asoiaf / Game of Thrones

[Anonymous No.22912057]

I believe the Lannisters are cooler than the Targyaren and I'm sick of pretending they're not! They didn't need magic or dragons to be feared, just their wits and loads of money!
Also Tywin is the coolest character in the series.

[Anonymous No.22912062]

I think after deafeating Stannis, it would need a mix of Tyrion and Jaimie as corulers to cement Lannister superiority.
I think no matter what, Varys would have found a way to kill Tywin even if Tyrion decided against it. So the biggest threat was the eunuch, then the Martells.
An ideal combination would be Tywin as director with Jaimie as lord and Tyrion as the Hand of the King. Tommen as King who would follow orders and Varys' head on a spike.

[Anonymous No.22912502]

To be a Lannister would be the greatest boon, they live life on easy mode.

[Anonymous No.22912646]

Besides the Lannisters I love Margaery and her pancake tits!

[Anonymous No.22912761]

>>22912646
Margaery is a hot slut!

[Anonymous No.22912801]

>>22912057
LION>WOLF
simple as.

[Anonymous No.22912913]

>>22912801
Exactly. And lion > dragon too

[Anonymous No.22912988]

>>22912646
What were Tommen's chances of reaching a good ending?

[Anonymous No.22913049]

lannisters have so much plot armour
>all bannermen are 100% unquestionably loyal even during the toughest times whereas the norf and riverlands both have powerful contingents just waiting for a golden opportunity to betray their lords
>littlefinger helps them out for no reason in ACoK despite the fact that tyrion should be having him executed (big plothole)
>shadowbaby lol
>wildfire ex machina
>norf declares independence for no good reason making them teaming up with either baratheon impossible
>they're rich because... gold mines... (bravo martin)
>cersei has a few days to kill the king and make it look like an accident or she's doomed, her plan to get him drunk and just kinda hope he dies somehow... actually works like wtf come on
>tywin getting btfo'd when trying to defend his own lands is actually a good thing because he turns around and beats stannis, his bannermen's lands getting pillaged has zero tangible consequences
>two women are capable of setting jaime free from a castle dungeon without being stopped, and for some reason believe he'll keep a promise he has no motivation to fulfill

[Anonymous No.22913057]

>>22913049
Cersei managing to kill Robert on a very flimsy scheme is the only plot armour luck among those points.

[Anonymous No.22913062]

>>22913049
They are loyal because of the Rains of Castamere. No one is as loyal as the vassals from the Westerlands! Machiavelli was right

[Anonymous No.22913061]

>>22912057
Tywin was my favorite. What a chad

[Anonymous No.22913114]

>>22912913
The way i see it depends on the dragon

[Anonymous No.22913156]

>>22913114
Which Targyaren could rival Tywin in might? Daemon?

[Anonymous No.22913163]

>>22913049
oh and I forgot to add that the martells, who despise the lannisters, make zero moves against them despite great opportunity to do so because muh 4d chess masterplan (that will never actually be revealed)

[Anonymous No.22913200]

>>22912057
If you got reborn as Renly Baratheon before he declared war on Stannis, what would you do?

[Anonymous No.22913289]

>>22913200
have buttsex with Loras

[Anonymous No.22913304]

>>22913289
This but I'd just ask Margaery to pretend to be Loras as I rail her butt. Why are the Tyrell such degenerates?

[Anonymous No.22913452]

>>22913156
The Targyaren are so cool when they act like this. I can see why the other lords were so afraid of them and their erratic attitudes.

[Anonymous No.22913598]

Is there no character as cool as Tywin? I don't think I've ever found anyone as epic in literature

[Anonymous No.22914050]

>>22913598
Aragorn is quite up there

[Anonymous No.22914285]

Is it generally accepted that George RR Martin isn't going to finish the series because the ending of the show was faithful to his notes of how the plot was going to go and now he knows people wouldn't like it

[Anonymous No.22915612]

>>22914285
Who cares. I just want to fuck a cute Tyrell girl

[Anonymous No.22915641]

>>22914285
No it is not.

[Anonymous No.22915720]

I wish George R R Martin wrote The Rains of Castamere about Tywin's ascent. That'd be so badass

[Anonymous No.22915848]

>>22913049
You're right about that and also the constant switching of character perspectives and of building up one characters storyline to then kill them off and introduce you even more characters gives the plot a very schizophrenic quality. It's no wonder that fatass will never finish it lol.

