/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.23150758]

> death in war is beautiful
I believed him but then I went to /gif/ war thread and death in war looks pretty unesthetic

[Anonymous No.23150784]

He was over compensating for his homosexuality and effeminate nature by becoming a ideological zealot for right wing extremism. It's a pretty common psychological experience in these parts, that's why he's popular

[Anonymous No.23150787]

>>23150758
>Death in war was beautiful
Ftfy

[Anonymous No.23150790]

>>23150784
Nice projection

[Anonymous No.23150791]

>>23150758
In a true war, between your homeland and a foreign enemy who wants you dead, then death in war is beautiful.
One moment of true heroism is worth more than a whole life of slavery

[Anonymous No.23150793]

>>23150758
yeah. if you've any had any experience in the military or in armed conflict you realise quite quickly that romanticised accounts of war is bullshit spewed by naive morons.

its actually quite a pathetic spectacle

[Anonymous No.23150796]

>>23150791
> One moment of true heroism is worth more than a whole life of slavery
Kino

[Anonymous No.23150798]

>>23150791
cool story bro

[Anonymous No.23150799]

>>23150790
Trying to repress your inner desire to have gay sex and cross dress with outward exaggerated expressions of traditional masculinity is literally the spiritual core of Mishimas work

[Anonymous No.23150802]

>mfw i just saw a webm on /gif/ of a young mother whose toddler got killed because some dude committed suicide by jumping from a nearby building.
She was about to cross the road and the guy just landed on her toddler out of fucking nowhere. It's so absurd and tragic that i actually almost ended up laughing. It's incomprehensible.

[Anonymous No.23150810]

>>23150798
Nice 2012 meme phrase

[Anonymous No.23150811]

>>23150758
I saw the webm of a russian soldier giving a BJ to another russian soldier before being sniped by a ukrainian grenade drone.
Mishima would have approved of the homosexuality AND the violence.

[Anonymous No.23150819]

>>23150799
Not quite, it’s your interpretation.

[Anonymous No.23150826]

>>23150810
suck my dick roody-poo

[Anonymous No.23150829]

>>23150819
Understanding that Mishima engaged in performative caricatures of hyper masculine figures as a mask is key to understanding him as a writer.

[Anonymous No.23150842]

>>23150829
Not true. That interpretation comes from a Jewish literary critic.

[Anonymous No.23150844]

>>23150842
he was right. I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings ;_;

[Anonymous No.23150849]

>>23150844
She* and no, she wasn’t.

[Anonymous No.23150851]

>>23150791
>One moment of true heroism is worth more than a whole life of slavery
Both are worthless

[Anonymous No.23150854]

>>23150851
For you

[Anonymous No.23150868]

>>23150842
It's incredibly true, and I'm getting this from literally just reading his works and understanding his life. It's unavoidable if you approach his work sincerely. You're denying it because you want to force his work into a mold of your liking

[Anonymous No.23150877]

>>23150868
> You're denying it because you want to force his work into a mold of your liking
That’s exactly what you’re doing.

[Anonymous No.23150891]

>>23150877
No I'm not, I'm viewing Mishimas work honestly with a complete view of his life and character.

[Anonymous No.23150892]

>>23150784
well said.

[Anonymous No.23150895]

>>23150784
People who say this are just want a strong homofascist to fuck them. Also, psychoanalysis is nonsense. You will never understand another person with any certainty and there is no true self

[Anonymous No.23150898]

>>23150891
Have you seen his life and character for yourself? Did you know him? Are you gay?

[Anonymous No.23150899]

>>23150891
> honestly
You’re forcing an interpretation based on your own bias.

[Anonymous No.23150902]

>>23150895
VERY dumb take.

[Anonymous No.23150912]

>>23150898
I've read his books, which are extremely self reflective, watched the movie about him and the documentary about him. I've read his work for about 10 years now from many perspectives, I would say I have a very strong grasp on his character

[Anonymous No.23150917]

>>23150899
It's based on his own words, actions and writings anon

[Anonymous No.23150919]

>>23150902
It's true though. Theodore Adorno is the prototypical example of this his homophobia and fear of hypermasculine "fascism" betray his repressed feminine homosexuality

[Anonymous No.23150920]

>>23150912
You’re trying to psychoanalyze him

[Anonymous No.23150922]

>>23150919
Sounds like you're trying to psychoanalyze

[Anonymous No.23150929]

>>23150920
Yes. And my analysis is accurate and correct

[Anonymous No.23150932]

>>23150912
Ok so you haven't actually met him or seen him from birth to grave and the only thing you have going for you are some scholars who should be working in coal mines wanting to believe that he was this repressed gay man or whatever. I think I need stronger evidence than "dude just trust me bro! He was gay! I should know!"

[Anonymous No.23150935]

>>23150929
Wrong.

[Anonymous No.23150938]

>>23150922
Yes, and my analysis is accurate and correct

[Anonymous No.23150943]

>>23150758
Someone post the image of Mishima's head where it's the guy who decapitated Mishima revealing that he nutted when he died

[Anonymous No.23150945]

>>23150932
I don't think you've ever actually engaged with any of his work if you deny that he was a gay man

[Anonymous No.23150947]

>>23150929
>you can psychoanalyze people without ever meeting them.
I know psychoanalysis is basically just magic but come on

[Anonymous No.23150949]

>>23150938
How is that possible if you think psychoanalysis is nonsense?

[Anonymous No.23150953]

>>23150935
I'm objectively correct

>>23150947
Yes you can

[Anonymous No.23150957]

>>23150945
I have though. I guess I just don't make up things about the guy for absolutely no reason. The only thing I think is that he was suicidal. I also don't believe in any inherent gayness or whatever. I think being gay is a matter of choice

[Anonymous No.23150958]

>>23150953
> I'm objectively correct
Prove it. Pro tip: You can’t.

[Anonymous No.23150959]

>>23150949
I'm not the guy you are refering to, obviously.

[Anonymous No.23150964]

>>23150758
Dying was something he was obsessed with even before the war had started in Japan, and it was largely based in fantasy. It had to be beautiful. Getting torched by a flamethrower in Okinawa isn't the beautiful fantastical death he was talking about.

[Anonymous No.23150980]

>>23150953
>Yes you can
You can in the same way that you can 'hear' me telepathically communicate with you right know. Also, I know you guys are gay and all but why is it so important to you that Mishima be gay? Moreover, why do you guys obsess with the idea of gay fascists? Do you think calling people gay will make others no longer be fascist?

[Anonymous No.23150982]

>>23150957
Would an interview with his former ladyboy lover talking about their nights out dancing at gay clubs be proof enough for you?

[Anonymous No.23150997]

>>23150982
I would prefer a first-hand confession where he says he’s “overcompensating” for his “repressed homosexuality”. This is the gap you can’t fill.

[Anonymous No.23151001]

>>23150980
It's not a need, it's literally the objectively correct understanding of his life and character, denying it means you aren't fully engaging with his work and can't understand it. Fascism has psychosexual element in it, the sadomasochistic worship of masculinity driven by the desire to dominate or be dominated by other men

[Anonymous No.23151002]

>>23150982
>Would an interview with his former ladyboy lover talking about their nights out dancing at gay clubs be proof enough for you?
No? Did he actually have sex with him or was he just doing that for books and movies? Why did he marry a woman?
>inb4 muh gay men marry women because they are cowards!
Is Mishima being bisexual not an option for you guys or do you think that bisexuality isn't a thing? Again, I don't believe in inherent gayness. I think it's purely a choice.

