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[Anonymous No.22440631]

>read philosophical work
>don't understand it
>look up explanations
>no one can agree on what the work means

What's the point? Why not make up your own philosophical system at that point?

[Anonymous No.22440636]

>>22440631
Which one

[Anonymous No.22440637]

Stop reading continental philosophy, it's basically a type of poetry or performance art

[Anonymous No.22440655]

All philosophy other than the positivist tradition of political philosophy, political economy, and early economics is completely worthless
In other words, basically, if your "philosophy" was written by anyone other than an Ancient Greek or an Anglo or Anglo-American, throw it out.
God help you if you're reading anything written by a German or Austrian. That shit is autism personified. How many times do those freaks have to try to summarize all human history to one causal variable and go insane in the process, before they realize it isn't going to work?
If it's French it's just masturbation on the page to look cool
"Intellectuals" are almost definitionally people with a combination of personal grievances and personal neuroses / pathologies which infect their work irreparably. That is why they write incomprehensible gobbledygook that ultimately says nothing. Anything other than joining the winning team of 'Constitutional Liberalism and Free Markets, Broadly Defined' which has been kicking the shit out of every competing ideological movement for hundreds of years with no stopping.
But oh no, some retarded German homeless guy or whatever got really angry about it and declared it a mortal evil and tried to invent a new system which never once worked, and the French guy said "Well how can we know what it is to be a subject under our current condition if we are ourselves a subject to be experiencing the object which cannot be objectively defined because we are the subject of the object as much as we are the object of the subject?"
It's like just shut the fuck up lol, I hate the poors so god damn much

[Anonymous No.22440657]

>>22440631
GPT Is unironically pretty good at this stuff. You kinda need to hold its hand adding stuff like "Lets break this down"

[Anonymous No.22440676]

>>22440655
based

[Anonymous No.22440680]

>>22440655
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.22440685]

>>22440655
>Anglo or Anglo-American
LMAO.
Anything past maybe 500AD is crap. You don't need anything besides greek and far eastern philosophy.

[Anonymous No.22440688]

>>22440657
GPT constantly spits out wrong information.

[Anonymous No.22440689]

>>22440636
Plato's republic.

[Anonymous No.22440696]

>>22440689
I haven't read it yet. Is this your first dialogue by from Plato? You probably shouldn't start with one of the largest and most central works by him.

[Anonymous No.22440705]

>>22440696
No I read the the one where Socrates argues about what piety is and the one covering the trial of Socrates.

[Anonymous No.22440707]

>>22440631
So what did anon (OP) ((Faggot)) mean by this work?
From the frog I infer that he is disappointed with the subject at hand but (speculation) I think deeper than that he is disappointed at his own prowess when it comes to analysis of philosophical texts. In line 2 he writes
>don't understand it
And so I think what he's really complaining about here is that his education system has failed him so utterly that he isn't able to understand simple philosophical works.
My personal view is that Anon (OP) ((Faggot)) is taking a kind of self harming jab at the education system. The irony is that this implied failed system taught him well enough to hide such a statement behind layers of potentially ironic frogposting.

Did anyone get anything different?

[Anonymous No.22440723]

>>22440689
There should be nothing controversial about that one. The state Socrates argues for is a metaphor for the soul. He argues aginst nihilism and atheism in that dialogue. It even ends with the myth of Er to make this obvious.

[Anonymous No.22440740]

>>22440723
Well there's some shit at the beginning about justice that threw me for a loop so I looked it up and some people say that he's just wrong and others say that the whole work is satirical and is mocking the Socratic method.

[Anonymous No.22440746]

>>22440705
In Thrasyllus' order, it is suggested you read the short Clitophon dialogue first to be introduced to Socrates' views on justice.
http://branemrys.blogspot.com/2014/05/some-thoughts-toward-reading-platos.html

[Anonymous No.22440750]

>>22440740
Well that is just not true. The Republic is not one of the aporetic/ "ironic" dialogues where Socrates is being facetious. It is a middle period diaogue where he expounds his ideas about the forms.

[Anonymous No.22440759]

>>22440689
The work is fairly straightforward. It's most people who read it who are too retarded to get the point.

