes sense for Jon but why Dany?

[Anonymous No.23226828]

>>23226741

I think Barry is at least surviving until he can find someway to help Aegon and Daenerys meet. Daenerys will probably think Barry is one of the three betrayers in her vision and be pissed at him for a while but he'll be conflicted over whether or not to trust Aegon and want to go see him for himself since he's one of the few people left alive who could potentially verify whether or not he's Rhaegar's actual son giving how close he was with him.

I think some jealously from Joncon will be met though

Daenerys three betrayels are all from herself by the way

[Anonymous No.23226836]

>>23225010
Yeah, even in Mistborn where its made pretty blunt that rape eugenics is a constant occurence to the point that one character is essentially a breeding mare, I'm pretty sure he refuses to use the word rape more than once per book.

[Anonymous No.23226843]

>>23224703
The Blacks go throughout the entire dance without exercising their extreme dragon advantage and then they all get killed by a riot. Somehow, the Greens win the Dragon arms race (just barely) in the ultimate subversion.

Aemond decides to abandon Cole's army and any chance at consolidating armies for basically no reason which kills half of the green forces. The only possible explanation for this is he got bewitched, but no one in the fandom seems to believe that because that "removes agency".

Aemond instead razes the riverlands, which you think would at least take the riverlands out of the equation by destroying any way to feed their army, but instead the tully muppets proceed to 360 no scope the rest of Westeros with zero help from anyone else.

Cregan Stark and the Vale do nothing the whole war when they had plenty of time to get involved. Either they intentionally let Rhaenyra lose (I doubt this was intended by the author) or its a plot hole.

The Greens, who really represent Andal nobility against Targ supremacy, get backed by basically no one and lose the ground war when that should have been their main strength against the Dragon advantage the Blacks had.

[Anonymous No.23226851]

>>23226815
She's basically lost her shit at the end of Dance. She's hearing things and hallucinating to the point where she convinces herself to just fuck everything up now instead of trying to do what's right all the time. He could want us to see this from other character's perspectives since it's such a strong character change. Kind of like Jon being brought back being completely different than he was. Maybe he wants us to speculate more on who is right or wrong, instead of being biased since we know what they're thinking internally.

[Anonymous No.23226855]

>>23224983
Let's be real, Sanderson is not a good writer.

[Anonymous No.23226859]

>>23226519
What's up with the Reed slander?

[Anonymous No.23226876]

>>23226843
>The Greens, who really represent Andal nobility against Targ supremacy, get backed by basically no one and lose the ground war when that should have been their main strength against the Dragon advantage the Blacks had.
The Dance is a very messy plot when you look into it, there's so much convenience that happens so that things don't get too complicated later on so that the next "monarch" has a well defined era to lead into that stands on its own. Having both the Strong Targs and the Hightower Targs die out completely feels like such a cop out to make both side "lose" and avoid the natural messiness that would result after the Dance, especially with the way Jaehaera is taken out of the narrative with as much fanfare as a wet fart.

[Anonymous No.23226884]

>>23226855
He's okay for his little niche but comparing him to Martin is ludicrous. He just doesn't have the same talent for prose or character work or story and each of his books feels like they're written in isolation from the next.
He's good at making cool concepts though

[Anonymous No.23226898]

>>23225249
He can't. That's why it's been a decade with no progress.

[Anonymous No.23226900]

>>23226876
>the way Jaehaera is taken out of the narrative
That was the biggest spit in the face from George

[Anonymous No.23226901]

>>23226876
unironically i think the whole dance of the dragons made marwyn think there’s an anti-maester conspiracy, because everything would make so much more sense if there actually was an anti-dragon conspiracy at the time

[Anonymous No.23226911]

The funny thing is that George is probably not writing any slower than he did with ADWD. The problem is that he didn't start writing Winds until 2020, so we are really only 4 years into George's writing cycle here. It took him 5 to write ADWD.

[Anonymous No.23226994]

>>23226843
The Black Dragon advantage is a paper tiger, Vhagar sweeps. I agree with a lot of your other points though

[Anonymous No.23227018]

>>23226911
>he didn't start writing Winds until 2020
>so we are really only 4 years into George's writing cycle here
Anon....