[Anonymous No.22916174]

>>22912646
Why are the Tyrells such degenerates?

[Anonymous No.22916373]

No GoT readers on /lit/?

[Anonymous No.22916411]

>>22916373
Dead series with a bad ending

[Anonymous No.22916430]

>>22916174
I don't really intend to finish the series, but reading some of it I was struck by how vibrantly colorful and over-the-top everything is. That IS one thing the fat fuck gets right from a historical perspective. The Middle Ages weren't drab and gloomy, they were bursting with color and charisma and over-the-top displays of beauty, wealth, taste, and style. There's a reason both velvet and satin were so prominent in this period. ASOIAF manages to get that right in a way I felt the show really didn't. The show was lacking in color a lot of the time.

[Anonymous No.22916436]

>>22916430
Agreed, then why were they called the Dark Ages?

[Anonymous No.22916447]

>>22912062
Stannis has yet to be defeated. Stannis will not be defeated. Stannis the Mannis is rightful King of the Seven Kingdoms.

[Anonymous No.22916451]

>>22912801
Daily reminder that the Young Wolf BTFO the Lannisters in every battle and fucked their shit up at war. They literally only won through oath breaking deception and trickery.

[Anonymous No.22916485]

>>22916436
Dark Ages are only a small part of the actual Middle Ages. It's also massive propaganda by ((Enlightenment)) thinkers and writers. The High Middle Ages were as sophisticated a civilization as anywhere in the world at the time.

[Anonymous No.22916486]

>>22916451
They got lucky that the Frey's were degenerates. It doesn't matter though, the North remembers and the Boltons are on borrowed time. They tricked there way into defeating one Stark, but not even the best one. After Stannis and John mount Ramsay's head on a pike they are marching down with the Cranag Men and the knights of the Vale and murdering every last Frey.

The Night's Watch is technically only until death and a man who dies and comes back is free to go.

Lannisters are fucked. They have the Golden Company and a (potentially real) Taggaryan coming in from the Storm lands, an insane woman in charge and a child heir, disunity with their main ally, the Dornish ready to revolt, Iron Men raiding their main allies lands (pulling armies away from King's Landing right as the Golden Company shows up), and they STILL have an insurgency in the Riverlands and a Tully on the loose. And with Lady Stoneheart back, I think the insurgency is going to get a lot worse.

And there is some bitch with dragons who may or may not come back.

But what am I saying? None of that matters because Winds isn't coming out in 24, or 25, or probably 26, and like 85% of the interesting shit I mentioned was cut out of the show or given retarded endings to cut down on plot lines.

[Anonymous No.22916637]

>>22916485
Were these ((Enlightenment)) propagandists part of a long nosed group who craves money?

[Anonymous No.22916648]

>>22916637
You tell me.

[Anonymous No.22916787]

>>22916637
STOP BEING FUCKING ANTISEMITIC

[Anonymous No.22916816]

All memeing aside, which do you think is the problem?
Has the show's disastrous ending discouraged him?
Did he open too many subplots and doesn't know how to tie them?
Does he plan to release the book posthumous?

[Anonymous No.22916947]

>>22916816
I don't think it has any problem

[Anonymous No.22917140]

>>22916787
What about goblins is antisemitic?
>>22916816
I think he got overwhelmed, I mean keeping track of hundreds of characters and plot lines would prove too much for any human brain so he struggles to reach a good conclusion while also avoiding a planned ending. He says he's a gardener type of writer and those suck at conclusions because their narratives tend to grow exponentially.

[Anonymous No.22917215]

>>22916816
>>22917140

I think he's struggling with how to bring The Others into the main story. Shift focus away from all the petty lords and nobles squabbling over power struggles and backstabbing and bring more focus onto Long Night and Azor Ahai without it feeling rushed or like an asspull

[Anonymous No.22917300]

>>22917215
Should just have them raze everything like the huns. Its the most natural and realistic way to unite kingdoms

[Anonymous No.22917508]

How can I become as cool as Tywin, anon?

[Anonymous No.22917563]

Are the White Walkers unecessary and the story should focus on the squabbles of kings instead?

[Anonymous No.22917693]

>>22917563
I always thought the entire point of the Others is that they're so dangerous precisely BECAUSE they're beyond the squabbles of the kings and lords. They're a worldwide threat, an existential threat, and the lords of Westeros had better figure out how to pull their heads out of their asses in time to deal with them or it's going to be doom for everyone.

