/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.22223229]

What are books/ways to cope with living in a capitalist society? How do you find freedom?
Conventional advice says the path to success is to get good grades in school, get a degree, and land a career where you can climb your way to the top over decades comfortably retire.
At best, this approach will lead you to a life of mediocrity. At worst, a lifetime of misery.

[Anonymous No.22223245]

>>22223229
You don't live in a capitalist society nigga
Capitalism hasn't been pratcticed anywhere on this rock ever since Roosevelt ended the gold standard

[Anonymous No.22223249]

>>22223245
well in whatever you would call what we have in the West (USA especially)

[Anonymous No.22223287]

>>22223249
A mixed economy abomination, resulting from an unholy cross between capitalism and socialism

Basically you just have to keep the following things in mind
If you have to pay a significant amount of your earnings to the taxman (+10%), if the market you operate in has regulations out of the ass that make it a nightmare to create and innovate a business, if the state directly intervenes to save or even benefit a specific enterprise (worse is if the state keeps other ventures down to mantain select ventures at the top).
Then you don't live in a capitalistic society

[Anonymous No.22223303]

>>22223287
>t. laissez-faire chud

[Anonymous No.22223316]

>>22223303
YWNBAW, stinky tranny.

[Anonymous No.22223321]

>>22223287
But don't all capitalistic societies just devolve into those things?

[Anonymous No.22223383]

>>22223321
There's not been enough capitalist societies in history for that to be a certain conclusion
You could make it an argument for it, but it would be sketchy
Imo this happened to western capitalist economies because: 1) no gold standard, led to a in rise power of central banks; 2) goverments started directly intervening in the affairs of companies (a big example of then this began occurring, was what happened to Carnegie's US Steel at the turn of the last century); 3) WW1, WW2 and Cold War, these 3 events just mind fucked the entire globe in such a way that 100 years from now we will still be discovering their nuanced impact

[Anonymous No.22223387]

>>22223287
It’s called an oligarchy.

[Anonymous No.22223412]

>>22223383
I'm not a leftist but it does sound like a cope in the same way communists/socialists make excuses.
Maybe the capitalist mode is too susceptible to being 'corrupted' by big money buying influence and acting immoral.

[Anonymous No.22223466]

>>22223412
Mega corporate entities of today like the Disney and BlackRock are only possible in this sort of economic model
Pre-1900, they would've collpased under their massive bloated weigth
And State Interventionism could've been prevented if there were actual laws against it

[Anonymous No.22223488]

>>22223466
But why would politicians make or uphold those laws if they can just take money from these huge corporations?
And what stops a Blackrock in a capitalist system? From what I know they invest other peoples money and do so very successfully. They then decide to uphold some SDG standard which you have to abide by to receive investment. What is stopping them in a capitalist system?

[Anonymous No.22223509]

>>22223229
>capitalist society
Nobody owes you anything. You either produce value for the society by contributing and get paid, or you beg on the streets or hunt. If you’re not working and not producing anything for society, why should society provide for you? You would just be leeching off the hard work of other people in that case. Some other poor sod (or a bunch of them) would be working, sweating just to support YOU.
Yes labour is a curse. It says as much in the Bible. But that’s life. Man up and get on with it.

[Anonymous No.22223526]

>>22223488
>>22223488
>But why would politicians make or uphold those laws
For the same reason most laws are made
They are seem as necessary to prevent bad things and/or lead society to greatness
>And what stops a Blackrock in a capitalist system?
For one it would be very difficult for one entity too because that expansive in a system that rewards agility and innovation
Two, as you can see from what's happening to the lastest Indiana Jones movie, that ESG shit doesn't sell, no matter how much they push

[Anonymous No.22223582]

>>22223526
Then why don't the politicians make and uphold those laws now?
Did they get corrupted by big business?
And as far as I know no one is stopping you from beginning an investment firm that isn't ESG aligned. What's stopping people? Why do movies like Black Panther still make a killing? Little Mermaid still made a profit on a 250 million budget.

I'm not convinced that the answer to the current situation is capitalism since you don't seem to be able to prove that it would solve any tangible issue.

[Anonymous No.22223615]

>>22223229
>fucks children
Not you OP, Bukowski

[Anonymous No.22223640]

>>22223509
>Nobody owes you anything
nobody owes society anything, Mike.

