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Anonymous Sat Sep 16 21:39:32 2023 No.22498397 [Reply] [Original]

>be racist antisemitic /pol/ chud
>start reading some critical theory and leftist authors/blogs under the assumption ill just find more ammunition to use in my internet arguments
>they constantly point out the many contradictions and biases in my reasoning
>realize i've been a retard and saw everything through a cult filter
>actually agree with a bunch of leftist points about the state of the world
well shit
what the fuck do I do now?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 21:41:43 2023 No.22498404 >>22498397 You realise you being a retard whose first exposure to higher thought is trying to own liberals doesn't make them right.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 21:41:52 2023 No.22498405 Both have sex, and dilate.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 21:44:21 2023 No.22498413 It sounds like you're influenced by whatever you read, so you should probably continue to read benign leftist literature and other socially accepted thought so you don't hurt yourself/make a fool of yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 21:45:43 2023 No.22498415 >>22498397 >chud no human uses that word, go back bunkertranny, this place isn't for you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 21:52:30 2023 No.22498436 >>22498397 >actually agree with a bunch of leftist points about the state of the world You'd be surprised to find out that literal Nazis held a lot of the same socialist/populist points

Anonymous Sat Sep 16 21:55:25 2023 No.22498442

>>22498404
This. Reminds me of those stories about skinheads/KKK members who hadn’t spent a second of their lives analyzing or rationalizing their views and then immediately stopped being racists because a nice black man befriended them and they had no other justification for their position besides ‘idk I just hate people of other colors’.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 21:55:42 2023 No.22498443 >>22498397 You'll be surprised with the fact Mussolini was a commie.

Anonymous Sat Sep 16 21:57:47 2023 No.22498450
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>>22498413
>socially accepted thought
its the opposite
its fashionable to be a /pol/ schizo nowadays so this slow personal revelation is more likely to isolate me from my friends
realizing how many communities im in that universally scapegoat blacks, jews and gays (im guilty of perpetuating this) was once comforting but now its just depressing

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 21:59:07 2023 No.22498455 >be retard >read a book written by a non-retard >get your mind blown

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 21:59:45 2023 No.22498457 >>22498443 socialist

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 22:00:24 2023 No.22498462 >>22498397 Congrats on becoming a Strasserist.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 22:00:53 2023 No.22498464 >>22498397 True, Destiny showed me the way honestly.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 22:04:20 2023 No.22498479 >>22498442 No one thinks this way who has been exposed to niggers why is your stereotype a kkk member?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 22:04:52 2023 No.22498480 keep on reading to cope with the deep grip of capitalism on the world I recommend Günther Anders don't let yourself get demoralized, turning your life in the right direction will help

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 22:07:53 2023 No.22498487 >>22498397 >what the fuck do I do now? Stop being such an impressionable manchild that falls for everything you read, and develop your own opinions

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 22:07:59 2023 No.22498488 >>22498443 Mussolini was no longer socialist during and after World War 1, and Hitler pretended to be a socialist to seize power and make his fascist Kakistocracy. You're so pathetic that you have to make up lies to seem right

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 22:09:16 2023 No.22498492 >>22498488 Proof?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 22:09:58 2023 No.22498497 >>22498488 >Hitler >Fascist Yeah, you definitely need to read more.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 22:10:17 2023 No.22498498 >>22498488 >fascist Kakistocracy. Kakistocracies are left/commie/democracies. Fascist states are the norm throughout history and work great for the citizens

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 22:11:52 2023 No.22498504 >>22498497 fascism is not Fascism retard

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 22:14:44 2023 No.22498511 >>22498450 Are your friends just other online schizos or do you genuinely have normie irls with whom you complain about zog trying to replace you with negros?

Anonymous Sat Sep 16 22:17:11 2023 No.22498517

Don't lose hope for the world. Leftist beliefs are inherent in every decent to good human being, which I would say is the majority of the human race. Just strengthen your own beliefs and form your own opinion, show support whenever you can, and just be decent. I'm also in the minority that things are going to get better politically when the tensions are at the peak or things are going to end up being horrible, but they'll be an inevitable mind shift. Best of luck to you

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 22:19:34 2023 No.22498523 >>22498450 I think your problem is less political in nature, and more you need to go the fuck outside in nature.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 22:21:13 2023 No.22498529 >>22498498 HOLY FUCK HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You can not be fucking serious you dumb ape

Anonymous Sat Sep 16 22:21:36 2023 No.22498530
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>>22498442
I was certainly a dilettante but the few authors I have read some of: Yockey, Ma, Mason, Hamsun, Raspail, Pierce (and a few dissident podcasts) Id often shill on this board, /k/ and /pol/ in related book threads.
Reading pic related might have been the gateway drug because it felt so familiar to much of the right wing literature Ive read up to that point. Fisher just wasn't using Jews as a scapegoat personification of the negative manifestations of late stage capitalism.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 22:25:01 2023 No.22498544 >>22498397 What did you read, anon?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 22:25:52 2023 No.22498549 >>22498492 He founded the first National Fascist Party moron. Read a history book and do your own research, without using biased sources

Anonymous Sat Sep 16 22:26:07 2023 No.22498551

>>22498530
I've seen people use the term "late stage capitalism" a lot recently, what does that mean specifically?
I don't think there's anything particularly unique or evolved about capitalism in the current day when I read about things like company towns, the heyday of the Pinkertons, using actual violence to break strikes, etc.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 22:29:13 2023 No.22498563 >>22498549 >>22498529 4/10 bait

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 22:30:14 2023 No.22498566 >>22498551 Schizobabble meaning "le heckin capitalism has gone too far!" Capitalism is doublespeak for "jews"

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 22:30:56 2023 No.22498568 >>22498551 the bust end of a boom bust cycle

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 22:32:20 2023 No.22498576 >>22498563 >Whoa, this guy knows history, and it disagrees with my delusional view of the world >Has to be bait Fucking moron

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 22:33:05 2023 No.22498580 >>22498544 Dialectical and Historical Materialism.

Anonymous Sat Sep 16 22:40:04 2023 No.22498605

>>22498397
what points exactly made you question your position? To me you sound like someone who doesn't have any reasoning for their beliefs and just copies whatever they read online. I hope you aren't

>>22498442
besides the fact that you're making it up and never happened the way you're imagining it, people hate blacks because they live off whites while murdering them, destroying their cities and treating them like shit, and no amount of cherrypicked 'cool magic negroes' will make me shift my position.

>>22498464
See my 2 comments above

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 22:46:05 2023 No.22498628 >>22498498 He had a feudal europe in mind once the war was over had he managed to seize stalingrad and Moscow.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 22:47:42 2023 No.22498635 I'd be left wing at this point if they dropped the culture war insanity. The authentic part of the rite wing critique is about the elite being abusive and living standards declining because of intentional policy choices.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 22:49:43 2023 No.22498643 >>22498628 why can't bunkertrannies keep themselves from literally making shit up?

Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:01:30 2023 No.22498686

>>22498530
IMO you should just go through some non-pozzed uni political science or political philosophy course. It should feature, among others, Plato, Machiavelli, Hobbes, Rousseau, Kant, Hegel, Debord, Adorno, etc. Leftist authors are fine as long as they don’t make up more than 2/3rds of the course. Preferably read by an old white male professor. I listened to a course like that (not in English) read by a fairly liberal professor and I don’t regret it since it allowed me to navigate the world of philosophy by myself and not stay in a bubble.
>>22498605
>no amount of cherrypicked 'cool magic negroes' will make me shift my position.
Funny how I wrote about other people’s experiences but you started arguing that your experience isn’t like that at all. You sound like someone who would say ‘Why are you saying that I didn’t eat breakfast?’ if asked how they would’ve felt if they hadn’t eaten breakfast.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:01:51 2023 No.22498689 >>22498450 this reads like a leftist faggot pretending to be a born again leftist. try harder you insufferable pussy

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:03:23 2023 No.22498697 >>22498397 I’m a leftist, majored in philosophy, nearly 40, read and wrote papers on critical theory in college. I’ve always hated Jews and still do. What are you conflicted about?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:03:56 2023 No.22498705 >>22498643 are you the shitposter on lit who keeps hallucinating thirdpo powerusers extolling the virtues of the state as leftypol?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:14:01 2023 No.22498740 >THE HORNED SERPENT LIVES

Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:15:35 2023 No.22498752
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>>22498551
Its a meta blanket term that describes the unforeseen consequences of capital run amok. Some examples might include:
The way its adapting humans into economic units minmaxxed for value extraction.
Or how we dig up precious metals only to throw them into a landfill a few months later as the product is obsolesced.
Self-exploitation sold to us as 'freedom'.
The commodification of everything, even old politics and history is repackaged to be consumed or reenacted or as some kind of aesthetic
The way it can morph our desires even when we can clearly see through its deception.
The feedback loop of the commodification of its own critiques, and the primary goal of capital being using capital to make more capital.
Its some kind of hyper-entity at this point. The money isn't even real anymore, its a symbolic offering to our temples.
Not to mention the poverty that it enables and the people it grinds to dust as acceptable sacrifices.

Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:21:24 2023 No.22498785

>>22498635
That's literally what left wing people believe (not liberals). Moderate to traditional Conservatives get this too, but they think these things are just a policy issue while leftist believe its systematic. Plus, if anything, the culture war thing is mostly happening because of certain right wingers being ignorant, spitful, and hateful

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:23:41 2023 No.22498801 >>22498752 This. Very well said

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:24:40 2023 No.22498808 >>22498785 The entire edifice of liberalism is enmeshed with anti-white, anti-male hiring standards and replacement by immigrants. This is not changing until populism comes back

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:27:01 2023 No.22498818 stop challenging your own beliefs!!! said no philosopher ever

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:29:50 2023 No.22498826 >>22498397 And the name of this ex-chud? Albert Einstein.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:31:08 2023 No.22498832 >>22498455 /thread

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:32:44 2023 No.22498842 weak bait/10

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:33:14 2023 No.22498843 >>22498752 Hmm maybe there should be a different term for it, "late-stage" implies that it's near the end when it seems like most of the things you've been happening for centuries, especially the grinding people into dust part.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:35:34 2023 No.22498851 >>22498450 >its fashionable to be a /pol/ schizo nowadays its absolutely not you fucking retard. how old are you? this shit hasn't been "cool" since 2015.

Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:36:35 2023 No.22498854

>>22498397
This is obvious bait. We all know /pol/tards can't read. Like tiktok zombies, their brains are incapable of comprehending anything other memes and soundbites. I find it hard to believe that a /pol/ack would be capable of reading critical theory that is incomprehensible even to academics with certificates jammed up their assholes.

>what the fuck do I do now?
I guess you could become a leftypol chud but I doubt revleft types care much about any theory that isn't the holy trinity of Lenin-Stalin-Mao.

>>22498442
What's funnier are the white supremacists and neo nazis who have black or Latino friends or like some black musician suddenly using loopholes to justify their behavior. e.g. Tom Metzger had Latino immigrant friends and visited Mexico often or that time senior Nazis had Jewish filmmakers or fashion designers they happened to like declared legally aryan. Under the Nuremburg laws, Hitler's own driver would be considered a Jew. Then there's those famous pictures of him with a little girl, who turned out to be Jewish yet despite this he corresponded with her anyway.

>>22498488
Hitler's more complicated. Recently, someone unearthed photos of him at the funeral of Kurt Eisner. There are rumors he was pro-communist, or at least sided with the Bavarian Soviet for opportunistic reasons, before covering it up later. Another thing /pol/ scum don't want you to know about. Their beloved Hitler had Jewish patrons when he was a minor artist in Vienna and reportedly had communist leanings.

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>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:36:58 2023 No.22498856 >>22498450 >weebtroon /pol/chud discoveres books stop posting on this site and keep reading and maybe in a few years youll stop being a faggot

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:38:20 2023 No.22498859 you guys can bitch all you want but pol powers the site at this point. All the other board traffic is merely a peripheral

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:38:44 2023 No.22498861 >>22498854 >DASRITE >HITLER >WAS A JEWISH MAN >"UHUH TELLEM" >AND HIS REAL NAME WAS HITLERSTEINBERG

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:40:39 2023 No.22498873 >>22498855 ah okay so you are indeed young. that explains it all. good luck with your growth into having your own opinions, anon. by the time youre like 21 or 22 you should have grown out of this shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:41:54 2023 No.22498876 >>22498752 >even old politics and history is repackaged to be consumed or reenacted or as some kind of aesthetic Is there any example for this? Sounds interesting.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:42:17 2023 No.22498878 >>22498397 Most leftist philosophy is worded a certain way in order to brainwash the reader into accepting their axioms

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:42:57 2023 No.22498879 What's with all the seething /leftytroon/ threads, is it because they couldn't shut down the Camp of the Saints thread?

Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:43:20 2023 No.22498882

>>22498851
This site was already going downhill well before 2015. The edgy post-2015 new 4chan aesthetic is pretty popular. Frogs and jaks are all over the mainstream internet, everywhere from videos on Iraqi politics to people arguing about tanks. "cope" and "seethe" and other such terminologies are now watercooler talk.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:43:28 2023 No.22498883 File: 45 KB, 632x392, deerhorse.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22498878 aka picrel

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:45:18 2023 No.22498891 >>22498530 I do not take the opinions of someone who takes their own life very seriously. If their theory supposed to work then they wouldn’t have done it in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:45:22 2023 No.22498892 >>22498882 is it, or is it not, fashionable to be racist and intolerant against minorities. Normies use the word sigma in a way that is far removed from its original meaning. Them using chan lingo doesn't mean jackshit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:46:19 2023 No.22498896 >>22498883 Lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:46:32 2023 No.22498898 >>22498892 i was about to say exactly this. it would be like saying just because twitch whores say the word "based" doesn't mean that they are tuned in to chan culture in the slightest. its simply ridiculous to assume this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:46:33 2023 No.22498899 >>22498892 Redpilled is basically the implicit culture of 4chan at this point. I can go to his, sci, lit, r9k, pol and they all are like this

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:47:17 2023 No.22498901 >>22498878 >nonfiction is written to convince people of their views that's called an argument.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:47:56 2023 No.22498904 >>22498899 Can you go to facebook for that? Or instagram? Or youtube comment sections? Can you do it in daily life?

Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:48:47 2023 No.22498909

>>22498808
It's absolutely not. You think it's about that because that's the narrative right wing media is painting. No one besides very few clearly insane liberals believe that shit. People do have a problem with instutions that White people of the past and present have done, that they never fully rectified. Unless you're too far gone, the right wing hole, you should understand this completely. Plus, about the stupid anti-white/immigrant replacement idea. Immigrants are more often do very hard jobs and terribly paid jobs since they're desperate, which Capitalist (encompasing everyone rich or well off regardless of political party) use to their advantage. They're glad to have a workforce that easily exploitable, while most other people know how terrible of a deal it is to do those jobs. I'm not even gonna go into the anti-male idea you brought up since that's 100% just pure lunancy.

Last thing Populism is back, its just the idea of fighting the system that enables The Elite that not everyone is aware of

Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:48:48 2023 No.22498910

>>22498785
These things won't stop getting worse until we get rid of all non-whites and non-East Asians, simple as
All other races are savages with dogshit organization skills who are too inclined to rape and murder and thievery to be able to maintain a First World nation

Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:49:49 2023 No.22498915

>>22498879
Im a fan of Raspail though.
>>22498530

>>22498873
Im over 28. I posted that for lulz but It succinctly describes the shift of sentiment on this website. Maybe its the post election tourist boom or the terminal contrarianism of imageboard denizens I don't know, but the phenomena is there.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:50:35 2023 No.22498918 >>22498909 >it's not happening because it's happening and its good that it's happening classic

Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:52:59 2023 No.22498928

>>22498904
>Facebook
Absolutely yes
>Instagram
Yes, but only if you paint it as "edgy humor"
>Youtube
Kind of. Conservatives have entire platforms filled with this shit. Also, anything that attracts Gen X and Boomers into believing dumbass shit on how there were no issues in the past. But overall, it's mixed

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deformed bioleninists like OP are hilarious because they are so oblivious to the very simple fact that outside of that dysgenic cesspool of the USA whence they largely crawl from the "/pol/" points are really nothing scandalous, but they assume they are constantly speaking with other equally well herded Americans

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:54:45 2023 No.22498935 File: 12 KB, 258x245, raf.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22498910 So you want to 'remove' a large amount of people and for some reason you think they are the savage ones?

Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:55:08 2023 No.22498938

>>22498909
I live in a lefty province. It is impossible to have a conversation about lowering immigration or stop grooming kids towards gender fluidity without getting personally attacked. These ideas are powered by institutions that the left wing propagates.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:55:11 2023 No.22498939 >>22498928 Lol, you are delusional, genuinely. Polchuddism is definitely not mainstream on those platforms let alone in real life. Just because they say frick the government and stupid transpeople doesn't mean they are in tune with 4chan retardation.

Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:55:27 2023 No.22498940

>>22498892
It's fashionable to be an edgy enraging asshole and act like you know the truth and people who disagree with you are retarded [insert x label] and throwing punches below the belt by connecting your enemies to vague evil conspiracies or crimminals. People who like Soviet tanks in WW2? Vatnik scum! Pooptin cocksucker! Throw in some "cope" and "seethe" and put a jak in your thumbnail. Sure, in most cases their using these references wrong, but it's popular to come off as edgy and "4chan-like" and the 4chan these normalfags are mimicking is influenced more or less by post-2015 /pol/. So you have NATO supporters posing as 4channers.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:57:23 2023 No.22498949 >>22498940 So it is mainstream to be explicitly against minorities and the like? I wonder which big companies are profitting off of this mainstream aspect of society?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:58:47 2023 No.22498955 >>22498397 >things that never happened Ask yourself why chuds live rent-free in your head.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 23:59:58 2023 No.22498961 >>22498955 They voted for orange hitler and he and his demonarmy need to be stopped you incel.

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:00:16 2023 No.22498962

>>22498949
It's mainstream to be against certain minorities and madly support others (In Europe you can't say anything bad about gays, but hatred of immigrants is state sanctioned). What I'm saying is, there's a very popular style of argumentation and self-presentation on the internet that's lousey 4chan mimickry and a lot of that mimickry is based on copying stuff that was popularized from /pol/

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:02:14 2023 No.22498973 >>22498949 >he missed the bud light drama joe biden wake up

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:02:51 2023 No.22498974

>>22498962
Okay but that doesn't equate "it is fashionable to be a pol schizo nowadays". Everything you described is just a generally unpleasant person who wants to force his beliefs on others. They 've been around before pol and will do so for long after that.
It is NOT fashionable to be a polschizo.
Idk look at Kanye.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:03:52 2023 No.22498978 >>22498973 Is boycotting a brand for using a literal who tranny being a pol schizo?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:05:27 2023 No.22498984 >>22498397 Nothing, politics is gay

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:06:46 2023 No.22498988 >>22498442 What's your rational reasoning to be racist lol

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:06:54 2023 No.22498990 >>22498974 No but it's fashionable among edgy internet users to act and talk like a /pol/chud and that probably feeds the delusions of actual /pol/ scum

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:08:12 2023 No.22498995

>>22498939
Have you ever seen a Trump rally, and what the people genuinely believe is facts? Have you seen how many 13-24 year old boys are really into fascist ideals, whether through a lens of constant mind-numbing meta-irony or just hatred of the other? Have you never talked to Gen X guy who is into conservative media like Ben Shapiro? Have you seen how fucking dogshit most conservatives media literacy nowdays? Have you never seen how many people in the South still glorify the Confederacy in 2023? Have you ever told someone unknowledgable about the current living conditions of Native Americans, who get stunned that many Native Amarircans are alcoholics, poorer than every single American state, and dont even have clean water. I do agree that 4chan level chudism is next level, but not that far off depending on where you look, whether internet or real life

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:08:33 2023 No.22499000 >>22498397 The issue with right wing beliefs is they make you paranoid and angry all the time so getting rid of them just means your becoming an actual human being. Don't go to far left tho

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:09:27 2023 No.22499004

>>22498990
So it is fashionable for random internet users to be catty and mean and use lingo which is so far removed from its intended usage that, while the cattiness is still there, the polschizoness is completely removed from it? cool
being an actual bonafide pol schizo isnt mainstream though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:10:18 2023 No.22499008 >>22498995 It's all seen as a big meme you retard they all love hip hop you absolute fucking retard

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:12:30 2023 No.22499018

chud culture was starting to go mainstream through youtube back in 2017-18 and then youtube (whom the A/D/L/ literally jannies) shut it down. Had that not happened in all likelihood these talking points would have become much more normal in everyday life