[Anonymous No.23227031]

>>23226994
All it would have taken was 1 kamikaze to take out Vhagar and make it a cakewalk for the blacks, but then again, only Daemon really could have done that, and I doubt he would have done it unless he felt like he had nothing to lose, so I suppose you have a point there.

[Anonymous No.23227057]

>>23227031
He was too busy pounding Nettles cunny for that

[Anonymous No.23227168]

>>23227018
What?

[Anonymous No.23227187]

>>23225858
I’m ashamed I didn’t realize this about all tomorrows earlier, but I did detect the telltale nihilistic evil of I have no mouth and I must scream though that’s no impressive feat.

[Anonymous No.23228082]

>>23227168
You don't actually believe he has been writing these 4 years right?

[Anonymous No.23228088]

bump

[Anonymous No.23228147]

[Anonymous No.23228153]

This might sound silly, but I'd like for Martin (or anyone else) to adapt into books the Telltale's story of House Forrester; and of course continue it further than the game.

[Anonymous No.23228154]

>>23228147
Alright lads, which POV character is going to take us to Starfall and unravel the mystery of the Daynes? Sam and Arianne are closest but neither of them are tied to the Starks.

[Anonymous No.23228208]

>>23228154
Areo Hotah

[Anonymous No.23228213]

>>23228208
Even less tied to the Starks though. How are we going to get the narrative payoff of whatever the Daynes know about Ned, Ashara, and Lyanna?

[Anonymous No.23228242]

>>23228154
We're not going to Starfall. Starfall is coming to us via Howland Reed.

[Anonymous No.23228273]

>>23228154
Darkstar

[Anonymous No.23228281]

>>23228273
I can't wait

[Anonymous No.23228394]

>>23214633
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_qF0idoWFk

[Anonymous No.23228698]

these two had such hilarious chemistry

[Anonymous No.23228706]

Please post your favourite memes; I lost almost all of mine with the hdd.

[Anonymous No.23228711]

>>23228698
Stannis is so fucking based. I hope George keeps him alive as the ultimate twist.

[Anonymous No.23228756]

[Anonymous No.23228778]

>>23228711
I hope George keeps himself alive until finishing book 6. I've given up on anything else.

[Anonymous No.23228798]

>>23228756
Lads words cannot describe how much I hate this fucking cunt

[Anonymous No.23228952]

>>23228756

I'm genuinely curious how Bloodraven is going to react to Aegon. It's going to be pretty interesting reaction. I keep forgetting he and Bran will probably be one of the few characters who'll be able to determined if he's genuine or not

[Anonymous No.23228964]

>>23228698
Such a great exchange.

[Anonymous No.23228968]

>>23228798
I hate him too

[Anonymous No.23229005]

Most hated POV character?
For me it's Sam. I fucking hate him and him being a GRRM self-insert.

[Anonymous No.23229018]

>>23228698
Same when Stannis is planning on taking Dreadfort.

[Anonymous No.23229033]

>>23223275
Just different values. Grrm tries to make the world a better place by being a feminist and pacifist. I know most anons hate both but he does have his ideals.

[Anonymous No.23229091]

>>23229005
daenerys or arya

[Anonymous No.23229136]

[Anonymous No.23229176]

>>23214633
Why doesn't this wanker just die and put us out of all our misery.

[Anonymous No.23229197]

>>23229136
"What men want doesn't matter" is a pretty good line ngl

[Anonymous No.23229265]

So what was in the letter?

[Anonymous No.23229297]

>>23229005
Brienne.

Yeah yeah nice exposition, it's still a fucking slog and would have benefited from having an actual story next to the exposition.

[Anonymous No.23229318]

>>23229297
On re-read it isn't bad, some neat stuff happens, but on a first read it is hard to care about a wild goose chase

[Anonymous No.23229333]

>>23229265

[Anonymous No.23229420]

>>23228952
I hope it's some variation of "Who cares" or "It doesn't matter" which coincidentally happen to be my thoughts on the Is he a Blackfyre question

[Anonymous No.23229607]

>>23229420

I see him being the type who thinks he's above humanity because he ascended into some tree-human hybrid he'll be all like "I don't care. There have been Targaryen pretends before, and there will be more to come afterwards." something like that.

