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[Anonymous No.23054686]

Thinking about giving up pursuing a degree in mathematics because of this quote. Advice?

[Anonymous No.23054690]

>>23054686
Quote is pseudery but study something else anyways.

[Anonymous No.23054699]

>>23054686
You must be seriously stupid. It doesn't even matter if the quote is right, if that's enough to deter you from studying mathematics, or seeing the worth in mathematics then you're a low iq retard.

[Anonymous No.23054715]

>>23054686
Doesn't the "STEM" world already agree with measurement being probabilities and uncertainties? Or is there a cabal of Newtonians somewhere?

[Anonymous No.23054717]

>>23054686
You should give up on life.

[Anonymous No.23054722]

>>23054686
Gigantic mistake to drop a real discipline for philosophy

[Anonymous No.23054724]

>>23054715
They’re out there

[Anonymous No.23054730]

>"... mathematics, which would certainly never have arisen if it had been understood from the beginning that there is no such thing in nature as a perfectly straight line..."

>live in Ur
>own 100 sheep
>sheep keep reproducing
>"man I wish there was a way to know how many sheep I'm gonna have next year"
>ask my shepherd how many sheep were born this year
>assume this is the standard rate and extrapolate
>have formula for sheep
>draw a graph
>nietzshe walks in
>says that lines aren't real and shoots me in the head

[Anonymous No.23054733]

>>23054730
Lines are not real. Your sheep will not grow infinitely. You'll be drowning in manure and malnourished, sickly sheep before long.

[Anonymous No.23054746]

>>23054733
>You'll be drowning in manure and malnourished, sickly sheep before long.
Aren't we?

[Anonymous No.23054764]

>>23054746
Yes, the belief in such imaginary absolutes as god, souls, atoms, lines, etc. has done tremendous harm to life, denying life as Nietzsche frames it. Indeed, one would have to be at war with life to produce pug dogs from wolves.

[Anonymous No.23054777]

This board has deterred me from ever taking philosophy seriously. All of these le epic quotes you guys masturbate to are either things that any moderately intelligent person can figure out intuitively, or some incomprehensible bullshit dressed up in flowery language to appear rational (like what OP posted)

Pic unrelated

[Anonymous No.23054784]

>>23054686
Freddy is simply wrong as a mathlet.
Math is a language. Math is unreasonably effective and linear algebra is the means of sharpening that scope of effectiveness. Engineers master it with the helpings of select few math majors who never spoke to each other. Always jump out of your ivory tower and shake hands with a fellow who is at the boundaries of your cohort. Dont give up, OP just dont become a category theory set theory topology cocksucker and stick to the classics with real world grounded modeling. Claude Shannon was the Nikola Tesla of software and this is his piece d resistance most impressive beautiful equation the most insightful expression so fundamental and basic but masterfully applied to insight itself beyond data compression pragmatics. Information theory of bell labs

[Anonymous No.23054789]

>>23054784
Great courses DVD information theory ah shit I gotta go OP
Buy the first episode on amazon primevideo!

[Anonymous No.23054792]

>>23054764
The inherent imperfection of modelling reality is a consequence of its complexity, and if you want to go there possibly subatomic randomness. Mathematics remain useful regardless of their inability to perfectly reflect reality. Also, through what other lens can the intricacies that invalidate the model be approached than adjusted formulae and more intricate mathematics? The perfect model that truly reflects nature may or may not be possible or comprehensible, but its basis will be in the abstracted pure forms we started with.
The earth does not orbit in a circle, but from understanding and modifying the circle we can approach nature's accuracy.

[Anonymous No.23054809]

>>23054792
Nietzsche isn't really saying not to do math. He is attacking antecedents of Christianity-Platonism

[Anonymous No.23054810]

>>23054715
thats only on a quantum level i think

[Anonymous No.23054812]

>>23054784
> Math is a language
Pseud

[Anonymous No.23054874]

>>23054812
It’s actually a kind of music.

[Anonymous No.23054885]

>>23054784
>>23054686
It's not even just nietzche. Actually mathematicians would agree with him. In the language of math it has already been proven.
You're a pseud if you take issue with the OP quote

[Anonymous No.23054892]

>>23054690
>Quote is pseudery
How? Zeno's paradoxes demonstrated that math refers to an ideal, non-existent world, thousands of years ago.

[Anonymous No.23054903]

>>23054810
Why do you think that? What makes you believe that our measures and process models are without err rather than just being pretty good approximations?

[Anonymous No.23054910]

>>23054686
A really stupid quote.