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:12:45 2023 No.22499020

>>22498995
Ah yes ben shapiro, true polschizos love jews like him. And yes, conservatives have no media literacy, trademark of polschizos.
The south, ahhh yes loving the confederacy means you are a polschizo.
Ah yes, ask someone ignorant of the native struggle, somehow making them somewhere in the process a pol schizo. Not knowing about things is mainstream.
I am glad you understand that pol schizos and other groups can have overlap, but that doesn't mean being a polschizo is mainstream.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:15:17 2023 No.22499032 >>22499020 pol has an intelligentsia much more aware than the average Magacon

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:16:05 2023 No.22499037 >>22499032 indeed, and does that mean it is mainstream to be an actual polschizo

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:17:18 2023 No.22499039

>>22498978
100%. She literally posted an ad on her instagram feed with a custom can of Budlight. Do you really think it's normal for people to boycott, shoot beer cans, send death threats, steal and break Budlight, and get super angry at the mere mention of Budlight?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:17:29 2023 No.22499041 >>22499020 culture flows obviously pol schizo talking points dont spontaneously take over a host like ice-nine but facebook karens posting ywnbaw might indicate a small level of osmosis, maybe even momentum

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:17:54 2023 No.22499044 A lot of the people itt treat politics as some form of personality. Always so sad to see. (Verification not required)

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:20:41 2023 No.22499050

>>22499039
Is using freedom of speech being a polschizo. Death threats not included ofcourse. But is sending death threats mainstream? Ofcourse not, so no need to bring it up.
>>22499041
Indeed, one day, it might indeed be good to be a polschizo in culture. But as you smartly said rn, it isn't the case. But it is possible someday, culture flows.
So as we have concluded, it is NOT mainstream to be a polschizo. Only a few talking points, which are watered down, are sorta creeping up rn.
Thankyou all for the debate.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:20:46 2023 No.22499051 >>22499044 Self-exploitation. The commodification of your personality. You craft it to be consumed not only by others, but also yourself. >>22498752

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:21:25 2023 No.22499054 >>22499037 It's mainstream to a big portion of people in a major political party, you can't deny that

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:22:30 2023 No.22499057 >>22499054 Pol having an intelligentsia does not equal polschizoness being mainstream however. That is all I am saying (verification not required)

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:23:29 2023 No.22499062 >>22499050 I dont know how an argument over something being fashionable shifted to whether or not it was mainstream but yes, its not mainstream. counter cultures have never been mainstream(by definition) but have always been fashionable.

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:25:45 2023 No.22499068

>>22498397
Your pursuit of knowledge is far from over. Your efforts to leave your comfort zone are commendable and you have taken a step most people will never actually take. Keep learning, keep trying new things, keep yourself open to new experiences. As you continue to progress you may very well leave your ego behind and reach a stage of contentment that has been envied for centuries, or perhaps a state of mental independence that will open new opportunities for you that were previously outside your grasp.

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:25:52 2023 No.22499070
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>>22498442
The trope of "racist just doesn't have black friends" is no longer applicable, in my experience. Since I, apparently, am "redpilled coded" I've gotten to know a lot of guys who get very comfortable confessing their extremist views to me, and I've realized that there's A LOT of genuine Nazis out there who still have friends from other races, are perfectly cordial in social life, etc. They are literally wolves in sheep's clothing.
It's been an enlightening experience desu, the rise of the NSDAP in Germany suddenly makes sense once you realize how surprisingly common they can be, and that the only real thing keeping them in line is societal pressure and fear of ostracization.
For whatever reason, people are perfectly capable of having completely contradictory beliefs and irrational opinions.

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:26:14 2023 No.22499071

>>22499062
It being appealing to some people doesn't say much except about those people. The argument started with
>its fashionable to be a /pol/ schizo nowadays
if we then take your approach to fashionableness, we are better of not having this convo, since it is very personal indeed.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:26:17 2023 No.22499072 >>22498397 >capitalism has flaws >wtf I hate straight White males now There's plenty of comfy literature by straight White males that is critical of capitalism on racial grounds

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:27:57 2023 No.22499077

>>22498498
>Fascist states are the norm throughout history
Fascist states are non existent until the 1800s (being very generous here). A Fascist state is nothing like a Feudal Monarchy or even like the Chinese Imperial state and so forth. This is like equating a horse to an oxen because they both walk on 4 legs.

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:28:54 2023 No.22499083

>>22498397
>>they constantly point out the many contradictions and biases in my reasoning
>>realize i've been a retard and saw everything through a cult filter
>>actually agree with a bunch of leftist points about the state of the world
>well shit
>what the fuck do I do now?
why do you need to do anything at all? continue being antisemitic /pol/ chud regardless of subjective/objective truths. Only weak minded are swayed by opinions of others.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:29:00 2023 No.22499084 >>22499070 curious where you're finding these people

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:29:29 2023 No.22499087

>>22499068
Not true
>Knowledge has two extremes. The first is the pure natural ignorance in which all men find themselves at birth. The other extreme is that reached by great minds, who, having run through all that men can know, find they know nothing, and come back again to that same natural ignorance from which they set out; this is a learned ignorance which is conscious of itself.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:30:10 2023 No.22499089 >>22498988 Knowledge of history and statistics. Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study.

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:36:05 2023 No.22499112

>>22498938
Lowering immigration is dumb as shit. 99% of the population of the U.S. is immigrants, diversity is arguably the best attribute America has had in its disposal. With building culture and acculamting wealth

Gender fluidity is also fucking stupid to get mad at. No one is grooming kids, stop looking at biased conservative media trying to make you hate the other all the time. Talking about how some people can be gay, straight, lesiban, trans, etc, doesn't magically make someone straight, gay, trans, or whatever. Just look at deeply religious, homophobic, etc parents. People still turn out lgbt+ without any outside force, even if parents instill hatred for lgbtq+ people

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:37:10 2023 No.22499115 >>22499112 Standard bait but I hope you didn't type that all out.

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:37:19 2023 No.22499117

>>22499070
Liberals assume that racists are simply people with bad beliefs or lack of knowledge, conveniantly defining them so liberals can excuse themselves of their own brand of virulent racism. Why would it seem odd for normal functioning beings to really be /pol/ schizos? There are dozens of studies on what motivated German soldiers to take part the Holocaust, but nobody outside a small fringe questions the psychology of American bomber pilots who carpet bombed cities. Liberals think they are sane and everyone else is mentally ill and that's where "extremism" comes from and that's why they fail at dealing with Nazis etc.

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:39:00 2023 No.22499125
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>>22499089
Stats are often used to justify racism but they tend to leave far more questions unanswered.
Are you really satisfied with 'black people just commit more crime' or 'blacks just have lower iq'?
Wouldn't you like to find out why the stats are the way they are?
I understand its comforting to see stats reinforce or even justify your beliefs, but you need to understand its just another local maximum.

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:39:01 2023 No.22499127

>>22499087
I would argue Socrates and the ultimate goal of Socratic dialectic is the loss of ego or the state in which ego is suspended. So that would be opting for loss of ego, something you have hinted is envied by referring to it as being emblematic of a great mind. Or at least this is what you are saying.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:39:01 2023 No.22499126 >>22499112 >Living in a minority white country with racial tensions is such a desirable thing!