[Anonymous No.23229754]

>>23228698
I wish we had a Stannis chapters. He's probably internally seething about Jon because he's like Ned and Ned usurped his place as Robert's brother.

[Anonymous No.23229756]

I'm glad I read this series when I was 16, I don't think I would have enjoyed it today. Too much cuckoldry and scatology for my taste.

[Anonymous No.23229763]

>>23229756
The cuckoldry is never celebrated, it's always presented as something shitty, retarded, and desperate people do and they never benefit from it, they all end up murdered lol, and if not them their children. idk wtf you've been reading but there's no "scatlology".

[Anonymous No.23229779]

>>23229763
>idk wtf you've been reading but there's no "scatlology"

[Anonymous No.23229782]

>>23229779
braap

[Anonymous No.23229796]

>>23229779
wow anon 60 words out of the nearly two millions words in asoiaf

[Anonymous No.23229827]

>>23229796
>Her cunt became the world
You can't read a chapter without some comment about shit, piss, dicks, tits or pussies. Same with all the girls older than 13 being who- sexually positive persons.
>you cannot write good literature without fat pink masts because fat pink mast impact all aspects of li-
Sure, sure. Look, there is nothing wrong with any of those things. I just don't enjoy them anymore.

[Anonymous No.23229841]

>>23229827
>You can't read a chapter without some comment about shit, piss, dicks, tits or pussies.
100% not true
>Same with all the girls older than 13 being who- sexually positive persons.
oh boy read the series again and actually pay attention to the books and not the brainlet takes you see on twitter
>Her cunt became the world
>you cannot write good literature without fat pink masts because fat pink mast impact all aspects of li-
You all keep repeating the same handful of lines. These things aren't even cringe and make perfect sense within the context of the characters that say or think these things.

[Anonymous No.23229910]

>>23229841
It gets worse with time.
ADwD
>whore count: 166
>piss count: 51
>shit count: 39
>cunt count: 29
>cock count: 28
>breasts count: 46
>seed count: 3
>dick count: 11 aprox
>fuck count: 54
>fart count: 2 (AGoT had 3, Martin is getting better)

Retard

[Anonymous No.23229917]

>>23229841
anons will say the boldest lies right to you and hope you don't know enough to call them out on it. 90% of the people that post that copypasta about Dany shitting out her guts have not read a single chapter of A Song of Ice and Fire.

[Anonymous No.23229928]

>>23229917
>provides no evidence

[Anonymous No.23229945]

>>23229910
Again this is out of over 2 million words in asoiaf and the connected books. Stop acting like it's all there is in the books. There's something wrong with you if that's all you're taking away from these novels.

Also do you motherfucker go outside or have friends? It's not uncommon to here someone say "I've got to take a piss" if you're out drinking. That shit is probably said billions of times everyday.

[Anonymous No.23229951]

>>23229928
It helps my credibility to not use random contextless lists of naughty words.

[Anonymous No.23229987]

>>23229945
>Stop acting like it's all there is in the books.
When did I ever said that?
>There's something wrong with you if that's all you're taking away from these novels.
Again, stop putting words on my mouth. I have been talking about Winds of Winter theories the whole thread. I enjoy the books but Martin's vulgarity puts me away.
>It's not uncommon to here someone say "I've got to take a piss" if you're out drinking.
It's a story with dragons and kingslayers, it doesn't need to mirror our reality. There are thousands of great books that talk about human nature in a realistic fashion without including bathrooms habits.

[Anonymous No.23229988]

>>23228756
Kek

[Anonymous No.23229991]

>>23228798
>>23228968
Seethe you shits

[Anonymous No.23230022]

>>23229987
>There are thousands of great books that talk about human nature in a realistic fashion without including bathrooms habits.
And it's okay for this one book series to include that type of language. You Tolkien fags are annoying.

[Anonymous No.23230044]

>>23230022
Read nigga read >>23229827

[Anonymous No.23230061]

>>23230044
Your complaints aren't valid and, ironically, they're childish. What don't you understand about that?

[Anonymous No.23230087]

>>23229987
>It's a story with dragons and kingslayers, it doesn't need to mirror our reality.
You don't understand a single thing about A Song of Ice and Fire and it really shows.

