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[Anonymous No.22758040]

Sin is the result of technological society. If we were living in our natural habitat, for which our bodies evolved, then there would be virtually no sin. No depression, no misery, no confusion. No wonder there are porn addicts and fatties and murderers and rapists. You can see the same sort of degeneracy in the rat utopia experiment. Give the rats a few hundreds of years, and they might have developed religion.

It’s clear that technology won’t be erased. Our environment will continue to change much more rapidly than we evolve. We must either wait on natural selection to solve these problems slowly, or take matters into our own hands and accelerate the process with genetic engineering.

[Anonymous No.22758065]

True dat yo!

[Anonymous No.22758258]

Bump

[Anonymous No.22758266]

Your choices are terrible

Why can't we be our natural selves and adapt to technology?

[Anonymous No.22758268]

>>22758040
>If we were living in our natural habitat, for which our bodies evolved, then there would be virtually no sin
>no murderers and rapists
Observe the behavior of literally any animal

[Anonymous No.22758277]

But if we don't advance technologically how will we defend ourselves against more intelligent species like the Greys or Reptoids?

[Anonymous No.22758296]

>>22758268
in the wild, murder and rape are beneficial. That’s the point you fucking imbecile

[Anonymous No.22758308]

>>22758277
exactly. Not to mention our enemies on earth. You can’t prevent every society from advancing.

[Anonymous No.22758313]

>>22758266
Did you even read the OP?
> We must either wait on natural selection to solve these problems slowly..

With you and >>22758268
>>22758277
I’m starting to think this board is full of bots or retards with piss-poor reading comprehension

[Anonymous No.22758340]

This is the most braindead shit I’ve read in awhile, bravo OP

[Anonymous No.22758346]

>>22758340
not an argument, christcuck.

[Anonymous No.22758373]

>>22758040
Exactly. Imagine the horrors AI image factories are unleashing on particularly male adolescents this very moment. They say AI is pg, pg-13 at most. But the Altmans of this industry know that they're the sorcerers behind the long sought after magic mirror of ineluctable enchantment: the Freudian abyss is staring back at billions like never before, with trillions in all but assured profits if society survives with its sanity middlingly intact.

[Anonymous No.22758388]

>>22758040
This is gay pussy stuff. You need to take the reins of your country and assert your superiority.
>but duhh we are all le equally oppressed by shadowy capital forces. These are nothing but tools.

[Anonymous No.22758389]

>>22758040
Fornication and murder are incredibly commonplace in a "natural" setting. You are a fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.22758391]

>>22758389
another anon with 0 reading comprehension. I’m really exposing you brainlets, huh

[Anonymous No.22758396]

>>22758391
Nice bait attempt faggot. Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.22758416]

>>22758396
Okay, let me spell it out for you. Seeking food, getting aroused by naked women and even raping them, killing competitors, etc. are normal behaviors in nature. But we re-created our environment and our instincts are still there. That’s why you have people consciously recognizing that they should diet or stop watching porn, but they still do it. It’s the same desires, same urges, but it doesn’t give you the same advantage in a different environment. Hence why I referenced the rat experiment.

[Anonymous No.22758504]

>>22758040
>be the concept of sin
>originate prior to modern technology
????

[Anonymous No.22758507]

>>22758504
fire and agriculture are also technologies

[Anonymous No.22758516]

>>22758507
How many technologies do you need to make a technological society?

[Anonymous No.22758568]

>>22758516
there’s no need to explain how agriculture revolutionizes society and the way we live

[Anonymous No.22758573]

>>22758568
Actually there is a need. Explain it faggot

[Anonymous No.22758597]

>>22758573
agriculture -> fixed location + more food -> more people

With more people, you lose tribal bonds and so there arises a need to maintain peace among the whole society to prevent murders and rapes. You can’t just kill someone and run off because you’re dependent on that society and its food. And since there’s more food, there’s a greater risk of obesity. With more women, there’s the risk of adultery. With the refinement of language, there arises lying, etc. etc.

[Anonymous No.22758656]

>>22758040
fucking retard idiot moron
sin started in the garden of eden fucking zoomer shithead

[Anonymous No.22758677]

>>22758656
>eat magical fruit
>now you have urges to rape and kill and fuck everything that moves
what the FUCK was in that apple? Surely humans (as well as all other animals) didn’t evolve to have such urges in nature. No, that makes too much sense.

[Anonymous No.22758741]

>>22758040
Is the monkey that uses a stick to gather Ants using technology? Technology is not inherently evil. We must take technology to its extremes while we can. Trust the promethian plan

[Anonymous No.22758760]

>>22758677
>what the FUCK was in that apple? Surely humans (as well as all other animals) didn’t evolve to have such urges in nature. No, that makes too much sense.
obviously, considering animals never rape and murder. only technology made them do that

[Anonymous No.22758779]

>>22758760
Technology only made such acts sinful. They were proper and natural before. Get this through your thick skull

[Anonymous No.22758828]

>>22758040
There is no place for man in either nature or the technological future. Both tree worship and transhumanism converge in that which is outside of the confines of human intersubjectivity, which can be felt in a cold, lonely night. Human beings don't even know what is natural anymore because they were never natural in the first place. Kaczynski never analyses the psychological causes and conditions that led to what is instantly unnatural. The only hope for mankind is through the fetishistic, self-annihilating embrace of an apophatic Other, which is fundamentally anti-humanist.

In other words, both the bird and mech are superior to mankind. In fact, I will go a step further and say there is no greater glory, no greater beauty, than in the complete annihilation of mankind. In this sense, I am looking at where the diametrically opposed routes of both nature worship and intelligent robotics meet: apophatic panpsychism that transcends transient and temporary forms of this human shell.