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:42:13 2023 No.22499136

>>22499117
It's just the nature of how American propganda is nowadays. A lot of people are not knowledgable on topics while being filled with false ones. So its not really wrong to assume they can't be helped if they're not even in the same playing field. I do agree that their is a nature of evil in human psychology that can never get completely wiped out from some people, some people truly just hate minorties outside of just ignorance and their upbringing, and theirs nothing that can be done to help them out

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:43:07 2023 No.22499138 >>22499125 It's pretty obvious from studies like that and world IQ reviews the problem with blacks is largely genetic.

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:43:28 2023 No.22499141

>>22498635
>if they dropped the culture war insanity.
Left wing politicians are the same as right wing politicians. They fundamentally agree on how the corrupt system works, so the only way they can get votes is by screeching about the gays. They absolutely do not want to talk about wage growth.
>>22498808
>with anti-white, anti-male hiring standards
They only want immigrants and women because they can pay them less. They don't give a shit about anything but money. Once the robots show up, they'll replace us all.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:46:33 2023 No.22499150 >>22499141 >robots But then people wouldn’t have money to pay for their services or products

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:47:43 2023 No.22499153

>>22499084
University lol
I studied in the Netherlands as an international student first and then I did a study program in Spain too.
Upper class Latinoamericans are the worst offfenders by far, damn those Brazilians and Argentines are nuts, but plenty of normal middle class Euros from all EU countries (Swedish, Dutch, French, etc) are like this as well.
Chinese Mainlanders are probably the most apolitical people I ever met, funnily enough. They just shrug everything off and their attitude boiled down to "yeah man whatever"

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:48:06 2023 No.22499154 >>22499150 Universal basic income

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:49:10 2023 No.22499157

>>22499112
>99% of the population of the U.S. is immigrants,
I understand the point, but come on, someone is obviously not an "immigrant" by the 3rd generation of the family being there. Immigrants in the USA are people born abroad, not those born and raised in the US. Native Americans won't get the continent back any time soon, unless they plan on killing everyone else

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:54:16 2023 No.22499175

>>22499141
You’re fucking retarded the average Middle Eastern and African migrant is a net drain. They cost the state more than they contribute. The first waves of mass immigration to the uk under Blair were overseen by communist Jews in the cabinet who have been quoted on record as saying they did it to rub diversity in the nose of the right and as justice for the British Empire. This wasn’t done by British Petroleum or Shell you faggot.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:55:25 2023 No.22499182 >>22499153 I keep looking for baesed folkz and am only finding drug culture libertarians vaguely open minded for some reason. I feel like the flashy aesthetic lifestyle is entirely natural for men if they're into bodybuilding

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:55:30 2023 No.22499183

>>22499157
Okay, and? If the best parts of America are immigrants and their offspring, then that just reinforces why being anti-immigration is terrible. People who think immigration makes their lives or other people lives worse are just the ultra racist that are just like the people in the past who would tell Irish, Italian, and Chinese (etc) immigrants to get back on the boat and never come back

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:56:14 2023 No.22499187 >>22499154 Ahh yes, the rare corporate-feudalism and communist hybrid

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:56:59 2023 No.22499190

the people commonly referred as "liberals" are the manifestation of the entropy required to pop the bubble of total western domination of the last 400 years and reduce everything back to a more evenly higher entropy field
there's absolutely nothing you can say or do to change them other than patiently wait for bands of bantus to rape and kill these hermeneutically putrified zombies all over the former white world

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:59:25 2023 No.22499197 >>22499190 It is interesting how they seem to entirely rely on ignorance and status quo privilege at this point

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 01:00:11 2023 No.22499202 File: 5 KB, 243x207, billy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22499138 So do you think jews are genetically superior to whites then?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 01:00:30 2023 No.22499204 >>22499187 Lol, that is a good description. I'm not sure what else there is to do if robots replace everyone. Maybe just give up money entirely and hail our robot overlords?

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 01:02:39 2023 No.22499208

>>22499175
>You’re fucking retarded the average Middle Eastern and African migrant is a net drain.
Funny how this is never backed up or investigated. I've spent a lot of time in Europe and I've seen most immigrants do better than natives within a generation or so. The unemployment rate is higher, but a lot of those people are already middle income anyway. As for large waves of migration in Britain, they happened in the Victorian era and the majority of them were Eastern European Jews and Irish Catholics. Both groups not seen white and both seen as foreign. Nevertheless, anti-immigrant types aren't bothered by the large number of people of Irish Catholic descent in the country while their Victorian ancestors were obsessed with being overrun by foreign hordes.

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 01:03:17 2023 No.22499209

>>22499202
They definitely have advantages over other groups when it comes to in-group bias. I think that might be cultural, but it might have a racial component. Jews also do have a propensity for word play and cleverness. Unfortunately, this seems to be tied to some irrepressible urge to subvert morality.

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 01:04:30 2023 No.22499215

>>22499125
The clearest way to deter racism is to research the stats and graphs on pol. Once you do, with actual statistical methodology, you'll realize it's all been bs. Then you'll realize most economic and sociological stats are bs. Such as GDP, IQ, etc. Racists are capeshit watching mouth breathers who want everything in reality to be categorized and black and white so everything has a hero and a villain, there is no complexity or depth to life, there is only right and wrong.

Inb4 lefties are the same!
Yes but they blame made up mental illnesses for their problems rather than Jews and fifth columns, so at least they're realistic.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 01:05:06 2023 No.22499218 >>22499209 >20% of Nobel Prize winners while being 2% of the world population >a propensity for word play and cleverness holy cope

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 01:07:27 2023 No.22499229

>>22498551
I think it’s used to describe capitalism which has reached ultimate ideological stability: it is essentially impossible to operate outside of the system, the organs which keep the system running are so large scale and disguised that they’re nearly impossible to identify, the average person is unable to comprehend how the system even works in all it’s minute determinations. In general, late-stage capitalism is best expressed by the function of the internet for ideological discourse: anything is possible but nothing is possible. All connections can be made but all are impotent, no mass scale movement can arise to face capitalism because everything is dependent on it, and no one shares any real cultural experience other than what technocapital provides.

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 01:15:14 2023 No.22499253

>>22498397 Look OP, finding new information and getting more context is just part of growth and becoming a better critical thinker. You should always entertain new viewpoints and be open to the idea that you're wrong. It's not one or the other. There is an inherent danger to labels and really they are only useful if you're a two-digit IQ dimwit. Don't ever call yourself a "fascist" or a "leftist" or a "libertarian" or anything like that. You're you. Anything else is a mixture of stupidity and weakness.

Try to see if you can produce counterarguments to the leftist point of you and get as nuanced a perspective as you can. Be okay with having leftist stances on some things, right wing stances on others. Don't be a sheep like most of the idiots in this world.

