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/wg/ Writing General Anonymous Mon Oct 2 03:50:51 2023 No.22555476 [Reply] [Original]

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>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 04:40:58 2023 No.22555607 File: 85 KB, 1124x660, giacomo-leopardi.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I was late to post in the other thread so here it is again. My translation from Leopardi. > Alla Luna micz.substack.com/p/to-the-moon

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 05:02:52 2023 No.22555654 How much action is necessary in the opening chapter of a fantasy story? I know opening in medias res is the current meme for stories, but starting with tension high instead of building up to it feels so limiting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 05:03:46 2023 No.22555656 >>22555654 None whatsoever. The Lord of the Rings opens with several chapters without any action.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 05:07:43 2023 No.22555667 what's the hardest part about writing

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 05:09:33 2023 No.22555669 File: 261 KB, 720x1512, Screenshot_20230929-120818.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22555476 The next /lit/ hit, to be published until the end of the year.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 05:09:57 2023 No.22555670 >>22555476 >/wg/ NaNoWriMo Discord pls stop shilling this groomer platform

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 05:13:34 2023 No.22555677 >>22555667 Editing what you've written into something worth reading.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 05:14:28 2023 No.22555681 >>22555667 Getting others to read

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 05:16:36 2023 No.22555683

>>22555654
Define action. For example the first GoT chapter has a fight scene, but the whole chapter isn't an "action chapter".

Essentially the main purpose of setting action in the opening is to establish tension and tone. If it's just a scene of a bunch of soldiers killing orcs or whatever, it's probably pointless. A book isn't some blockbuster movie, it doesn't need to start with a committee mandated action scene interspersed with comedy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 05:18:15 2023 No.22555687 >>22555669 Squalid used twice within two paragraphs in unrelated contexts, 0.4/10.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 05:25:35 2023 No.22555698 >>22555670 It’s my server. It’s not associated with any other server and it’s the only server I have. I’m the only mod there. I won’t put up with any shenanigans.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 05:27:01 2023 No.22555702 >>22555698 ok groomer

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 05:28:04 2023 No.22555707 >>22555698 It still cannibalizes discussion from here, Discord is killing forums pls stop using for wg

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 05:29:13 2023 No.22555709 >>22555669 What’s it about?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 05:30:33 2023 No.22555713 >>22555669 Reads like Gardner.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 05:38:23 2023 No.22555734 >>22555698 What the hell? It’s my server.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 05:39:30 2023 No.22555737 >>22555734 Thank you to the OP for adding it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 05:39:45 2023 No.22555739 >>22555476 >>22555698 >>22555734 DO NOT TRUST DISCORD DO NOT JOIN DISCORD

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 05:56:24 2023 No.22555787 >>22555669 lold

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 06:03:54 2023 No.22555808

>>22555739
probably still more trustworthy than the /lit/ tinychat from years ago. had like communist camwhores who would try to brick your router for saying trump could win the election. I remember some piano playing jew who would do that inbetween showing his gravity bong and talking about flunking his math degree.

no offense, just saying. besides if you're serious about writing maybe it's not a good idea to leave an easily identifiable chat record on a compromised platform. dunno, maybe this discord channel is different, but there's some pretty insufferable blowhards on /lit/.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 06:05:51 2023 No.22555812 File: 1.45 MB, 1223x2341, stupid.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Tell me this is shit.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 06:09:31 2023 No.22555817

>>22555808
any of that stuff (discord, tinychat) is wack
>communist camwhores who would try to brick your router for saying trump could win the election. I remember some piano playing jew who would do that inbetween showing his gravity bong and talking about flunking his math degree.
that is lol and basically what i imagine when i see SJW opinions on here

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 06:09:56 2023 No.22555819 >>22555654 I got blasted for having a shit opening chapter. I gave up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 06:10:01 2023 No.22555820 >>22555607 Oh not bad. Thanks for posting I really enjoyed it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 06:12:10 2023 No.22555826 >>22555654 the first chapter should have your Protagonist, a portrayal of his psychological and moral weakness and the overall conflict in it

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 06:13:11 2023 No.22555829 >>22555667 for me it's literally typing the words, not that it is hard or that I have difficulty finding the words, but literally the act of sitting there for hours typing

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 06:33:31 2023 No.22555894 File: 85 KB, 341x512, cover.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://pastes.io/uekdg1ce1t

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 06:35:13 2023 No.22555902 >>22555826 This

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 06:38:28 2023 No.22555911 >>22555654 0 action necessary. Just make it interesting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 06:40:06 2023 No.22555917 >>22555894 not going to lie, at first I was thinking it says into the depths of the urinal

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 06:40:51 2023 No.22555919 >>22555917 That really pisses me off

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>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 07:01:32 2023 No.22555978 >3am >work tomorrow >should sleep >gonna edit my masterpiece

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 07:35:45 2023 No.22556082 >no work >ever >not working on my masterpiece >ever

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 07:41:34 2023 No.22556095

>>22555812
it’s not shit. every good short story needs this type of ending so that’s good, although I think it was a bit of an asspull unless a bunch of the set up just went over my head or something. also you definitely 100% absolutely must not do the thing where you repeat a sentence twice. otherwise I like it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 07:44:15 2023 No.22556103 >>22555667 It requires long bouts of solitude and peace. And obviously once your actual writing is finished, almost nobody cares to read it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 07:45:44 2023 No.22556109 >>22555669 >tense errors Nice bait

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 07:58:41 2023 No.22556141

>>22555812
It’s not total shit. Your prose is trying too hard. I always say this, but please just use your natural voice. So, so many writers try way too hard to embellish their prose by attempting something beyond them. You might want to read more, and maybe compare your prose to that of a celebrated master.
For example:
>To how this apparition came to be was a mystery in itself, but how it came to us was a memory as vivid as each individual pine needle from an evergreen.
The first word of this sentence is redundant, and errant. Ask yourself why you chose to start this sentence with that word. It may be because you want to sound more sophisticated. Stop trying to sound sophisticated, it never works ever. Sophisticated writers can tap into sophisticated writing after much reading and writing practice, you may be short on both. Your example excerpt has many other examples of clunky purple grammar as well. You can do better. Good luck and never give up.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 08:13:19 2023 No.22556171

>>22555894
Please don’t use that cover.
Anyway, straight out of the gate here:
> The Beast’s intoned cry shook me from my train ride nap.
Remove the word intoned. I know you really want to use this word because you discovered it and want to flex but the verbiage gets in your own way.
> There you are. I’ve been looking up and down the train for you,” Hannah said, pushing her voice into the shrill, sing-songy tone she used to speak to me.
>“Hello, Hannah,“ I croaked out.
I might instead say
Pushing her voice into a shrill, song-songy tone. She always used to do that.

Otherwise I might put the word “that” between ‘she’ and ‘used’ to better clarify that it’s something *she would do*.
>I croaked out.
This is sort of cringey attribution. If you are determined to use basic attribution (which you don’t have to do), just stick with the word “said”. Anything else can come across as amateur.
I might instead say
“Hello Hannah.” My voice croaked.

That is also if you’re intent on using the work croaked which I just don’t recommend because I don’t love overly descriptive attribution.
Good luck never give up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 08:17:11 2023 No.22556172 >>22555607 This is good. It’s a fairly brief poem so you’re on easy mode but good nonetheless. Keep it up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 08:37:37 2023 No.22556206 I want to make the main character of my UF story cool and generally likeable. How should I go about that? Snarkiness sounds like it could be a good start. The success of the Dresden Files proves it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 08:40:31 2023 No.22556216 >>22555607 Honestly i think it sounds better then the Penguin translation i have, and it even seems about as accurate. > years slid over the horizon may be a bit different but otherwise its really almost identical.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 08:45:54 2023 No.22556227 >>22556206 He has to win an argument against somebody who is noble or intelligent. Also snarkiness is neither cool nor likable.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 08:54:53 2023 No.22556242 >>22556171 >Please don’t use that cover. Why? It's amazing. Thanks for the notes but I got a feeling it'll make sense why I wrote that way when you read the whole thing.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 08:58:48 2023 No.22556255

>>22556242
The cover is maybe so bad that it’s good, but it’s not good. Same goes for your writing. Unless you are pulling a Gardner, and intentionally writing from the perspective of a bad writer, then no I probably won’t get it if I read the whole thing. My criticism pertains to your prose, not your storytelling.
All that being said tho, my opinion is just a mote in the spray. I know you’ll keep rolling on and getting better. Read some Hemingway.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 09:00:14 2023 No.22556260 >>22556255 Don't apply third-person prose standards to narratives written in the first person. That's just silly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 09:02:25 2023 No.22556268 >>22556260 What makes you think my standards apply only to third person prose?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 09:02:54 2023 No.22556270 >>22556268 Because first-person narratives are written in character.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 09:09:15 2023 No.22556276

>>22556270
What did I say that criticized your use of ‘writing in character’? My criticism of your attribution?

Consider this:

“Hey, how are you?” I smiled and pushed the envelope across the table. “Before you answer that, read this.”