Everything has Buddhanature but humanity, and therefore, anything that destroys humanity is good, whether being overtaken by nature or machines. It is only through a love of the non-human above one's basal human drives like procreation that one can reach such a luminous mind that is no longer tainted by the human.

[Anonymous No.22758836]

>>22758040
Sin was literally born in the humanities most natural state. The need for technical progress came as a result of the fallen world. Without sin, there's no hunger to sate, misery to mask, or difficult problems to solve.

[Anonymous No.22758862]

>>22758040
Why not just genetically engineer people to not have these "sins"?

[Anonymous No.22758865]

>>22758040
>murderers
Hunter-gatherers have extremely high rates of violence.

https://akarlin.com/violence-is-reality/

[Anonymous No.22758960]

>>22758677
knowledge of good and evil.

[Anonymous No.22759464]

>>22758862
I literally mentioned that
>>22758865
murder isn’t a sin in the wild
>>22758960
so people who have more urges to sin have more knowledge? Lmfao. If only I were a gay pedo with strong urges to rape and steal and murder, then I would be more knowledgeable! Give me a break

[Anonymous No.22759609]

>>22759464
>murder isn’t a sin in the wild
Was Cain killing Abel a sin?

[Anonymous No.22759615]

>>22759609
that was after agriculture

[Anonymous No.22759666]

>>22759615
So basically you're saying before agriculture people weren't human and didn't have any sort of free choice or will. If people have free choice or will they will sin. Only animals "can't sin"

[Anonymous No.22759695]

>>22759666
> If people have free choice or will they will sin.
This is so retarded. This means that Jesus didn’t have free will, and that we won’t have free will in heaven. Why be sinful humans with “free will” when we could be in paradise with no “free will”? Or like Jesus? Sin isn’t proof of free will, but slavery to our nature. And that nature is designed to operate in a much more primitive environment. I am explaining to you why humans have sin while other animals do not (unless you place them in another environment). Even dogs sin when they do something they’re not supposed to (and they can certainly be conditioned to do otherwise). They also feel guilt and shame. And as I mentioned, the rat experiment proves how degenerate a species can become when it inhabits a fixed environment of abundance.

Your theories of sin are outdated and incoherent. Evolution explains it all.

[Anonymous No.22759737]

>>22758040
Wrong. Read Ellul.
>As Genesis shows us, the origin of sin in the world is not knowledge, as is often said (as though God were interdicting our intellectual development, which would be absurd); it is knowledge of good and evil. In this context knowledge means decision. What is not acceptable to God is that we should decide on our own what is good and what is evil. Biblically, the good is in fact the will of God. That is all. What God decides, whatever it may be, is good. If then we decide what the good is, we substitute our will for God's. We construct morality when we say and do what is good, and it is then that we are sinners. To elaborate a moral system is to show oneself to be a sinner before God, not because the conduct is bad, but because, even if it is good, another good is substituted for the will of God.

[Anonymous No.22759753]

>>22759737
We don’t “decide” what is good. We simply follow our god-given instincts which are more beneficial in a more primitive environment. God could have designed us to have much less temptation and sin.

The theory of evolution gives a much better account for why modern humans are miserable and “sinful”

[Anonymous No.22759764]

>>22759753
Animals follow their instincts, it's humans that are able to reflect on their actions through free will and make moral decisions. Are you an animal or made in the image of God?

[Anonymous No.22759784]

>>22759764
As I mentioned here>>22759695, even dogs are capable of making “moral” decisions and they know when they did something “wrong.”

You don’t need free will to have multiple, conflicting desires, and the understanding that one of them is probably the best action to take. But in the end you will always follow your greatest desire. It’s not as if homosexuals simply use their will to be gay, they inherently have a disadvantage because they lust after men in the way that you lust after women. All of this is perfectly explained in a deterministic universe with evolution.

But if you really want to prove free will, then stop sinning completely and be perfect like Jesus. You literally can’t.

[Anonymous No.22759912]

"The Pirahãs show no evidence of depression, chronic fatigue, extreme anxiety, panic attacks, or other psychological ailments common in many industrialized societies." …

"I have never heard a Pirahã say that he or she is worried. In fact, so far as I can tell, the Pirahãs have no word for worry in their language. One group of visitors to the Pirahãs, psychologists from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology’s Brain and Cognitive Science Department, commented that the Pirahãs appeared to be the happiest people they had ever seen."

-Daniel Everett, "Don't Sleep There Are Snakes" (2009) p. 278

[Anonymous No.22759920]

>>22759912
try convincing them that they need jesus lol

[Anonymous No.22759925]

Here we found a few Snake Indians comprising 6 men 7 women and 8 or
10 children who were the only Inhabitants of this lonely and secluded spot.
They were all neatly clothed in dressed deer and Sheep skins of the best
quality and seemed to be perfectly contented and happy. …I almost wished
I could spend the remainder of my days in a place like this where happiness
and contentment seemed to reign in wild romantic splendor….

-Osborne Russell, "Journal of a Trapper" (1965) pp. 26-27

The Mbuti "were a people
who had found in the forest something that made their life more than
just worth living, something that made it, with all its hardships and problems
and tragedies, a wonderful thing full of joy and happiness and free
of care.”

-Colin Turnbull "Forest People" (1962) p. 26

[Anonymous No.22759947]

"Thus the pygmies stand before us as one of the most natural of human
races, as people who live exclusively in accord with nature and without any
violation of their organism. In this they show an unusually sturdy naturalness
and heartiness, an unparalleled cheerfulness and freedom from care."

-Paul Schebesta, Bambuti-Pygmäen vom Ituri (1938) p. 73