>You either produce value for the society by contributing and get paid, or you beg on the streets or hunt.
here are some counterpoints: subsidies, welfare leeches (veterans, niggers, elon musk), prostitutes, anyone who works in the financial sector, gamblers, et cetera.

[Anonymous No.22223850]

>>22223229
>leap out of bed, dress, shit, piss, brush teeth and hair
only a retard would say any of these are issues
>force-feed
force-feed my ass, I'm hungry in the morning
>alarm clock for 6:30
sunrise wakes me up around that time most days anyway, then if not earlier
>fight traffic
I telework, and even when I don't it's not an issue since I don't live in an urban hellhole
>get to a place where poopoo peepee and were asked to be grateful for the opportunity to do so
I'm not asked to be grateful, I get a paycheck, that's why I do this part. And also employee benefits

[Anonymous No.22223935]

>>22223582
>I'm not convinced that the answer to the current situation is capitalism
I though we were discussing if the degeneration of capitalism always leads to the present order of business, not how we can unfuck ourselves from this mess...

[Anonymous No.22224025]

>>22223229
ITT op elaborates on how being buried alive in a shitty post office doing the same brain dead tasks over and over again , while shitting pants day in and day out out of fear of being laid off of this menial and barely qualified job, and hammering oneself every evening with the cheapest wine you can get so you can close your eyes on the misery of your life, how aforementioned is a better alternative to cruising to your highly paid job in a comfy car, having a physical and mental hygene , structured daily routine and work culture, colleagues that are emotionally and intellectually on the par with you.

[Anonymous No.22224027]

>>22223229
Freedumb is the last thing you humans need more of.

[Anonymous No.22224128]

>>22224027
>>22223509

[Anonymous No.22224154]

>>22223229
This fucking faggot worked at a post office, literal easymode unionized government job where they pay you $30 an hour to sit at a desk and can't fire you even if you're a fuckup
Imagine being such a whiner you can't even handle welfare with extra steps

[Anonymous No.22224155]

>>22223509
>Nobody owes you anything.
I don't care. I still want to kick my faggot ass boss in the nuts.

[Anonymous No.22224159]

>>22223229
>a central bank run by aliens paying black people to protest is a "capitalist society"

[Anonymous No.22224179]

>>22223249
I'd just call it some kind of globalist-feudalism. The serfs are ruled by a class of lords who own land, live in big houses and tax their serfs for existing. One particular member from the regions wealthy political families will be #1 in the power structure and they tell everyone including the lord's what to do. Some of these ruling political families are still literally the same as in ancient times, like in England, or some new ones like the Bushes and Clintons.
The only difference between now and the 1600s is that now lords don't directly own their serfs, but rather kind of communally free range them across the globe. The masses are allowed to travel and move as they please because the land owning class knows that someone will always have to pay them half of their monthly salary for nothing just to stay on their land, because everyone needs a roof over their head.

[Anonymous No.22224213]

>>22223935
Well you can't point to a capitalism that didn't, so what does that say?

[Anonymous No.22224232]

>>22223229
There are no books, the only way is to become homeless and even then you will have find a place every night, beg and rummage through bins for food, like a modern day Diogenes. Freedom doesn't mean life will be easy or free from hardship, but you will be free as long as you are not afraid of dying and have no desire for objects or wealth,

[Anonymous No.22224251]

>>22224159
Is the notion that capitalists also enact non-economic policies to ensure continued consoomption of their trash foreign to you?

[Anonymous No.22224269]

op, bukowski worked for the government. capitalism has nothing to do with his job. they didn't have mail in the soviet union? is this a troll? god this site is a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.22224274]

>>22223509
>Yes messa, thems dirty field niggas just isn't working hard enough massa. If they wasn't such ignorant niggas they'd be sitting on the porch drinking mint jubilee too massa. They just needs to man up and work harder yessuh.

