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[Anonymous No.23141708]

>BTFOs religion forever

[Anonymous No.23141713]

Science is my religion.

[Anonymous No.23141719]

You can't beat the truth with delusions, sorry. Macroevolution will never be true.

[Anonymous No.23141720]

>>23141708
it's intelligent design

[Anonymous No.23141734]

>>23141719
You can't beat the truth with delusions either, sorry. Your afterlife will never be real.

[Anonymous No.23141737]

Christianity can survive even if the whole of the Old Testament wasn't historically accourate (it's not btw jews stole the whole Sumerian cosmology and mythology and mixed it with egyptian, akkadian and semitic folklore). Christianity on the other hand was mixed with platonism granting it a more allegorical and abstract nature. The whole jewish myth could be wrong but it won't invalidate Christ. Islam and judaism depend on the Torah being true. Israel's existence depends on this too.

[Anonymous No.23141740]

>>23141734
That's what you think. Fortunately, I don't have to speculate.

[Anonymous No.23141743]

>>23141708
Nah my religion supports it.

[Anonymous No.23141777]

>>23141737
>Christianity is still valid if the lineage validating Christ as Messiah is false
>Christianity is still valid if original sin is false
>Christianity is still valid if the god Jesus claims descent from is false
Nigger u wot

[Anonymous No.23141779]

>>23141708
It also BTFO most of philosophy

[Anonymous No.23141790]

>>23141708
>BTFOs scientism forever

[Anonymous No.23141797]

>>23141777
>>Christianity is still valid if the lineage validating Christ as Messiah is false
Yes. Christianity works through pure allegory. Read Plato.
>>Christianity is still valid if original sin is false
Original sin still happened when homo sapiens stopped the whole hunter-gatherer thing and created civilization. This acient knowledge of man gaining conscience once he gets civilized was taken by hebrews from the Epic of Gilgamesh. The parallels between Enkidu and Adam & Eve are notorious.

[Anonymous No.23141808]

>>23141737
>Islam and judaism depend on the Torah being true.
Islam literally depends on the Torah being false.

[Anonymous No.23141810]

>>23141708
There is no contradiction between Darwinian Evolution and Islam.

[Anonymous No.23141812]

>>23141708
Catholics mostly believe in evolution but Darwin's idea of natural selection being based on randomness is a mathematical impossibility. https://www.amazon.com/Deniable-Darwin-Other-Essays/dp/0979014123 book for reference

[Anonymous No.23141824]

>>23141708
evolution is fake, antikythera mechanism proves Urf was once part of an interstellar civilization

[Anonymous No.23141847]

>>23141737
dome is real it's conveying the fact reality renders around you like Mario 64

[Anonymous No.23141956]

If anything Darwin found a thread of a connection that would have brought modern Christ-slop back into the realm of purity. Evolution is a part of the divine agenda.

[Anonymous No.23141972]

>>23141734
>Charles Darwin came from an elitist family. His grandfather married a Wedgewood (rich family in UK famous for pottery). His father married a Wedgewood and he married a Wedgewood. When she died he married her sister. Basically these were elitist families obsessed with bloodlines.
Darwin's family also had links to freemasonry (obviously).
He appears to have been chosen by the royal society (another elitist organisation) to write a work of fiction about a theory called evolution. In his book he admits that the fossil record does not support the theory as no fossil ever found shows that it had evolved. They all showed already complete species. However he explained this away by saying that the fossil record was 'incomplete'.
Fast forward 150 years and no fossils that have been found since prove that species evolved.

[Anonymous No.23141977]

>>23141797
You're not a Christian, you're a platonist. This is like saying Aesop's Fables is literal accounts of talking animals because they contain moral truths. This comparative mythology shit is cringe new ageism and heretical.

[Anonymous No.23142006]

Evolution terrifies theists because it means there is no afterlife. When people argue against evolution they are trying to keep their hopes of the afterlife alive.

[Anonymous No.23142008]

>>23141972
>genetic mutation isn't real because a guy from the 1800's granddad was in a old man's LARP club
WTF I'm getting baptized TODAY

[Anonymous No.23142013]

>>23141713
Religion is my science

[Anonymous No.23142034]

>>23142006
the only way you aren't going to hell is if you can convince ammit the demon that if he consumes your soul, he'll get AIDS

[Anonymous No.23142191]

>>23141972
His family had strong ties to the Huxleys too, another of these elitist families with a eugenic hidden agenda, just consider Brave New World. Darwinism is a psyop to condition the masses into the belief that they are simply dogs, and can thus die like dogs when it inconveniences their masters. The question: cui bono? The answer: Social Darwinists, namely, Jews and their traitorous abettors.

[Anonymous No.23142477]

>>23141708
God created evolution

[Anonymous No.23142488]

>>23142006
> because it means there is no afterlife
How?

