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Do you need a high IQ to become a writer?

>> No.22273602

>>22273585
Writers are in the 100-120 IQ zone. Actually smart people use short, concise and clear sentences to communicate and get their point across.

>> No.22273611

>>22273585
>>22273602
Iq is not real, stop comparing xp points you nerds
https://medium.com/incerto/iq-is-largely-a-pseudoscientific-swindle-f131c101ba39

>> No.22273614

133 checking in
I'm a loser because I'm to smart for this world.

>> No.22273617

>>22273602
Unless you're a germen philosopher. By law, you have to make your work recondite, littered with nomenclature.

>> No.22273618

>>22273585
Verbal IQ. The standard test is mostly rotating shapes and shit, and while sharper cognition can be benificial during writing process, I sincerely doubt that any 150 IQ stembug chink has a great novel in him.

>> No.22273619

>>22273614
Wow, whats your hp mana lotion? Are you a 3rd rank super elf? Bazinga excelsior!

>> No.22273623

>>22273611
Taleb is a retard. An Imbecile.

>> No.22273625

>>22273618
Verbal iq is the most g loaded. Sooooooooioko

>> No.22273627

>>22273611
>Source medium
Do you cite reddit, quota and 4chan posts as sources as well?

>> No.22273643

>>22273627
hey, don't just lump all those together.
4chan has at least some legitimacy

>> No.22273714

>>22273623
>>22273627
Quote and address 5 points he has made in the article

>> No.22273751

>>22273714
https://ideasanddata.wordpress.com/2019/01/08/nassim-taleb-on-iq/

>> No.22273779

>>22273614
136 here, success is a spook.

>> No.22273781

>>22273585
no.
t. someone with a verbal IQ of 150 (WISC-IV)

>> No.22273790

>>22273602
>Actually smart people use short, concise and clear sentences to communicate and get their point across.
Shakespeare wasn't smart?

>> No.22273797

I'm a published author who sells books and my IQ is average. Last year a major newspaper in the UK called my work "blindingly brilliant" (paraphrased slightly so as not to dox myself).

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>>22273585
Accurate?

>> No.22273801

>>22273781
Have you tried writing something of literary value?

Also list 5 favorite books pls

>> No.22273817

>>22273585
Being bipolar is step 1. Manic episodes are the culmination of all creativity.

>> No.22273821

>>22273800
outdated and wrong even what it was made

>> No.22273833
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>Without Religion There's No Art and Poetry
atheist can argue as much as they want but this remains true until the very end. Every great work of literature deals with questions about God, the soul and faith. Brothers Karamasov, Moby Dick, Ulysses, Don Quixote the list goes on and on. Name one great literature that does not have these as it's major theme. You can't!

>> No.22273842

>>22273800
Average IQ 147.

Utterly impossible.

>> No.22273850

>Lauded for my intelligence at school
>CAT tests come out high
>Do well without even studying. Good uni.
>now 31, decent paying job
>Casually take an online IQ test
>results disastrously low

Is this a thing? I'm a total dunce now.

>> No.22273854

>>22273800
/fit/ and /g/ much lower, /v/ much higher, /v/ has the cleverest shitposts

>> No.22273862

>>22273797
What's your rough IQ?

>> No.22273865

>>22273833
Is this bait?

>> No.22273893

>>22273797
My poetry has had a little acclaim (as small magazine, small press poetry goes) but I wouldn't say I was super smart. I've just read metric tons of it and been writing since I was 15.
I don't know what to make of the iq thing. If I get tested and it's high does that mean I'm good, but if its low then I suck?

>> No.22273907

>>22273801
No, I need to read more books and gain more life experience before I write something serious.
Top 5:
5. Blood Meridian
4. The Trial
3. The Clown
2. Infinite Jest
1. Lolita

>> No.22273961

>I don't know what to make of the iq thing. If I get tested and it's high does that mean I'm good, but if its low then I suck?

This writing just oozes idiocy to me. The lack of precision about what you're trying to say. The poor phrasing. The question so unstructured and uncontrolled that it renders any answer meaningless.

I think you're dumb whatever you score on an IQ test.

>> No.22273967

What would you prefer?
>low verbal, high spatial
or
>high verbal, low spatial

>> No.22273968

>>22273907
get off this board and get better taste

>> No.22273983

>>22273968
Nta but post taste

>> No.22273984

>>22273751
>[...], if we have a measure the use of which reduces our degree of predictive error by 50%, said measure is invalid according to Taleb. Taleb gives no argument justifying this standard.
What a retard, who is the author?

>> No.22273985

>>22273961
anon btfo lmao

>> No.22273986

>>22273614
social intelligence > critical intelligence

>> No.22273991

>>22273623
>>22273627
A useful metric that determines causation cannot be valid if it uses averages as a predicament, this is common sense, your iq can be completely different if you take the test in separation by only a few seconds.

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>>22273961
Well yeah dude that's great.
But I like writing poetry and people like reading it. So why should I give a fuck about some iq test, or your opinion of my intelligence?

>> No.22273996

>>22273986
I’ve only ever seen stupid people say this

>> No.22274015

>>22273986
>social intelligence
Meme like emotional intelligence, doesn't really exist.

You've got spearman's g asnd everything else is a component

>> No.22274018

I got a 146 on the Wisc as a kid.

I'm a creative genius but lazy like most "gifted people"

>> No.22274021

>>22273850
You’re probably just good at memorizing things. Thats all you really need to do well in school. Most concepts are dumbed down to hell in recent times.

>> No.22274028

Intelligence is basically the ability to take in new information and interpret it correctly.

>> No.22274034

>>22273993
Oh, no reason. You're free to disregard anything I say.

But, again, it's a stupid point. You're on an anonymous imageboard where everyone is free to disregard everything. To most people on here that's so painfully obvious that it goes without saying, otherwise every single argument would end with "why should I give a fuck about X opinion?"

But you're the only one here asking a question like that. And that's because you're markedly less intelligent than most other people here, whatever your IQ turns out to be.