[Anonymous No.22224391]

>"but it wasn't REAL (capitalism, socialism, communism)!!"
lol utopianism

[Anonymous No.22224409]

>>22223850
Its an out of context quote of a character from one of his books. Bukosky didn't actually believe this shit

[Anonymous No.22224414]

>>22224269
Ignore the picture, just something random I picked

[Anonymous No.22224456]

>>22223287
Blah blah blah
Life still sucks for the proles and your libertarian wet dream wouldn't make it any better

[Anonymous No.22224470]

>>22223249
It's called corporatism. The corporations serve the state and the state serves the corporations. They protect each others back, fucking over anyone who isn't in their unholy amalgam is just collateral that they don't care about.

A free market requires no barriers to entry to the market (aside of those physical ones, like space, manpower and so on). Meanwhile in our current market you need at least an expensive license to get into anything. In others every new product you make needs to be approved by the state. And a few are outright illegal meaning only the shadiest of characters deal in them. Don't even get me started on patent and IP laws.

[Anonymous No.22224532]

>>22224456
I don't about you, but lower taxes would make my life considerably easier

[Anonymous No.22224588]

>>22224470
capitalism will always trend towards corporatism just as socialism always trends towards state control.
low/no state presence can only happen in small countries.
this has nothing to do with efficiency but the bureaucracy needed to support larger nations.

[Anonymous No.22224760]

>>22224532
>roads are shit, car keeps breaking down
>niggers can't be controlled by the cops anymore
>I live like a migrant, since open borders keeps the labor market on third world salary levels
>no courts will hear a case for workplace accidents or safety. "You have to put your safety standards on your contract, otherwise it's not our jurisdiction". Good luck on your negotiation.
>can't hire a lawyer, no public defendants.
>civil liberties mean nothing if I can't access effective legal remedy.
>cops end up arresting me for not paying up their fees. No way out of jail.
>no public schools. Kids go uneducated.
>yoghurt manufacturer laces product with fentanyl to drive sales. No regulation, the free market will take care of it.
>Apple car breaks down. I can't fix it or they'll send goons to take it back. "It's on the contract". Every other manufacturer follow suit.
>can't pay the national defense fees (not a tax, I swear, so my eldest son will be forcibly conscripted to protect israeli interests.
>cameras and sensors everywhere, trace all mt steps. It's cool because it's private companies.

At least I don't have to pay taxes.

[Anonymous No.22224789]

>>22223412
It is and Chicago school type economics fans will never realise it despite criticising marxists for it.
At best capitalism requires an absolute monarchy, democracy and republicanism is wide open for corruption. But even then it’s too easy to buy influence.

[Anonymous No.22224848]

>>22223229
>implying that communism would be better when it came to "waking up early to make someone else money"

[Anonymous No.22225046]

>>22224456
>libertarian wet dream

we would settle for a currency that has a positive instead of a negative value but the vatican would send muslims to regime change us

[Anonymous No.22225082]

>>22223229
Here’s your ACTUAL answer:
https://dl.kohanfx.com/pdf/the-candlestick-trading-bible-(KohanFx.com).pdf
Forex trading can be easily more risky than conventional trading but if you learn your shit correctly you’ll make more money than at your actual job.
It’s not get rich quick like crypto or trading stocks, it’s the actual thing that can make you money. It takes a few months just to learn what you’re doing and familiarize yourself with the charts and patterns and shit. After that you do sim trading for a week or two then do live trading with $500-$1k starting off.
It won’t be easy but considering you post on /lit/ you’re likely already smarter than my brother who introduced me to all this who is a tradie dumbass and somehow made it work. He was literally sent to sped school and pumped full of pharmaceuticals yet was able to learn.
I’m in the learning phase myself but I can already confirm it’s not bullshit in the way you might already think it is.
Fortunately I have the time to learn it so if you’re wageslaving it will be hard to dedicate yourself but it does work.
The point at which you’re making an actual living off of it can be anywhere from 1 year to 3 or more, depends on how much you can dedicate and how easily you learn.
It might seem stressful because it’s ultimately gambling but you’re basically playing a probabilistic game, as long as you have a certain win % you’ll be taking home enough at the end.
Retards lose their money because they don’t learn anything and end up getting shut out because it’s different than conventional trading.
If you need me to say more I can

[Anonymous No.22225093]

>>22225082
Best course to learn what’s going on is babypips also, it’s less strategy based but still is recommended. https://volatility.red/Forex is a good wiki page as well as https://old.reddit.com/r/Forex/wiki/index

[Anonymous No.22225114]

>>22223229
>How do you find freedom?