[Anonymous No.23151013]

>>23151001
>It's not a need, it's literally the objectively correct understanding of his life and character, denying it means you aren't fully engaging with his work and can't understand it.
You keep repeating this but it remains a baseless statement.
>Fascism has psychosexual element in it, the sadomasochistic worship of masculinity driven by the desire to dominate or be dominated by other men
Yes and marxism is post modern. I know that marxists secretely desire tp be dominated by fascists and prohect this desire onto the men whom they desire in the hopes that they will fulfill their fantasies but I have a hard time seeing the who "sadomasochistic" implications in Giovanni Gentile's writings or any other fascist work. Btw, have you heard about the women's organization of the nazi party?

[Anonymous No.23151017]

>>23150997
Brother, every expression of masculinity he puts on is an over compensating caricature. I feel like you've never earnestly looked at this man or his life story

[Anonymous No.23151029]

>>23151002
Yes he had sex with him and with many other men. He got married to please his parents and for social perceptions. It was an arranged marriage. If Mishima was bisexual he had a strong preference for men and men dressed like women.

I can't believe this is something still being denied, it's literally just a fact he was gay

[Anonymous No.23151039]

>>23151017
> over compensating
You keep throwing that word around but you simply cannot prove it. There is no contradiction.

[Anonymous No.23151044]

>>23151017
>Brother, every expression of masculinity he puts on is an over compensating caricature.
how do you know it's that and not narcissistic tendency and him visiting gay bars wasn't just a way for him to get validation wherever it may be. The only people who desperately want an author to be this gay are simply gay themselves. I feel like you are psychotic and incapable of giving other people the benefit of the doubt. the truth is that you can never fully know another person. Even Self-knowledge is always suspect. And you haven't even met Mishima. You just read hand-picked accounts about him. none of which mention gay relationships. It's more likely that you simply want Mishima to have been gay or to be perceived as gay. You also think he was a fascist for some reason but you use the word fascism in the same way some boomer uses the word communism.

[Anonymous No.23151046]

>>23151013
It's based in the reality of his own words and actions anon. You haven't ever engaged with those ideologies and their manifestations in any type of sincere way unclouded by your own personal desire to have these works confirm your own beliefs and biases

[Anonymous No.23151053]

>>23151029
>Yes he had sex with him and with many other men.
can you prove this?
> He got married to please his parents and for social perceptions.
can you prove this?
Can you prove anything?
>I can't believe this is something still being denied, it's literally just a fact he was gay
You are being very silly. Maybe you're overcompensating. Did you, like, write a thesis about Mishima being gay and the fact that people don't buy into this retarded hypothesis just makes you feel like you need to defend yourself and your baseless belief?

[Anonymous No.23151062]

>>23151046
>It's based in the reality of his own words and actions anon
ok, prove it.
>You haven't ever engaged with those ideologies and their manifestations in any type of sincere way unclouded by your own personal desire to have these works confirm your own beliefs and biases
I have, actually. You however have not and cannot I'm afraid.

[Anonymous No.23151068]

>>23151044
I know he was gay because of all the gay sex he was known to have and because of the clear descriptions of homosexual adoration throughout many of his stories. I don't know how you can read his books and not see it. If you're willing to watch it, I can show you an interview with his ladyboy lover describing their relationship together

[Anonymous No.23151072]

>>23151039
Look at the picture I posted. Look at his other modeling

[Anonymous No.23151086]

>>23151068
>I know he was gay because of all the gay sex he was known to have
News to me. Do you have relevant citations? Also, you are starting to sound extremely angry for some reason.
>and because of the clear descriptions of homosexual adoration throughout many of his stories.
can you give examples of these adorations? Also, is a girl who admires her own beauty or the beauty of another woman, perhaps in an ad for some make-up, a lesbian in essence?
>I don't know how you can read his books and not see it.
It's very easy! I don't leap across the two hemispheres to retarded conclusions lol.
>If you're willing to watch it, I can show you an interview with his ladyboy lover describing their relationship together
Why not? It would be your first attempt at providing evidence at least.

[Anonymous No.23151094]

>>23151072
>Look at the picture I posted. Look at his other modeling
how does this prove that he is doing the made-up thing you accuse him of doing? What if he was just a raging narcissist seeking for some validation?

[Anonymous No.23151096]

>>23151053
>>23151062
What have you actually ever read of Mishima? How can you be this attached to him as a writer yet be in complete denial of his homosexuality?

[Anonymous No.23151108]

You know, the older I get, the more I begin to understand that no amount of identity, or culture, or self-anything will ever truly shed the scorn of someone dedicated to belittling or mocking the weird, the meek and the undesirable. I've watched time and time again how these ineffectual males take up things because they felt some desire to "improve" or otherwise validate themselves in the eyes of those who, for some inherent reason, decided to be aggressive toward them, and every time those inferior men are ultimately mocked anyway, and the things they decide to take up or otherwise hold dear or in high regard, the alleged key to improving their self worth, becomes something that is ultimately mocked by the privileged caste as well. Stoicism, atheism, shallow things like certain articles of clothes, various accessories, hobbies, viewpoints, political stances, it really doesn't matter. Human beings are such inherently tribal organisms, and they all rely upon their best (or at least most confident, and best-attuned to tearing others down) as a proverbial yardstick for measuring the quality of a man in ways that forever lie totally outside of the man's power. Anyone who is inherently mocked will remain inherently mocked regardless of what he thinks or does, forever. His spirit is hexed by its own inherent inadequacy. No different from nature bearing down upon the weak until they perish. It's truly fascinating to watch doomed men crumble in this same reliable way.

[Anonymous No.23151112]

>>23151096
>What have you actually ever read of Mishima?
I'm read frolic of beasts rn, thanks for asking!
>How can you be this attached to him as a writer yet be in complete denial of his homosexuality?
attached? Are you delusional? The only person here who is clearly attached is you. I simply have an aversion to baseless assumptions and by extension internet psychoanalysts. Bigger psychotics I have yet to find.

[Anonymous No.23151118]

>>23151108
Who are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.23151119]

>>23151086
Watch this documentary, and reread Confessions of a Mask

https://youtu.be/xztvS8eks4U?si=AdFkMQFqQ9Sfu7sW

[Anonymous No.23151122]

>>23151112
It's based in his own real life, his actions and his writings

[Anonymous No.23151124]

>>23151119
I'll do it some other time. But since you have watched it you should be able to elucidate with absolute certainty that Mishima was in fact gay Even though as of now you have not proven your case.

[Anonymous No.23151131]

>>23151094
You honestly cannot see any aspect of desperately trying to over compensate in any of his body building or modeling?

[Anonymous No.23151132]

>>23151122
>It's based in his own real life, his actions and his writings
What is? Your assumption that he was gay? Ok, can you prove it without just endlessly repeating yourself or will you eventually have to admit that you simply do not have any authority to decide whether this dead author whom you are clearly attached to by the hip, was gay?

[Anonymous No.23151153]

>>23151131
>You honestly cannot see any aspect of desperately trying to over compensate in any of his body building or modeling?
No? Why should I do that? maybe compensation isn't even real and you are just trying to fix some unseen cause to explain someone's behavior, treating them like an object instead of as a person who willingly decides. Maybe you are actually autistic. And you haven't even explained why the Narcissistic angle isn't correct. They certainly seem equipollent at the moment.

[Anonymous No.23151159]

>>23151124
He patroned all male Kabuki theater performances so he could fuck the ladyboys who played the women roles, and he wrote Confessions of a Mask, a self reflective story about a repressed homosexual with increasingly sadistic sexual fantasies

[Anonymous No.23151164]

>>23151132
See
>>23151119
Then get back to me

[Anonymous No.23151170]

>>23151159
>He patroned all male Kabuki theater performances so he could fuck the ladyboys who played the women roles,
again, can you actually provide clear evidence?

[Anonymous No.23151180]

>>23151170
Dude, do you want a fucking porno of Mishima fucking men?

[Anonymous No.23151182]

>>23151164
see>>23151124
now get back to me. Also, are you gay?
>>23151180
I want pictures! Pictures of Spiderman!
any evidence will do.