[Anonymous No.22440769]

>>22440707
Well if you want an explanation I made this thread to see how people interpret philosophical works (because I have trouble with that) and also to piss people like you off. That way I get information and entertainment from one thread (also inflammatory threads are the only ones that get replies).

[Anonymous No.22440797]

>>22440769
You really going to make me explain the joke? Baka Frogposter

[Anonymous No.22440804]

>>22440797
No I get the joke. But I wanted to just be open and honest about my intentions.

[Anonymous No.22440816]

>>22440631
It’s called being based and reaching noesis. Hylics need not apply

[Anonymous No.22440828]

>>22440816
You know I've been doing meditation and some occult stuff for 4 years at this point and I've not noticed any effects. So either it's all fake or I'm a Hylic. (or I'm just not trying hard enough)

[Anonymous No.22440860]

>>22440828
What do you mean by occult stuff ? If you want life changing experience i recommend the triune God.

[Anonymous No.22440891]

>>22440860
Mainly the LBRP. I've been doing it every night, but not much else.

[Anonymous No.22441000]

you should list the author and the book. while many argue about the scriptures, far less talk about philosophy - ancient or contemporary. It is vastly less important. any and all philosophy is basically a belief system involving the will and language, etc., which is what Wittgenstein showed; aside from him, the moderns offer basically nothing of value. the scriptures can be meaningfully debated because hundreds of monks and saints and later writers clarified beliefs and dogmas in reference to the scriptures; the debates become matters of minutiae at a certain point because some basic assumptions are satisfied. no philosophical school has lasted for two-thousand years, unless we're counting the Greeks and pre-Socratics which arguably were "completed" with Christianity. many many early priests, monks, etc were steeped in Platonic thought and later neo-Platonic thought. a lot of neo-Platonism in theology.

[Anonymous No.22441005]

>>22440655
What about Kant?

[Anonymous No.22441024]

>>22441000
He already said it was Plato’s Republic which is dumb because that collection of dialogues is entirely straightforward.

[Anonymous No.22441112]

>>22441000
>>22441024
nta, but something I found interesting is this part

>>look up explanations
>>no one can agree on what the work means

can you find three different scholars that agree on a specific topic? like, each one of them explain pretty much the same thing?

[Anonymous No.22441162]

>>22440828
It takes a lifetime Anon. Try to focus more on reading philo though. Meditation existed for westerners as well, it was usually spent reading the Bible to a state of exhaustion

[Anonymous No.22442102]

>>22441005
honorary anglo, he's one of the good ones

[Anonymous No.22442109]

>>22440685
>far eastern philosophy
ping pong shii soo go into the tanks bing bong beep boop obey your master

[Anonymous No.22442131]

>>22440631
Alright OP, you go ahead and dazzle us with your own completely original system.

[Anonymous No.22442144]

>>22440655
nice feudal mercantilist monarchy you have there, would be a shame if someone LIBERALIZED IT

[Anonymous No.22442159]

Falling prey for the temptation of the pursuit of knowledge without any intended purpose behind it other than the sole motive itself is a wrong decision to make and only leads to confusion or worthless ideas made for an idle mind.

[Anonymous No.22442398]

>>22440688
It's what ML is. Brainlets think it's some kind of a magic box, but in reality it's a linear algebra monstrosity that uses shear computation power of modern hardware and stupid amounts of (self-imposed) tinkering to maybe get the right answer like 85-95% of the time, depending on how well-correlated the training set is to real data.

[Anonymous No.22442483]

>>22440689
It’s not necessary to use a commentary for The Republic. Just read it again.

[Anonymous No.22442497]

>>22442159
>the pursuit of knowledge without any intended purpose behind it
>only leads to confusion or worthless ideas
Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

[Anonymous No.22443915]

>>22440655
What if they are Italians or Spanish or Japanese?

[Anonymous No.22443987]

>>22440631
>What's the point? Why not make up your own philosophical system at that point?
What? Are you actually reading philosophical works and just taking them wholesale and copying them instead them to just diversify your knowledge by exposing yourself to ideas you didn’t know before? Are you retarded? You know your supposed to think for yourself right?