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>>22273614
>to smart

>> No.22274038

>>22274021
CAT tests were high tho. Don't damage my ego any more please reeeeee

>> No.22274043

>>22274018
>creative genius

Post work

>> No.22274073

>>22274034
Your missing the point dude. The whole thread is about whether you need high iq to write.
I write, and let's take it as given that I'm dumb (no way you are mistaken).
So should I stop? Are the editors making a mistake when they accept my work? What do I do with the information you are giving me? Why are you telling me this?

>> No.22274082

>>22273602
People who say this shit are pseuds. A tiny bit of truth here perhaps but there’s too many silly assumptions that I don’t want to type out so I’m just going to call you a faggot.

>> No.22274090

Surely this depends on what you are writing and who you are writing to be read by?

>> No.22274098

>>22274073
The idiocy is like a puzzle.

>Your

>The whole thread is about whether you need high iq to write.
But our exchange began with me picking apart your clumsy writing. We've digressed. Do try and keep up.

>I write, and let's take it as given that I'm dumb (no way you are mistaken)
Okay

>So should I stop?
I don't know

> Are the editors making a mistake when they accept my work?
I don't know

>What do I do with the information you are giving me?
Feel bad about your useless diction and use that as fuel to improve.

>Why are you telling me this?
You're coming across as particularly dumb and out of your depth on this board. I'm doing you a favour.

>> No.22274102

>>22273984
Taleb.

>> No.22274115

>>22273854
>/v/ has the cleverest shitposts
In a deluge of horny posts and surface-level takes.

>> No.22274117

>>22274098
>pure bitterness and insincerity masked as constructive criticism
Many such cases around these parts

>> No.22274123

>>22274117
I'm not masking shit. I've been overtly unkind to him from the beginning.

>> No.22274151

>>22273585
You need to stop shitposting to become a good writer

>> No.22274237

>>22273614
146q here, I am not a loser, because im driven to learn new things every day.

>> No.22274245

>>22273800
/lit/ inflates its score with copying text from books.

>> No.22274343

Yes, Hp Lovecraft, for example had an IQ of 130, whereas Faulkner had an IQ of 150-160.

>> No.22274486

>>22274102
That's a nice one-liner, but also an admission to copping out, the guy you posted is a retard with no arguments ... hey! Kinda like you!

>> No.22274490

>>22273991
Iq btfo

>> No.22274493

>>22273602
Midwit post.

>> No.22274515

>>22274486
I agree that it's weak but what is the flaw in a metric that reduces the error rate by 50%, surely it indicates it is measuring something?

>> No.22274521

>>22274073
If you enjoy writing why exactly are you concerned with the opinions of others? You're already a writer, just not someone whose been published, that's all.
>>22274123
kek

>> No.22274545

>>22273800
>/tv/ 118
Ought to be in the 90s

>> No.22274551

>>22274521
>You're already a writer, just not someone whose been published, that's all.
Oops I'll have to amend this statement since you already said you were published in small magazines.

>> No.22274564

>>22273585
A drag racing car is unsuitable for off roading and an ambulance is an inadequate armored vehicle. It's not measuring spontaneous thought generation or any number of other things required for creative output. Intelligence in general - G Factor - is useful, sure.

>> No.22274575

>>22274545
Nah it should be higher, those "Guess The Movie Title" threads are quite challenging, I doubt people over at /lit/ could solve them if the theme was centered around literature (and they don't if the hint threads are taken into consideration)

>> No.22274583

>>22274515
Taleb doesn't dismiss that IQ measures something, he claims it doesnt measure what its supposed to, according to him it measures basic cognitive function, which is actually what it was designed to measure, IIRC iq tests began to check for mental retardation, and, as taleb has shown, IQ cant really show much beyond if youre retarded or not

>> No.22274584

>>22273800
Does this have a date? I feel like it was made before phoneposting took a dump on intellectual discourse.
>>22273585
Probably not, if your life experience is interesting enough, and you dictate and have an editor.

>> No.22274603

>>22273627
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=studies+on+the+inadequacies+of+iq+testing

>> No.22274615

>>22273611
If I remember right it was found that Taleb cut out entire sections of data that didn't back his position.

>> No.22274624

>>22274615
Kirkegaard collected a few of the better responses.
https://www.emilkirkegaard.com/p/replies-to-taleb

>> No.22274696

IQ might be the best metric but it's still pretty shit. Recognizing patterns is AN aspect of intelligence, but doing it in abstract [why is this person successful and not me? what can I do to change] instead of little pictures matters more.
And it hardly matters, 90 IQ good old boys can learn plumbing or electrical work and earn a great living. Within 90 IQ or even a high 80 is the potential for mastery. A simple carpenter with enough dedication can become a master joiner and far out-earn a 120 IQ NEET's miserable stipend.
What matters is time and hard work, usually in a specific area those intelligent people have options to split out more (as a consequence of grasping things faster). A master programmer AND olympic athlete doesn't earn any more than an obese master programmer.

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>>22274696
didn't proofread, whatever
i fill out captcha and hit it before it refreshes

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More:
Old boomers make the mistake of assuming everyone will work hard in life, anything else is impossible to their mindset. So in every bright young person they say "oh you'll be a millionaire" because they think picking a career is easy, instead of a nightmare of weighing potential and scrying the future.
>>[See also: personal potential trap]

>> No.22274730

>>22273585
You have to have low IQ enough to have the courage to write. I'm very high IQ, so I'm a realist; the probability of someone being published is like winning the lottery. Only idiots buy lottery tickets.

>> No.22274744

>>22273585
Read Ochse's Before the Gates of Excellence. Creative greatness requires some amount of intelligence or mental procsssing power but genius, particularly in the arts, is far more dependent on the kind of style and worldview one has cultivated over a long period than intelligence. There is a reason why writers peak in their 50s as opposed to scientists and mathematicians who do most of their work in their 20s and 30s, singe writing depends far more on crystallized intelligence, which remains stable or grows while the individual ages.