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 01:15:16 2023 No.22499254
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>>22499209
>believes blacks have lower IQ because "its obvious" from the stats and poorer countries
>conveniently refuses to apply this same logic to jews who tend to be more affluent and score higher on IQ tests
>implies the fruits of their labor are instead the result of deception or nepotism
classic

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 01:20:31 2023 No.22499273

>>22499125
>Wouldn't you like to find out why the stats are the way they are?
It’s such a mystery.
As I’ve said, I know history and statistics. I can easily predict outcomes of different real life policies based on my experience. You can nitpick it all you want just like you could nitpick any area of human knowledge (‘But how do we know that ZFC doesn’t contain paradoxes?’, ‘But how do we define English language when each geographic area has its own dialect?’ and so on). It doesn’t matter if it’s because of racism or genetics or global conspiracy, but if you built two identical cities and filled one with whites and one with blacks, the first city would be nicer to live in. Is there some deep reasoning behind it? Sure, and I have a good understanding of it, but in the end, the only thing that matters in real world is whether my predictions are correct, and they are.

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 01:21:57 2023 No.22499275

>>22499204
I mean, if the government just wants to provide the populace with money to support the robot driven corporations, I’d be fine as long as I can maintain the same lifestyle I do now. But we wouldn’t be paying taxes then so the welfare state would have to be provided for by the corporations, who in turn want the money back. It would be a triangular flow with little purpose. Ultimately corporations want the economy thriving, which means the populace having money, which means the populace having jobs. Robots will make some basic jobs obsolete but I wouldn’t worry about a robot takeover of the workforce. That would hurt the corporations

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 01:24:47 2023 No.22499288 File: 450 KB, 454x600, penn.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22499273 cool story bro

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 01:26:27 2023 No.22499298

>>22499254
>implies the fruits of their labor are instead the result of deception or nepotism
It is true, although yes, the jews are indeed very smart people as well. Anyone capable of deception has to be at least above average in intelligence. Look at China and its current Salami Slicing in the South East, nobody can stop them. You have to be smart to be effectively evil, otherwise you're just another thug that amounts to nothing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 01:32:47 2023 No.22499327 >>22499275 >It would be a triangular flow with little purpose do you think there is some kind of higher purpose now other than maximizing resource extraction?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 01:33:03 2023 No.22499329 File: 86 KB, 250x187, 1693007560025669.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Mark my words. You will return to your original position with new lenses

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 01:38:53 2023 No.22499353 >>22499327 It’s a symbiotic relationship

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 01:42:50 2023 No.22499368 >>22499288 Sucks to be you.

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 01:57:47 2023 No.22499432

>>22499353
More parasitic than symbiotic.
The lens of capital sees humans in the same vein as a mine (no pun intended). Another finite resource to be value extracted. It just has to jump through more hoops.
Newer machines can produce, consume, and recycle better than we can.
I think at some point it can carry on just as well, if not more efficiently without the bloat of appealing to our sensibilities.
Like a company that responds to record profits with layoffs. Perhaps only a taste of whats to come.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 02:15:05 2023 No.22499486 File: 30 KB, 600x534, 1689394918460323.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22498397 >"Hey guys I think I will start spouting ideological shit from this propaganda machine now and not from the one before" kys

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 02:17:17 2023 No.22499495 >>22499432 Workers also profit from a successful company and strong economy. I think that obviously one has much more power on an individual level, so that gives the appearance of a parasitic relationship.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 02:18:26 2023 No.22499500 >>22498988 High crime rate, and brown people are ugly, I just don’t want to see them

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 02:19:52 2023 No.22499504 >>22499486 I hope you're saying that democrats (liberals) and conservatives are both terrible and not that leftism is similar to either of them

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 02:20:30 2023 No.22499507 >>22498397 read Socialism Utopian and Scientific, and understand how the modern left is full of antiintellectual gayops

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 02:24:20 2023 No.22499521 >>22498397 >what the fuck do I do now? Acknowledge that bourgeois Marxism is anti-praxic. Get a job Join your union Shoot your boss.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 02:24:33 2023 No.22499524 >>22499202 They're dying out, so no

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 02:26:20 2023 No.22499533

>>22499495
economic mobility is the lowest its ever been, wages are stagnant, unions are on the decline despite record productivity and profits, most Americans living paycheck to paycheck
the joke that workers benefit from a successful company and economy is hilariously out of touch

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 02:32:46 2023 No.22499550 >>22498450 Just kys already niggerloving tranny

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 02:36:51 2023 No.22499562

>>22498488
They were both socialists you dumb nigger, Marx didn’t own socialism, look into Prussian Socialism. Hitler was a Prussian socialist, Mussolini was a Sorelian syndicalist, he admitted himself that he owed everything he is to Sorel. Many fascists started as socialists but gravitated towards nationalism because they realized that internationalism is retarded and was never going to work. It turns out, contrary to popular belief, that a white tradesman feels more kinship with a rich white man than he does a nigger who has the same job, who would have thought?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 02:37:12 2023 No.22499564 >>22499550 it's one thing to be a race raelist, it's another thing to be a jackass

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 02:37:18 2023 No.22499565 >>22498450 That's because hating and blaming people is bad. Just because there's a better case for soulless, retarded materialists to make for hating certain people doesn't make it less retarded.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 02:38:31 2023 No.22499569 >>22499564 >Just be a heckin good human you meanie Reddit is calling

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 02:39:21 2023 No.22499572 >>22498530 Of course, the NAZ-BOL VORTEX is fast approaching. Let's hope it gets more Napoleonic than Jacobin. >>22498752 Quality post >>22499229 That first sentence is Fischer's capitalist realism

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 02:39:25 2023 No.22499574 >>22498397 Now read moderate conservative and neoliberal criticisms of their work

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 02:39:44 2023 No.22499576 >>22498978 isnt that just cancel culture

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 02:40:50 2023 No.22499583 >>22499569 >exhibit deliberate and extreme antisocial behavior because.... you just should, okay!

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 02:41:13 2023 No.22499584 >>22499569 I have to call everybody racial insults and carry on like a jackass on the internet because I can't say this in real life! You just don't understand!!

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 02:44:16 2023 No.22499596

>>22498397
>>22499507 (this)
>>22499521
>>22499572
>>22499574
The answer is, of course, expert infiltration of leftist groups.
I do this; remember that they'll never understand you and they don't want to. The instinct to support just (and not material/exploitative) hierarchy is absent from the leftist mind. Don't be afraid of 'losing' your beliefs, just remember to follow your instincts on goodness instead of any biased retards. /pol/fags are poison for society, that's how they get so big; people love the drug. Something something go nice guy national socialist (oxymoronic, perhaps)

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 02:48:36 2023 No.22499610 >>22499329 This I fear. I was a /pol/chud after being an ancap state hater. Then I became a sensible christian trad reactiooner but I got jaded by politicking and am now just a christian anarchist

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 02:50:58 2023 No.22499618 Back in my day, baiting LARP threads had to be better than whatever this horse shit is

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 02:56:22 2023 No.22499634 >>22499533 I’m talking about the economy in general, not the economy of this moment. I get a pretty nice bonus if my company does well

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 03:00:38 2023 No.22499648 >>22499634 >"works on my machine" :(

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 03:00:51 2023 No.22499650 >>22498397 Another false flag inside job like 9/11 will turn most people racist again.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 06:09:39 2023 No.22500072 >>22499572 Napoleon followed the Jacobins, idiot.