“What’s this?” She lifted its corner and peeked at the name, it was written in my hand. “Another love letter?”

See how I didn’t once say ‘said’ or ‘I said’ or ‘she said’ or ‘I asked’ or ‘I most curiously inquired’. I even got to describe actions that implied the attribution.

That’s what I meant.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 09:10:29 2023 No.22556277 >>22556270 Like I said, if your character has bad prose, then it makes sense. Otherwise, it’s just bad prose.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 09:12:53 2023 No.22556282 >>22556276 based editor

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 09:13:45 2023 No.22556283 >>22556276 Didn't ask but thanks anyway >>22556277 pyw

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 09:14:28 2023 No.22556284 >>22556283 >not recognizing that anon's edit as helping your writing fuck you bitch,

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 09:15:33 2023 No.22556289 >>22556283 Well you posted it in a workshopping thread, so I offered critique. It’s not a big deal. Can’t stop, won’t stop.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 09:15:59 2023 No.22556291 >>22556284 If by "help" you mean "remove all characterization."

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 09:18:02 2023 No.22556298 >>22556289 The prose is characterized. Between you and me, I think he had a point, that edit is much more readable. But the character thinks otherwise.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 09:28:00 2023 No.22556320

>>22556291
It’s not terribly written, it’s just a little pretentious but not by a ton.

> “That’s nice,” she let out with a sigh. She pulled up her polo shirt to let her navel cool. My disgust only mounted as several gentlemanly passers-by found their heads swiveling to take in the sight. Hannah was not a naive girl. On the contrary, she was a genius. She saw the way men looked at her. I’m sure she enjoyed it. Her shameless exhibitionism made me sick.

Consider this instead:
“That’s nice.” She sighed and pulled up her shirt to cool herself, exposing her navel. Some passers-by craned and gawked which disgusted me, though I knew she was not a naive girl. Quite the contrary, Hannah was a genius. She saw the way they looked at her. And sun s ur r she enjoyed it. That kind of exhibition was shameless and it made me sick.

The voice you’re using comes across a little pretentious and sort of underdeveloped. But you have my respect for showing up and writing nevertheless. Try not to take it to heart. Read some Hemingway.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 09:30:06 2023 No.22556325 >>22556320 Again, a much more readable edit completely devoid of my (highly developed) character.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 09:30:15 2023 No.22556326 I’m phonefagging anyway so my typos do us both discredit

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 09:31:26 2023 No.22556331 >>22556326 I don't need ti call out your typos, it's your thoughts that are silly. Read more than Hemingway.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 09:31:32 2023 No.22556332 >>22556325 you sound smug as fuck and don't recognize an edit that cleans up your awkward writing

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 09:32:36 2023 No.22556335 >>22556332 I recognize it and I recognize that it's not a fit for this project. Thanks but try to dig deeper with your crit.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 09:34:53 2023 No.22556341

>>22556331
If you’re intentionally developing a character that has clunky and purposefully less readable prose, then I acknowledge and accept that. Lots of writers do this, but do it more directly, so that the reader at least knows that the writer doesn’t just have bad prose. Or they will contrast the idiosyncratic prose with narrative that is more readable. But if your entire story is intentionally a little clunky and strained, it might reflect on you as a writer.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 09:35:31 2023 No.22556342 >>22556335 >it's supposed to be awkward writing with passive tenses and mangled clauses lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 09:35:36 2023 No.22556343 >makes an oil painting >"Hmpf no you should've made a pastel painting" thanks for the crit

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 09:37:06 2023 No.22556345 >>22556343 Maybe show me something you’ve written that wasn’t ‘in that character’. And I can show you my writing and you can critique it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 09:38:57 2023 No.22556350 >>22556345 >critiquing an erotic story meant to be the sexual shitpost i just read the rest of the story lol tbf your edit was more than deserved

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 09:40:58 2023 No.22556354 >>22556350 >eroticism = shitpost You are repressed

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 09:43:18 2023 No.22556358 >>22556354 Let’s see something else you’ve written. Here, I wrote this. Let me know what you think: https://lampbylit.com/magazine/bury-the-mare-in-the-morning/

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 09:44:57 2023 No.22556363 >>22556341 >>22556342 All I can say is that you don't know the character. Wait for it to go up on Royal Road, I want thoughts that dig deeper than what you've given me.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 09:49:08 2023 No.22556375

>>22556363
You’re literally talking to two editors of a magazine lol. Anyway I can tell all you’re looking for is a blowjob so I’m sorry about that. Like I said, I’m sure you’re getting better. Offer my work some critique if you know the difference between good and bad. Otherwise I bid you well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 09:54:04 2023 No.22556391 >>22556375 >appeal to authority We're anonymous here pal. You're just another hack.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 09:57:06 2023 No.22556399 >>22556358 >The men scratched themselves and drank from mugs and the pilot came from the office and spoke and went to the lot and drove away. Is this a joke You're trying to edit my work

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:00:47 2023 No.22556407

>>22556391
No worries. I offered you honest criticism regarding your prose. I know you’re reluctant to think critically of your own work, that’s not easy. I dont need to understand the character to critique the prose, unless you are intentionally writing with idiosyncratic prose, in which case, it’s an understandable notion on my behalf because I have nothing else of yours with which to compare it, so how would I know it’s intentionally idiosyncratic?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:01:52 2023 No.22556409 >>22556399 That’s not a critique. What about that line makes it bad?

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:14:40 2023 No.22556431
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>>22556358
I got up to "meet me in the bedroom." I had to force myself to get there. There's no story here. It's just verbose descriptions and weirdly written dialogue. No clue what the hell they're talking about and there's nothing to hook me into finding out.
Your prose isn't amazing either. Aside from >>22556399 there's the opening.
>This prospector’s highway would go nowhere but to that little land beyond which no more highways went and all along the way the winter wagons made their slow wrangle south, snowblind and buried by frozen rain.
Make that 2 sentences
>“Things in the country aint the same as they is in the city. But things this far out aint even the same as they is in the country.”
Are we just supposed to guess who says this? Are we also supposed to guess what the hell they're talking about?
>Now slept the souls that needed no saving and out came the wolves.
Now this line I like. If only it had narrative weight.
>The window went up and the truck pulled down the driveway into the soft snow and parked and a pair of bodies came out and made their work.
*The window went up. The truck pulled down the driveway and parked in the soft snow. A pair of bodies (dullest way to describe two people) came out and made their work.

If you were my editor I'd ask for a refund.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:15:13 2023 No.22556434 >>22556409 Be, like, Kirk. Use, commas.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:20:52 2023 No.22556451 >>22556407 That's the thing. You haven't posted any real crit. You just pecked at my prose. Please dig deeper.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:30:10 2023 No.22556477

>>22556431
Fair enough. It’s a slow story. The main points of criticism I’ve gotten are that it’s not very exciting until the end. I accept that. It’s not my best work but I’m always improving. You might not understand what’s happening if you’re unable to finish the story, but I didn’t finish yours either (then again I didn’t partially read yours and claim it didn’t make sense, just that it’s poorly composed). My style prefers longer sentences, fewer punctuation, and maybe a more cinematic narrative approach, where I’m not directly spoonfeeding my audience. I appreciate your commentary though. That was the first short story I wrote for that magazine.

>>22556451
Prose is the most fundamental aspect to writing. If F. Gardner rewrote Hamlet, would it be good? No, because although the story is epic, great even, we may never know because the prose would obscure it from the reader. Anybody who disagrees with me that prose is the ultimate indicator of a writer’s characterization hasn’t read enough to know better.

Answer me this: what is your favorite book? Who is your favorite author?

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:35:37 2023 No.22556491
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do you guys write any taboo stuff? or do you just walk around the topics to play it safe out of the fear of not getting published? what is your off limits that for definitely not writing? when do you stop yourself from writing something

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:35:50 2023 No.22556492 >>22556451 Please dig deeper. Please dig deeper. Please dig deeper.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:38:57 2023 No.22556502

>>22556477
No story =/= slow story
>a more cinematic narrative approach, where I’m not directly spoonfeeding my audience.
What does this even mean? Can you explain what you were thinking when you wrote this? Because as someone who knows about cinema it's gibberish.