[Anonymous No.23151183]

>>23151153
He was an extremely small and sickly boy who was chastised for having effeminate interests constantly, causing him to have a deep seated insecurity about his masculinity manifesting in him constantly trying to portray himself in a hyper masculine fashion.

[Anonymous No.23151192]

>>23151183
Ok? And this makes him gay how exactly?
Also, I don't buy this autistic causal relation. I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt.

[Anonymous No.23151195]

>>23151182
I posted a video that's an extremely well done documentary about his life with an interview of his ladyboy lover, you could watch that for evidence.

[Anonymous No.23151196]

>>23151183
also, what if that actually just made him narcissistic?

[Anonymous No.23151198]

>>23151195
Ok, I'll do it later, but since you have clearly seen it you should be able to use your knowledge to give certain evidence for why we should consider Mishima to have been gay instead of straight or bi.

[Anonymous No.23151203]

>>23150758
He was unhinged.

[Anonymous No.23151205]

>>23151203
A retard, even. Japs will read fucking anything

[Anonymous No.23151207]

>>23151198
His intense life long passion towards the beauty of men and masculinity in his writings and little to no interest in women unless they were men expressing femininity through cross dressing

[Anonymous No.23151209]

>>23151192
He's gay because of the gay sex he loved to have.

>>23151196
Why do you think narcissism is detached from this particular manifestation of his psychology?

[Anonymous No.23151217]

>>23151207
>His intense life long passion towards the beauty of men and masculinity in his writings and little to no interest in women unless they were men expressing femininity through cross dressing
Again, is a woman who admires the beauty of another women, like in an ad for some make-up product, essentially a lesbian? Also, did Dostoevsky want to kill his landlady? What if Mishima was just making fun of faggots or something? It sure sounds like it. The guy in the book comes across as an absolute loser.
>Why do you think narcissism is detached from this particular manifestation of his psychology?
it could be. Maybe all gay men are also narcissists but it could be that he was simply seeking validation wherever he could find it. But, since gayness is a choice and there is no evidence that he ever had gay sex, I don't see any reason to believe your assumption

[Anonymous No.23151218]

>>23151192
Why would a straight man write a story like Confessions of a Mask and make the protagonist have so many life experiences drawn directly from his own life?

[Anonymous No.23151225]

>>23151218
Idk? again, I don't believe in inherent gayness like you I suppose. being gay is a choice.

[Anonymous No.23151228]

>>23151217
That's what your theory is? That Mishima wrote extremely detailed stories about homosexuality, spent a lot of time dancing at gay clubs and dated ladyboys as a joke to make fun of gay men?

[Anonymous No.23151239]

>>23151225
Well he chose to write long detailed descriptions of gay sexual fantasies he had

[Anonymous No.23151251]

>>23151228
>That Mishima wrote extremely detailed stories about homosexuality, spent a lot of time dancing at gay clubs and dated ladyboys as a joke to make fun of gay men?
I think Mishima never actually had gay sex. I simply don't jump to conclusions nor see the point in this manic obsession with an author's sexuality. I haven't read much and honestly probably won't read much more from him if Frolic is anything to go by. Btw, was did he also have the hots for mature women?

[Anonymous No.23151254]

>>23151217
How many straight men publish modeling photos like this anon?

[Anonymous No.23151257]

>>23151239
>Well he chose to write long detailed descriptions of gay sexual fantasies he had
Really? Which books are you referring to? Just Mask?

[Anonymous No.23151258]

>>23151254
Probably some. Women post pictures like that all the time. Are they lesbians?

[Anonymous No.23151261]

>>23151251
His sexuality and sexual fantasies are core aspects of his writing anon. Eroticism was one of the main things he was fixated on. To understand his work you have to understand his sexuality. He had fantasies about being dominated by cruel and violent older women, yes.

[Anonymous No.23151266]

>>23151258
If they wrote a book about a repressed homosexual struggling with her sexual identity and made the protagonist extremely similar to herself I would assume she's a lesbian yes

[Anonymous No.23151267]

>>23151261
He seems very dominating and cruel to Yuko, anon. I don't think there's much to understand.

[Anonymous No.23151272]

>>23151266
ok. But posting pictures is fine?

[Anonymous No.23151278]

Mishima was what all gay men shut be: silent and working toward either their own deaths or the destruction of progressives.

[Anonymous No.23151286]

>>23150932
>Ok so you haven't actually met him or seen him from birth to grave
Is this what you say when anyone writes a biography on someone? Do you just hate biographies? My god, you must be one of the biggest retards I've ever seen on this board. You are a shining example of brain rot.

[Anonymous No.23151292]

>>23151278
He wasn't silent at all, he enjoyed passionate gay sex with many men

[Anonymous No.23151299]

>>23151286
All biographies are in some way propaganda. The simple truth is that you can never fully know another person more than they know themselves. And they cannot even know themselves with much certainty either.

[Anonymous No.23151307]

>>23151292
I'm sure you masturbate to the thought. My point is that he never paraded it around like fags do today. Plus, he got married and had children so he was more than likely just bi and not gay. The idea of the married gay man is pure fantasy and makes no sense. Best of all, he eventually killed himself.

[Anonymous No.23151311]

>>23151292
leftist men*

[Anonymous No.23151320]

>>23151311
You will never truly understand the world around you or gain any true insight because of how poisoned your perceptions have become

[Anonymous No.23151326]

>>23151307
It's not pure fantasy because Mishima was in fact one of them

[Anonymous No.23151333]

>>23151320
Mishima was a giant homofascist who fucked a lot of leftist men in the ass. Why does this bother you?

Also, you are projecting. You are clearly a solid case of a perceiver forgetting himself as a perceiver.

[Anonymous No.23151339]

>>23151326
Yeah yeah, Now explain how he managed to have sex with his wife enough to have two children with her. Are you one of those weirdos who doesn't believe in bisexuality? You are an actual retard.

[Anonymous No.23151356]

>>23151339
He was a very disciplined and dutiful man

[Anonymous No.23151368]

>>23151356
He chose to have sex with his wife and got hard doing it. He was bi. No go and kill yourself like your bisexual hero.

[Anonymous No.23151371]

>>23151333
When did your whole world become consumed by the culture war?

[Anonymous No.23151375]

>ITT

[Anonymous No.23151379]

>>23151371
never? Also, Mishima, a giagantic homofascist (not my words) fucked and dominated a lot of leftist men and they liked it. They like talking about it endlessly to this very day.

[Anonymous No.23151380]

>>23151368
He had to have this painting in the room with him to keep it up

[Anonymous No.23151390]

>>23151379
You're insecure about a notable right wing nationalist hero being gay so you're injecting a weird made up culture war narrative into it that he was fucking leftist men in the ass to try and save face.

[Anonymous No.23151396]

>>23151390
>You're insecure about a notable right wing nationalist hero being gay
No. I just think you are a retard. I literally do not care about Mishima. What the fuck even is "right-wing"? Like wow, you want the emperor to have power? Great! are you going to actually do somethin- oh he killed himself.

Also, he fucked tons of leftist men and they loved it because they love getting fucked by strong homofascists with soft sides or something.

[Anonymous No.23151403]

>>23151390
My man, you are actually autistic. You brought this on yourself since you started raving about how he was gay from the very start of this thread.

[Anonymous No.23151404]

>>23151396
Where are you getting the leftist aspect from?

[Anonymous No.23151406]

>>23151375
Is that image a big funking meme cope lmfaooo.

[Anonymous No.23151408]

>>23151404
Gay men who do not repress themselves tend to follow the ideology that accepts their behavior and even glorifies it. It's not that hard to figure out. Most gays today are left-wingers.