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 06:16:21 2023 No.22500082

>>22499596
Is this really a common thing for leftists to still believe in hierarchy if it's deemed "just?" Because the biggest argument against socialism is how someone deemed "just" to the masses can be an ultra evil authoritative monster if the public are propgandized or are too blind enough to what can happen by establishing any hierachy

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 06:21:02 2023 No.22500086

>>22500082
This hasn't been true since Marx's attacks on idealist socialists in the 19th century. The question since the 19th century has been whether power is *effective* at putting the working class into power or not. Not whether it is just.

Provisional answers from the 20th century negate Marx's instrumentalist and substitutionalist position.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 06:26:33 2023 No.22500093 >>22500086 This is a no true scotsman thing but everyday leftists in power clearly do believe in their institutions and shore them up constantly. All of covid was "trust the experts", ditto on the response to populism

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 06:34:51 2023 No.22500109

>>22498876
That's not a feature of late-stage capitalism althoughbeit, Marx already recognised and analysed that sort of appropriation in his own time. You can find it here (it's a pretty short read): https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1852/18th-brumaire/

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 06:40:35 2023 No.22500117 >>22500093 >All of covid was "trust the experts" >covid I'm working for wages son. They're not leftists. Its the sin qua non of leftism.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 06:46:33 2023 No.22500128 >>22500072 Until it was inconvenient. He wasn't Lucien. And even Lucien came around eventually.

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 06:51:02 2023 No.22500138

>>22498397
Don’t worry about conforming to an already established political group. No need to label yourself. Decide for yourself on individual matters, and the decision may be different depending on circumstances. Be an individual and free thinker, not a cattle of herd politics

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 06:51:39 2023 No.22500140 >>22499562 >It turns out, contrary to popular belief, that a white tradesman feels more kinship with a rich white man than he does a nigger who has the same job, who would have thought? Ah yes all those niggers in early 20th century Germany.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 06:51:56 2023 No.22500141 >>22498397 falseflagging this blatantly

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 07:15:44 2023 No.22500181

>>22499183
>People who think immigration makes their lives or other people lives worse are just the ultra racist that are just like the people in the past who would tell Irish, Italian, and Chinese (etc) immigrants to get back on the boat and never come back
Isn't it a little more contextual?
I think regarding immigration reducing the issue to a pro v.s anti side is reductive. Immigration can be positive and it can make people's lives worse, it really just depends. The question in politics to consider is not "is immigration positive in general", but one ought more narrowly consider to whom does it benefit.
Like if i lived in a border town that adopted a complete open borders policy and subsequently received a massive influx more than the city's infrastructure could mantain, I'd probably be anti-immigration in that context.
But it also depends on the kinds of people the immigration system accepts and how discriminating (in the broad sense of the word) the system is as to who they let in.
Taking the broad view, however, it seems to me that states have always tried to restrict who can or can't be let in, but it's likely in the past 2 centuries that states have been able to effectively police entry into a nation.
Considering your example of how people in the past reacted to Irish and Chinease immigrants in the U.S, i think much of this rascism was unjustified, but there was also a kernal of truth to these prejudices.
Regarding the Irish, Anglo-americans feared that the Catholicism of these immigrants would subvert protestant and democratic values.
Machine politics also entered into things, as democratic politicians used patronage and corruption to secure the votes of these urban immigrants.
Often the anti-immigrant sentiments of early 20th century Americans was also directed at this corruption

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 07:32:27 2023 No.22500205

>>22499153
>Upper class Latinoamericans are the worst offfenders by far, damn those Brazilians and Argentines are nuts,
About half of the Latin Americans i met at uni were basic bitch Marxists.
>Chinese Mainlanders are probably the most apolitical people I ever met, funnily enough. They just shrug everything off and their attitude boiled down to "yeah man whatever"
It's interesting this seems to be a cultural difference that's been around for a long time.
I was reading De Maistre's book om sovereignty, from the 19th century, and he has a section in which he talks about the cultural differences between European and Asiatic people's and he describes something similar:
That the monarchies in Europe are implicitly expected to serve the people, but that in Asia there despotism does not need to serve the people im the same way as obedience for its own sake is valued more highly.

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 07:45:36 2023 No.22500221

>>22499112
>Gender fluidity is also fucking stupid to get mad at. No one is grooming kids
The grooming kids line is a stupid right wing talking point, but the concept of gender fluidity is incredibly moronic.
This rhetoric functions effectively a new age religion.
One formed by the liberal conception that identity is unbounded and only constrained from without by "repressive" social forces that force individuals to repress their real, authentic identity which is considered totally non-fixed and entirely within the realm of individual choice.
The latter constitutes the foundational mythology of this rhetoric, like most religions there is a false way instilled by the evil groups, an initiation, and a rebirth or baptism into a new, more true way of life.
The issue with this religious narrative, for me, is that being thoroughly social animals I'm not sure to what extent we can consider a person removed from the social forces, nor can we ignore that in issues of sexuality some repression, some line drawing, some lack of openers is simply necessary in any society.

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 07:56:01 2023 No.22500237
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>>22498397
You should try to come up with your own ideas instead of believing whatever you read most recently
Furthermore, because you use the term ‘chud’, I think your entire post is fictional
Try reading some ‘right wing’ books about contemporary politics - ex. The Strange Death of Europe - and you might actually experience the situation you’re larping

Fake ass pussy baka

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 07:56:47 2023 No.22500238

>>22500181
Fair points. I was purposefully making a massive generalization to make my central point. Mostly pointing out the hypocrisy the kids of immigrants or past immigrants have on immigrants today. The main "issue" people have with immigrants is all about taking jobs. Which is eerily similar to the view of Italians(etc) who would do very hard work, unsafe/unclean, and cheap pay. All while living in cramp apartments, barely being able to survive or provide for their families. I may be wrong or misinformed, but in the past, there was a higher ratio of people coming in compared today, with a lot of immigrants of the past getting their shit kicked argubly more so than ones today by American society, since there passable rules in place to protect workers rn and less racism. Yet society didn't collapse, and the middle class was doing well even with dealing with the Great depression and dust bowl.

What I'm also getting at is a lot of what you call "justifiable" reasons for people disliking or hating immigrants in the past, show how these immigrants understood how bad things were for lower income and lower income minorties had it in American society. It makes perfect sense of polticians wanting to appeal to these people either for power, money, and/or of an actual want to do good, if people are disfranchised than its their right to have any way of expressing that for a better life.