Your prose is not good enough for me to consider you an arbiter on what is and isn't good prose.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:40:13 2023 No.22556508

>>22556491
Yeah sure; here’s some really edgy and gross smut I recently created:
https://www.amazon.ca/Karma-Whore-Cola-Maria/dp/B0CHKTLYJ5
Also I think we all probably tried to write something super graphic and violent after we first read American Psycho or Beloved or Blood Meridian. My first book I tried to make as violent as possible and I think it worked, not that the plot is any good lol.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:40:50 2023 No.22556510 >>22556407 Uploaded some more of my writing so you can compare/contrast https://docdro.id/96KR3GD

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:41:30 2023 No.22556512 >>22556502 you suck ass and the other guy made a decent story but not great Gonna ask me to dig deeper, fag?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:42:50 2023 No.22556517 File: 187 KB, 272x348, 1515551451758.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22556512

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:45:01 2023 No.22556527 >>22556510 >https://docdro.id/96KR3GD Virus link

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:45:58 2023 No.22556531 >>22556527 Your NFTs are now mine

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:47:29 2023 No.22556535 >>22556531 stfu scumbag

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:48:41 2023 No.22556541

>>22556502
I meant that for the line of dialogue with no attribution, it becomes apparently by the end who said it.
I meant that in the same way when a movie starts, you may not exactly know what’s happening until you watch it for a bit longer. To understand what is happening with the story in the first few paragraphs would require spoonfeeding, handholding, or overt exposition.
>>22556510
What’s the name of this piece? Looks like it’s been on that leg for a while.
Also what’s your favorite book and author, anon?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:49:12 2023 No.22556542 >>22556535 Good luck finding me I'm behind over 9000 proxies

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:49:42 2023 No.22556543 >>22556541 Page* not leg.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:49:56 2023 No.22556544 >>22556542 and you'll need over 9000 edits b4 you get good at writing

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:52:39 2023 No.22556550

>>22556541
>when a movie starts, you may not exactly know what’s happening
That's not how it works.
In cinema, conflict is injected into the very first frame. The full gravity of the conflict may not become apparent until later in the film, but it's always there, lurking just out of view. That's what keeps you watching.
I didn't find that in your story.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:53:01 2023 No.22556552 >>22556502 There’s a story, you only read the first page :^)

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:53:55 2023 No.22556558 >>22556544 dig deeper

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:54:02 2023 No.22556559 >>22556550 So what’s your favorite book and author?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:54:59 2023 No.22556561 >>22556552 Stories usually start on page one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:55:03 2023 No.22556562 >>22556558 Dig deeper, anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:55:37 2023 No.22556563 >>22556558 (You to your dom daddy)

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:55:59 2023 No.22556565 >>22556559 I don't keep favorites. Ask me a better question.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:56:54 2023 No.22556567 >>22556565 Have you read Moby-Dick?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:57:00 2023 No.22556568 >>22556562 really flexing the creativity there bro >>22556563 Keep me out your fantasies

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:57:11 2023 No.22556569 >>22556565 lol i can't believe i even read your shite story to begin with you sound like a redditor

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:58:20 2023 No.22556570 >>22556568 ("guy" who says "dig deeper" to every dude zher meets)

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:58:40 2023 No.22556573 >>22556541 >it’s been on that leg for a while What does this even mean? Dig deeper

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:00:04 2023 No.22556576 >>22556569 A redditor would've said Hemingway. >>22556570 When you're not being creative I won't be either.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:02:06 2023 No.22556583

I ask for face book and author for this reason:
Whenever I give a critique of someone’s prose, and they get butthurt, I posit that perhaps they’re not well read enough to have developed proper prose. And that makes them really mad.
And so I ask them what thwir faves are, and usually I get stuff like Stephanie Meyer or Brandon Sanderson or something, or they just say ‘I don’t pick favorites’. Or some of them admit that they haven’t read the classics. So all I’m doing now is trying to find out if you’ve actually read the classics required to have good prose. Have you ever read Moby-Dick?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:03:32 2023 No.22556588 Because in order to have even near decent prose, you have to be well read enough in the classics.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:04:33 2023 No.22556590 Boy, those posts would be super traumatic for me if I hadn't read the classics.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:04:43 2023 No.22556591 And it sounds like you can’t even articulate any of your favorite books. Which is a dead giveaway I’m afraid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:05:01 2023 No.22556593 Because in order to have enve near decent prose, you have to be well read in [insert genre of books I like]

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:06:02 2023 No.22556596 >>22556590 You don’t read at all from the sounds of it. And it shows I’m afraid. Name one classic book you really loved. Or by all means take this opportunity to tell me they reading classics isn’t important.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:06:58 2023 No.22556597 >>22556596 >Name one classic book you really loved. See? There's a mature question. W&P

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:07:03 2023 No.22556598 >>22556593 Nope, just classic literature. Any academic English writing study would agree.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:08:46 2023 No.22556605 >>22556597 What’s W&P stand for? What’s the title?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:09:46 2023 No.22556610 Oh Tolstoy

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:09:56 2023 No.22556612 I like W&P but I think its philosophy falls flat. Great men exist. Tolstoy himself was a great man. I think C&P is a much better takedown of the kinds of traps "great man" thinking can make you fall into.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:10:57 2023 No.22556615 >>22556597 Who is your fave character from War and Peace and why?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:11:35 2023 No.22556616 So uh what now? We're both well-read hacks with pretentious slop on our platters.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:12:35 2023 No.22556622 >>22556615 Napoleon obviously because he's Napoleon

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:13:32 2023 No.22556625 >>22556598 >academic English writing study hahahahaha name the last good author academic writing programs have produced (don't include writers that were swallowed up by them after they became famous)

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:13:43 2023 No.22556626 >>22556616 You should have said Frankenstein or something, because I’m pretty sure the author of Sinner’s Descent has not read War and Peace lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:14:46 2023 No.22556628 Now let's test your media literacy. Tell me: >a book you really like >a movie you really like >a band/album/song you really like >a painting you really like etc

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:14:46 2023 No.22556629 >>22556625 Robert James Cross of course.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:15:47 2023 No.22556632 File: 724 KB, 446x251, 23009129715444.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22556626 I am the individual in question.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:17:08 2023 No.22556636 https://pastebin.com/NspzssKA give me your critique on my opening passage

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:17:45 2023 No.22556638

>>22556628
Moby-Dick
The Godfather
The Beatles
Interior by Degas.

No worries tho my phone is almost dead and I’m afraid you’re still no closer to understanding why Sinner’s Descent has some pretty detrimental composition issues. I wish you well tho. Talk soon.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:18:48 2023 No.22556639

as a nonbiased viewer the guy in amp had the better story, but it unironically needed to be edited for punctuation. keep working at it and in a years time maybe print mag tier
the sinner's descent was hentai newgrounds level writing in a bad way, but i'm sure there's a market for that
now both of you can hopefully stfu

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:20:27 2023 No.22556642 >>22556639 You’re -on 4chan -in a workshop thread You may see yourself out

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:21:14 2023 No.22556644 >>22556636 This guy knows how to inject conflict from the first sentence. Pretty good shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:21:35 2023 No.22556645 >>22556642 to be fair, those hentai games made a lot bro take up a female pen name and you could probably write one of them drug store novels in around 5 years

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:22:15 2023 No.22556649 >>22556638 OK now name some picks that aren't purely entry-level.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:23:28 2023 No.22556652 >>22555894 this is shit and you know it. 10/10 trolling

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:24:07 2023 No.22556654 >>22556639 >hentai newgrounds level writing I like how you had to add "in a bad way" because you knew that's exactly what I'm going for

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:25:13 2023 No.22556656 >>22556654 TOPKEK

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:25:14 2023 No.22556658 >>22556652 it isnt trolling the guy publishes on rr i had never known so many people like internet erotica until a couple years ago

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:26:14 2023 No.22556661 >>22556644 thanks, I've been trying to make my openings more punchy

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:26:43 2023 No.22556663 >>22556652 Dig deeper

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:26:49 2023 No.22556664 >>22556654 Yeah, because i didn't want you to have the conception that it was a "good" piece at least it had no spelling errors or blatant grammar issues, which is at least okay

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:27:03 2023 No.22556665 >>22556649 Eggplant by Ogden Nesmer Irreversible by Gaspar Noe Template by Tijuana Nights Anything by Alex Beinstock

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:27:37 2023 No.22556668 >>22556227 >snarkiness is neither cool nor likable. And yet the most popular protagonists, like Stark or Harry Dresden, are extremely snarky.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:28:14 2023 No.22556669 >>22556668 joss whedon shut the fuck up u got ran out of hollyjo

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:29:11 2023 No.22556674 DIG DEEPER I G D E E P E R

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:29:56 2023 No.22556680 >>22556674 do this

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:30:59 2023 No.22556683 >>22556665 >Irreversible by Gaspar Noe My favorite first date movie

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:31:31 2023 No.22556684 >>22556668 you have an it taste

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:34:20 2023 No.22556687 >>22556664 Care to dig deeper and tell me exactly what about the narrative didn't connect with you?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:37:05 2023 No.22556691 >>22556358 >>22556508 Dude you fucking suck at writing. Literally your writing is garbage-tier. >>22555894 has an immediately compelling story and already very natural dialogue. Kek anon you really embarrassed yourself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:38:06 2023 No.22556693 I can't believe I'm the best writer in this general

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:38:17 2023 No.22556694 >>22556691 Agreed. Some people are just really bad writers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:39:18 2023 No.22556695 >>22556694 Yes I agree.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:41:25 2023 No.22556700 >>22556628 The Bridge by Hart Crane Out 1. Noli Me Tangere by Jacques Rivette J. S. Bach's Goldberg Variations performed by Glenn Gould Nederlandse spreekwoorden by Peter Brueghel d. Altere Or: Les demoiselles d'Avignon by Pablo Picasso