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>>22274035
b8'd
Get dunked on bitch!!!!!

>> No.22274780

>>22273850
>>22274038
Online tests aren't accurate in the slightest. I've been tested by psychiatrists at 130+ yet have gotten sub 100 on online tests in the past.

>> No.22274809

>>22274780
Bro... online iq tests are usually higher than real ones.
You been doing any drugs or alcohol since your last in person iq test?

>> No.22275966

>>22274809
IQ tests aren't higher or lower usually, they're just random.
>You been doing any drugs or alcohol since your last in person iq test?
I took three tests multiple years apart, including while doing drugs/drinking, and it stayed approximately the same (within 2-3 points each time). I stopped when I was around 16, so 4 years ago. I doubt my IQ has dropped from ~130 to 90 in that in between time.

>> No.22275974

>>22275966
>IQ tests aren't higher or lower usually, they're just random.
Sorry, *online IQ tests. Maybe they're typically a little higher but for me they've always been lower. Probably because they're just for fun. They're also very different from the tests I took in school. Online IQ tests usually rely a lot on those pattern recognition squares; irl they tested things like how many numbers you can remember in a row and repeat backwards, etc.

>> No.22276017

People who believe in IQ and treat it like power levels are retards who are desperate to lord over others.

>> No.22276028

>>22276017
t. low iq

>> No.22276212

>>22273585
fuck no, plenty of writers are stupid. Do you not read?

>> No.22276242

Is it true Tolstoy wasn't very smart?

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>>22273614
The black pill is realizing that the higher IQ you are the more likely you are to be deficient in EQ which is actually more important and effective for being not only successful but also in connecting to everyone around and making connections, and getting resources from others.

Unforunately the higher IQ you are the lower your EQ will be and the higher your EQ is the lower your IQ will be. It's possible to strengthen both of these with practice but whatever you're naturally dominant in will make inhibit your progress on the other form of intelligence. Since 1 form of intelligence doesn't make sense to the other.

>> No.22276280

>>22276264
Source?

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>>22276280
I don't have a source but it's a subject that i've read up on a lot over the years. It's also why people say ignorance is bliss and you always see the biggest retards on TV or in the music industry making fools of themselves and being paid millions.

I can say that the brain has 2 different ways of thinking. Analytical thinking and a Social way of thinking ( This is the default way of thinking for humans), While the analytical brain is in charge of thinking up equations in your head or figuring out a way out of a problem or just generally meant for thinking. The social side of the brain is just meant for expressing emotions and connecting to others and reading body language and listening to sound cues and stuff like that. Both of these can't work at the same time, It's like a see saw one will always dominate the other and they're both like muscles, the more you use one way of thinking the other atrophies. So when you are a hardcore thinker and problem solver or just generally use your brain a lot, the social side of your brain atrophies and it gets harder to connect and express yourself you basically become more robotic and mathematically in your approach to life and other people. This is why a lot of loners and cynical people are very smart because a lot of the time social activities seem pointless and stupid or they think about how very simple problems could've been avoided if the other stupid person could just control themselves. But those with social brains feel and think emotionally, They don't think at all or use too much brain power and are usually more unfilitered or readily to express themselves no matter how others may react, they generally know how to "play the game" and get what they want out of people because they understand how others work and what others need to feel safe, secure and connected too. I could go on more about this but im tired of typing and i need to get back to my studies. Hope that helps a bit, Anon.

Oh yeah, also it's generally accepted that men are more analytical thinkers while women are more emotional and social. It's all because of the parts of the brain they use and exercise, Thats why you see a lot more bitter and cynical, lonely men and happy expressive, stupid women that do a bunch of shit that men think are pointless when they actually aren't. Women just play a different game and despite not being generally as smart as men, they tend to be more successful and well off and happy then the opposite gender because emotional connections and socialization is actually more important then intelligence for success.

>> No.22276329

>>22273602
The kind of "Smart" people you describe, are actually autists who fail to communicate their intentions, and assume everyone can read into their short utterances devoid of context.

>> No.22276355

>>22276264
Define EQ. What you're just referring to is that you'll have a harder time relating to people who are less intelligent than you are, it's not some separate spectrum of ability or whatever.

>> No.22276356

>>22276264
>>22276322
I’m guessing you have autism?
I would recommend reading “The Master and His Emissary” for a different perspective on this. McGilchrist agrees with your idea that the brain has two modes of thinking, one analytical and one emotional/experiential, but disagrees with the implications of this as you see it.

>> No.22276395

>>22276355
>Define EQ
EQ is Emotional Intelligence. It's basically how well your brain is at understanding your own emotions, and being able to understand others emotions. High EQ is found in a lot of sociable people and it's the gateway to having healthy relations and connections with others.

Im not saying people who are more social and emotional are stupid, but the way they express themselves don't always seem logical. To a very smart person logic is god and should never be questioned. So to a lot of smart people the process of socializing and making connections or just bonding over little things don't always make a lot of sense to the high IQ person and they brush it off as "stupid" and they perceive a lot of high EQ people as dumb. There's a disconnect here and really shows the different between IQ and EQ, when in reality it's just a different perspective and the two forms of intelligence see different problems, and solutions that the others don't. This is why both forms of intelligence don't always see eye to eye and don't make sense to each other. This is why high EQ people are seen as "stupid" because socialization and feelings don't make sense a lot of the time and a high IQ person can easily point this out and the the high EQ person usually can't defend themselves because they aren't smart enough to do so and it's obviously not logical.
>>22276356
>I’m guessing you have autism?
Idk if i have autism, but i might. I've never read that book before, What exactly does he disagree with me about?

>> No.22276398

>>22273585
i have smarts.. big ones too

>> No.22276423

>>22276395
Your own definition immediately contradicts what you're arguing. How exactly are 100 IQ people better at understanding their own emotions? Or even other people's? Have you ever seen an otherwise dull person stop what they're doing and say "wait, that was an emotional decision, I should reconsider my actions" rather than rack up more credit card debt because they feel sad?