[Anonymous No.23142489]

>>23141810
Not true at all. In fact it may be even more contradictory because Muslims literally believe in everything about Islam while Christians are often cowards who claim that the Bible is merely artistic and metaphorical

[Anonymous No.23142519]

The theory of men being descended from apes is more of an educated guess than something with substantial proof. It's just inference gathered from looking at bones and assuming "this skeleton looks like this one, so it must be his dad."

[Anonymous No.23142617]

>>23141719
Serious question here: Do religious people genuinely believe this or is the one final cope that they have?

[Anonymous No.23142631]

>>23142519
No, modern genetic data and understanding of the central dogma has confirmed evolution as well as common descent

[Anonymous No.23142664]

>>23142489
I agree with you completely. I am just saying there is nothing in darwinian evolution that fundamentally contradicts muslim beliefs.

[Anonymous No.23142707]

>>23142664
no shit they were both made up by the papacy

[Anonymous No.23144313]

The supernatural being real isn't invalidated by evolution.

[Anonymous No.23144347]

The answer is that both evolution and intelligent design are true. The missing piece is that we're the result of genetic engineering between alien species and local fauna.

[Anonymous No.23144363]

>>23144313
Humans being the center of the universe under a caring god that is acting in an active back and forth with man based on his morality and faith, however, is.

[Anonymous No.23144402]

>>23142631
>dogma in science
nigger

[Anonymous No.23144409]

>>23141790

[Anonymous No.23144430]

it is the true death of god in my opinion. everything until that point could be salvaged. but the moment darwin redudced human mind to an intricate device that has been subjected to millions of years of trial and error, there really isn't any room left for god.

theory of evolution is so strong that it BTFO'd everything. there was romance, now love is a cruel mechanism forcing you to procreate. there was fraternity, now there is only instinct coded into the genes to enforce survival of the clan. skeptics were right about everything. it's all fake.

[Anonymous No.23144602]

Plato on the origin of women
>Of the men who came into the world, those who were cowards or led unrighteous lives may with reason be supposed to have changed into the nature of women in the second generation.
Plato on the origin of other animals.
>...the race of birds was created out of innocent light-minded men, who, although their minds were directed toward heaven, imagined, in their simplicity, that the clearest demonstration of the things above was to be obtained by sight ; these were remodelled and transformed into birds, and they grew feathers instead of hair. The race of wild pedestrian animals, again, came from those who had no philosophy in any of their thoughts, and never considered at all about the nature of the heavens, because they had ceased to use the courses of the head, but followed the guidance of those parts of the soul which are in the breast. In consequence of these habits of theirs they had their front-legs and their heads resting upon the earth to which they were drawn by natural affinity ; and the crowns of their heads were elongated and of all sorts of shapes, into which the courses of the soul were crushed by reason of disuse. And this was the reason why they were created quadrupeds and polypods : God gave the more senseless of them the more support that they might be more attracted to the earth. And the most foolish of them, who trail their bodies entirely upon the ground and have no longer any need of feet, he made without feet to crawl upon the earth. The fourth class were the inhabitants of the water : these were made out of the most entirely senseless and ignorant of all, whom the transformers did not think any longer worthy of pure respiration, because they possessed a soul which was made impure by all sorts of transgression ; and instead of the subtle and pure medium of air, they gave them the deep and muddy sea to be their element of respiration ; and hence arose the race of fishes and oysters, and other aquatic animals, which have received the most remote habitations as a punishment of their outlandish ignorance. These are the laws by which animals pass into one another, now, as ever, changing as they lose or gain wisdom and folly.

[Anonymous No.23144605]

>>23144430
>it is the true death of god in my opinion. everything until that point could be salvaged. but the moment darwin redudced human mind to an intricate device that has been subjected to millions of years of trial and error, there really isn't any room left for god.

This is simply nonsense and the product of a lack of imagination.

[Anonymous No.23144620]

>>23142617
I genuinely dont believe in evolution. Allele frequency distribution is not evolution.

[Anonymous No.23144630]

>>23144605
in my view the ongoing battle with theory of evolution is proof of this. no religious institute ever fought with any physicist or chemist or any other biologist as much as they did with darwin. it is because what he says attacks the foundations of religion. the human mind or the soul is the last bastion of a creator. you can live with the fact that tectonic plates cause the earthquakes and not the anger of god. but there is no going back from realizing your creation was an inevitable result of organic cells snowballing into thinking biped. it is the best argument yet developed against religions.

[Anonymous No.23144638]

>>23144620
question, do you not think if we spilled a bucket of organic compounds to a planet that is similar to earth in a few million years there will be animals similar to the ones on earth crawling and walking on there?

[Anonymous No.23144647]

>>23144638
No of course not

[Anonymous No.23144654]

>>23144647
then you just simply don't understand how evolution works.

[Anonymous No.23144662]

>>23144654
I think it may be you who misunderstands the idea

[Anonymous No.23144668]

>>23144630
I've had too many mystical and supernatural experiences in my life to discount religion. There's SOMETHING out there, beyond the material.

[Anonymous No.23144673]

>>23141708
I don't want to read another one of these threads.