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:41:26 2023 No.22556701 >>22555894 This is actually really good. Good job by the way.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:47:41 2023 No.22556712 >>22556701 I think so too. The characters are interesting and it makes me want to read more.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:48:40 2023 No.22556717 File: 99 KB, 1095x1380, vpmgtw8yksp61.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://pastebin.com/U7Ktx9mp I'm feeling pretty good on this one, maybe its just my sense of humor but its very fun to write

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:49:13 2023 No.22556718 >>22556701 >>22556691 Will get the rest up on Royal Road on the 13th.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:55:45 2023 No.22556726 >>22556718 Awesome! You’re an amazing writer! One of the best I’ve come across on /lit/ for sure.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 12:01:28 2023 No.22556737 >>22556082 strangely enough I find when I am pressured by the daily grind of a meaningless job I write more than when I neetmax

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 12:09:11 2023 No.22556753 >>22556669 Whedon didn't write Dresden Files.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 12:09:52 2023 No.22556754

>>22555826
My protagonist is three different people that all think they're the same person in the same place at the same time. I'm not like the other girls. You won't last three pages for my perfectly amateurish prose and incoherent narrative structure will filter all but the most forgiving readers. Only the gods will read the entire thing.
>>22555894
Classic mistake of showing us a relatable setting that's easy to picture right away. The reader is brought into a world that makes sense, a world of trains and reason. This makes the text accessible to undesirables.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 12:11:16 2023 No.22556760 >>22556754 Wait for the 13th

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 12:40:56 2023 No.22556816 Writing genre fiction is okay and I'm tired of pretending it's not.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 12:41:52 2023 No.22556817 >>22556816 its much harder not to write genre fiction, it feels like every one of my story tries its hardest to deviate from reality

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 13:00:12 2023 No.22556854 has anybody joined an irl writing club here? Any tips for an autist who is particularly protective of his work (for no good reason)?

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 13:04:02 2023 No.22556860
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>tfw I'll never get published
My manuscript got selected for a competition and right when I was getting confident, I got a mail saying I didn't make the next round. My short stories also get rejected by amgazines, so I'm wondering if I'm overestemating my writing skill

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 13:06:52 2023 No.22556864

>>22556860
I don't care what some competition thinks of you, brother. What your post is telling me is that you are capable of seeing a work through and finishing it. Which means all you need to do to improve is to continue writing and finishing. Fuck competitions and fuck people trying to tell you you're not good enough. Write, anon, write.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 13:11:38 2023 No.22556875 >>22556864 Thanks anon, I gave myself one day to mope about it and then continue. But part of me really longs for all the recognition from the gay magazines etc. I just really can't deal with rejection.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 13:14:36 2023 No.22556880

>>22556875
I understand anon. It's normal to feel like shit after multiple rejections but it's part of the game. You are clearly able to be self critical of your work, so if you keep a level head and keep finishing then you will only increase your chances of getting that recognition. Which most writers would be lying about if they said they didn't want. I know I want it too

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 13:52:05 2023 No.22556961 how do people manage to twist comedy into something more dramatic without ruining it, something like the end of catch-22 were the entire book is comedic but the end is a gut punch of the dramatic

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 13:52:17 2023 No.22556962 >>22556860 Does your writing contain mudslimes and strong disabled lesbian black non-binary otherkin? No? You're not getting published.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 13:53:18 2023 No.22556965 >>22556961 >without ruining it Define "ruining it". Ruining what? The comedy? Or drama? To generate drama you need to shatter comedy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 13:54:31 2023 No.22556969 >>22556628 Animal Farm. Bladerunner. Sabaton. The melting clocks, I don't know the title. I like Beksiński stuff too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 13:55:26 2023 No.22556971 >>22556965 Its hard to put into words, but you can see when something comedic ruins their comedy with drama or something dramatic ruins the tension with comedy

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 14:00:11 2023 No.22556988

>>22556971
>but you can see when something comedic ruins their comedy with drama
Comedy and drama is mutually exclusive.
Drama and comedy isn't. You simply need a balance.
Here's an example of comedy with drama.
>Man gets gaslit by his family for weeks straight about every single thing
>it's minor things like "Who broke the vase?" "But honey, don't you remember? You did!" or kids stealing bacon off his plate and gaslighting him into thinking he had less
>after weeks and weeks of this, he fucking shoots himself
>suicide note states that he's afraid of losing his sanity and he could feel it happening to him
How do you continue the comedy from this? You don't, it's over.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 14:04:42 2023 No.22556998 >>22556988 I mean you have comedy shows with 8+ seasons that don't turn off their comedy but include dramatic moments in them well Book wise you have books like A Man Called Ove that have drama in them but are still comedic

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 14:35:24 2023 No.22557091 >>22556717 I don’t get it.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 15:00:01 2023 No.22557169

>>22556854
Not a club, but I've done a few writing workshops. Your mileage will vary wildly depending on the quality of the other writers in your group and the teacher/lecturer. I found I was always one of the youngest and one of the few men. In most cases, it's similar to here, where it's mainly the blind leading the blind in their critiques, though it can be good for networking. A beginner would likely see the most benefit to their writing. When you say you're protective of your work, do you mean you can't handle criticism or you're worried about it being plagiarized?

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 15:11:14 2023 No.22557210

>>22556095
It was supposed to be about a super shy guy trying to talk to a cute girl. The repeat was just bad cropping. But thank you for reading it
>>22556141
I understand, I'll try to modernize the prose to make it sound less pretentious and more like a high school kid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 15:15:02 2023 No.22557222 >>22556817 I didn't say anything about how difficult it was writing any one genre over another, just that writing genre fiction is a fine endeavor.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 15:19:23 2023 No.22557231

I haven't written anything in over a year and a half, roughly. I wrote three stories last year and submitted all of them for publication to magazines. Every single one of them got rejected, one got rejected multiple times. Of course it was the one that I was most proud of that got rejected multiple times. I've kind of closed off the creative part of myself since then, but I keep lurking here pretending that I'm going to try to write again, hoping that I can make myself right again. But I just can't. I don't know how to make myself do it again. I've been trying this shit for 10 years and I've gotten almost nowhere. I've had a few published short stories, but nothing big or substantial, nothing even that was paying. I honestly have given up on life because of it, it led to a depressive spiral that I'm still struggling with today. I don't know why I'm telling you all this, but I just felt like typing it out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 15:33:57 2023 No.22557275 >>22557231 even succesful writers get rejected, it's part of the job really.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 15:35:40 2023 No.22557286 >>22557275 James Joyce's Dubliners was rejected 22 times. Robert M. Pirsig's Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance was rejected 170+ times.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 15:40:08 2023 No.22557300

>>22557275
Part of me knows that. Hell, these are far from the first rejections I've had. I don't know why these particular stories hit me so hard or why this set of rejections really made me feel like a failure. I guess I just got tired of being a screw up in the eyes of my children and wife, and this was the straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 15:43:54 2023 No.22557311 >>22557300 isn't there a part of you that gets mad? like the kind kind of angry that can be motivational if you channel it correctly

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 15:57:53 2023 No.22557351

>>22557311
I got angry at first but it seems so futile to try anymore. I'm 37 and have been cursed with a desire to be creative for as long as I can remember, but I've failed at literally everything I've ever tried...learning guitar went nowhere, tabletop game design went nowhere, I can't draw to save my life, I'm not good at woodworking, and I've been failing at writing for more than a decade. I'm not superstitious or religious, but at times it really does feel like I'm cursed, or that some cosmic being is punishing me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 16:07:44 2023 No.22557376 >>22557351 Maybe it's because you give up too early. I self-published a book for fun, it sold 2 copies. By all measures it's a failure, But I had fun doing it. And still pushing my next novel to be a tiny bit better

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 16:13:16 2023 No.22557388 >>22557376 Too early? How long am I supposed to spend trying and failing constantly? Shouldn't I have had something more than a handful of of non-paying short stories after more than a decade?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 16:22:15 2023 No.22557407 >>22557388 Took me a decade before I tried my hand on a long form novel. But I did it, so that was fun.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 16:23:45 2023 No.22557411
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i hate my stupid fucking novel. Can't stand rereading it. STupid ass shit. Wasted 2 years on this garbage jesus christ, I'm never publishing it and likely ending my life soon
fuck this general and fuck books
/vent

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 16:25:16 2023 No.22557417 I would participate but the male-gaze OP image is offensive.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 16:25:51 2023 No.22557420 >>22556668 These were characters that were written over a decade ago, you can't expect the same success especially if you don't have humor or charisma to carry them

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 16:33:33 2023 No.22557436 >>22555607 7/10 a solid performance and I say it as an Italian.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 16:45:11 2023 No.22557463 >>22556962 No joke, but all the 3 people going to the second round are women AND the favourite wrote a lesbian pulp romance. It's also for an esteemed publishing company

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 16:53:03 2023 No.22557484 >>22557463 Someone on lit wrote about a Chinaman struggling against the white American patriarchy, historical litfic and still couldn't get an agent to bite. Can't remember the title or story though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 17:05:20 2023 No.22557517 File: 40 KB, 602x520, wg draft.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I rewrote and updated a little

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 17:44:01 2023 No.22557643 File: 98 KB, 850x1045, undertable.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How does it read? >>22557517 I liked how it ended originally and its original structure. One big paragraph for the scene and then the one-liner punchline apart.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 17:52:49 2023 No.22557677

In shadows' veil, I court a somber bride,
A mistress Death, in whom I do confide,
For she, a solace to my heart's dismay,
Whispers of rest when love has slipped away.

