BOTNS memes

[Anonymous No.22797330]

I’m making my book club read BotNS. Can y’all share memes from it? So far there is a mixed response to the book.

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[Anonymous No.22797508]

>>22797330
>I’m making my book club read BotNS.
Big mistake. You just revealed your powerlevel. Should not have done that. I hope this is fake for your sake.

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[Anonymous No.22798017]

>>22797330
what would memes do in this situation? is your book club filled with retarded redditors?

[Anonymous No.22799706]

>>22797527
kek, terrible cover

[Anonymous No.22799763]

Severian rape lil' Severian straight in the bussy

[Anonymous No.22799981]

Typhon was a massive jobber. I was expecting more of him.

[Anonymous No.22800286]

>Severian is only pretending to mourn little Severian and actually he purposely lead him to his death
Why are these niggers like this?

[Anonymous No.22801439]

>>22797508
My power level is not a secret.

[Anonymous No.22801520]

>>22800286
getting rid of him was always his goal. Plus can't blame them for believing anything since every event seems to be necessary in retrospective to the story.

[Anonymous No.22801525]

>>22801439
So tell us more about this book club of yours. What do you typically read in this club? Give some examples. Which books has your group particularly liked?

[Anonymous No.22801528]

>>22799706
I guess that is why you don't judge a book by its cover.

[Anonymous No.22801539]

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[Anonymous No.22801586]

>>22800286
That's a funny shirt though

[Anonymous No.22802101]

In a way it'd be better if you made your book club read first 4 books on their own and then have everyone start rereading from scratch, only now going for all 5.
Out of curiosity, do you plan on going through long and short sun sets later on?

[Anonymous No.22802249]

I finished urth last week, absolutely brilliant. Necessary for a dumbass like me who didn't get everything at first. Is Long sun and short sun as good as this trip? I know nothing about wolfe's other books

[Anonymous No.22802347]

>>22800286
>getting rid of him was always his goal
Why didn't he get rid of him in any of the countless much simpler ways? There are several points through their trek wher Severian asks the boy to wait while he checks out something potentially dangerous. He always could just tell him "wait for me here" and go away never to pick him up. Why did he tell the wizards that Little Severian is his son? He couod just tell them that he does not know the boy and they would take him.

[Anonymous No.22802371]

>>22802249
They are different, long sun feels more like a traditional scifi/fantasy in the way it is written but is just as deep in terms of mysteries. But Silk might be one of my favourite characters ever put to the page.
Short sun is pure kino and will have the same "trip" feeling but long sun is necessary reading before you start that.

[Anonymous No.22802393]

>>22801539
aragorn dune aquinas?

[Anonymous No.22802396]

>>22802249
I know it's an over-used expression, but those books actually feel like a fever dream, especially Short Sun

[Anonymous No.22802473]

this is the only one I have

[Anonymous No.22802572]

>>22802371
>>22802396
Thanks anons appreciated

[Anonymous No.22802616]

>>22802473
I don't get it

[Anonymous No.22804114]

Just finished Lictor. Pretty great.

[Anonymous No.22804368]

So every tome is supposed to have been written by different Severians from consecutive universes, right?

[Anonymous No.22804502]

I think someone should do a BOTNS version of this style.
https://www.reddit.com/r/WojakCompass/comments/uozeu2/house_of_the_dragon_compass/

[Anonymous No.22804826]

>>22802249
Long Sun is something completely new, like a historical novel (inside Solar Cycle universe) written in 3rd person. Short Sun continues the story of Long Sun and it's written in 1st person by the story's protagonist and some side characters. You know how Severian writes at the end of his adventures? Well, this guy begins writing near the end of his adventures, so there are things that happened about a year ago and things that are happening as he writes. Imagine if Severian started writing BotNS while he was returning home to Nessus instead of writing down his memoirs 10 years later. That's what it's like.

[Anonymous No.22804855]

>>22804502
What should it look like?
What I've had in mind for years is:
Monarch/Autarch
Slaves of Abaia/Tools of the Hierodules

[Anonymous No.22804973]

>>22804855
After some more thinking, it would be confusing to try to fit Silk, Rajan, Severian, Blood, Baldanders, Typhon, Hierodules, Duko, Vodalus etc. on the same chart. Each series deserves its own chart.

[Anonymous No.22805116]

>>22804973
It's a cool idea to try and fit them all in, but the more sane approach is probably to go series by series.

[Anonymous No.22806013]

>>22800286
They're the only ones who talk about the bloody book. I'll take this over nothing.

[Anonymous No.22806059]

BOTNS is Infinite Jest except for virgins who hrew up on Call of Duty

[Anonymous No.22806109]

>>22806059
>hrew
read more, retard.