It's not surprising some people take them as Martin's metaphor for climate change. It does kind of fit.

[Anonymous No.22917790]

>>22912057
Absolutely not. House Lannister died with Kevan. Jaime was ruined by Aerys and Cersei, and Tyrion never stood a chance. Cersei is the only power you have left to that house (until Jaime puts a baby in Brienne)

[Anonymous No.22917798]

>>22916174
Close proximity to the Dornish

[Anonymous No.22917835]

>>22917693
Yes but that's precisely why they don't fit with the rest of the narrative. Instead he should have made the plot more personal and limited, say with the victory or fall of a House. Maybe Littlefinger could be the mc and it could be about the rise of House Baelish to the Kingdom. All the other squabbles being just the backdrop, and the fight continues.

[Anonymous No.22917856]

What's the deal with House Peake?

[Anonymous No.22917871]

>>22917856
Why? They're a doomed house, that's about it

[Anonymous No.22917929]

What was Daemon's mistake?

[Anonymous No.22917984]

>>22912057
>>22912062
Charles Dance is so fun to watch, every scene is great.

[Anonymous No.22917999]

>>22916816
I mean according to him he’s over 1k pages deep and has hundreds more to go. It is what it is.

[Anonymous No.22918044]

>>22917984
I don't know how he manages it, but he's very good

[Anonymous No.22918067]

>>22916648
Huh figures. Makes me wonder why all writers avoid writing about Enlightenment type worlds.

[Anonymous No.22918112]

>>22917790
Could Tywin done anything to prevent his House's downfall? I think Varys would have targeted him anyway if Tyrion didn't kill him.

[Anonymous No.22918183]

What is sex with Margaery like?

[Anonymous No.22918221]

>>22918183
She's a pro at milking men and women

[Anonymous No.22918264]

>>22916411
This. I enjoyed the books, but it's clear that we're never going to get a conclusion. I'm glad, to be honest, as I just know that Martin would fuck it up much like they did the show.

[Anonymous No.22918321]

>>22918264
What are your expectations now, anon?

[Anonymous No.22918360]

Who deserves to win the most the Game of Thrones?

[Anonymous No.22918423]

What would you do if you were reincarnated as Stannis THE MANNIS Baratheon just after Robert's death?

[Anonymous No.22918437]

>>22918423
Couldn't he have won if he waited for more forces to muster for a land assault on King's Landing or something? I remember he wanted to do it quick, hard, and without sorcery in the book.

[Anonymous No.22918439]

>>22918437
Could he have fared better if he brought Melissandre along?

[Anonymous No.22918542]

>>22918423
She is so erotic in both book and show

[Anonymous No.22918564]

>>22914285
it had already been 8 fucking years, I guess you could argue he was holding off until the show ended to drop the next book since dance released the year the show began, but the wait for dance (ancient picrel) was already pretty long so it's obvious something else was slowing his writing down

[Anonymous No.22918577]

>>22914285
Relations between him and D&D by like season 4 when they started ignoring his plot and butchered his final script for them. I'm sure by the end he was obligated to give them the rundown but it was probably just bullets like
* Jon kills Danny
* Bran becomes King

[Anonymous No.22918629]

Tywin deserved to win over everyone

[Anonymous No.22919594]

>>22918437
If he had waited then he would've had to deal with the combined Lannister-Tyrell army, which he did anyway but he was not aware of their teleportation ability

[Anonymous No.22919865]

>>22917929
Being too much of a chad for his own good

[Anonymous No.22920077]

They are going to take King's Landing in the next book

[Anonymous No.22920088]

>>22912057
>world's coldest take
It's a shame Tyrion had a lobotomy half way through the story. Big L for the lion.

[Anonymous No.22920108]

>>22912988
>>22913200
>>22916411
>>22917300
>>22917999
>>22918044
>>22918577
>>22920077
>>22920088
Checked. Blessed thread, this must mean the next book is coming soon.

[Anonymous No.22920796]

>>22920088
It didn't matter, Varys would have found a way to kill Tywin anyway. They were never safe until the eunuch's head ended on a spike.

[Anonymous No.22920964]

>>22920796
Will the Spider win the GoT?

[Anonymous No.22921154]

>>22920964
Or Littlefinger

[Anonymous No.22921411]

>>22920964
>>22921154
No one will accept commoners on the Iron Throne

[Anonymous No.22921733]

>>22912057
When TyWIN takes Ice, its just so badass