>> No.22276440

>>22276264
Not true. High IQ = High EQ

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>>22276423
>Your own definition immediately contradicts what you're arguing.
How?
>How exactly are 100 IQ people better at understanding their own emotions? Or even other people's?
Better at understanding their own emotions compared to who?
>Have you ever seen an otherwise dull person stop what they're doing and say "wait, that was an emotional decision, I should reconsider my actions" rather than rack up more credit card debt because they feel sad?
I don't understand what point you're trying to make here or how it relates to what i said. It almost feels like >>22276355 You were trying to bait me for a "gotcha" and now you're trying to follow up on that by disagreeing with but not really knowing how to properly come about it.

>> No.22276464

>>22276446
You don't understand what you're even posting. You literally said low IQ=high EQ, with EQ defined as:
>EQ is Emotional Intelligence. It's basically how well your brain is at understanding your own emotions, and being able to understand others emotions.
Hence the counterexample. Based on your definition of EQ, high IQ people would be incredibly impulsive and emotional in their decision-making because they have trouble understanding their own emotions, while low IQ people, better understanding how they feel, would be able to realize how their emotional state affects their actions. Which very clearly does not reflect reality.

>> No.22276499

>>22274237
based 140s poster, i was a 150s club until i rotted my brain out with chemicals...

>> No.22276501

>>22276464
>high IQ people would be incredibly impulsive and emotional in their decision-making

It depends on the decision. If whatever problem the high IQ person is facing doesn't make sense, they won't do it because they know better. If there is bigger risk then reward they likely won't take that either. It really depends on the situation in my opinion.

>because they have trouble understanding their own emotions
This is true, A lot of the time high IQ people will put their emotions aside and never really feel or understand them because a lot of the time they know their emotions can get them into trouble or come back to bite them and just logically it wouldn't be wise to just do something on an impulse.

>low IQ people, better understanding how they feel, would be able to realize how their emotional state affects their actions. Which very clearly does not reflect reality.
A high EQ person would likely make the more impulsive course of action because they KNOW thats what they want and they usually don't think it out logically, They'll do something perceived as "stupid" and do whatever makes them happier regardless of what you say. They have enough EQ to understand that the decision is what will make them feel good and satisfied in the moment but they don't usually have the logic to think it through or really care about that, they know themselves well enough to know thats what they want at that exact moment no questions asked.

>> No.22276507

>>22276499
for clarification i do not exactly regret it. had a lot of fun i can't remember

>> No.22276515

>>22276501
You seem to be constructing an elaborate coping mechanism for justifying dumb decisions as somehow being "aligned with emotions" when the people making them would be completely unable to provide the justification for their actions that is supposedly coming from some sort of heightened awareness. Somehow, punching the wall when video games make you mad is "emotionally intelligent" because that's what you want at that moment, no question asked. you're a fucking idiot

>> No.22276519

>>22273611
IQ is real, it just doesn't measure anything particularly important. It's a score you can boast about for lack of any real accomplishments.

>> No.22276548

>>22276515
>You seem to be constructing an elaborate coping mechanism for justifying dumb decisions as somehow being "aligned with emotions" when the people making them would be completely unable to provide the justification for their actions that is supposedly coming from some sort of heightened awareness.
I've already told you MANY times, High EQ correlates with an advance skills in social ability and emotional understanding of ones self and others. I've told you already there IS NO justification for a lot of the things with high EQ people do because emotions aren't logical a lot of time so they're seen as "stupid".

>>22276515
>Somehow, punching the wall when video games make you mad is "emotionally intelligent" because that's what you want at that moment,
You seem to be the one elaborating coping mechanisms now. How the fuck is punching a wall because your mad at video game any display of high EQ? That's the exact opposite because you're conducting your emotions in a way that would negatively impact those around you and make you look like a social outcast, A high EQ person would know better then to conduct themselves like this. You're having a real hard time understanding this.

>>22276515
>you're a fucking idiot
Check yourself.

>> No.22276553

>>22274744
Where can you find this for free? It’s not on Libgen and I couldn’t find it when I search for a pdf on Google.

>> No.22276569

>>22276501
>You seem to be the one elaborating coping mechanisms now. How the fuck is punching a wall because your mad at video game any display of high EQ? That's the exact opposite because you're conducting your emotions in a way that would negatively impact those around you and make you look like a social outcast, A high EQ person would know better then to conduct themselves like this. You're having a real hard time understanding this.

>A high EQ person would likely make the more impulsive course of action because they KNOW thats what they want and they usually don't think it out logically, They'll do something perceived as "stupid" and do whatever makes them happier regardless of what you say. They have enough EQ to understand that the decision is what will make them feel good and satisfied in the moment but they don't usually have the logic to think it through or really care about that, they know themselves well enough to know thats what they want at that exact moment no questions asked.
Reread exactly what you posted. You can't go a single post without actively contradicting yourself.

>> No.22276577

One function of intelligence is the ambiguation of desire. It's like Godel. No system can contain the toto. Intelligence produces systems of thinking. Always incomplete. Intelligent persons get intelligent ideas about their lives and just what it is that they are up to. And yet it is not their lives, and it is not what they are up to. The dissonance is contingent with abstraction, observe schizoids as an extreme case of bad abstraction. Abstraction and intelligence are inseparable. The smarter a person is, the greater the speculative faculty, and moreover the greater capacity to produce compelling abstractions and rhetoric in the service of just what it is that they are up to.
In this way the genius may act like a retard, and it is not surprising.

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>>22276569
>Reread exactly what you posted. You can't go a single post without actively contradicting yourself.
Except i haven't? These are 2 different examples of emotions and you lumped them up to the same thing. There are negative, anti-social way of displaying emotions and sociable healthy ways of displaying them.

Punching a wall because you're angry is obviously (not to you apparently) way of portraying and displaying your emotions in a social way, It's a sign of low EQ.