By earning money.

[Anonymous No.22225123]

>>22225082
how many hours a day do you spend on this? I'd probably be better off just getting another job since I work in STEM. Then just buying crypto during bear markets, selling during bulls. I know numerous people irl that "made it" just doing that across 2-3 bull runs (roughly a decade)

[Anonymous No.22225176]

>>22223229
Whatever you do, don't go into debt. Stay with your parents and save money if you have to.
I don't know about the other stuff.

[Anonymous No.22225259]

>>22225046
You mean a deflationary currency? That's bad for business.

[Anonymous No.22225267]

>>22223287
>if the market you operate in has regulations out of the ass that make it a nightmare to create and innovate a business

[Anonymous No.22225270]

>>22225082
Say more

[Anonymous No.22225286]

>>22225082
Why would you ever promote this?
Any type of day trading (forex, stocks, crypto etc.) is a scam. You'll never be successful trading forex. You're not a country or a financial institution that can move around billions of dollars.
The only ones making money are the brokers who get fees from traders and the gurus who sell courses.
https://youtu.be/9-_EN6gCp4U?t=113

[Anonymous No.22225303]

>>22223229
>How do you find freedom?
change your values, or keep believing that bullshit of 'you are free to be the best version of yourself' and "prooduce more and optimize" you will end up burning yourself for a company
or in front of screens panicking because some bullshit internet coin or stock crashed.
there is no "freedom" in a capitalist society anyways

[Anonymous No.22225386]

>>22224159
quality distillation of the times

[Anonymous No.22225402]

>>22224159
Absolutely and it will be one of the features communism will inherit.

[Anonymous No.22225725]

>>22224588
That's why the concept of the nation state needs to be eliminated.

[Anonymous No.22226109]

>>22224155
Based stone cold Steve Austin

[Anonymous No.22226125]

>>22223287
this nigga actually thinks the state and business cooperating is some Roosevelt invention

[Anonymous No.22226126]

>>22224456
Are you sure about that?

[Anonymous No.22226130]

>>22223509
post a video here of you sucking your boss' dick since it's obvious you have it saved on your phone

[Anonymous No.22226132]

>>22223509
Society owes aristocrats of the soul everything. Any sensible society would give me thousands of dollars that are currently given to Shaneequa. No I won't "contribute to society" as it currently exists.

[Anonymous No.22226136]

>>22223229
Karl Marx. Most anons seem to be confused communists in denial

[Anonymous No.22226140]

>>22226132
Kek. Everyone considers themselves an aristocrat of the soul

[Anonymous No.22226141]

Money is freedom.
I don't even need a whole lot of it, just enough.

[Anonymous No.22226142]

>>22226136
I'm not a communist. My only complaint is that they expect sensitive young men like myself to work a wagecuck job. I don't hate work perse.

[Anonymous No.22226144]

Why did all the lolbert cucks come out their crawl spaces for this post?

[Anonymous No.22226150]

>>22226142
Then start your own business or be good enough to command a salary. Just because you’re sensitive doesn’t mean you’re more valuable. There has to be proof

[Anonymous No.22226154]

>>22226150
fuck you

[Anonymous No.22226169]

>>22226125
No but the dissolution of great companies such as American Tabacco and Oil Standard (and almost US Steel) all happened under his presidency
Of course this comes from the Sherman Act, which was before Theodore's time, but still this heavy level of state interventionism started with his office

>inb4 state interventionism existed longer than that
sure, but we're talking about capitalist economies here

[Anonymous No.22226186]

>>22223229
Read Robespierre and realize moderates like those ITT aren't worth listening to. Their understanding of capitalism is nothing more than the cliffnotes version they got from /pol/eddit.

[Anonymous No.22226205]

It takes a really immature man to openly whine about how he has to brush his teeth.
Also, breakfast is a modern invention designed to sell more breakfast foods and there's literally no one making anyone "force-feed" upon waking up.

[Anonymous No.22226207]

>>22226150
>start your own business
>oops we made going to work illegal for three years unless you get an alien implant haha

[Anonymous No.22226217]

The general oeuvre of Ernst Junger. It’s important to note though that you’d have to take in his as much of his thinking as possible to get a comprehensive view. Even a few books would be insufficient.