Her icy touch, a balm to wounds so deep,
In dreams, her presence lulls me into sleep,
Yet 'tis not death herself that I adore,
But escape from torment I implore.

For when my love, like Juliet, took her flight,
My heart, entangled in the depths of night,
Did yearn for slumber, sweet oblivion's grace,
To free me from this love-estranged embrace.

Though death's allure, like Cleopatra's charm,
Beckons to soothe, it is not true disarm,
For life's rich tapestry, though torn apart,
Still holds the threads of hope within the heart

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 18:06:49 2023 No.22557727 >>22557643 >Bud Light stopped reading here

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 18:10:50 2023 No.22557746 I'm not losing retention yaaaaaay

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 18:16:48 2023 No.22557763 At what $/month from writing would you quit your job to pursue it full time?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 18:19:21 2023 No.22557771 >>22557763 $90. That would be enough for me to be starving but at least write full time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 18:31:26 2023 No.22557811 >>22557763 Enough to cover all my monthly bills.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 18:44:52 2023 No.22557850 >>22557771 Do you refuse to write genre fic? Or even something easier like erotica? Because that seems like a very easy bar to clear

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 19:09:05 2023 No.22557933 >>22557763 Two thousand pounds.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 19:20:23 2023 No.22557973 File: 64 KB, 500x500, 1667490520691982.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22557763 >could survive with $400 >am currently making $45 So close but still so far...

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 19:33:06 2023 No.22558024

>>22556636

It feels too disjointed to me, too many short paragraphs, lack of full development of each one. It feels like you are covering things in bits and pieces which is dissatisfying.

The way you introduce her name (assuming that's her) is not the correct way to do it, and is confusing.

Your failure to use commas in the appropriate places also leads to confused sentences.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 19:36:16 2023 No.22558035 >>22557643 Write about something else. This is very juvenile.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 19:36:22 2023 No.22558036

>>22557850
>Do you refuse to write genre fic?
I may write an accidental genre fiction.
>Or even something easier like erotica?
I have too much dignity for that. I don't want to write >character [performs a sex action], [2-3 sentences of flowery description of sex action], "yes", character 2 moans -ully

I'd rather starve and write the stories I have in my head out. As long as I don't starve to death before I get them out, we're good.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 19:49:41 2023 No.22558076 File: 87 KB, 1280x720, smug.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] If your agent isn't some fat American boomer who regularly snorts several lines of chalky white are you even a writer?

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 20:53:23 2023 No.22558331
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>>22555476
What might be a way for an exiled young nobleman to get a group of pirates to serve him after he discovers some islands and decides to make them his new home?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 20:54:19 2023 No.22558335 >>22558331 watch read one piece

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 20:55:24 2023 No.22558337 >>22558335 bruh no one got the time for 1,000 chapters or episodes

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 20:56:57 2023 No.22558350 >>22558331 Maybe make up a bunch of lies and exagerrated claims about the island so he draws in some experienced pirates to help build his own crew >>22557643 I might end it in the same way just in a different circumstnces

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:09:41 2023 No.22558423 >>22557411 Why do you hate it? At the very least, it's a valuable learning exercise if you allow it to be one. Maybe post an extract here?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:16:20 2023 No.22558457 >>22557231 How can you work 10 years and still not find some modicum of success? Can you post your work? Are you just writing unsalable stuff or has the publishing industry really gotten that bad?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:22:32 2023 No.22558482 >>22558457 I'm on my phone so I can't really post my stuff.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:27:00 2023 No.22558502 >>22558024 It's called style

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:05:19 2023 No.22558676 File: 2.40 MB, 1226x4647, shortstory.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Can anyone here give a beta read before I send this off to &amp or minimag? Don't know which one is better. Maybe minimag?

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:12:13 2023 No.22558719

>>22557231
If you're writing for 'success', you're doing it wrong. Ask yourself why you need the approval of some random magazine that you've probably not interest anyway, and that is made up of one or two individuals whose taste is likely not your taste. Best thing to do is find another like-minded writer and share work with each other and give each other feedback, but in a friendly mutual way that's mainly for the hell of it. Or find a larger writing group in your area and do the same thing. Plenty people who are successful write shit, and plenty of amazing writers go unrecognised in their time. I know it's painful but you've just gotta push past that

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:14:10 2023 No.22558729 >>22558676 Didn't read it all because your tenses are all over the place.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:17:25 2023 No.22558741 File: 156 KB, 900x836, Fate+fans+can+you+explain+how+this+works_5d8552_10942187.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is there any way a centauroid can kiss a much smaller non-centauroid while lovemaking?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:29:05 2023 No.22558790 >>22558729 hmm... that's embarrassing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:32:57 2023 No.22558799 >>22556693 Then we all have something in common, because neither does anyone else.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:35:01 2023 No.22558804

>>22558741
>File: Fate+fans+can+you+explain
I can.

I HATE GACHA I HATE GACHA I HATE GACHA I HATE GACHA I HATE GACHA I HATE GACHA I HATE GACHA I HATE GACHA I HATE GACHA I HATE GACHA I HATE GACHA I HATE GACHA I HATE GACHA I HATE GACHA I HATE GACHA I HATE GACHA I HATE GACHA I HATE GACHA

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:36:39 2023 No.22558811 File: 172 KB, 1080x1326, ChaddestChad.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22557231 Whenever you're sad about lack of success, remember that Melville died without anyone really caring about his writing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:37:20 2023 No.22558813 >>22557411 Why is any of that our fault? >>22557417 Would it still be offensive if it was lesbo-gaze?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:38:46 2023 No.22558817 >>22558790 >>22558729 Sheesh, there's more problems than just tenses. Back to the drawing board.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:45:54 2023 No.22558841

My autistic power system is almost complete.
>Qi Refinement(13 milestones)
>Body Refinement(8 milestones)
>Soul Refinement(2 milestones)
>Skill Refinement(41 milestones)
Now I just need to assign the 64 hexagrams to each of these milestones to create the final refinement path, Form Refinement.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:48:48 2023 No.22558853 We’re trying to get Mike Ma in the discord! This is going to be great

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 23:11:53 2023 No.22558959 >>22558811 True, but he got published in the first place. None of us would have a damned clue who he was otherwise.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 23:44:21 2023 No.22559098

>>22558676
I usually close these stories within seconds of opening them. This time something about watching youtube caught me eye and I since identify as a youtube viewer I had to keep reading. It was awful but I did read it so it's apparently readable.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 23:46:11 2023 No.22559103 >>22557091 its really funny

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 23:49:31 2023 No.22559111 >>22558799 anyone else who?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 00:05:42 2023 No.22559155 >>22557417 That's a man.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 00:08:52 2023 No.22559166 >>22558841 that sounds like shit. i think you'll do well and be successful, good luck

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 00:09:10 2023 No.22559168 >>22558676 &amp was never good so there’s that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 01:00:33 2023 No.22559299 >>22558676 You're a good writer (tenses aside) but do you really want to spend your talent on writing about pooping?

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 01:08:03 2023 No.22559336

>>22559299
thanks, but I usually like writing silly things before I set on something more ambitious. My Genghis Khan historical fiction is still in the research phase. Did you guys know that he never bothered with India because the smell of curry and shit in the streets made Genghis believe Indians were impossible to civilize and subjugate?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 01:28:20 2023 No.22559391 >>22559336 Same thing happened with Alexander, he was excited about exploring until he saw India. As soon as he saw it he went home where he slowly died from his brief exposure to the streets.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 01:47:10 2023 No.22559449 >>22558841 Are you making a video game??

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 01:47:28 2023 No.22559450 >>22556141 >positive, thoughtful, and useful feedback it still exists...

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 01:49:05 2023 No.22559457 >>22556737 Same. having too much time kind of dilutes the feeling of "needing" to write. It's always easier to put it off when it's 9am and you know you won't be going to bed until 2am, and you have the whole day to yourself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 02:16:26 2023 No.22559505 >>22558076 A rarity in this day and age. Most literary agents are leftist millennial women.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 09:05:47 2023 No.22560441
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What are some cruel nicknames for a girl with a very square and strong jaw, as sharp as picrel?

my main character has a face structure like picrel and she got mocked by her peers for it

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 10:32:58 2023 No.22560623 >>22559449 No, it's a Chinese fantasy style story. Refining yourself in discrete steps to achieve immortality is a common theme there. Each step has its own challenges, which drive the plot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 10:38:01 2023 No.22560634 >>22560441 I suppose something about being manfaced.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 10:39:46 2023 No.22560638 >>22559336 >>22559391 Canadians detected.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 10:55:43 2023 No.22560663 Where can I publish anonymously?