[Anonymous No.22806130]

>>22806109
obviously meant grew, stupid punk BITCH

[Anonymous No.22806704]

>>22802473
Isn't Severian who says that last line?

[Anonymous No.22806722]

>>22804368
Don't think so. There have been multiple iterations of Severian because the world works as cycles. And there are various times when he is resurrected (by at least two different means). I think Wolfe said that the greater powers of the world are responding to previous cycles to get their desired outcome. But the books are written by the same Severian- same anima- in the same universe cycle.

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[Anonymous No.22806746]

>>22806722
>But the books are written by the same Severian- same anima- in the same universe cycle.
Then how come all the times Severian supposedly contradicts himself it never happens within the same volume?

[Anonymous No.22806750]

>>22806013
I mean, yeah, I listen to their podcast too, and I appreciate how knowledgeable they are when it comes to obscure references, but it pisses me off how they try to impose their reading over the text and how they do so many mental gymnastics to explain why Severian is always secretly evil.

[Anonymous No.22806779]

>>22806013
>>22806750
I'm happy they exist because they show the depth of interpretation you can give this book unfortunately they do have a hard-on for telling us how bad Severian is.

[Anonymous No.22806835]

>>22806746
What contradictions did you have in mind? The book is intended as one book in-universe. From what I've heard from others, it was Wolfe's publishers who wanted it split up into multiple volumes. It is also important to keep in mind that if there are contradictions they can arise for multiple reasons such as Severian withholding details, the fact he becomes confused at times and blends memories from Thecla and maybe even the other autarchs, and he may even lie. Sev's kinda goofy in the head at times.

[Anonymous No.22806875]

>>22797330

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>>22806746
I can't really think of any contradictions but some people seem to think that Severian lies on purpose or that his memory is not perfect at all when it's explained in the book how his memory actually works. Basically he does remember everything but not always at the same time he's writing.

[Anonymous No.22807311]

>>22806733
fucking kek, it's perfect

[Anonymous No.22807371]

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[Anonymous No.22807964]

>>22797330
Reading Citadel now. Just got to the chapter where the nun tells Severian communists aren't human kek.

[Anonymous No.22808978]

>>22806013
>They're the only ones who talk about the bloody book
I'm assuming this is Alzabo Soup, I dropped that trash fast. Check out Rereading Wolfe, 10000x better.

[Anonymous No.22809080]

>>22808978
I'll see to that

[Anonymous No.22809132]

>>22797330
Very curious about this, will read it next year. Also nice memes, anon

[Anonymous No.22809826]

>>22806733
Kek

[Anonymous No.22811364]

>>22808978
yea i couldn't deal with their skepticism early into claw. like at what point do you just not believe anything written by sev? their appearance on media death cult was pretty good though and helped me grasp a lot of what gene was doing without having to reread it; although i have reread shadow and claw.

[Anonymous No.22811366]

>>22801586
I don’t get it what does it mean?

[Anonymous No.22811373]

>>22811366
it's a joke. if you can extrapolate, you'd get number 2. it's not funny but i understand why this basedboy would wear it.

[Anonymous No.22811422]

>>22808978
But Rereading Wolfe take for granted you're rereading the books, so it's full of spoilers. The Alzabo Soup redditors are annoying, but are useful for a first read.

[Anonymous No.22811425]

>>22811422
God I hate their bugman small talk at the beginning of every single episode. I couldn't do it any more

[Anonymous No.22812024]

>>22811422
I don't know why you'd want a discussion podcast where they pretend to be reading it for the first time, or why anyone would want a discussion podcast while reading it for the first time.

[Anonymous No.22812072]

>>22812024
Are you autistic, you fucking retard?

[Anonymous No.22812079]

>>22797492
ok, this one got a laugh out of me.

[Anonymous No.22812090]

>>22802371
I liked long sun, and it's super comfy. Silk is a fantastic protag, very human, and its interesting to see him as a counterpoint to Sev. There are bits where it might feel a little like a slog, but I enjoyed all of it.
Short Sun is a treat. I think it's better than New Sun personally. The payoff is so good, and all of Wolfe's tricks are in full effect.

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>>22797330

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>>22812072
Easy there spaz. If you need to be hand held step by step through every novel you read go for it, no need to be rude though.

[Anonymous No.22812543]

Reading Citadel now. Almost halfway through. So far it's just random character telling stories. Very underwhelming.

[Anonymous No.22812638]

>>22812543
I've gotta say the payoff of the stories was pretty great. Bravo, Wolfe.

[Anonymous No.22812719]

>>22807964
>Just got to the chapter where the nun tells Severian communists aren't human
??