[Anonymous No.22226220]

>>22226140
But the thing is, some people are right.

[Anonymous No.22226224]

>>22223640
Yes nobody owes society anything either. It’s a contract. Society says, “Through our collective labour we have acquired all of these great things. Food, clothes, houses, technology, heating, plumbing. All of our work went into this, and the work of our ancestors. If you want to contribute to this great collective project we are all engaged in, into which all of us are pouring our labour, then you too will get a share of these fruits. If not, that is totally fine, nobody will kill you, we just won’t give you these things since it is not fair for you to leech off the labour of others. Or maybe, through the kindness of our hearts, if you can demonstrate that you are unable to contribute through no fault of your own, we will support you via welfare.”

And that’s it. You have a choice. Work and contribute and get a share. Don’t work and don’t get a share.

You can’t complain “oh but I’ll starve to death”. That’s just the nature of the world. Your body needs sustenance to survive. You have to procure that sustenance somehow. Society gives you the option to procure it with labour within society; if you are unhappy with that, you can find some other way. Like John the Baptist living in the desert and eating insects.

You aren’t being wronged by anyone here. Imagine everyone thought like you, and aspired to escape labour: all the social goods we have would immediately disappear, because nothing would be produced.

You can blame God, or the human condition. But labour is inescapable. It always will be, unless mass automation happens. On a deeper philosophical level, you can justify this existence by claiming it builds character. Or you can commit suicide. But you can’t escape.

[Anonymous No.22226225]

>>22226125
It’s not a Roosevelt invention but the corporate-State as we know it is a progressive era phenomenon and the big names from that era are the Roosevelts. Teddy kicked it off and Franklin enshrined it in law.

[Anonymous No.22226229]

>>22225286
Do you have any idea how many people make money by selling “how to make money” PDFs online?

[Anonymous No.22226236]

>>22226150
I don't need proof only will. I won't degrade myself.

[Anonymous No.22226241]

>>22226169
Stop treating "business" and the "state" as different spheres. It's so weird how you types treat totally laissez-faire politics as some non-political stance.

[Anonymous No.22226248]

>>22225082
This is bullshit advice, but there is a grain of truth in it and that’s if you want to escape post-capitalism, you have to win, you have to have enough money to buy your freedom, and the way you do that in post-capitalism is basically financial speculation. If you look at wealth generated in Western countries since the 1990s almost all of it is in 4 industries: finance, insurance, real estate, and tech. The speculative aspect of finance and insurance is obvious. The speculative aspect of real estate is less obvious but everyone should be familiar with it at this point. The speculative aspect of tech might be less obvious but is easily explained by pointing out that half of all tech companies don’t generate profit. They’re effectively assets that are spun up by investors, spun out for a profit, rinse and repeat, all based on phony valuations indicating fake money that doesn’t actually exist but still makes you rich upon IPO or private sale. As for real business, you know, companies pulling stuff out of the ground or making things or even providing services and generating wealth, that’s only really happening in BRICS countries and you’re not allowed to participate in that, only the big corporations because they’re not evil colonialists. This is how the economy works now. So if you choose to try get freedom by playing the game that’s being insisted on and winning, it would probably help to know this.

[Anonymous No.22226257]

>>22226241
They are fundamentally different. Business is completely contract-based and non-coercive. The state is fundamentally coercive. If two Indian restaurants set up on the same street, and engage in free and non-violent competition, they are businesses. If one of them lobbies the state to impose regulations to shut down the other, or firebombs their building, he is no longer engaging in business but in statism or gangsterism (fundamentally the same thing).
Yes, that does imply that the vast majority of businesses today are not actually businesses, since they engage in coercive practices such as lobbying and patenting.
If a business uses the state to shut down competitors (eg through patents), it is no longer a business, but a gang/state organisation.

[Anonymous No.22226262]

>>22223287
In the Soviet Union, Lenin invented a plan to manipulate the large corporations and ultra high net worth individuals while crushing the petty bourgeois bergher capitalist, all for the benefit of the worker. The USA does something similar. We use central banking to bail out banks and inflate the assets of large corporations and ultra high net worth persons at the expense of workers rather bourgeois berghers. People call this “Billionaire’s socialism”. It’s not a mix of capitalism and socialism. It’s just a particularly insidious variant of socialism with the veneer of capitalism, and that’s really quite obvious.