[Anonymous No.23151410]

>>23151403
It's not raving to point out a well known and crucial aspect of his personality that influences his work heavily

[Anonymous No.23151412]

>>23151339
maybe he closed his eyes and thought od england? i myself am bisexual but i'm still aware that it's possible for a gay man to impregnate a woman. the reason i maintain that he was gay and not bi is because of confessions of a mask, in which the hero REPEATEDLY states that he is exclusively attracted to men. i can't picture a bisexual writing a book in which everything that happened to him IRL happens to a monosexual.

[Anonymous No.23151415]

>>23151408
He was having gay sex in mid century post war Japan though

[Anonymous No.23151417]

>>23151410
It is. You are ultimately assuming that he based his entire corpus on his bisexuality. including his story where the protagonist is in a relationship with a mature woman. Even when Mishima denied that Mask was autobiographical. You just have a very inflexible image of an author in your mind and refuse to look at anything outside it or flirt with other possibilities because you are actually autistic.
You are also a retard who believes in psychoanalysis.

[Anonymous No.23151429]

>>23151417
And you're in denial of the devastatingly obvious facts of his life because you don't want him to be gay.

[Anonymous No.23151431]

>>23151415
>He was having gay sex in mid century post war Japan though
yeah? and he was doing it with leftists.
>>23151412
> i myself am bisexual
nah, you're gay.
> i'm still aware that it's possible for a gay man to impregnate a woman.
how? I mean, I know that the progressive conception of sexuality is retarded and you guys don't actually know what you are talking about but still.
> i can't picture a bisexual writing a book in which everything that happened to him IRL happens to a monosexual.
Well, you are autistic so.

[Anonymous No.23151440]

>>23151429
My man, have you been reading my post? I don't care if Mishima was gay or bi. If he was gay then he was a good kind of gay because he ultimately got married and killed himself. Overall, I think he was a loser.

[Anonymous No.23151447]

>>23151431
There wasn't a culture of leftists like that in Japan anon.

[Anonymous No.23151449]

>>23151440
Yeah, they've all been uniformed with bad takes

[Anonymous No.23151452]

>>23151447
Like what? Men who openly identify as being gay or are unashamed of it I automatically assume are leftists since progressives accept gays. It's simply bayesian inference.

[Anonymous No.23151457]

>>23151452
There weren't leftists or progressives who accepted homosexuality openly in 1950s Japan

[Anonymous No.23151462]

>>23151449
Not so. I think you are just very dogmatic and rigidly autistic to think otherwise. You still haven't explained Frolic and it seems like you haven't even read it.
>>23151457
Down-low then. Point is, if Mishima was having gay sex, then he was doing it with progressives.

[Anonymous No.23151467]

>>23151417
>Even when Mishima denied that Mask was autobiographical
did he? i've heard it said here that he called it autobiographical in letters to kawabata. when did he deny it?
>>23151431
>nah, you're gay.
i have had and enjoyed sex with both men and women
>how?
they're gay, not sterile. like i said, close your eyes and think of england, and, as another anon said, mishima was disciplined and dutiful. it's not difficult for a young man in good physical condition to get and maintain an erection. he probably just pictured hot sweaty dudes while he did it. if that didn't work he could even have turkey basted her.
>Well, you are autistic
do you think a straight man would spend months working on a book that depicts as convincingly as possible as a bisexual? of course not, it would serve no purpose other than forcing him to spend the rest of his life explaining that he is not bisexual, even though he wrote a book explaining that he was.

[Anonymous No.23151472]

>>23150758
When you’re going through this thread and listening to all these armchair psychologist fags or leftists insulting someone as great as Mishima, remember this quote by him.

[Anonymous No.23151473]

>>23151462
He was having gay sex with men performing in traditional Japanese Kabuki theater, who were men specifically interested in resurrecting and preserving traditional Japanese culture

[Anonymous No.23151481]

>>23151472
It's not insulting him to accurately explain his psychology

[Anonymous No.23151486]

>>23151467
>they're gay, not sterile. like i said, close your eyes and think of england, and, as another anon said, mishima was disciplined and dutiful. it's not difficult for a young man in good physical condition to get and maintain an erection.
yes, and if he managed to do that then he had the hots for his wife. I don't know why that is hard for you to accept. Being gay is not an essential trait after all.

>do you think a straight man would spend months working on a book that depicts as convincingly as possible as a bisexual?
Do I have to think for you? I am telling you that he was probably bisexual. You were the one who said that he was only gay and always tried to fit in retarded hypotheticals to deny the possibility of him being bisexual.

This is a waste of time. You're too retarded.

[Anonymous No.23151492]

>>23151481
You cannot accurately explain his psychology. The image of him that you see is something that you have created. That's how it always is with everyone. People who deny this are just psychotic control-freaks, which leftists ironically tend to be. Those who cannot accept the very idea of anyone other than them having any more authority than them tend to be massively insecure control freaks once they get their hands on their much-coveted power. They cannot trust and ergo cannot even love.

[Anonymous No.23151496]

>>23151473
Leftists love consuming traditional media, what are you talking about? Do you think leftists actually create anything of their own? Have you ever been to the Globe recently?

[Anonymous No.23151501]

>>23151486
>yes, and if he managed to do that then he had the hots for his wife.
not true, as i explained in the bit you elected to omit. you are not arguing in good faith.
>>23151486
>I am telling you that he was probably bisexual.
i still saying that he was 100% gay. the purpose of the hypothetical was to show that just a straight man would not write a book describing himself as bi, a bi man would not write a book describing himself as gay.
>This is a waste of time. You're too retarded.
how yould you feel if you hadn't had brealfast this morning?

[Anonymous No.23151511]

>>23151501
>not true, as i explained in the bit you elected to omit.
you mean, the silly hypothetical?
>you are not arguing in good faith.
You are not acting in good faith.
Also, take a breather, I can barely read your text. And Mishima is writing a character whose name isn't Mishima. Honestly, believe whatever you want. The main reason your doing this is probably just because you see Mishima as being a "right-wing" author or whatever and him being bisexual or gay is somehow corrupting. Then you accuse others of culture war. You are autistic, I'm afraid.

[Anonymous No.23151513]

>>23151492
I can and I have. You on the other hand cannot accurately understand the world around you because of culture war brain rot

[Anonymous No.23151519]

>>23151511
>The main reason your doing this (arguing that Mishima was gay) is probably just because you (a bisexual) see Mishima as being a "right-wing" author or whatever and him being bisexual or gay is somehow corrupting.
you are a dunderhead.

[Anonymous No.23151521]

>>23151513
>I can and I have.
You cannot, I'm afraid, know with any certainty.
>You on the other hand cannot accurately understand the world around you because of culture war brain rot
If that helps you sleep at night. At least I admit that I cannot read other people's minds. You however think you can know everything about everyone better even than themselves despite never even having met them. That sounds pretty psychotic.

[Anonymous No.23151523]

>>23151511
He was in stone cold objective reality a homosexual and a right wing political activist

[Anonymous No.23151527]

>>23150791
So you're saying the American Civil War is the only good American war/ intervening conflict? That's pretty progressive, Anon

[Anonymous No.23151528]

>>23151472
Exactly right.

>>23151481
You're not explaining his, he already explained his, you're explaining your own. Read that quote again. He cut you off at the pass.

[Anonymous No.23151531]

>>23151521
I can interpret basic facts about a person based on their own words and actions without having to filter all of my perceptions through seething cultural anger towards leftists like you do

[Anonymous No.23151534]

>>23151523
Ok, then he was a good homosexual. Like I said. He also probably dominated a lot of gay leftist men.

[Anonymous No.23151536]

Dumbest thread I've read in a while

[Anonymous No.23151537]

>>23151534
Why do you believe he had sex with leftist men?

[Anonymous No.23151538]

>>23151531
>I can interpret basic facts about a person based on their own words and actions
evidently not since you filter out the part where he says that Mask is not an autobiography and the fact that you have yet to give certain evidence that he actually had sex with gay men or did any of the silly hypotheticals when fucking his wife like you assume. You are just autistic, and that's a fact.
>without having to filter all of my perceptions through seething cultural anger towards leftists like you do
Correct, for you, it's "right-wingers".