The other example i gave is vague, it can have positive implications expressed in postive ways despite being an obvious an dumb mistake and may not be logical.

The fact that you lump both of these kinds of examples together like they're the same thing really shows how emotionally retarded you are. You're need to rationalize the irrational and logically find answers in an autistic way of thinking while being so oblivious and blind to the concepts of differing emotions really says a lot about you.

>> No.22276665

i have 80 million power in War of Kingdoms, suck on that faggot

>> No.22276709

>>22273585
Yes. Every writer you admire (if you have any taste) has or had a high IQ. Even if you don't take IQ to be an accurate metric (we could then accurately class you as having a low one), even a cursory look at the accomplished writer's routine, background, and process would show that they functioned at a level beyond the average person. Too much of what writing is requires creativity, an almost super-human attention to detail, and the ability to break down complex patterns. The writers I've worked with who've truly "had it" were all autistic, hypercritical, and gifted across the board. The others were relatively normal and just okay at writing.

>> No.22276757

>>22273986
Translated - it is better to known for not being embarrassing than it is for being known for being intelligent.

>> No.22277141

>>22274624
>>22273611
https://archive.is/WOse2

>> No.22277158

>>22273602
Actual retard or baiting retard who dosent understand art

>> No.22277207

>>22276264
EQ is a meme and you should go kill yourself. With that being said, you're right about networking skills being highly effective.

>> No.22277211

>>22273800
Memes rarely are accurate

>> No.22277272

IQ is to /lit/ and /sci/ what being 6 foot is to /r9k/ or /fit/
Something arbitrary you have no control over which you can attribute your success or failure to, despite the examples all around you of people succeeding despite lacking this supposedly crucial thing.
Same blackpill incel circular logic to justify your own laziness and cowardice
Who are you going to believe? Memes or your own lying eyes?

>> No.22277297

>>22277272
intelligence is just one more behavioural trait.

The problem with intelligence is that it has 60-80% heritability and is normally distributed. It is the intrinsic flaw that leftism flat out ignores by claiming in fact the opposite that any difference in out come is a result of active discrimination.
They literally look at the differences in achievments between two people or groups and conclude that the reason one does better than the other is due to discrimination.

This same ideology has led to multiple genocides.
Why don't the left want to accept human biological diversity? The leaders must be fully aware the only explanation I see is that it is cruel and cynical attempt to rally those with lower natural ability to destroy those with higher ability for the personal profit of a competing group who want to be in power.

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>>22277297

>> No.22277303

>>22277272
Both /lit/ and /r9k/ are correct in their own domains. You can use as many internet buzzwords as you want, they're both correct. You can verify that with your own eyes, or take "advice" from therapists who will sell you sweet lies just so you don't kill yourself. Really up to you whether you want to know the truth or not.

>> No.22277308

>>22277272
How many short and stupid guys do you know that are successful? I know 0, that's what my eyes tell me. How about you? Clearly you can present me with lots of examples to prove it wrong.

>> No.22277311

Hey guys. My IQ is 105. What am i good for?

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>>22277308
>5'9
>dumb as rocks

>> No.22277358

>>22277308
>How many short and stupid guys do you know that are successful?
Tom Cruise is 5'7"

>> No.22277359

>>22277358
>A male prostitute
Great example.

>> No.22277407

>>22277329
5'9 is the average height in his country, so not short

>> No.22277468

I've 139 spatial IQ and i write screenplays, I think better in pictures and prefer the succinct approach to storytelling.

>> No.22277560

>>22277308
Don't forget weak and ugly.
Beauty can compensate so can physical fitness

>> No.22277608

>>22273585
>muh IQ meme

>> No.22278881

>>22273800
I've seen more intelligent posts on /mlp/ than here

>> No.22279438

>>22273800
I'm an /ic/ veteran and spent 6 years in there. 128 is too high desu, should be around 100 - 115

That board is corrupted with redundant /beg/let posts and AI doomposting.

>> No.22279452

>>22278881
dead meme

>> No.22279572

Athenians had IQ averages equivalent to today's 115-125.
Figure it out.

>> No.22279588

>>22279572
Did they though?
Play Doh thought the chair you are sitting on had a perfect blueprint in another dimension.

>> No.22279613

>>22279588
Yes it has been calculated by an English polymath that more or less came up with the precursors to IQ tests.

>> No.22279712

>>22277158
"smart" is reserved for hard sciences. You can be a great artist while also being a retard.

>> No.22279808

>>22279712
Don't use the r-slur.

>> No.22279866

>>22279808
New to 4Chan?

>> No.22279972

>>22279808
Retard.

>> No.22280490

>>22279452
It's not a meme, I'm just a horsefucker

>> No.22280499

>>22273585
/lit/ is filled anons who think they’re smart. Some are, most aren’t. Many have chips on their shoulders

>> No.22280502

>>22273800
My most used boards in descending order are /lit/, /mlp/, /wg/, and /jp/. Am I just a midwit?

>> No.22280509

>>22273585
idk I took an online iq test once and tested 110 or 112 I can't remember so most likely I'm a below average midwit

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>>22280502
>/mlp/, /wg/, and /jp/.

>> No.22280602

>>22276329
Nigger you are obsessed with proving that you are smart, if you can't answer with a yes or no, you are a midwit. I hate you prideful retards, you make everyone who does reaserch look like pretentious douchebags, all your doing is trying to compensate for your dreaded online iq test.

>> No.22280612

>>22279588
>Play Doh thought the chair you are sitting on had a perfect blueprint in another dimension.
Illiterate philistine

>> No.22280734

>>22280591
>an actual frogposter
dont make me laugh

>> No.22280946

>>22280612
not an argument

>> No.22282278

>>22273585
How low an IQ do you need to want to become a writer?