[Anonymous No.23144674]

>>23144605
>God wasted 4 billion years putting every freak of nature on Earth and committing mass extinctions just so he could turn hairy shit flinging apes into naked bipeds one day.
>This makes more sense than humans simply being a result of chance.

[Anonymous No.23144677]

>>23141708
scientific racism is based, yes

[Anonymous No.23144682]

>>23144668
Maybe you just evolved to see things that way, every think of that?

[Anonymous No.23144683]

>>23144662
you literally don't understand what evolution is and how it works. I gave you the simplest example of how convergent evolution works, this is a known thing. if you understood how evolution works you would understand it implies inevitability, and that's why it removes mystic elements of creation.

>>23144668
convincing argument.

[Anonymous No.23144690]

>>23144683
Organic compounds aren't living organisms. And what does inevitability have to do with anything?

[Anonymous No.23144692]

>>23144683
>I gave you the simplest example of how convergent evolution works
Are you confused?

[Anonymous No.23144700]

>>23144690
you will get living creatures out of it every single time if you wait long enough, that's the inevitability part.

>>23144692
I think you need to read a introductory book about theory of evolution.

[Anonymous No.23144706]

>>23144700
>>do you believe [hypothetical] could happen?
>no
>>I gave you an explanation!
Is english new to you? Is this a bot? What the fuck

[Anonymous No.23144722]

>>23144706
my example was a hypothetical but the mechanism behind it is not. there are examples of convergent evolution. if you just looked it up you'd see but you don't have to habit of looking up things you never heard of before, if you did you would not be as ignorant as you are.

I am sorry I made the wrong assumption that you had a working brain and you could put two and two together. but if you had the mental capacity to pull of such acts you would not end up so clueless about a theory known for one hundred and fifty years in the first place would you.

[Anonymous No.23144737]

>>23142617
>do religious people
As if all religious people share a singular point of view.

I can only speak for myself, obviously. I do not believe in macroevolution. I will say it again. I do not believe something comes from nothing. I do not believe the laws of nature organized themselves out of nothing. I do not believe over any length of time a nothing will become a cell, or a cell a fish, or a fish a man, or anything of the sort. Macroevolution is a cope for some and a lie that has been believed by the many.

[Anonymous No.23144743]

>>23144677
this desu
https://archive.org/details/TheAverageIQOfSubSaharanAfricans

[Anonymous No.23145239]

>>23141737
When did the mixing with platonism occur? In the inception? I've never studied Islam, why do you say Islam didn't have a similar platonic mixing?

I prefer to interpret christianity through a platonic lens as well, like "In the beginning was the word" is "in the beginning was the 'logos'", meaning discrete information, so I interpret this as computation. "And the word was God" is defining God as a computational entity. Stuff like that.

[Anonymous No.23145479]

>>23141972
Please explain to me what an "incomplete species" is. How could any fossil definitively prove macroevolution?

Anyway science is not religion. There are thousands if not millions of scientific texts that have proven inaccurate and been discarded. You can't just write a scientific book of fiction and expect it to be relevant hundreds of years later. The Origin of Species stands upon its own merit, regardless of who commissioned it.

[Anonymous No.23145501]

>>23144722
Dude I'm all for evolution but you are the idiot here. Dumping a bucket of "organic compounds" on some alien planet, or on Earth for that matter, will not inevitably lead to animals, or even self-replicating life forms.

Evolution has nothing to do with the emergence of life. Natural selection only becomes relevant once you have self-replicating molecules with the capacity for mutation. Everything before that is pure luck.

[Anonymous No.23145524]

>>23141708
But not judaism because that is only tactically a religion. When the discussion requires it shape-shifts to a racial identity.

[Anonymous No.23145527]

>>23142191
>If Darwinism is true then people are simply dogs that can die like dogs
Have you considered that maybe the problem is (you)?

[Anonymous No.23145532]

>>23145501
Life does not need to originate on every Earth-like planet. Maybe once in the galaxy is enough, and then spread by panspermia.

[Anonymous No.23145533]

[Anonymous No.23145540]

>>23145239
>When did the mixing with platonism occur?
Probably in the first council of Nicea and onwards.
>why do you say Islam didn't have a similar platonic mixing?
Thing is islam depends on Abraham and Moses and with all likeness neither of them ever existed. Muslims die and kill for their religion.

[Anonymous No.23145543]

>>23141708
Heh, the Abrahamic dudes coping in this thread.
This book really broke their brains.
Lol.

[Anonymous No.23145588]

>>23145543
the Bible is an egyptian math textbook

evolution is bullshit made up by the Fagican to hide ancient astronauts

[Anonymous No.23145594]

>>23145588
>the Bible is an egyptian math textbook
According to who?
You???

[Anonymous No.23145601]

>>23145594

the masons are the sons of maat. the priests of maat were egyptian mathematicians, hence FUCKING MAAT EMATICS

[Anonymous No.23145630]

>>23141708

Evolution is a Vatican fabrication.

[Anonymous No.23145636]

>>23145630
see you in heaven, King