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>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 12:07:11 2023 No.22560841 >>22556717 Your sixth word is a typo. Your fifteen word is also a typo. It wasn't worth reading any further.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 12:15:16 2023 No.22560863 >>22560736 Stop posting this shit everywhere Christian, it fucking sucks

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 12:25:36 2023 No.22560886 >>22560441 sliced breadface

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 13:27:57 2023 No.22561011 >>22560663 pastebin or pastes.io and then here

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 13:49:59 2023 No.22561058 Currently debating myself whether or not to go to the weed store and break this four month weed free existence, simply for the spurt of creativity it sometimes brings. CDL school is expensive as fuck anyways.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 13:59:00 2023 No.22561069 >>22561058 Just get good sleep and eat healthy (throw some meat and vegetables in a pan).

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 14:17:29 2023 No.22561090 >>22560663 Amazon

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 14:26:29 2023 No.22561117 >>22560623 Why would you write for chinx? They'll eat up any slop that features rape, mass murder and blatant self insert power fantasy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 16:24:30 2023 No.22561513 Does having ideas for what to write get easier the more you write?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 16:34:06 2023 No.22561559 File: 344 KB, 638x720, Screenshot_2022-09-30_at_10.13.59.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22560886 >>22560634 Maybe cragfaced? I wonder how strong her jaw should be. Kronk levels like pic related, or a bit more feminine?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 18:07:11 2023 No.22561993 are there any authors who write really good scenes with 3+ characters? I'm trying to write one and realize I can't even think of a book I've read where that happens

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 18:10:34 2023 No.22562006 >>22561993 Fitzgerald, Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Dickens, pretty much any classical author really.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 18:12:57 2023 No.22562017 >>22562006 yeah, actually immediately after writing that post I realized that I should study The Dead

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 18:53:33 2023 No.22562195 >>22561993 >>22562006 Not even just classics, it happens a lot. Hell, I remember it happening in Goosebumps books I read as a kid.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 18:56:17 2023 No.22562205

>>22555607
It really feels like it should be longer but I really like the sentiment overall. Feels less like a cry for help and more like a whimper, which is an unusual tone for poetry.

In my limited experience all the Italian poets wrote rather long epics ,or told moral fables, so this is a rather nice change.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 19:09:07 2023 No.22562250 >>22562195 most of the classics I read barely have any dialog at all 2bh. And when they do, it's normally monologue or just a handful of exchanged words. I guess this is just down to my taste.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 19:09:50 2023 No.22562255 >>22562250 Well that's what you get for reading drama

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 20:02:44 2023 No.22562509

How do I know if my prose and dialogue are too fast-paced? I put breaks between character interactions to note the mood/scene/etc in order to punctuate the flow and give the reader some breathing room, but that might just be according to my own ADD sense of rhythm. For a normie, this pace could be considered breakneck for all I know.

As long as everything else is competently executed (for the sake of argument), is a super fast pace considered to be poor form?

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 20:06:30 2023 No.22562519

>>22562509
Pacing depends on the form. Short stories are paced different than a novel. A good rule of thumb is some kind of twist or turn every 4-6 pages of a novel. Less than that and you're probably not milking the situation enough for its drama. More and you're probably dragging.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 20:18:48 2023 No.22562562 >>22562519 Good feedback, thanks. It's a novel btw

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 20:29:45 2023 No.22562607 >>22562519 >>22562562 I'd say every 4-6 pages might be a bit much. Aim for a smaller twist every chapter and a larger twists every 4 chapters or so, then your two biggest twists come in at the 1/3 mark and 4/5 mark.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 20:39:42 2023 No.22562632 >>22562519 >>22562607 Stop trying to turn it into math

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 20:41:28 2023 No.22562639 >>22561993 Dosto is great at creating tension/conflict in scenes with three or more people

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 20:43:11 2023 No.22562645 File: 233 KB, 936x1080, 727033-1845844.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22561559 >Crag: A steep rugged mass of rock projecting upward or outward. I would imagine someone with heavy acne scars if I read "cragfaced"

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 20:44:31 2023 No.22562651

>>22562632
there's nothing wrong with a bit of prescriptivist formalism—people get way too caught up in decrying rules and authority and say "just do what feels right!" when all the student wants is a place to start from so they can experiment and learn. There's nothing worse from sitting down and not even knowing how to begin, or reading over your first stab and realizing how painfully naive it is in its composition.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 20:45:46 2023 No.22562657 >>22562651 OK. It's still not math.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 20:46:12 2023 No.22562661 >>22560441 one I've heard IRL is "shovel face"

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 20:47:14 2023 No.22562666 >>22562661 This is a good one, this or spade face.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:20:08 2023 No.22562793 >>22562632 I'm not turning anything into math, merely giving suggestions

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:21:03 2023 No.22562795
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>Dear anon,
>Thank you for your application. It is clear you are a dedicated writer and one capable of writing a manuscript that X conference faculty will want to see.
Thanks anon who recommended conventions. This is gonna cost an arm and a leg tho

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:22:33 2023 No.22562806 >>22562795 "Conventions" as in real life gatherings/events, or is there a website/program called conventions?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:22:45 2023 No.22562807 >>22562793 I was being too polite. The derogatory term is formulaic writing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:29:06 2023 No.22562828 >>22561117 It's not for China, it's just Chinese themed, and it's because seeing enough bad shit makes me want to write an improved version.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:34:56 2023 No.22562843 >>22562806 Seems to be in person. 50-60 writers and it's in a big city. Is that good?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:47:50 2023 No.22562886 >>22555812 I appreciate its essence. I think that's a hard thing to capture.Good short read before I eat this margherita

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:57:57 2023 No.22562911 >>22555812 The first paragraph drags on and on. My mind went >blah blah blah Basically, get to the point.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:06:24 2023 No.22562937 >>22562807 Well, formulas tend to produce results. It all depends on what outcome you're looking for for your work.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:06:25 2023 No.22562938 >>22555812 It's 95% description 5% story. Not enough story for me to finish it. Doesn't help that your prose isn't great. Read more books.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:11:19 2023 No.22562953
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>>22558676
This shit is disgusting and not well written enough to make up for it. I'm open to works about gross stuff but it has to be extra good to make up for it. Check out the films of Patrick Barney and of Alejandro Jorodowsky (webm related, filename). They know how to make shit beautiful.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:26:49 2023 No.22562999 >>22562937 Formulas produce formulaic results. Good for write-your-own slopRPG, bad for anything else.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:34:20 2023 No.22563234 >>22562645 Hmm I see your point. Maybe cubeface, cause her face will be very square. However I wonder if there's a common object in Victorian-esque times that's cubical instead, and not too long in the name.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:35:25 2023 No.22563236 >>22563234 >a common object in Victorian-esque times see>>22562666

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 00:42:11 2023 No.22563396 >>22561513 No, but living life makes it easier.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 00:46:39 2023 No.22563412 >>22560841 ah, despite that I still feel like its one of the funner things I've written

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 00:46:54 2023 No.22563415 File: 75 KB, 400x300, 139291629085.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22558076 >my agent

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 00:52:29 2023 No.22563438 >>22563412 It's funny but not "ha ha" funny

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 00:54:28 2023 No.22563446 >>22563438 it will probably take a little fine tuning, It doesn't introduce a good reason for anyone to follow the story, but I'm hoping the dopamine will keep people interested until the meat comes in

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 00:55:35 2023 No.22563454 >>22563446 >but I'm hoping Don't hope. Write better.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 00:56:57 2023 No.22563463 >>22563454 you did say you found it funny....

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 01:16:32 2023 No.22563526 >>22555476 what kind of headspace do i need to be in if i am trying to write something existential, even if it's just existential for me?