>> No.22283310

>>22280734
frog website

>> No.22283314

>>22276264
This is easily debunkable by the fact that there are both smart and dumb “high EQ” people.
Also you’re kinda low EQ by thinking this

>> No.22283352

EQ is fake and is based on bad science. IQ is kinda real but the idea that there are different 'kinds' of IQ is fake and based on bad science, and also IQ can only really tell if you're roughly normal, retarded, or smart guy. It can't actually reliably tell how much of a retard or smart guy you are, only that you are or are not one.

>> No.22284902

>>22283352
Are iqs directly transferable between genetically distinct populations?

>> No.22284931

>>22276264
Both my iq and eq are extremely low, deboonked.

>> No.22285544

>>22273611
>Incelto
lol

>> No.22285627

>>22273790
It was necessary because laconic drama wouldn't be as engaging

>> No.22285657

>>22273614
130 IQ, after weed and alcohol in college, probably 120

>> No.22285779

>>22273585
These online IQ tests suck, I'm a jobless retard and I got 143

>> No.22286143

Women write books.

>> No.22286186

>>22286143
Anyone can write a book if their editor is good enough.

>> No.22286190

>>22286186
Literally this, they can make miracles.

>> No.22286207

>>22284902
Assuming you mean comparable and not transferable. More or less, and again to the extent that IQ is only really usable for identifying retards or smart guys.

IMO the number of retards and smart guys in a given population has less to do (directly) with genetics and more to do with diet. The big genetic link is melanin fucks with your body's sunlight response which in turn fucks with how much nutrients you can get out of your food.

>> No.22286216

>>22286207
>The big genetic link is melanin fucks with your body's sunlight response which in turn fucks with how much nutrients you can get out of your food.
So what you're saying is that a black guy in nairobi is smarter than if he moves to oslo?

>> No.22286224

>>22286216
Than if he was born in Oslo, yeah, assuming that in Nairobi he was also able to get a good diet. He'd be more educated in the north but his brain structurally would have suffered from a childhood growing up without being able to get the vitamins he needed.

If he moved to Oslo as an adult the structural problems wouldn't be as bad since his brain was already grown, but he'd have mood swings, depression, etc, unless he took steps to use a sunlamp and take vitamin pills.

>> No.22286227

>>22286207
This is a revolutionary concept we must immediately deport all dark skinned people out of europe and north america to much more compatible sunlight regions. IT is the only humane thing to do.

>> No.22286232

>>22286227
Unironically, this or at least get them a sunlamp and vitamins. Or better yet work out ways to control melanin expression so that people can tailor their skin tone to their latitude by taking a pill or something.

>> No.22287617

>>22273611
>>22276519
For predicting a whole slew of life outcomes (income, health, educational attainment, performance on any cognitive task etc.), IQ as a proxy for cognitive ability is the single best measure that we have (excluding auto correlations for single outcomes). Socio-economic status for example almost loses all of its predictive power once you control for ability. Taleb is a retard.
I recommend actually reading up on the topic, i.e. reading actual research papers instead of blog posts from retards before making ignorant statements like this.

>> No.22287821

>>22273585
>We capable n sheeit

>> No.22287866

>>22287617
Then why come my iq is high but im a failure ??? Fuck hou,!!

>> No.22288506

>>22273850
sorry anon , high IQ people are either millionaires or homeless no in between

>> No.22288519

>>22273585
No, look at James Patterson, Rupi Kuar etc... just like with everything in the arts, you need incredible luck.

>> No.22289795

>>22288506
What's the difference, dress code?

>> No.22290634

What a retarded and time wasting question. My iq is 138 and I tested 99 percentile on English 6 years in a row and I am unironically the worst writer on this board

>> No.22290720

>>22273585
No, you just need to know how to spell. You need a high iq to be a good writer.

>> No.22291075

>>22274015
It's a meme because what's emotional intelligence? Being able to see if someone's bad news or not, converse, and negotiate. That's 99% of what being emotionally smart is, being able to read, talk and negotiate. And in this day and age you only need C level emotional intelligence to do this.

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>>22273800
>/wg/ is that high
Based, I don't give a shit about ricing/theming on anything EXCEPT wallpapers. But I don't know if my collection counts, cause my wallpapers are cancer

>> No.22291087

>>22280734
There's a difference between posting the same 2/3 pepes and posting a pepe that's actually something different.

>> No.22291093

>>22287617
Wet paper, the concept of intelligence is pseudoscientific because it represents an axiom unconnected to any non-speculative cognitive theory, no matter how much research is done it is pure mind games, until there is no consensus on the Hard Problem, talking about intelligence is nothing more than erudition.

>> No.22291105

IQ is just a source of fatalist thinking within people. Even if we have exact IQ measurements of every human being, unless we can use it to enact something, it's just information about yourself, that isn't ACTIONABLE. Humans didn't develop pattern recognition, cogitation, or tool usage so we can figure out how good we are at using these tools. We developed it for our lives, to wage war and to make food.
So unless we enact some eugenics/red flag program with IQ, this is at best triva fact, and at worst, leads to you becoming depressed. Look at all the high IQ people here saying they're losers and sad.
>t. 120 midwit who can't into the reading/vocab part of IQ

>> No.22291873

>>22291093
>until there is no consensus on the Hard Problem
what?

>> No.22291976

>>22273585
You just need to write something interesting, and be good at it. IQ is a measuring of your pattern recognition ability, which can help you learn new stuff. Do you think it will help you ? Make your own opinions

>> No.22291981

>>22291976
Isn't there that intelligence test that correlates with creativity?
Like the ones where you have to come up with distinct words?

>> No.22291987

>>22273614
80 cheking in. life is good fellas!

>> No.22292035

>>22273800
In ranking, yes, just deduct ~30 from all boards to account for selection bias and inaccurate testing.

>> No.22292038

>>22292035
>/co/ has an IQ of 59
seems generous

>> No.22292186

>>22291873
IQ goes down when you get hard (lack of blood flow to the brain)

>> No.22292263

What effects does IQ have on a language?
If we have two populations with an average IQ difference of 30. they initially share a language but because of geographical isolation are separated without contact for 2000 years.
What would happen to their words and linguistic structure?