[Anonymous No.23151539]

>>23151528
I am explaining his psychology

[Anonymous No.23151543]

>>23151537
Are you a goldfish? Use that scroll bar because I'm going to sleep. Good luck attracting your dream homofascist btw.

[Anonymous No.23151545]

>>23151536
nonsense. it's only the dumbest thread we've had since the last mishima sexuality thread.

[Anonymous No.23151548]

>>23151521
>You however think you can know everything about everyone better even than themselves despite never even having met them
He counters you here:
>>23151531

[Anonymous No.23151551]

>>23151539
Baseless statement. Again. Yawn.

[Anonymous No.23151554]

>>23151548
Is this actual autism?

[Anonymous No.23151556]

>>23151554
end of counter <-- counter end here

[Anonymous No.23151560]

>>23151539
No you're not. Even your assumptions of homosexuality being anti masculine are baseless and rooted in a post modern atmosphere. You have nothing so far.

[Anonymous No.23151561]

>>23150892
>impressed by freshman level psychoanalysis
thanks for reminding me I'm on /lit/

[Anonymous No.23151575]

>>23151538
You're so mind broken you cannot even conceive of a person not being owned by the culture war like you are

[Anonymous No.23151576]

>>23151561
Right lmao it's painful

[Anonymous No.23151582]

>>23151560
He liked to have sex with cross dressers

[Anonymous No.23151583]

>>23151575
There is no culture war. I am just open in my beliefs.

[Anonymous No.23151588]

>>23151582
As do you, I'm sure. By the way, are you autistic? Because it seems like you are incapable of reading other people's posts and understanding them.

[Anonymous No.23151633]

>>23151001
>the desire to dominate or be dominated by other men
Sounds like fighting.
>well fighting is ACTUALLY about sex and-
Nah. Don't buy it.

[Anonymous No.23151639]

>>23151582
As a top. ;)

[Anonymous No.23151781]

I wonder, why does this thread happen constantly? Or a better question, why does it pertain Mishima only though?
Why not Oscar Wilde, Virginia Woolf, or even Herman Melville even though if you really want to have a gay discussion?
There are so many authors known for writing homoerotic literatures and have accusations of same-sex lovers as well, why is it always Mishima and just autistically bickering about the quality of evidence kind of nonsense?

[Anonymous No.23151792]

>>23151781
It's because anons here are more likely to have a parasocial relationship with Mishima as opposed to the authors you listed, thus have an emotional investment in his supposed sexuality.

[Anonymous No.23151812]

>>23151792
Ah, so it's just another pathetic episode of "owning the chuds" by calling people they like gay. Very compelling. Hate to pop your delusions like the ruby heart of a dissected kitten, but Mishima was right, as in correct, first and foremost.

[Anonymous No.23151841]

>>23151792
But why Mishima, why not over Baudelaire or even F. Scott Fitgerald instead though? They may not have a cultish, death-worshipping magnetism or Mishima, but they are quite valuable works of art regardless.
>>23151812
>You are only saying he's gay because of cultrue war
And so the cat comes out of the bag, thanks for showing everybody here that you are here for a culture war rather than a legitimate argument.

[Anonymous No.23151961]

>>23150758
the industrial revolution and its consequences has been a disaster for warfare and by extension, for all men.
>>23150980
>fascism is when you're a japanese ultranationalist
learn words

[Anonymous No.23151975]

>>23151258
>women and mens are sexually fungible
retard

[Anonymous No.23151995]

>>23151258
>man engages in behaviour designed to attract the attention of men
gay
>women engage in behaviour designed to attract men
not gay

[Anonymous No.23152153]

>>23151001
>Fascism has psychosexual element in it, the sadomasochistic worship of masculinity driven by the desire to dominate or be dominated by other men
It's always funny to me when Marxists get flustered by the mention of fascism in any tone that's not scathing, and they start weaving these nonsensical spells at you. Bro, you're not gonna conjure the ghost of some French pedophile to save you from the fascism energies.

[Anonymous No.23152178]

>>23150997
Exactly. If Mishima is such a closeted homosexual why isnt there a "Confessions" book where he confesses to wearing a mask of hyper-masculinuty and violence to compensate for being a weak, effate homosexual? He never wrote a book about being a sickly child who would fetishize the healtheir, more robust young men in his class. In that same book he never talks about masturbating to violent homoerotic imagery like the maryterdom of Saint Sebastian. He certainly doesnt discuss his feelings of inadequacy in seeing his healtheir more viral male classmates die in war while he stays behind the front lines due to his weak and effeminate nature, and how that manifested itself in twisted sexual pathologies. There is no such confession because Mishima never wore a mask. He was exactly the muscle bound, motorcycle riding, film noir protaganist he presented himself as in later life, and I'm sick of these pseuds pretending to psycho-analyse a man theyve never even read.

[Anonymous No.23152193]

>>23150802
That GIF is easily still the worst one I've seen, I just hate it

[Anonymous No.23152201]

>>23150844
>;_;
Back to /tttt/.

[Anonymous No.23152216]

>>23150784
>>23150895
>People who say this are just want a strong homofascist to fuck them. Also, psychoanalysis is nonsense.
Correct. However, Mishima still was a massive cum-guzzling gay faggot who longed for impalement by a sword because impalement by a dick was no longer doing it to his absolutely busted boypussy.

[Anonymous No.23152219]

>>23150758
Read Confession of the Maks. Mishima is degenerate faggot who needed to see shrink

[Anonymous No.23152225]

>>23150784
fpbp

[Anonymous No.23152228]

>>23150791
You're already a slave to the Jews and yet you prefer that to dying in the effort of overthrowing your slave masters. Interesting.

[Anonymous No.23152237]

>>23151112
Have you read Confessions of a Mask? Or Forbidden Colors? I get it. You identify with Mishima because you think you’re a neurotic special snowflake, but to defend his honor as a straight man is so foolish. Especially when his homosexuality is so blatantly obvious in his work.

[Anonymous No.23152298]

>>23150802
>mfw i saw a video of a baby being violently sodomized a few years ago on /b/
>masturbation is still to this day something that I do out of necessity with indifference and disgust

[Anonymous No.23152299]

This is the worst Mishima thread I have ever read.

[Anonymous No.23152529]

>>23150895
>there is no true self

Source: my repressing ass

[Anonymous No.23152548]

>>23150895
Imagine being this afraid of oneself. Grim.

[Anonymous No.23152590]

>>23150784
On point. However what is it that's forcing you to argue with reactionaries for an entire thread? Do you truly think you can rationally convince anyone of anything? Beliefs are rooted in emotions, you should know that psychoanalysis guy, and you're not resolving them for them.
Seems like you just want to be more "correct" than the retarded masses, missing the fact you end up joining them in doing that.

[Anonymous No.23152607]

>>23151183
you you feel that mish was not secure in his manhood later in life? he seems like he did whatever the fuck he wanted once he became ripped. it's hard to call a man insecure when he debates a whole auditorium of his politcal opponents. i think your description applies only to the very young mishima and is incomplete without acknowledging that he grew out of it.

[Anonymous No.23152624]

>>23152590
>Seems like you just want to be more "correct" than the retarded masses, missing the fact you end up joining them in doing that.

I mean that's what the whole education system is based on. By all means call people out for this, but I still struggle with these thoughts. Don't forget that for the entity of their formative years, we put children in camps where they are forced to compete with their peers. As if life is some sort of game show.
The internet is an extension of the classroom because people are molded during their critical development.

[Anonymous No.23152652]

>>23152193
It's either that or the brick of destiny through the windshield
Both are Russian, iirc.