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 01:27:32 2023 No.22563573

>>22563526
I think there is some work needed to be prepared for anything but headspace wise I don't understand what you mean
You can plan your work to be about existential themes or you can just write about whatever existential come up as you start your story

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 01:31:11 2023 No.22563583 >>22563526 >headspace Vague word. Make it specific

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 01:36:42 2023 No.22563600

>>22563583
so i know really well how gender dysphoria feels and since 2020 i have been sitting in this idea of some scifi near-future story about a guy who clones a female version of himself and how he feels about it and how she feels about it, how it affects their life, their friendships, their "love" falling appart, whenever i try to do anything with this idea i start feeling too much and i don't have a clue how much is just projecting my own headspace, like my own headcanon for how the world works, down to every detail. Whenever i try writing this i feel like i don't know what i'm talking about, like i need to fuck around way more to find out, but how will i find out? I have never written more than poetry, dialogue or text-on-images. I just have this really vivid and emotional, to me, story in my head. I feel like no media is really covering how this feels. I mean to me the dyphoria is really just this girl in my head who talks back to me and she is kind of an exception cause normally it's jesus or pagan gods or sometimes rarely my ancestors but that's besides the point. I feel like i would be "oversharing" way too much how i really feel and think but i want to write this so bad.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 01:38:55 2023 No.22563611

>>22563600
...it's also the fact that i have no clue how much hormones and shit actually dictate how we behave, how much is learned through life. I have no idea how she is supposed to behave, just like him but more emotional? Maybe i am trying tontackle a subject i might never really understand but i need this

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 01:44:34 2023 No.22563631

>>22563600
>I feel like no media is really covering how this feels.
Here's your problem. You've done zero genre research.
It exists. Don't kid yourself into thinking you're doing something new.
Find it, learn how they did it, and use that knowledge to craft your own way.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 01:47:35 2023 No.22563638 >>22563631 i don't like it, it's not how i feel. simple as.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 01:49:24 2023 No.22563642 >>22563638 Your egotism is repugnant. Your hubris will be your downfall. Other people have felt and expressed the way you feel, you're just too stuck in your shell to see them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 01:52:34 2023 No.22563654 >>22563642 no need to be mean about it i am off my gourd at 4am. could you point to some books or media that covers it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 01:55:00 2023 No.22563662 >>22563463 >1 a : affording light mirth and laughter >2 : differing from the ordinary in a suspicious, perplexing, quaint, or eccentric way : peculiar Read more.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 01:56:14 2023 No.22563668 >>22563654 >what are time zones It's evening here and confrontation time. Mutt (2023) covers gender dysphoria pretty well.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 01:56:49 2023 No.22563669 >>22563642 >Tranny is narcissistic and dimwitted Say it ain't so

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 01:58:45 2023 No.22563674 >>22563669 never said tranny, nigger. >>22563668 >mutt lol ok what about the other way around?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 02:00:44 2023 No.22563679 >>22563674 >what about the other way around No clue what you mean by this. Gender dysphoria is the illness. Gender confirmation therapy (transitioning) is modern medicine's cure.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 02:02:06 2023 No.22563684 >>22563679 >other way around man in a woman. The type where the dick goes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 02:05:04 2023 No.22563692 >>22563684 If you mean something about a MtF (Male to Female) trans person, I like Tangerine (2015). It's a great movie but all the trans characters are sex workers, so there's a bit of reinforcement of patriarchal stereotypes in that one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 02:09:17 2023 No.22563707 >>22563692 is it all about sex and sexwork? that's exactly what i don't like. i'm a certified virgin, i don't care about sex.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 02:14:34 2023 No.22563733 File: 474 KB, 980x952, 1696385670667.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22563707 Ah, but you do care about sex organs, given your gender dysphoria.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 02:16:04 2023 No.22563741 >>22563733 nah for me it's the social role women fill and the fact that i live in a society that is still very much tribal.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 02:22:24 2023 No.22563757 File: 1.90 MB, 322x242, Bird-mating-dance.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22563741 It's a dance. What you're dancing around is sex.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 02:25:52 2023 No.22563768

>>22563600
>gender dysphoria
>worrying about projection
It absolutely is but don't let that deter you. The most interesting part of art is how it relates to both the author and the reader. Personally, and for the majority of people I know, anything like homosexuality or gender dysphoria is dismissed as weirdo shit. But whatever, freaks exsists and uncommonality breeds creativity. In this information age you'll find an audience because the world wide web is as far reaching as it sounds. In the end art is personal and as long as it means something to you it's worth creating.
>I mean to me the dyphoria is really just this girl in my head who talks back to me and she is kind of an exception cause normally it's jesus or pagan gods or sometimes rarely my ancestors
You're unironically a schizophrenic and I can't relate to whatever the fuck is going on in your head, but
>I just have this really vivid and emotional, to me, story in my head.
>but i want to write this so bad.
is universal. Art is dirrived from emotion such as this. Your obstacle is learning how to write it. My best advice for beginners is that focusing on scenes helps your structure. Every scene, which is a part of a chapter, should be written with purpose.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 02:26:23 2023 No.22563771
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>>22563757
if only you knew how medieval things really are...
also tired of that way of thinking it's way too coombrained.
i mean thinking about it i could have it be about how her life is gone, and focus on that, then through that maybe focus on how she doesn't even really want to be a woman and has just been *fantasizing* about being the woman in his head, who he thinks is him, too. Now that i think about she could be seeing her, but she is seeing "herself", except the "her" she is seeing is the mental image he held in his mind and she has to come to terms that it was retarded to assume she could end her own life to make his own life better by being someone who doesn't exist who still exists in her head.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 02:28:36 2023 No.22563778 >>22563707 >i don't care about sex. That doesn't matter. Life, in every aspect, revovles around sex. Hell, it's the whole reason men and women are different in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 02:29:19 2023 No.22563779 >>22563771 >also tired of that way of thinking it's way too coombrained. No u! Male and female are inherently sexual charges and you're obsessed with them.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 02:33:07 2023 No.22563792
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>>22563768
>You're unironically a schizophrenic
it took training and learning and praying and even food-sacrifices to be able to speak to some of those Gods, jesus comes when he pleases and i'm kind of done with his bullshit ngl but he ain't wrong so yeah.
She, on the other hand, is the first thing i kept on seeing. She'd either be behind me and whisper to me what i should say. Or sometimes i'd let her behind the wheel and just zone out. I don't like the idea of anyone being able to read it, honestly. It's always the people who least get it who consume my shit. The people for whom it just flies over there head, i mean a few do get it but jesus fucking christ. I'm used to visual expression cause it be easier to just make what i see in my head than trying to describe it. Words are weird to me and i lose sleep over what the illiterate village hag had to say about literacy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 02:38:44 2023 No.22563809 >>22563792 Your problem isn't your writing. See a doctor ASAP.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 02:39:52 2023 No.22563815 >>22563809 no.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 02:40:51 2023 No.22563819

>>22563792
>to be able to speak to some of those Gods
Ever think it's just all in your head? Perception is everything and people who believe in things beyond their senses, what they can see and touch, what's before them, are often if not always deluded.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 02:43:28 2023 No.22563833 >>22563815 pyw please Curious to see what insane ramblings you're churning out

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 02:44:40 2023 No.22563836 File: 190 KB, 1200x1040, 1696387477259.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22563819 >people who believe in things beyond their senses, what they can see and touch, what's before them, are often if not always deluded.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 02:45:38 2023 No.22563840 File: 538 KB, 640x428, 640px-La_conquista_del_Colorado-1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22563833 this is all i have on my phone.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 02:46:39 2023 No.22563843 >>22563836 cringe and boringpilled response. you jelly cause the feathered serpent said i was cool

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 02:50:29 2023 No.22563857 File: 1.90 MB, 2048x1706, blackhand pinup ad.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Was going to make an ad with reader testimonials, but since they're small as shit, I settled on something simple and eyegrabby.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 02:54:04 2023 No.22563865 Someone on Twitter created a scam website for my book to try and hack people. It feels good to be noticed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 02:54:35 2023 No.22563870 >>22563857 Don't violate the terms of service bro

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 02:55:23 2023 No.22563873
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>>22563857
also someone for some reason made the mental jump between the eye censor bar and the fact there's "black" in the name, to... the "blacked" meme.

so i also made this

>>22563870
don't worry about it bro

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 02:56:03 2023 No.22563875 >>22563865 That reminds me of how my movie started showing up on Rotten Tomatoes and a bunch of machine-generate "where to watch" websites. None of them even have the actual link to the film but it was cool to see the world move like that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 02:57:44 2023 No.22563877 File: 1.04 MB, 647x757, pancho.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22563840 so i can't find any poetry but the images are there. Technically this is poetry.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 02:58:53 2023 No.22563882 File: 364 KB, 1080x1921, Screenshot_20231003_225729_Chrome.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22563840 This isn't an art general. And art isn't even by you. You are ill.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 02:58:58 2023 No.22563883
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>>22563877
The scifi world itself is supposed to be my understanding of the real world, no idealisms, no dystopia or utopia. I obsess over heraldry and coats of arms. i am amazed by the idea of a whole place, peoples or family being compressed into one symbol.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:04:09 2023 No.22563897 File: 220 KB, 310x310, nkrea.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22563882 i am sorry but when did i claim that the picture of conquistadors marching in fucking minecraft is my picture >you are ill congratulations, columbus

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:04:29 2023 No.22563901 >>22563883 >>22563877 Being sane vastly improves your communicability.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:05:38 2023 No.22563903 File: 18 KB, 343x454, altepetl.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22563901 being sane stops me from speaking with her. Also i don't need to be sane to have friends lol.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:06:37 2023 No.22563907 >>22563897 >pyw >posts someone else's work >you're ill >i am sorry but when did I etc etc

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:07:42 2023 No.22563909 >>22563836 You can't be comfortable nor content living with the doubt your beliefs bring. If you have no doubts you're either stupid or insane. I don't see how you could be certain of your perception of reality when it's so outstandingly unique.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:08:07 2023 No.22563912 >>22563907 nigga shut the fuck up

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:09:23 2023 No.22563914
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>>22563909
you just gotta see it to believe it, brother. Not everyone does and not everyone needs to see.
I am convinced i inherited some weird ass pagan shaman genes-