>> No.22292800

>>22273585
>barely make it to high intelligence with 122IQ
phew

>> No.22293715

>>22273611
already BTFO by steve sailer
https://www.takimag.com/article/negotiating-the-curve/

>> No.22294642

>>22273585
No

>>22273611
Taleb just says this because he's upset that Lebanese score poorly on IQ tests. If Lebs lead the world in IQ he would write about how IQ is Lindy.

>> No.22295017

>>22274034
reddit nigger gamma venting on some "retard" to raise his own status, good job, you realy showed him.

>> No.22295819

>>22294642
Lebanese christians are higher IQ than other lebanese groups from what I remember. It's common in a few muslim dominated countries

>> No.22296947

>>22291093
Predictive validity is the basis for scientific inquiry, which is why the "hard" sciences like physics and the like have thrived while philosophy hasn't produced anything of value, ever. Psychometrics and IQ as a proxy for cognitive ability or intelligence is as close as psychology will ever get to the hard sciences, because it actually has predictive power, and that predictive power still exists even if mentally challenged people like you go "but we don't even know what consciousness is blablabla", as if that is even a relevant question.

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>>22276264
>>22276322
>>22276395

EQ is positively correlated to IQ. EQ was created as a cope for minorities, blacks and other stupid fucks who could take comfort in the fact that this number was higher than the other number.

The plain truth of the matter is that if you are a high IQ individual you fucked up, you were lazy in school, you did the bare minimum to get by and were overlooked because of your own actions. When the teachers said you had potential, they really meant it, but you did not care enough. Perhaps you got in to video games, or comics, or tabletop games, either way I'm sure you can recite whole books full of useless lore and statistics about games. These skills you wasted here were supposed to be applied to achievement in the world we all inhabit, you neglected to do that and now you have nothing to show for your high intelligence except the gradually realization that this precious resource you had from birth was wasted, and even now is slipping through your fingers and there is nothing you can do about it, it is too late.

You wasted the best and most useful resource available to you.

>> No.22296971 [DELETED] 

>>22273585
a little bit smarter than your audience is ideal

>> No.22297010

>>22273585
I have a PhD in pure maths but I quite being a lecturer to become a novelist
in my case, ive found being intelligent very helpful
that being said, it depends what type of stuff you're writing. some styles/genres of literature it's less important

>> No.22297225

>>22274696
>Tell me you've never held a manual labor job in your life without saying it

Motherfucker, I've worked in a painting contactor company for two years straight and it is fucking miserable. Forget the backbreaking labor and sweltering summer heat, the amount of retards and outright horrible people you have to work with to find anyone halfway decent at their job is staggering.
You want to know why people with degrees are willing to take less pay than a carpenter? Because, at least with a programmer job, you don't end up being a cripple in your fucking 50s and you have health insurance guaranteed for almost every job you apply for.
You think trade jobs are so great? Go do them. Me? I'll take a job that doesn't come with the risk of getting killed if I hit a wire by accident or come home everyday exhausted, filthy, and in pain.

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>>22274696
>d it hardly matters, 90 IQ good old boys can learn plumbing or electrical work and earn a great living. Within 90 IQ or even a high 80 is the potential for mastery. A simple carpenter with enough dedication can become a master joiner and far out-earn a 120 IQ NEET's miserable stipend.

This is utterly untrue. An 80 IQ electritian will burn down your house, an 90 IQ plumber will flood it. These tradesmen, despite their humble speech and mannerisms are above the average IQ and will typically be around 110.

Fun fact thought, obesity is positively correlated with low IQ.

>> No.22297276

>>22296968
This is all true.

>> No.22297289

>>22297273
Ever heard the theory that the most important number for a society to function is the proportion of the population with a high enough iq to be trainable in complex tasks?

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>>22297289
I have not, no. But it makes good sense, they are the most in demand people at all levels of society. Working in oil and gas, one of the most difficult aspects of my job is watching somebody try to perform what I assume is a routine task and watch them stumble, fall and at times nearly kill themselves. It is gradually dawning on me that people are not as capable as they think. Problem solving is no longer uncommon but rare in the general population.

>> No.22297339

>>22297320
The figure I saw reference was from a paper around 30 years ago and they put it around 106 IQ for someone to have sufficiently high enough mental abilities to be capable of these tasks.

Of course we're stuck trying to work out what this amounts to in the current society. Given the dysgenic decline of IQ over the past century I'm of the opinion that during the victorian era over half the UK population had this threshold skill level.

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>>22297339
The native population of Britain are not dysgenic, any more than the rest of the Europe though they may at times look it. What they have is a growing piece of non-native low-IQ Africans, Arabs and Asians who are increasingly inhabiting important positions in society, thus unintentionally sabotaging the supporting infrastructure from within.

>> No.22297374

>>22297349
The native population has declined irrespective of the impact of racial aliens. We rose in average IQ between the 14th and late 19th century based on proxy records for cognitive ability such as criminality and innovation.

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>>22297374
The reason why all of Europe is declining is the presence of minorities as teachers, as healthcare providers and all manner of things that can help or harm development. These have an adverse affect on the greater national body, it may not be noticeable in the minor engagements but over time these things compound and grow to more damaging than the sum of their parts. This goes double for Government.

>> No.22297436

>>22297391
No, you misunderstand me, I'm fully aware of the effect of alien groups.
If they weren't in the picture our lives would certainly be better, but there has been an inherent decline in the native population's capability.

>> No.22297481

>>22274115
yes /v/ singlehandedly destroyed any semblence of faith I had in gaymers or that medium

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>>22297436
There has not, in the dysgenic sense. It has in the sense that national IQ levels are dropping because substandard people are being included within the measurement. They are taking up places in educational institutions, they are taking the place of teachers and educators. The Flynn Effect can still continue in Europeans but it needs to be supported with suitable education, diet and a robust culture of intellectual inquiry.