[Anonymous No.22812736]

Any general tips for reading BOTNS? I finished the first book (2 volumes) and think it's alright but not really exciting or engaging because the plot feels like it goes nowhere and is confusing. I know I'm missing a lot of subtext. What can I do to "get it" better and enjoy it more when I read the last 2 volumes?

[Anonymous No.22812740]

>>22812736
They are annoying, but they pick a lot of details and references you will likely miss >>22800286

[Anonymous No.22812874]

>>22812736
It becomes pure gold in the Sword of the Lictor, when Severian and Dorcas have a serious talk in Thrax.

[Anonymous No.22812896]

>>22812736
>because the plot feels like it goes nowhere and is confusing
That never changes. And while there's an overarching plot about the new sun, Severian's adventures aren't all that connected to it. Severian is an extremely important person in the world of these books (which isn't a spoiler, since the reader knows he eventually becomes the autarch), but only a small fraction of the things that happen have any real importance. In a way, these books are written in a way akin to those spin offs titled in the vein of "The Adventure of Young Hercules", that take place before the main story and are rather inconsequential. Urth Of The New Sun is where most of the important things actually happen (and still only to a degree), which is funny because it only got written because the publishers forced Wolfe to do so, as they felt the story felt unfinished.

[Anonymous No.22813055]

>>22812090
Had a bit of the opposite, Severian’s story felt complete and neat. Silk has to be rescued b y Horn .
Wolfe does the 'christic' heros journey with each of his characters.
Severian starts as the honest barbarian hero Conan / Hercules type who ends up a Buddha.
Silk is a perfect Parsifal / innocent idiot except except he doesn't save Hyacinth / Kundry / Magdalene, gets cucked instead and ultimately fails / falls but at the same time is transformed into the fallen godhead.
Horn is a bit of a Odysseus and some other archetypes I cannot quite place, rescues his fallen father (who art in heaven) but skips the whole Kundry / fallen women part.
The Silk/Horn journey was a bit much. Severian is neat and felt more profound at the same time.

[Anonymous No.22813075]

>>22807060

I had the same impression. Severian is a straight shooter. Wasn't till seeing Wolfe threads on /lit/ did unreliable narration ever came up.

I inferred from here that people thought Severian was dishonest because of a rape subtext with Jolenta. Severian is uncivilised, Jolenta is an easy women, Sevrian sees a fruits, picks it, eats his fill, then discards it.
I think when he is godhead he briefly reflects on it with regret but that is hardly dishonest.

[Anonymous No.22813080]

Do you think Severian raped Daria?

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>>22813055
Horn (in life) was a failed hero of a different sort, him and Silk were yin and yang. Horn is jaded, seems to hate his family and himself, but has an intense zeal for life. Silk is Christlike but suicidal and despairing.
Horn's an interesting take on the Christian sacrifice, since he doesn't voluntarily choose to give life back to Silk, but still ultimately serves as the catalyst for Silk rebirthing himself at the end by accepting who he is.

[Anonymous No.22814301]

>>22813080
No. He just whipped her.

[Anonymous No.22814999]

>>22811422
I've read the books before and have been listening to them for a while. They're great, but my biggest criticism is that they DON'T actually really do a bunch of cross-referencing to future chapters and books. I think you'd be safe from spoilers.

[Anonymous No.22815411]

>>22797330
When these books came out I imagine Ascians must have seemed a bit silly as a concept, and yet now leftists are just a few generations away from becoming just like that.

[Anonymous No.22816009]

>>22797330
OC

[Anonymous No.22816209]

>>22797330
So what the fuck was the point of Severian having a twin sister? Wolfe is sometimes such a fucking hack. Nigga loves putting mystery boxes that lead to nowhere in his books. Still love BOTNS though.

[Anonymous No.22816273]

>>22797330
>>22797480
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>>22797496
>>22797527
Cringe, just cringe. these shitty memes just exist to toot the books horn so more gullible retards end up reading it. It really fundamentally isn't all that different from Conan, Solomon Kane, Elric and other Dying Earth books.

Note the inclusion of pop culture media that normies will recognize like evangelion, warhammer, berserk, ETC. It's a shill op plain and simple.

[Anonymous No.22816841]

>>22816273
take a day off

[Anonymous No.22817033]

>>22813080
>she wanted to have sex with the autarch
>Severion is the autarch

[Anonymous No.22817393]

>>22797487
Man Sword of the Lictor is so good. My favorite part of BotNS by a long shot.

[Anonymous No.22818058]

>>22816273
Elric and conan are awesome though. One of my favorite things about botns is Severian as a character and just getting to see him go on several little fantasy adventures throughout the books

[Anonymous No.22819111]

>>22816009
kek