[Anonymous No.23152852]

>>23150784
Mishima was NOT effeminate, he had a strong sense of honor and discipline

[Anonymous No.23152863]

>>23152529
There is no true self. You cannot even begin to point it out. Sartre already dragged Freud through the mud and back with this nonsense
>>23152548
What are you talking about? Do you want to get fucked by a big strong homofascist?

[Anonymous No.23152865]

>>23152237
>You identify with Mishima
No? I've barely read him unlike this other guy who I was talking to since he's clearly obsessed with him. I'm not defending his honor. I'm just being skeptical about this guy's adulation of Mishima.

[Anonymous No.23152876]

>>23151841
My man. You accuse others of what you are doing. You were the one to imply that the only reason people like him was because he was gay. Your autism is obvious

[Anonymous No.23152903]

You know. I used to think that I could never be friends with homosexuals. Then I read Mishima and said:
"Well, technically he's bi."

[Anonymous No.23152994]

>>23152903
KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK.

[Anonymous No.23153113]

>>23150784
retarded and reductionist take that only people who havent read mishima would make
its just as dense as the people that assume he was just an ordinary right winger
one of the greatest authors that ever lived and all people care about is how to reduce him into one single sentence to cover up the fact that they DID NOT FUCKING READ HIS BOOKS

[Anonymous No.23153397]

>>23152298
thats terrible anon
>>23150802
i remember that, i wonder if the shithead was actually targeting it

[Anonymous No.23153408]

>>23153397
You cant target that, it was just a cosmic fuck you to that man and woman in particular.
Also a warning for people to properly secure their cargo

[Anonymous No.23153438]

>>23150758
i know war is not cool because i played metal gear solid.

[Anonymous No.23153439]

>>23152876
>My man. You accuse others of what you are doing.
Anon, please tell me in which ways am I particpating? Also, please try to think what kind of benefits that people might have as well; because under any circumstances, the LGBTQIJKL+ stretching reality to claim Mishima would make no sense whatsoever.
Think about it, would they really want to claim a far-right emperor-loyalist who commited seppuku after a poorly thought out coup?
I find that highly unlikely, but what is more likely is that you are an autist who severely lacks nuance and considers anybody saying men like Mishima or Ernst Roehm is gay is a mudslinging tactic to paint the whole far right as gay.
>You were the one to imply that the only reason people like him was because he was gay.
I have only posted two times thus far, you can recognize me since I am the only person to post image in an IMAGEBOARD.
Now tell me, when do I say people like Mishima only because he's gay?
In fact, all of the authors have listed so far have celebrated works that goes beyond their gayness.
Instead, I was merely asking, why are you lots so obsessed with the sliver of possibility that Mishima is straight is the question. You don't see this behavior with any of the other gay-contested (to varying degrees) authors, but you see it everytime with Mishima thread.
>Your autism is obvious
Of course, anon, this is not normienet, you should have expected that when coming to this godforsaken location.
Here have a CYOA for your trouble :)

[Anonymous No.23153562]

>>23153439
I mistook you for another person then. Sorry for making you write those paragraphs but you could have just stated the obvious.
Also, Mishima was bi, we've been over this.

[Anonymous No.23153592]

>>23153562
Bi with an extremely heavy preference for men and only engaged with a wife out of social obligations

[Anonymous No.23153598]

>>23150758
>Mishima then committed seppuku, a form of ritual suicide by disembowelment associated with the samurai. Morita had been assigned to serve as Mishima's second (kaishakunin), cutting off his head with a sword at the end of the rite to spare him unnecessary pain. However, Morita proved unable to complete his task, and after three failed attempts to sever Mishima's head, Koga had to step in and complete the task
Lol everyone always talks about his faggotry but his pathetic attempt to overthrown Japanese government and his suicide/death is actually hilarious

[Anonymous No.23153604]

>>23150802
is it bad i want to see it now? why does morbid curiosity exist?

[Anonymous No.23153605]

>>23153604
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iazTQVi1CEE
It's on Youtube. But be warned, it'll ruin your day

[Anonymous No.23153617]

>>23150784
The simple truth, I wonder why PewDiePie is a fan tho

[Anonymous No.23153622]

>>23153592
Mayhaps. Propably not because being gay is purely a choice and since he chose to have sex with his wife enough to have children with her and he denied that mask was autobiographical, we can at best say that he was simply bi and that he would never have fucked your fat ass had you been with him sorry

[Anonymous No.23153636]

>>23153439
>You don't see this behavior with any of the other gay-contested (to varying degrees) authors, but you see it everytime with Mishima thread.
It's largely your perception but there's a lot of people who really want to believe that his sexuality was the only thing relevant to his writing even though Mishima himself denied it. They also usually couch this with degredations to his character by essentially calling him a dysgenic loser. I know that most people probably naturally see homosexuals in this way for whatever reason, but it doesn't hold up in my opinion and is honestly extremely lazy.

[Anonymous No.23153639]

>>23151375
this might be true
hand holding is pretty common in old male friendship but if you show something like that to a westerner he's like oh gay

[Anonymous No.23153643]

>>23152624
What if being in contact with others just automatically causes this competitiveness?

[Anonymous No.23153646]

>>23153622
Your weird emotional hangups with gayness and leftism makes it so you can ever have good or accurate takes on any subject

[Anonymous No.23153651]

>>23153617
have you seen his PUBG bridge incident? his online identity is clearly some sort of persona as well

[Anonymous No.23153653]

>>23153646
What do you mean by "emotional hangups"? I'm perfectly correct.
>>23153636
This

[Anonymous No.23153658]

>>23153651
What the fuck is a persona? Is that like a video game or something?

[Anonymous No.23153671]

>>23150802
doesn't seem absurd

[Anonymous No.23153699]

>>23150758
Beautiful deaths peaked in the bronze age when you could die from a single stab to a vital area for a small city state that respected your sacrifice.

[Anonymous No.23153726]

>>23153653
Are you the weirdo who was insisting that Mishima dominated leftist gays for whatever reason?
If so, I want to ask, tell me what leftists are, since it looks like you are associating the japanese gays with western gays, but you need to remember that the contexts between the two are extremely different.
For one, the modern Japanese government didn't really criminalized homosexual behaviors like the US did at the period, so no real revolutioanary incentives are present. If you meant them being neoliberal pawn pieces, then you should know that the liberal government is pretty conservative in Japan you know.
>>23153636
I understand your frustration of people trying to degrade Mishima in a lazy way like this, but I don't think denying he's gay (or at least attracted men) is the way to go with it. Personally I would just try and force them to formulate their arguments better (surprisingly, a great way to chase away trolls in my experience).
I don't really love Mishima but good luck to you nonetheless Mishima-stans.

[Anonymous No.23153751]

>>23153726
Do we know whether Mishima had copious amount of gay sex like that one anon kept repeating ad nauseum to everyone in the thread or do we know it in the same way that I know that he fucked leftist gays which rubbed that autist the wrong way as I intended?
If you must know, I don't really care. But progressive obsession with "homofascism" is something I consider a sport to ridicule.

[Anonymous No.23153768]

>>23150842
Sounds like the Jewish critic was right then

[Anonymous No.23153912]

>>23150784
as a non-homo right winger i agree

[Anonymous No.23154116]

>>23151108
Jesus, is this yours?
I've read maybe five effortposts in my tenure that have truly said something and this is one of them.

Sauce if not original

[Anonymous No.23154161]

>>23150787
Beheading someone with a sword isn't very aesthetic if you ask me

[Anonymous No.23154175]

>>23150791
Only if you are a landowner with at least several tenths of peasant heads to your name.

[Anonymous No.23154594]

I think we can all agree that his fixation on being stabbed to death as an erotic art is cool as hell

[Anonymous No.23154618]

>>23150758
>Glorifies death in war
>Doesn't even die in war
>Instead attempts to commit ritual suicide in the name of the emperor (he just made them uncomfortable)
>Trusts one of his twink lovers to give the coup de grace, who apparently was so nervous that he did a bad job and required several painful swipes
>Die looking like an autist for a cause that everyone had already gotten over decades ago
>Makes the news for five minutes and then everybody forgets.