>> No.22297636

>>22297603
>The Flynn Effect
you mean the flynn effect that only correlates with the least G-loaded components of iq tests? Meaning the effect masks genetic declines in IQ due to factors like better nutrition, or more familiarity with abstract reading tasks?

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>>22297636
The lower g-loaded components of a tests were there to ameliorate the terrible results of minority groups. In greater, more accurate testing methodology the Flynn affect is still able to perform as it has done for previous generations. Sadly many states have made testing illegal for black and minority students.

>> No.22297875

>>22297668
Look anon no offence but you're wrong about the flynn effect, I don't know why you're clinging to this so hard.

>> No.22297881

>>22297668
Your crush fucked a black guy

>> No.22297937

>>22277207
EQ is as much of a meme as IQ is. These are just two categorizations we've created for measuring certain mental abilities.

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>>22297937
No. There is only one category used to measure mental abilities and that is IQ. EQ is largely useless, the emotional stability aspect of it is pegged positively to IQ, meaning a high IQ translates to an equally high EQ. The rest is just personality traits which is not a ranked or data set is therefore useless.

>> No.22298037

>>22298028
>There is only one category used to measure mental abilities and that is IQ
What do you regard empathy then, and do you dismiss the possibility of someone with high IQ and low empathy?

>> No.22298044

>>22298037
That’s the autist combo.

>> No.22298057

>>22273585
>Do you need a high IQ to become a writer?
Fairly sure the WAIS has writing a great novel as an example outcome of high IQ

>> No.22298103

>>22276264
Retard alert, EQ is a meme that doesn’t exist and is inseparable from IQ. The only reason why many very high IQ people are social retards is that they have disproportionate levels of autism or other such things. Also their high intelligence hinders their ability to communicate and develop social skills with peers because they are simply too intelligent for them and have different interests. I’ve only ever seen below average IQ people spout the EQ meme

>> No.22298120

>>22298037
>What do you regard empathy then, and do you dismiss the possibility of someone with high IQ and low empathy?

A personality trait that often pairs with agreeableness, which is one of the big 5. As i said EQ is not a ranked score. Because you are high in one one trait does not make you greater or lesser than another person. IQ does, it is ranked can be shown to positively track with all manner of life experiences.

>> No.22298130

>>22298120
>As i said EQ is not a ranked score.
Is it that empathy has no score, or we simply lack the comprehension or tools to score it? Because let's face it, we can visibly notice different gradations in empathy between people. At least I can.

>> No.22298165

>>22296947
>predictive power is why science succeeds and advances
>philosophy doesn't do anything because it doesn't make graphs go up
Low IQ belief.
Ptolemaic astronomy still has predictive power. Astrology actually has some degree of predictive power. Premodern medicine had predictive power. It has nothing to do with advancing knowledge, it's just one form of evidence that a model may be theoretically robust, and usually in its own level of description.

>> No.22298196

>>22273585
When I was 16 (2013) our whole class was tested, I was drowsy and fell asleep during the test, I scored 119.
This past year I took a variety of free Online tests (12 in all) and I got 121 - 137 in all of them.

I would say my IQ falls in 120 - 123 range. Is this enough? Sometimes when I read I had to run back twice or thrice when it's dealing with complex concepts.

I'm not white btw, I honestly think race has something to do with it because even at this range I still feel like I'm surrounded by idiots.

>> No.22298252

>>22298196
There's different varieties of IQ tests. Language ability can play a role, because there's a correlation between vocabulary and IQ. Incidentally, this is why I think IQ is a lot of fiddling with graphs and correlations, just like most social sciences. There is no fundamental link between it and higher theories on cognition. It measures itself.
But, that means there's other types of tests you can take. I recommend Raven's Progressive Matrices, but you'll probably have to pay for the results. It should give an estimate of your IQ range. If it's very high but not perfect (let's say you miss a couple of questions), you're probably far higher in IQ than the estimate, much higher than the majority of people. It doesn't do so good at measuring very high IQ people. But if it's middling to high, it's likely accurate. Even for this test, I think just knowing what it is your looking at, in terms of completing patterns, will make a difference in your performance. This is why IQ is not so reliable. You can be coached to get a very high score on IQ tests. Psychometrists will say, "oh, but it only counts if you don't do that!" What other science has such a dumb presupposition?

>> No.22298344

>>22273585
this thread perfectly describes what is wrong with this community. You are all a bunch of morons and should start accepting that you are the average joe or even below

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>>22298252
I do fairly well on those matrix tests where you have to guess the next figure in a box. My mental arithmetic suffers incredibly though, and my vocabulary is less than satisfactory. Picrel is a result from one of those free online tests, it was the 2nd and most unique test I took so i'd put a fair amount of weight in this result compared to other free tests, but still far from official.

>It doesn't do so good at measuring very high IQ people. But if it's middling to high, it's likely accurate.
Yeah I've read about this often, it works well for the average/above-average people like me.

>"oh, but it only counts if you don't do that!"
It does make sense because by then your answers are far from natural, you studied for it, in fact only the first-time test results are reliable. But yeah, I think I get what you're meaning to say.

>> No.22298379

>>22298344
>should start accepting that you are the average joe or even below
I for one do accept that, I'm just curious about what I'm missing out and what could I have been capable of if only I was 1 standard deviation smarter than my original score.

>> No.22298383

>>22273585
Late to the thread. No, you need persistence.

>> No.22298887

>>22279808
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>> No.22298892

>>22273585
No, because Mark Fisher wrote many books

>> No.22299987

>>22273585
Would you prefer to read a book written by someone without a high IQ?

>> No.22300165

>>22273602
I'm so sick of picking up a "philosopher" who needlessly uses obscure synonyms of every day words and never gets to the point

>> No.22300175

>>22273585
8383You need to constantly read, constantly write and be persistent like >>22298383
said, every successful writer will tell you this.

>> No.22300190

>>22274082
>buttblasted "philosopher"