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[Anonymous No.22759301]

How to get into reading philosophy?

[Anonymous No.22759308]

>>22759301
https://youtu.be/iNvQA3kcfLw?si=QKtON1YQigCW0e0x
Read Jean Guitton's "Le travail intellectuel" first

[Anonymous No.22759310]

>>22759301
Plato's Republic is a fun place to start

[Anonymous No.22759318]

>>22759301
Step one is usually to fail at everything else in life.

[Anonymous No.22759322]

>>22759318
this, philosophy is for the bungled and the botched

[Anonymous No.22759341]

>>22759301
Stumble on a book once while browsing any library and start reading it

[Anonymous No.22759366]

>>22759301

The best introduction to philosophy is probably Josteen Gardner’s "Sofie’s World," which is a good young adult novel which guides the reader through the history of Philosophy. It’s based off of Bertrand Russel’s "History of Philosophy," which you could read if you don’t want to put up with the narrative.

After the intro with Sofie’s World, you could read Frederick Copplestone’s "History of Philosophy", which is an in-depth study of the topic. I find it to be a useful reference.

In terms of reading philosophy, I would read actually start by reading the Aristotelian Corpus. Aristotle is the first philosopher who explains his worldview in a systematic way. Start with Categories and read through all of the corpus with the exception of the biological works. If you haven’t killed yourself at that point, read through the platonic corpus and therafter.

The reading order I recomend: Aristotle > Plato > Seneca/Marcus Aurelius/Epictetus > Plotinus > Boethius > Anselm > Descartes > Locke > Berkley > Leibniz > Hume > Kant > Fichte > Schelling > Hegel > Kierkegaard > Schopenhauer > Nietszche > Husserl > Heidegger

This should take about ~3-6 years. Complete this and you’ll be smarter than 90-95% of people with a doctorate.

[Anonymous No.22759374]

>>22759301
plato
>but
plato

[Anonymous No.22759456]

>>22759301
Plato

[Anonymous No.22759547]

>>22759301
plato and aristotle. Then onto Stoics then other ancients then to the Medieval. Stop at the 16th century

[Anonymous No.22759577]

>>22759301
you read a couple of the classics, realize it's all useless drivel, then never look back

[Anonymous No.22759629]

>>22759301
take a look at Plato
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDiyQub6vpw

[Anonymous No.22759772]

>>22759301
Step one is not to read, but to start thinking.

[Anonymous No.22760238]

>>22759301
The bible

[Anonymous No.22760475]

>>22760238
Based

[Anonymous No.22760487]

>>22759301
Go to /t/ and find a torrent on philosophy books.
Or pirate a university's into to phil textbook, and read through it, and write down names or ideas that you found interesting, as you read. Then expand into those areas.

[Anonymous No.22760528]

>>22760487
God bless you anon

[Anonymous No.22760591]

>>22759374
based

[Anonymous No.22760600]

>>22760528
One thing that's important to also remember, the further back you go in time, the more you'd also want to read up on their general culture/history of the area, if you can't find out more about the individual.
There's lots of times where you'll gain a bunch of context, from knowing what's either happening in the person's life or from the general culture of the time. Though there's some writing, that's pretty strange, and you'll wonder if they were on drugs or drunk.

[Anonymous No.22760742]

>>22759366
>This should take about ~3-6 years. Complete this and you’ll be smarter than 90-95% of people with a doctorate.
How exactly? Didn't they read it too?

[Anonymous No.22761322]

>>22759301
Start with Aristotle

>Categories
>On Interpretation
>Prior Analytics
>Posterior Analytics
>Topics
>Sophistical Refutations
>Nicomachean Ethics
>Politics
>On the Soul
>On Memory
>Metaphysics

Then read Aquinas

>Summa treatise on God I QQ 1-26 (metaphysics)
>Summa treatise on man I QQ 75-102 (epistemology)
>Summa treatise on law I-II QQ 90-108 (ethics)

That’s it. Everybody who wrote before Aquinas is noted and referenced by Aquinas. Everybody after Aquinas is either wrong or redundant. He’s right about things in the same way Euclid is right about things.

[Anonymous No.22761383]

>>22760742
Considering anon suggested the most basic of philosophers that everyone would know? Of course they read them, anon just thinks that he's smarter than everyone.

[Anonymous No.22761386]

>>22761322
>The Blessed in the Kingdom of Heaven Will See the Punishments of the Damned So That Their Bliss May Be More Delightful to Them
based sadist enjoyer

[Anonymous No.22761389]

>>22761322
Sounds like one of those anons who posts Answers In Genesis as scientific based research.

[Anonymous No.22761439]

>>22761386
The blessed will delight in the punishment of injustice not qua the suffering of the punished but qua the justice being meted out. As will the punished, in a certain sense

[Anonymous No.22761444]

>>22761389
You’re comparing the work of Aristotle and Aquinas to Biblical literalist retards? Do you know who Aquinas is?

[Anonymous No.22761512]

>>22761439
the quote doesn't say justice, your headcanon apologetics for the sadist are pretty funny tho

[Anonymous No.22761520]

Jesus looked like this btw.

[Anonymous No.22761676]

>>22761512
They’re damned because of their unjust actions. Come on man

[Anonymous No.22761693]

>>22761676
>unjust
complete nonsense, but even if that was the case it is still sadism

[Anonymous No.22761696]

>>22761520
Not true, He had a short sides long top haircut just like Billy Graham. He also used grape juice at the Last Supper. Look it up

[Anonymous No.22761761]

>>22759301
>>22759366
I second starting with Sofie's World. Plato is also a good place to start. However, I don't think there's a good starting point with philosophy, just pick up any book that seems interesting to you.