[Anonymous No.23154621]

>>23150758
Glorification of war is generally written by people who've either never been near one themselves, or by men who have become so broken by what they saw and did that confrontation with the internal is impossible.
Most honest veterans despise war, and realize they were duped: they fought for an eventual peace that never comes.

[Anonymous No.23154630]

>>23154618
It's poetic really. One of his femboy Kabuki actor former lovers did an interview talking about seeing it on the news and understanding what he did and feeling proud of him that he achieved the unity of pen and sword he always wanted. It was a spiritual war he fought

[Anonymous No.23154834]

>>23150842
>t. Pollack who saw some dash wave aesthetics memes about him but never read him
He was the faggiest of all fags and his sole redeeming characteristic (besides the fascist larping which is cool) was how open and sincere he was about how I fly and deranged the homosexual mind is (confessions of a mask)

[Anonymous No.23154839]

>>23150758
yukio mishima was a pseudo intellectual who said nothing of substance. it was all just nonsensical gibberish

[Anonymous No.23154872]

Mishima wasn’t gay he was a narcissist, granted these are usually comorbidités. He loved attention wherever it came from which is what fuelled his success and his death. He was banging dudes and teenage girls simultaneously.

[Anonymous No.23154882]

>>23154872
No straight man would write deep and descriptive gay sexual fantasies like Mishima did

[Anonymous No.23154887]

>>23154882
Yeah man the dude that banged dudes wrote about wanting to bang dudes

[Anonymous No.23154934]

>>23150758

[Anonymous No.23155156]

>>23154934
Lmao who is the right guy tho?

[Anonymous No.23155159]

>>23150758
People will hate on >>23150784 but he is correct. Same with Sparta

[Anonymous No.23155336]

>>23152852
No, he admits to waking up past 1 pm pretty much everyday in "lessons to young samurai" or whatever the fuck its named in english

[Anonymous No.23155349]

>>23151119
What a deranged manlet.

[Anonymous No.23155359]

>>23150758
It's not the aesthetics of dying in war that's beautiful. It's the transcendental values that are present in giving your life to defend your country which are beautiful. War is ugly, striving for the defence of good is beautiful.

[Anonymous No.23155363]

>>23155359
What if your country is engaging in an imperial war of aggression and you die failing to take a minor city in a long form campaign?

[Anonymous No.23155618]

>>23154934
when has dosto said anything about war?

[Anonymous No.23155622]

>>23155363
Unfathomably based, most people's lives are spent much worse

[Anonymous No.23155627]

>>23150758
He doesn't talk about modern warfare. Mishima imagined being sliced down by a blade not an unearned bullet.

[Anonymous No.23155628]

>>23155359
>transcendental values
also known as the fake made up bullshit narrative fed to low IQ proles at school.

[Anonymous No.23155687]

>>23150758
>>23150791
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQvF-wfrF0M

[Anonymous No.23155697]

>>23155687
https://youtu.be/fgcdQmCbz-I?t=578

[Anonymous No.23155707]

>>23155697
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNkl-zXt7yU

[Anonymous No.23155718]

>>23155622
You think getting shot in the thigh and dying two weeks later in a retreating medic camp during an unsuccessful campaign is based?

[Anonymous No.23155798]

>>23155718
yes

[Anonymous No.23155903]

>>23150802
One of the reasons I was terrified of jumping off a bridge one day. I heard a story of a suicide jumper landing on someone's car. Then I had the thought to get hit on the interstate, but I remembered that sometimes drivers will skid off trying to avoid it and die. I don't want to kill an entire family if I can wait

[Anonymous No.23155913]

>>23155903
I want you to live

[Anonymous No.23155975]

>>23155627
He did imagine getting blown up by a rocket or a hailstorm of bullets. It's the idea of dying for the Emperor in battle that was beautiful

[Anonymous No.23155979]

>>23150758
I was watching Go Pro footage in Ukraine earlier and it hit me how mechanized modern warfare is. It reminded me of chess and how all the top players have to memorize the calculations of machines in order to remain competitive, otherwise they’ll lose to the players that do. It’s soulless.

[Anonymous No.23156015]

He was right. His meaning isn't that ANY death in war is beautiful but rather, for a man to fufill his duty and fight for his race against their foe is a worthy cause to die for. To grow old, sick, and ugly, patiently collecting a pension and driving 25mph in a 45 to get groceries, using all your savings for medical treatments which won't extend your life, is a shameful passing

[Anonymous No.23156059]

>Mishima stepped out onto the balcony to address the soldiers gathered below. His speech was intended to inspire a coup d'état to restore the power of the emperor. He succeeded only in irritating the soldiers, and was heckled, with jeers and the noise of helicopters drowning out some parts of his speech.

>Mishima then committed seppuku, a form of ritual suicide by disembowelment associated with the samurai. Morita had been assigned to serve as Mishima's second (kaishakunin), cutting off his head with a sword at the end of the rite to spare him unnecessary pain. However, Morita proved unable to complete his task, and after three failed attempts to sever Mishima's head, Koga had to step in and complete the task.
Fucking hell what a badass.

[Anonymous No.23156077]

>>23156015
Both are equally meaningless wastes of potential.

[Anonymous No.23156088]

>>23156059
kills himself because wagies won't listen to his retarded ideas

>what a badass

[Anonymous No.23156104]

>>23151017
is this really the same guy? what a fucking queer lmfao

[Anonymous No.23156256]

>>23150791
You dropped some Doritos, bruh.

[Anonymous No.23156718]

>>23155903
Why do it in the city? Just pick an abrupt fall in nature. You won't land on some unsuspecting trekking group.

[Anonymous No.23156820]

>>23156088
Bait or mental retardation

[Anonymous No.23156860]

>>23156104
Yes

[Anonymous No.23156982]

>>23150793
> if you've any had any experience in the military or in armed conflict you realise quite quickly that romanticised accounts of war is bullshit spewed by naive morons. its actually quite a pathetic spectacle.
Knew a journalist who had been blown up more than once, kidnapped by frightened child soldiers in Africa, and been with soldiers on numerous occasions where they'd get ambushed by the Taliban and so on, and this was his attitude. He said it was kind of embarrassing and that he felt like a moron. Seems like there's a lot of bumbling about and then you piss yourself.

>>23155979
>I was watching Go Pro footage in Ukraine earlier and it hit me how mechanized modern warfare is ... It’s soulless.
I imagine people had a similar reaction at the onset of industrialized warfare in WWI. The soldiers are just fleshy bags talking meat wrapped around a skeleton and to survive they come to mimic the functions of the machines like the pneumatic rhythm of the machine gun. What makes war seem scary to me in science fiction is, like, the intro to Terminator 2 when the machines show up, they're totally remorseless unthinking automatons, they "are" the essence of war. I don't know where I'm going with this but I thought it sounded wicked.
https://youtu.be/DHKxoARmjLU

>>23151001
>Fascism has psychosexual element in it, the sadomasochistic worship of masculinity driven by the desire to dominate or be dominated by other men
I think there's something like that going on. There's an attraction to power and domination, and striving for excellence, but also being dominated and losing yourself in a homogenous mass or a historic tradition. It also seems to go further than other ideologies in communicating itself through its affective dimension and its aesthetics, or collapsing the verbal message that it's trying to communicate into the aesthetics so they merge completely, as if fascism itself is somehow more of a really bizarre art movement.
https://youtu.be/LB9lObWclFQ

[Anonymous No.23157207]

>>23150784
was he wrong in his views though?

[Anonymous No.23157600]

>>23151017
This would make a great Judas Priest album cover.

