/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.22965797]

>in and of itself

[Anonymous No.22965803]

>in and of and on and at and over and around and under itself

[Anonymous No.22965806]

>>22965797
Are you mad that you're a dimwit and could not understand that phraseology?

[Anonymous No.22965867]

>>22965806
Nerd

[Anonymous No.22965875]

>>22965797
Is there an external archive for /lit/? Im trying to find something.

[Anonymouṡ No.22965890]

>>22965797

>by and large

[Anonymous No.22965904]

In and of itself = as such = in essence

It means we are tallking about the essence of the thing in question, not conditions or particulars which it may take on

It is a useful if clunky phrase.

[Anonymous No.22965911]

>>22965904
But why not simply say "in itself"- why the "of". Its just another example of EFL superfluousness.

[Anonymous No.22966056]

>>22965911
English speakers are lobotomised the day they start learning this transgender language

[Anonymous No.22966071]

>>22965911
my guess is "in" implies something hidden and unseen in the abstract, whereas of implies what is seen and understood physically. thus "in and of itself" is neccesary to fully express the idea.

[Anonymous No.22966073]

>>22966056
Pray tell me, what is your first language?

[Anonymous No.22966087]

>>22966073
>pray tell me
Hello, Mr. ESL.

[Anonymous No.22966090]

>>22965911
It is just a language conventiom that emerged over time. I am not sure when, that is a good question. The phrase is used heavily in philosophy, perhaps it owes its origin to a translation convention from Greek or Latin.

Languages are big and complex fields, they have their thickets and their flowing streams. In and of itself is barbarous prose but a handy technical term

[Anonymous No.22966124]

>>22966090
>barbarous prose
Bullshit, the reason its popular is probably because of its rhythm, philosophers could just say “as such” or “in itself” or “per se” and it would accomplish the same thing, so that it is a “technical term” isn’t an explanation of why people say it

[Anonymous No.22966134]

>>22965911
itself and all of its offshoots/spawns
kind of like jewry. There jews- IN THEMSELVES, and JEWRY- OF THEM

[Anonymous No.22966135]

>>22966087
>Accusing others of being what you are
Classic trick, you can do better. You didnt answer my question either. Keep speaking your backward click language in your home country, remember that whenever you have to deal with actual people, you will speak English.

[Anonymous No.22966137]

>>22966124
I am tired of arguing, I won't. I hope you find whatever it is you want.

[Anonymous No.22966156]

>>22966135
>accuses someone of being ESL
>writes pray tell me
>can’t even get a basic expression correct

[Anonymouṡ No.22966172]

>>22965911
"in itself" means, the essence of the thing. What's at the heart of it?

"of itself" means, considering just the thing, not how it is *of* something else [i.e. a part of something else].

They're obviously very similar ideas but there is a little bit of difference. But I doubt people thought "let's say that to cover those slightly different ideas. It was probably more just "let's say the same thing twice for emphasis and because it sounds good."

[Anonymous No.22966181]

>>22966156
>Insult the English language while having to use it to communicate
>When asked what is his first language, accuse the questioner of being ESL
>Ramble on about some irrelevant point
>Avoid question
Im not responding until you tell us what your native tongue is.

[Anonymous No.22966208]

>>22966137
I’m not the other guy

[Anonymous No.22966218]

>>22966181
Two different people responded to you, Mr. ESL. I accused you of being ESL for your incorrect use of the expression “pray tell me.” Only a genuine ESL would feel the need to add the pronoun “me.”

[Anonymous No.22966368]

>>22966073
One that wasn’t raped by the French in 1066 to the point it lost case, gender, conjugation and half of its vocabulary.
I know that isn’t very specific, but at least you can cross one out of the list

[Anonymous No.22966387]

>albeit there was more

[Anonymous No.22966440]

>>22965875
warosu

[Anonymous No.22966472]

>>22965797
>be that as it may
> in as much as
> vis a vis

[Anonymous No.22966483]

>>22965797
>an und für sich

[Anonymous No.22966840]

>>22965797
>therefore
>as such
>there can be no doubt that
>we must conclude
>which implies