[Anonymous No.22763232]

>>22761693
justice is not sadism retard
you are mistaking justice for sadism this is nonsense argument you are clearly an atheist that hates Christians for whatever reason

[Anonymous No.22763470]

>>22759366
>Aristotle > Plato
Why do you prefer Aristotle more than Plato

[Anonymous No.22763601]

>>22763232
>getting pleasure from other people's suffering is justice
sadistic faggot

[Anonymous No.22763605]

>>22759301
Not the Bible. I challenge anyone to name a single original philosophical insight in that paperweight.

[Anonymous No.22763635]

>>22763601
You are wilfulling misunderstanding the anon who is replying to you. I hope you rejoice and feel pleasure when you see justice done, otherwise I would hate to live in the same political community as you.

[Anonymous No.22763665]

only justice will bring peace

[Anonymous No.22763773]

>>22763601
fucking retard

[Anonymous No.22763867]

>>22759322
>>22759318
So how do I start? Is Plato a good starter?

[Anonymous No.22763964]

>>22763867
yes, Plato is a good starter
take a look at him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDiyQub6vpw

Plato: A Very Short Introduction by Julia Annas.

[Anonymous No.22764344]

>>22763773
you're the retard that is okay with sadism, get your headcanon straight, dumb cunt
>>22763867
you start with Plato if you want to die

[Anonymous No.22764380]

>>22761444
Yes, I know who Saint Thomas Aquinas is. I've read SCG. I find it completely reductive of you, to say that everyone after him is wrong or redundant. Especially when Aquinas could be described as wrong or redundant, when compared to Aristotle.

[Anonymous No.22764382]

>>22761520
no he didn't. you can spend 500k posts arguing about it. start with the moderns

[Anonymous No.22765040]

>>22764344
What if I want to live but my life is a disaster?

[Anonymous No.22765159]

>>22759366
Will reading a "history of" be like a spoiler to reading direct sources?
Or should it just come first just as a primer?

[Anonymous No.22765229]

What can you say about Bertrand Russell "History of Western Philosophy"?

I half way in, just finished catholic part. First my book of such kind, never had interest in philosophy before, but I liked it.


Only thing I'd disliked for now - is the statement "nothing of importance to the world came out of Constantinople except an artistic tradition and Justininian's Codes of Roman Law" before catholic part. Sound like typical view from wester historian with classical education in 19-20 century. Complete neglation of matter (and where thy spirit of science?). At least Russell did not said anything like "vile despotia with orthodox obscurantism" - becase shitshow of powerstuggle, corrupt popes and catholic theology that he discribed later seems no different desu.

[Anonymous No.22765261]

>>22759301
I don't read it, I watch it, and not pop stuff but recorded lectures from professors. Michael Sugrue is really good. Try it, it's a lot more interesting for me.

[Anonymous No.22765384]

>>22759301
There is only one philosopher you should read about.

https://youtube.com/shorts/id0Kkq4VHDo

[Anonymous No.22765401]

>>22765229
It´s really good even though he is unfair to some other writers like Nietzsche or Schopenhauer, but overal a good introduction to the subject.

[Anonymous No.22765555]

>>22759366
This is a good suggestion. Russell's history is also really good, he is opinionated, but fair, and it's written in a non condescending way for a general reader. You should read it anyway.

[Anonymous No.22766660]

>>22765040
Plato is good

[Anonymous No.22766799]

>>22765229
pretty good but not perfect, i like Hegel and Plato stuff more

Bertrand Russell is OK

[Anonymous No.22766804]

>>22759301
I'm really struggling with an overwhelming sense of Catholic guilt- I know it in general comes w/ being raised in the Church.
But I'm basically in a manic state over this, my soul, salvation and my relationship with Christ. Is there a good read to help me weather this? Fucking calm me down?

[Anonymous No.22766991]

>>22760238
This is required reading before starting any of the western canon from the Enlightenment onward. The Bible is still the lenses in which we view the world today, even though that lenses is now inverted.

Other comfy reading after you finish: Augustine's City of God, Dante's Divine Comedy, Milton's Paradise Lost. So much of the view of Christianity and modernity was molded by those books and people have no idea.

[Anonymous No.22766997]

>>22766991
I keep hearing how the bible and all these other works influence our modern world so much and nobody ever gives examples.

[Anonymous No.22767015]

>>22766997
the book of job is a good starter

[Anonymous No.22767021]

>>22767015
I asked for specific examples of modern society being influenced by the bible.

[Anonymous No.22767022]

>>22759301
the bible's stories can dig deep into human philosophy especially the story of Joseph and Job and Jesus you will learn a lot of things and understand the nature of humans and God...

you will learn that God's ways are far beyond our understanding, and he always work for the greater Good.

[Anonymous No.22767033]

>>22766997
To argue that the Bible is not relevant to a European or American society is a means to an end

[Anonymous No.22767291]

>>22767022
>you will learn a lot
>you will learn that it is beyond your understanding

[Anonymous No.22767916]

>>22767291
and ways of dealing with it. book of job for instance is a valuable lesson. atheists shit on it with their quips and smarm but they take zero time to try and understand. suffering exists whether you are sinful or innocent and sometimes the words of even your family members can do more harm than good. you don't know or understand the reason more than anyone else would, but with trust in god, you can have a source of strength to get through it.

[Anonymous No.22769113]

>>22759301
https://www.dhammatalks.org/books/BuddhasTeachings/Section0000.html
https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/KN/Dhp/
https://www.dhammatalks.org/books/WithEachAndEveryBreath/Contents.html

[Anonymous No.22769117]

>>22759366
>Complete this and you’ll be smarter than 90-95% of people

And how does that free you from suffering?

[Anonymous No.22769126]

>>22766804
Did you recently stop believing? Because for me it was just time that eased my worries and cleared my head.