[Anonymous No.22226264]

>>22226205
>breakfast is a modern invention designed to sell more breakfast foods
breakfast always existed and it usually just the remainder of yesterday meals, as few people had the means to get and cook fresh food in the morning
breakfast foods like cereals revolutioned breakfast (and created a whole market for it) because they were cheap, tasty, fresh and quick to produce and consume

[Anonymous No.22226278]

>>22226264
Everyone’s intermittent fasting and acting as if breakfast is a Jewish trick. Personally, I’ve started eating breakfast and dinner only, fasting in between, but either doing a hike or nap or both at some point during the day, and I can tell you this feels like the most natural and healthy routine I’ve ever tried, and I’ve tried them all.

[Anonymous No.22226305]

>>22226278
Are you unemployed?

[Anonymous No.22226313]

>>22223229

You cannot escape the system by partaking in the system. This dimension is ruled by Satan/Demiurge who feeds of suffering energy. Making us suffer while the system gets going. We are nothing but slaves. We don't realize because we forgot where we came from. We don't have the heaven as reference (anymore). And the system wants to keep your here, by supplying you temporary pleasure, keeping you addicted. There is a reason why freemasons are in every industry you can think of. They are the soldiers of Saturn/Satan. They perfectionized the circus

[Anonymous No.22226318]

>>22226305
No, but I am a remote worker and I don’t have a strict schedule so I’m able to pick and choose the lifestyle I like. The hiking part would be difficult for a regular in-person worker, but everything else I described is easily doable, even easy, I think.

[Anonymous No.22226320]

>>22224027
>freedumb

anyone who mocks freedom should be hanged

[Anonymous No.22226335]

>>22226318
I'm jealous

[Anonymous No.22226342]

>>22226318
>a remote worker

"remote worker," lol. they just don't want you and your idiot coworkers grouping up and overthrowing the central banks you idiot

[Anonymous No.22226348]

>>22226335
It has its downsides.

>>22226342
This comment is funny to me because I think my coworkers are some of the least likely people in the world to revolt against central banks regardless.

[Anonymous No.22226400]

>>22226348
If you get to take a nap or go on a hike on a workday you're golden.

[Anonymous No.22226412]

>>22226348
>It has its downsides.

No it doesn't.

After years of glorious WFH, they are dragging me kicking and screaming back to the office a few days a week. So I'm polishing my resume and looking for a new job.

[Anonymous No.22226446]

>>22226400
The hike thing is something I can do solely because my work is remote and not on a rigid schedule, I admit. But taking a midday nap is something most people can do. Just use your lunch break to nap. Do that and you’re doing everything I do minus the hike.

>>22226412
It does though. My job has gotten a lot easier, but most aspects of my life have gotten worse. I’m thinking about quitting and going to graduate school. At the end of the day, you’re trading precious moments of your finite life to do something that makes someone else more money than it makes you, whether it’s at home or in the office. If you’re not doing what is truly worthwhile, it sucks either way.

[Anonymous No.22226484]

>>22226313
lemme guess trad catholicism is the answer rite

[Anonymous No.22226501]

>>22226220
Prove it

Kek at the whiny juvenile anons. “ I don’t want to work, it’s not fair!”. I guess being poor and living at your parents house as an adult and embarrassment is better

[Anonymous No.22226517]

>>22226501
>I guess being poor and living at your parents house as an adult and embarrassment is better
To be honest, as long as you are not interested in getting shiny new things all the time and are happy with very little and don't care about your reputation then yes it is better then slaving away in a factory or some office.

The secret modern society hides is that humans need very little to be happy in reality because they want every single human being to be ''productive'', so they tell them you need money, shiny new things, etc to be happy. Happiness is a state of mind, it isn't something you can buy.

[Anonymous No.22226518]

>>22226446
>you’re trading precious moments of your finite life to do something that makes someone else more money than it makes you whether it’s at home or in the office.

As long as it makes me enough money, I'm happy. But going into the office makes my life worse.

> If you’re not doing what is truly worthwhile, it sucks either way.

Keeping a roof over my head and food on the table is truly worthwhile.