[Anonymous No.23157620]

>>23151108
This is why I think everyone deserves to suffer.

[Anonymous No.23157689]

>>23153605
it's not this one

[Anonymous No.23157710]

>>23157689
>>23153604
It's this one
>>>/gif/26834464
Obviously it's extremely horrible

[Anonymous No.23157843]

>>23156077
>oh my gosh! why don't we like vote to abolish nasty stuff like war and death
you are a gay faggot. Stop eating onions and stop masturbating until you think like a man.

[Anonymous No.23157884]

>>23150758
As sissified modern westerner you wouldn't get it

[Anonymous No.23157919]

>>23157843
What war have you fought in?

[Anonymous No.23157935]

>>23157919
Shut the fuck up you fag, soldiers regurarly get addicted to war.

[Anonymous No.23158016]

>>23150793
The whole romantic war bs is just to get young people excited to kill each other in rich family squabbles, or for bankers. Or faggots like Mishima larping as uber badass samurai wanting to die a painful death for a rich pencil necked dweeb who claims he's Emperor by divine right.

[Anonymous No.23158054]

>>23157935
Are those kind of men your heroes?

[Anonymous No.23158233]

>>23157935
>bro war is so le hecking based!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-elmAeX_4U

[Anonymous No.23158274]

>>23158233
faggot I will give you 1 serious answer for any anon you might confuse.

War is a fact of life.

There is nothing optional about it. No choice. To think, "do we need war?" or some other acid-induced commie bullshit is a form of psychosis. It's like saying, "I wish fire wouldn't burn". Then you suggest, if we all hold a vote, we can put our hands in a flame and it won't hurt us. Even if you get a universal vote that burns are bad, fire will still burn because it is its' nature. Reality is not democratic. We must base our beliefs and actions on the first premises of what is -not what we wish would be.

There will always be war. To even suggest an alternative is fantasy. A fantasy born of feminine weakness. Such talk was first popularized in the 19th century and known as, "defeatism". What's telling is, the same jews and masons who hype the people up to go to war against our rulers, when they didn't rule, 180 their position and say violence is never the people's answer when they do rule.

So the argument given in the first place is disingenuous. None of the useful idiots protesting against Vietnam were espousing a sentiment the comintern never believed. They only encouraged this subversion as a form of ideological AIDS to kill-off their enemies survival instinct so Americans would no longer put meaning to the word, "enemy" or feel such a thing existed as an enemy for them to fight against.

If war is bad then let every jew lament Stalin and that cripple didn't make peace with Hitler.

[Anonymous No.23158751]

>>23158274
What war have you fought in?

[Anonymous No.23158863]

>>23150758
Modern industrialised total warfare has robbed war of its dignity.

[Anonymous No.23159008]

>>23150895
This is true. Liberals always have these strange soft spots for extremely conservative men like ISIS whose members they even try to import. They often try to protect criminals too and want to give them "another chance". It's as if they needed a more visceral father figure around they lacked.

[Anonymous No.23159013]

>>23158863
They never had dignity

[Anonymous No.23159042]

>>23158274
You sound like a low IQ neocon jarhead or boomer.

[Anonymous No.23159241]

>>23158233
Why don't you faggots complain about schools like this? Kids get raped in schools and traumatized forever quite frequently. This is an idiotic, dishonest nonargument. Although I've never fought in a war I have experienced being on the losing side of one as a kid, lot more than what can be said about some fat goblin American like you.

[Anonymous No.23159249]

>>23159241
Why didn't you fight in a war?

[Anonymous No.23159272]

>>23159249
The army didn't accept me and i don't think one should fight in foreign wars

[Anonymous No.23159277]

>>23159272
If you actually believed in your ideals you would be dead right now. You just like the way they sound

[Anonymous No.23159294]

>>23159277
>If you actually believed in your ideals you would be dead right now. You just like the way they sound

[Anonymous No.23159298]

>>23159294
How can you be a zealot for war and never participated in one?

[Anonymous No.23159300]

>>23159298
>How can you be a zealot for war and never participated in one?

[Anonymous No.23159320]

>>23159300
Why haven't you joined the military, it's easy

[Anonymous No.23159538]

>>23156860
this picture exists and we STILL have to debate in EVERY SINGLE THREAD about mishima whether he was gay? no straight man does a leatherdaddy photoshoot. he looks like he's trying to establish a chapter of the village people in the east.

[Anonymous No.23159542]

>>23150829
What makes it a caricature or performative? Did he not put his money where his mouth is? I'm not gay and don't even really like gays, but I don't understand this logic that somehow if you're gay you're less masculine.
>>23151017
What about that picture is "compensatory"? and compensation for what exactly? Muscles and motorcycles are good fun. Not my preferred aesthetic, but hey it was the 50s. I think the problem here is that you're just a massive midwit. If pressed enough there is no way you could define the fundamentals of your psychoanalytical garbage. Where is your definition of an "authentic" masculinity since you keep trying to deconstruct his?

BTW what's even bad about overcompensating for things you lack? Isn't that usually how you acquire things... the leftist mind boggles me.

[Anonymous No.23159550]

>>23157935
>doctor refused to amputate
was there even anything wrong with it?

[Anonymous No.23159556]

>>23159298
Some of the most horrible warmongers never served in combat. Pic related, for example, only did some weimar era street fighting.

[Anonymous No.23159584]

>>23159538
his wife said he was straight, why would I trust internet gossipers over her?

[Anonymous No.23159588]

>>23159550
No, he was a finger-tranny

[Anonymous No.23159639]

>>23150758
Ernst Jünger I think talked about the death of war as a transcendent act by being reduced to a meat grinder of man being destroyed by machine.
might have been Guenon or Evola though.

[Anonymous No.23159640]

>>23159584
if he was his marriage was a sham. a big part of a sham marriage with a gay man (actually, the whole of a sham marriage to a gay mam) is pretending that the fay man is straight.

[Anonymous No.23159703]

>>23159008
This is true. I bet all liberals have something in common: a lame father.
Does the whole political scene ultimately boil down to the matriarchy vs the patriarchy?

[Anonymous No.23159715]

>>23159639
“Artillery adds dignity to what would otherwise be a vulgar brawl”- Frederick the Great.

[Anonymous No.23159720]

>>23159715
not in death

[Anonymous No.23159726]

>>23150802
>>23152193
Link it

[Anonymous No.23159750]

>>23159726
see>>23157710

[Anonymous No.23159763]

>>23159720
I don't follow.

[Anonymous No.23159781]

>>23150784
How the fuck does anyone read confessions of a mask and not come away thinking he's a repressed homosexual?
Replies to this saying otherwise are retarded.

[Anonymous No.23159793]

>>23159763
I don't think there is more dignity in being blown to pieces by some guy a kilometre away, being disemboweled by some dude whose face you will never know rather than being stabbed by someone in front of you.

[Anonymous No.23159804]

>>23159793
That's probably because you have a romanticized idea of what war is like, whereas Frederick on the other hand, experienced war first hand.
Mishima's notions are also of the romantic kind.

[Anonymous No.23159832]

>>23159715
More like Frederick the Gay

[Anonymous No.23159977]

>>23159832
Now there's an intelligent post.

[Anonymous No.23160815]

>>23159804
you could be right desu
Id like to know why Frederick the great thought shooting cannons from far away, huddled down has more dignity than fighting someone face to face though

[Anonymous No.23161460]

>>23154621
>Most honest veterans despise war, and realize they were duped: they fought for an eventual peace that never comes.

This,

This is why i find Ernst Jünger batshit crazy and fascinating, the guy was legit just different. In a swedish interview that he did when he was 104 years of age, the Interviewer ask him, What does the german Stahlhelm means to him? He replied:

"An die Antike erinnern" (It reminds me of the Ancient greek)

>https://youtu.be/NJPglTJUhiM?si=vh6YDAGR2cnXzJ_p&t=520