For the Irish comment you made, if theirs a major religion that is so against Catholism that they believe letting people starve in Ireland is a good thing or be discriminated all the time in America. Then that means they believe in a shit system, and their worries are unjustifiable. It makes their worries somewhat make sense for that time period, but it doesn't make their beliefs justifable even at the time, its just pure me vs. them mentality for a country that supposebly cool with all religions being supported

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 07:58:38 2023 No.22500241 >>22498397 Now you read Chud theory. I'm sure you'll just as easily be swayed back. You sound very easy to convince.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 08:00:51 2023 No.22500246 >>22499070 Plenty of friend groups are both very diverse and make racist jokes and observations with each other This is just normal male friendship As a FTM individual, you should aspire to understand this dynamic

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 08:04:45 2023 No.22500256

>>22500221
To put this simply, repression fucking sucks. Repression for gender and sexuality doesn't work, and it only harms individuals and families. Some people I think are definitely taking the thing too far at times, when lgbtq+ issues should be more relaxed in approach and never crazy or reactionary unless freedoms are infringed. But to deem majority or all lgbtq+ people view the movement as a religion. That's a pretty crazy take. Majority lgbtq+ people just want to be treated on an individual basis and to live their lives without constraint like everyone else

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 08:20:04 2023 No.22500279

>>22500238
>I may be wrong or misinformed, but in the past, there was a higher ratio of people coming in compared today, with a lot of immigrants of the past getting their shit kicked argubly more so than ones today by American society, since there passable rules in place to protect workers rn and less racism.
Not positive but i think you may be right. As far as i understand there was a massive influx in the early 20th century, the third wave, mostly comimg from Ireland and South-Eastern European nations that were dealing with famine.
Then there was a subsequent backlash in the 1920s which saw the introduction of several laws aimed at restricting immigration.
>Yet society didn't collapse, and the middle class was doing well even with dealing with the Great depression and dust bowl.
I wasn't claiming immigration will destroy society, that's a high bar (very few things can truly collapse society lol maybe crop failure).
I was saying rather than consider immigration in the abstract it depends on the specific circumstance and the beneficiaries. Not everyone benefits from immigration, some do some don't.
The question is not "yay immigration!" V.s "nay immigration!", but what kinds and under what restrictions ought we to let people in.
>polticians wanting to appeal to these people either for power, money, and/or of an actual want to do good, if people are disfranchised than its their right to have any way of expressing that for a better life.
Right but my point was that anti-immigration sentiment was more complicated than these people just being rascist. As a lot of these urban politicians were genuinely corrupt and would straight up buy votes.
And so anti immigration sentiment was also tied to anti-corruption measures.
>letting people starve in Ireland
If anything the British were more to blame for that than us, but point taken.
I agree that a lot of the anti-immigrant sentiment could be excessice or repulsive.
My only point was that there were political and cultural questions as well. As there was this widespread fear, often hyperbolic, that the Irish would be more loyal to the Pope and more sympathetic to monarchical forms of government.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 08:29:17 2023 No.22500296 >>22500279 Cool, we're both agreeable. I also didn't know about how bad corruption was and how that tied to immigrants. That's defitnely something I should read up on. Thanks man

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 08:33:05 2023 No.22500304

>>22500256
>But to deem majority or all lgbtq+ people view the movement as a religion. That's a pretty crazy take.
Gay people themselves do not constitute a religion. But LGBT rhetoric is religious. It being a religion doesn't make it wrong, but rather what i find wrong about this religion is the way it elevates absolute openess and individualism to the level of unquestionable dogma.
>Majority lgbtq+ people just want to be treated on an individual basis and to live their lives without constraint like everyone else
"Without constraint" is a very interesting and revealing choice of words.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 08:45:52 2023 No.22500325 >>22498397 >many contradictions and biases in my reasoning Like what?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 09:04:46 2023 No.22500359 File: 184 KB, 848x819, 1694701377040041.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22498397 You must be a pleb. There is no way of refuting racism and anti semiticism. You have been pilpul'd.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 09:12:58 2023 No.22500374 >>22500325 >>22500359 He was a ‘leftist’, read 4chan for awhile, then read critical theory books and said ‘these guys are good at critiquing capitalism’

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 09:29:39 2023 No.22500398 >>22498397 >what the fuck do I do now? Kill yourself, do this world a favor.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 09:31:36 2023 No.22500399 >>22498854 Kill yourself tranny faggot

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 09:33:48 2023 No.22500401 >>22498397 Leftoids aren’t that bad at analyzing and pointing out what sucks They’re terrible when it comes to proposing alternatives though, once you understand that you’re golden

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 09:38:44 2023 No.22500410

>>22498551
"Late stage capitalism" is a term used by historically illiterate brainless. I mean, holy shit, if this is the supposed end game of capitalism and the worst it can be then what the hell was the entire 19th century with its non-existent labor laws, robber barons, and child labor?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 09:45:46 2023 No.22500423 >>22498397 Maybe you should move to brazil then, very diverse and gay you will love it

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 09:56:14 2023 No.22500445 >>22498397 Dude you don't pass

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 09:57:15 2023 No.22500448 >>22498442 Unironically go back to r3ddit

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 09:58:26 2023 No.22500453 >>22500401 >Leftoids aren’t that bad at analyzing and pointing out what sucks Because that's easy Any retarded 14 year old on this website can do that

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 09:59:38 2023 No.22500454 >>22500141 This

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 10:00:39 2023 No.22500457 >>22500109 Marx is out of date garbage that has been proven wrong many times

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 10:00:48 2023 No.22500459 >>22500410 >doesn’t know what it means >proceeds to argue against a strawman Never change, lit

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 10:06:40 2023 No.22500465 >>22500457 troll post

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 10:10:35 2023 No.22500470
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>>22498397
>what the fuck do I do now?
Stop seething about jews, stop seething about muh class conflict.
Embrace thermodynamic dissipative structures view, and realize that your only ticket is to serve an AI, that is infecting us from the future.

"Thus one sees the decaying Hegelian socialist heritage clinging with increasing desperation to the theological sentimentalities of praxis, reification, alienation, ethics, autonomy, and other such mythemes of human creative sovereignty. A Cartesian howl is raised: *people are being treated as things!* Rather than as … soul, spirit, the subject of history, Dasein? For how long will this infantilism be protracted?"

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 10:14:25 2023 No.22500479 >>22500465 >everything that triggers me is le troll Poor low iq marxist snowflake

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 10:14:53 2023 No.22500480 >>22500479 filtered

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 10:15:26 2023 No.22500481 >>22500459 >is unironically a marxist HAHAHAHAHA JUST

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 10:15:32 2023 No.22500482
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>>22498551
>I've seen people use the term "late stage capitalism" a lot recently, what does that mean specifically?

nta, but

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 10:17:00 2023 No.22500484 >>22500470 hwo do you feel about ccru nick land turning into a shitty nrx clone of moldbug?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 10:19:30 2023 No.22500488 >>22500480 Yes, i filtered it, since my IQ is above average and i graduated high school. Keep coping.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 10:23:46 2023 No.22500497 >>22498397 Even bait threads have decayed, it's truly over for /lit/ardation

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 10:40:08 2023 No.22500509 >>22500488 Define the labor theory of value right now Don’t open another tab to look it up, write what you think it means and prove your ‘high IQ’

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 10:51:24 2023 No.22500522 >>22500509 >your

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