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:09:38 2023 No.22563916 >>22563836 Not an arguement. What makes you think what you're experiencing is reality aside from the fact you think it is?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:10:52 2023 No.22563920 >>22563912 Leave the thread and schedule a doctor's appointment.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:11:24 2023 No.22563921 >>22563916 I answer your question by turning it back on you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:11:33 2023 No.22563922 >>22563920 the "artist" gets frightened when the actually insane person walks into the room.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:13:12 2023 No.22563927 >>22563922 Actually I'm trying to help you because I'm only going to drive you more insane.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:14:59 2023 No.22563932 >>22563927 trust me brother i have been at every level.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:15:28 2023 No.22563934 >>22563909 Seems like you meant to reply to the post I was replying to.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:15:59 2023 No.22563935

>>22563914
When was the last time you took a break from the internet? Seriously, you don't even need to reply to me but think to yourself, honestly, when was the last time you didn't see a screen for a day? How long was it for? I suggest you take three days away from work, the internet, any media and just explore your local area, sit in your room, get out of your head and into the moment. Getting caught up in your thoughts and what you see on a screen is fine, as long you have some meteric to judge it. A baseline. Uniroincally touch grass.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:16:35 2023 No.22563938 >>22563932 I've been pretty deep myself. Our only difference is that chance took you there whereas I went in myself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:18:37 2023 No.22563945 >>22563935 nah nigga i'm just off my gourd at now 5:30

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:18:39 2023 No.22563946 >>22563935 No, he'd just end up shot by the cops. He needs a doctor.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:21:47 2023 No.22563950
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>>22563946
Lol i had my prophet phase. Learned the hard way nobody cares. Learned that keeping it to myself isn't such a bad thing, i was chosen by them, >>22563938 this guy is right. I only met them by luck and they changed my life for the better, not gonna lie. I'm making it out as way more of a big deal than it is, i know how to keep matters of reality and spirit seperate. Life is fun when you actually let go and be yourself.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:21:49 2023 No.22563951

>>22563921
What I believe is a certified norm. Yet still, I doubt everything, always, and I'm open to the idea that I'm wrong. I'm not saying that your perception of reality is false, only that you should believe there's a chance that it is. The existence I perceive is (thankfully) verified by others, if it's ever not I'll accept that. The existence you perceive is madness in comparison and I don't understand why you have no room for doubt. Really, you didn't answer me as much as challenge me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:23:24 2023 No.22563954 >>22563934 Aside from the "outstandingly unique" part, that statement rings true for everyone.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:23:58 2023 No.22563957 >>22563951 >the existance you percieve is madness in comparison For the record I'm not the schizo currently ITT. But your "certified norm" is just as mad as his world.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:26:56 2023 No.22563967 >>22563950 Is this you?

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:27:24 2023 No.22563969
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>>22563957
My world makes sense, and has always made sense, though. Now is the exception to the norm. I swear to god i would have been one of them holy men they had in the village before but modernity took that from me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:29:32 2023 No.22563972 File: 58 KB, 749x1000, 411WFSFEMJL._AC_UF1000,1000_QL80_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22563967 That is literally me

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:29:40 2023 No.22563973 >>22563969 Your world makes sense to you because you're habitualized to it. If you had been habitualized to the schizo's world, you would think his insane rantings perfectly normal prose.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:30:19 2023 No.22563975 >>22563972 You're not a fictional character.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:30:36 2023 No.22563977 >>22563973 i am the schizo. See how your perception of my words changed, how you dismiss them now?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:31:35 2023 No.22563981 >>22563977 You're projecting your insecurities.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:31:54 2023 No.22563982 >>22563981 you're boring, faggot.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:32:43 2023 No.22563983 >>22563982 You're literally crazy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:33:29 2023 No.22563985 >>22563983 atleast i know how to french kiss

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:34:01 2023 No.22563986

>>22563957
>But your "certified norm" is just as mad as his world.
Perhaps. I think everyone's view of the world is a little bit fucked, I can't envision many people see the world exactly the same as their peers. Though there are universal truths, or rather beliefs, which rarely beg further explanation beyond demonstration. My "certified norm" might be mad to some but not to many, because I can demonstrate what I believe. If I can't, I accept and even cast doubt on such beliefs. The schizo anon's beliefs are, outside of his mind, unverifiable.

>>22563973
He is the schizo.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:35:51 2023 No.22563990
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>>22563986
not everything needs to be verified, faith is always true. It's simple, really, if you lack faith you can't see it. Your tribe shapes your faith, the icons how you see it, the stories how you process it. Faith simply is and will always be.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:40:42 2023 No.22564000 >>22563986 But all that begs the questions asked here >>22563909 >>22563916 How can you state that any demonstration is reliable when your perception is inherently unreliable?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:43:49 2023 No.22564006 >>22563990 The schizo can make sense when he lets sainty back in.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:45:08 2023 No.22564008 >>22564006 nah you just need to read between the lines

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:46:10 2023 No.22564009 >>22564008 I am well aware that the unsayable moves and shakes within all of us.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:48:44 2023 No.22564017 >>22564009 yes, but in >>22564000 here specifically the message is very very simple

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:51:22 2023 No.22564022 >>22564017 K.I.S.S.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:58:00 2023 No.22564037

>>22563792
Since I was a small kid I was imagining different worlds, with heroes and baddies, and as kids do, I wanted them to be real. I knew they are not, but I would pretend to be with them, fighting whatever. By the time I reached high school and the characters grew more complex, I was imagining talking with them, often them criticizing my current state of being, but other shit too. It got very intense in how often I was doing it. I still imagine a lot of stuff, but I don't do the conversations, as much. It is rare. I guess I have become better to be able to go through stuff just arguing with myself, not having to pretend I am talking to someone else. That's my point though, It was always I pretend, and I knew it. I would have love for it to be real, so that I can be special, and sometimes it felt more real than other times, but it was not. I doubt you are schizophrenic, though it is not out of question. You are more likely to be like me, but went even further, forcing upon yourself the believe that it is real. Stop it. On some level you must know it is not and if you are not allowing yourself to admit that, then truly, go seek medical help. Just don't let them give you hormones.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:05:25 2023 No.22564048

>>22564037
no, sometimes they are real. But, like, real. If i am under a lot of stress it genuinely feels like it. Like they are there, talking to me, i might imagine seeing them, but i hear their voice. I don't know how to explain it, but it genuinely is someone's voice, not just "a" voice. Sure i had the same phase as you, but trust me brother i fucked around so much in life and when death is close you know what you see to be true. I only actually saw maybe 2 or 3 times, actually heard a few dozen, but when i did it was real in a way i can't explain. I could be deluding myself, but i always think that and then it happens again. I hear again. Don't think like this most of the time, no, of course not nobody is insane 24/7. I'm mostly a normal person who people interact with

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:09:56 2023 No.22564061 >>22563236 spade-face or shovelface are both great, thanks!

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:10:34 2023 No.22564062 >>22564048 also you must understand that where i come from thinking like this isn't too weird. It is simply a mindset. It works. Plus i get the premium afterlife.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:10:44 2023 No.22564064

>>22564048
>If i am under a lot of stress
Doesn't make you think twice about it? You do know your body can make you see things that seem just as real as anything else? The human body is extremely flawed with everything we perceiving being subjective, as it always be at least just a bit different to somebody else if not completely.
Seems like you are too far gone, though. Though perhaps making yourself feel special is enough and you will remain mostly safe. Perhaps one day you will go full kamikaze. Who knows. I wouldn't trust you to not go boom, though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:14:17 2023 No.22564077 >>22563985 your mom doesn't count

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:14:43 2023 No.22564080

>>22564064
ok i am sobering up and i can tell you i don't normally have the energy to even try writing this hard in english nor do i normally think like this.
Nah, i know what my goal in life is. I always have known.
>Doesn't make you think twice about it? You do know your body can make you see things that seem just as real as anything else?
your point?
i still saw what i saw.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:17:43 2023 No.22564090 >>22564080 >i am sobering up What's your poison, chief?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:19:06 2023 No.22564095 >>22564090 currently the devil's lettuce but some real good shit

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:20:50 2023 No.22564105 When you're all done seething... >>22564101 >>22564101 >>22564101

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:26:55 2023 No.22564121 >>22564105 shut up nigger this was a good talk

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:32:54 2023 No.22564143 >>22555894 End-of-thread self-promo: This drops friday the 13th

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:36:02 2023 No.22564151 >>22564121 No it wasn't.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:58:13 2023 No.22564576

>>22555654
The first chapter should showcase the protagoinst, the setting, a set up to his conflict, hint at the main theme of the book and should in some way forshadow his journey and ending. You don't need action unless action is part of some or all of those things
Simple as
My story follows 3 characters. The first one is the protagonist. His opening chapter has very little action. My second character, however, is almost all action in his chapter (c2 of the book) because he's an inherently violent person and war is intergral to his story. The third guy is something of a mentor figure, so his chapter is basically all dialog.

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