[Anonymous No.23230148]

>>23230061
>say i personally don't like that book has x thing
>noooooo book doesn't has x thing
>prove that book has x thing
>w-well there is nothing wrong with a book having x thing
>sure i agree but like i said i personally don't enjoy it
>noooooo your complaint makes no sense you have to like x thing
Unironically braindead

>>23230087
This is the new cope?

[Anonymous No.23230160]

>>23229005
Daenerys. Stupid delusional cunt.

[Anonymous No.23230167]

>>23225174
Kek

[Anonymous No.23230175]

>>23229005
sam for me too

him being a sniveling coward that's afraid of everything got old after like his second chapter, and that's literally every single one of his chapters. it does make the ones where he actually does something extremely cathartic though. like him beating the shit out of dareon or when he meets coldhands. but it's still not enough to make me actually like him.

[Anonymous No.23230183]

>>23229005
>>23230175
I'm fucking pissed that he's most likely going to be our only PoV for the Citadel

[Anonymous No.23230186]

>>23230175
Sam is probably going to be the most interesting character arc in the end. He's fucking bitches, drinking breast milk, losing weight, and going off to learn magic.

[Anonymous No.23230189]

>>23229005
Arianne.
A delusional slut like Daenerys but without the cool factor.

[Anonymous No.23230221]

>>23230189
Nah Daenerys has some intelligence, gumption, pride (that's not unearned), and she deals in redress. Arianne is fucking retarded because she's a spoiled brat, didn't earn anything had no real hardships, and it shows in her decision making.

[Anonymous No.23230229]

>>23230183
deep down i'm hoping we actually might get a jaqen POV in winds of winter. probably a pipe dream, but it's not much more of one than actually getting winds at this point.

>>23230186
he fucking better. if i have to read another goddamn chapter with him boo hooing and him being all b-b-b-but i c-c-can't do it i'm f-f-fat and and u-u-u-u-u-u-u-u-u-useless i will fucking lose it. you're literally the only character in the series with an actual other kill on the scoreboard FUCKING ACT LIKE IT jesus christ man.

[Anonymous No.23230254]

>>23230229
Sam and Marwyn are GRRM self inserts. Sam is doing cool shit , he's smart, his schemes seem to pay off, he's constantly discovering things that help Jon and the Night's Watch, as you already pointed out he's Sam The Slayer and he's about to go learn from his other half Marwyn. I think he's going to have one of the more satisfying endings.

[Anonymous No.23230266]

>>23230221
You're right, Dany had to cope with being a fugitive, her abusive brother, being sold to savages and having to deal with assassins every day in Mereen. Arianne is the most privileged and delusional character since book 1 Sansa, but as an adult.

[Anonymous No.23230337]

>>23229136
it’s in snippets like these that you really see howard’s influence on george’s writing

[Anonymous No.23230364]

>>23230254
>he's about to go learn from his other half Marwyn
marwyn teaching sam magic would be cool and would probably be the thing that would get me to like sam's chapters. maybe marwyn will show him how to use glass candles and he'll be able to work magical recon for the night's watch. he's already used dragon glass to kill an other maybe he's got a knack for using the stuff in other ways unlike all the other people at the citadel.

>>23230266
>Arianne is the most privileged and delusional character since book 1 Sansa, but as an adult
not to mention entitled. bitch literally tried starting another civil war all because she thought her daddy liked her brother more than her. keyword being "thought". a single open-hearted honest conversation with doran is all it would've taken to keep their goals aligned. doran keeps his cards close to his chest but i doubt he would've kept everything from her like he did if he knew just how retarded she was.

[Anonymous No.23230393]

>>23230364
Pretty sure the Martells are going to end up killing Cersei's kids one way or another so I hope Arianne isn't meant to be le epic empowered female character than Reddit think she is.

[Anonymous No.23230402]

>>23230266
And the thing with Sansa was, she was just trying to do what she was told to do her entire life. The playbook on how to be a lady was literally all she had, and it all became useless in the buildup to the war.

What's Arianne's excuse?

[Anonymous No.23231180]

new bread
>>23231179
>>23231179
>>23231179