[Anonymous No.23054911]

>>23054892
Doesn't the dichotomy paradox exist in the real world, considering that electrons are point sources?

[Anonymous No.23054913]

>>23054686
Nietzsche was a pseud and (you) are retarded.

[Anonymous No.23055173]

There are no equal things. The form of equality is metaphysical. We are reminded of this form when we see two things that are nearly equal.

[Anonymous No.23055182]

>>23054885
>Actually mathematicians would agree with him
No they wouldn't
They would agree perfect shapes don't actually exist, but absolutely not with the following conclusion he reaches about STEM not existing, that's absolutely mindblowingly retarded.

[Anonymous No.23055330]

>>23054903
it doesn't matter on this scale

[Anonymous No.23055960]

>>23054885
>i have never seen a straight line
>i have never seen a wheel or a ball
>i have never read a book that taught me anything because DO IT AGAIN I WASNT LOOKING

[Anonymous No.23055968]

Nerds scrabbling around trying to pick up their scattered rulers and compasses after being tripped over by Nietzsche in the hall.

[Anonymous No.23055974]

>>23054812
Let's play an old timey videogame. Link goes to Zelda to pick up a ball. It is a single pixel. But you saw a ball. That was good enough for the whole use case.
None of you dumb fucks listened to what I said about Linear Algebra which is just computerized stacks of pic rel fundamental. It is the strongest brute force power man's intellect has ever devised. It is inelegant but practical. It has conquered every gas and spiral and fractal. How? Slice the gordion knot and move on with your day.

[Anonymous No.23055976]

>>23054686
He is right but that should not deter you from studying mathematics. What your saying sounds extremely fickle to me. I'm imagining nietzsche would find you idiotic for jumping "after him" too. Be serious.

[Anonymous No.23055979]

>>23054777
but I don't blame you...but the experience of reading the full texts is a lot different

[Anonymous No.23055982]

>>23055974
Likewise the most elegant solutions found in the whole field of mathematics are found using calculus found using L'Hopital operators found using limits found using auxiliary functions which is basically linear algebra and stat nerd guessing

[Anonymous No.23055986]

>>23055982
>>23055974
This equation lets big boys bust the balls of accountants which lets accountants bust the balls of broke boys

[Anonymous No.23055989]

OP what's your goal in getting a degree? If it's to get a stable job then Mathematics is a safe bet. People see the degree and assume you're intelligent enough to learn quickly (they're probably right).

[Anonymous No.23055991]

>>23054892
Math deals with possible axiomitized systems. Finitist mathematics is a thing. Intuitionist mathematics is a thing. Saying "all math is eternalist," or "all math agrees there are different sizes of infinite sets," is like saying of politics in general "all politics agrees there should be more gun control," or "all politics says we should go back to the gold standard."

This isn't the case. There are many camps in mathematics. Some people do foundations in set theory, the most popular foundation, but others use category theory. There are many different axiomitizations of set theory though.

As far as correspondence to the real world, that the universe is best represented by finitist mathematics is a popular opinion (pancomputationalism requires this and is popular) but is by no means empirically settled. It's an area of open debate. Likewise with foundations. Quantum mechanics has been built up from category theory, and this work has been used in quantum computing.

It's just like how physics doesn't say the world is "one way." Rather, there are at least 9 major interpretations in quantum foundations as to what the world is "really like," "It From Bit," Copenhagen, MWI, relational QM, QBism, etc. None have majority support.

As with physics, most practitioners don't actually spend that much time pondering foundations. Philosophy of mathematics is a niche field, as is the related philosophy of information. These programs are tiny and elite, so you need to be both a genius and be willing to make little money and work on towering abstractions no one else cares about, so few people know of these areas.

Certainly, deflationary notions of truth are indeed popular in mathematics and modern logic, but they aren't absolute. Hell, even the law of noncontradiction isn't absolute, paraconsistent logical and dialtheism receive significant attention. I've seen formalizations of arithmetic that overcome incompleteness at the cost of allowing for contradiction.

[Anonymous No.23056001]

>>23054699
>>23054699
>>23054717
>falling for bait

[Anonymous No.23056009]

>he touched it
>ugh ball ruined!

[Anonymous No.23056012]

>>23054686
I suspect your decision has less to do with that quote and more to do with an inescapable feeling that you may be on the losing end of some musical chairs game. I can assure you that all of life in the modern world is just musical chairs and you will never know until the moment it happens.

[Anonymous No.23056020]

>>23054686
Was Nietzsche a pseud?