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Anonymous Sat Nov 26 20:27:16 2011 No.2214033 [Reply] [Original]

Sum up what you've learned from reading philosophy.

- Humans are mostly irrational creatures.
- There is no right and wrong - only opinions.
- The duality of man creates an unsolvable paradox that renders life absurd.
- Most importantly, things can't be easily summed up.
- The truth resists simplicity.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 26 20:36:10 2011 No.2214049 Wow, you should read better philosophy.

Anonymous Sat Nov 26 20:39:10 2011 No.2214053

>>2214049

The first three are scientifically confirmed.

I disagree with the fourth and fifth though, my understanding is that every single phenomenon can be reduced to underlying physical laws (biology, physical, psychological). So, the truth is simple, humans just don't believe it to be the real truth.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 26 20:40:14 2011 No.2214054 >>2214033 >- There is no right and wrong - only opinions. [citation needed]

Anonymous Sat Nov 26 20:41:14 2011 No.2214057
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You can't know shit. This is the one I keep coming back to. But while living with that in mind:

-Pleasure is pleasant.
-Might as well do what I want.
-Things such as truth, meaning, morality etc are for kids why can't into philosophy just yet.
-As soon as you can into philosophy you destroy philosophy leaving a barren wasteland with maybe the question of 'how shall I live' remaining, but there are no actual guidelines for that so:
-Might as well do what I want.

>>	D'Averc !UfFKGtFx2M!!/0aWHODYBc0 Sat Nov 26 20:41:14 2011 No.2214058 That's cool. I'm the greatest tripfag this board has ever laid eyes on. I'm the greatest tripfag this board has ever laid eyes on.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 26 20:42:10 2011 No.2214060 >>2214053 >The first three are scientifically confirmed. No. No they aren't.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 26 20:43:10 2011 No.2214064 Philosophy is pointless.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 26 20:44:11 2011 No.2214065 >>2214053 >every single phenomenon can be reduced to underlying physical laws (biology, physical, psychological). the map is not the country.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 26 20:44:11 2011 No.2214068 >>2214033 wtf is the duality of man?

Anonymous Sat Nov 26 20:46:10 2011 No.2214071

I don't think I've 'learned' anything from philosophy. It's not like math or science, which have consistent rules, and can be taught and understood.

To me, philosophy is more like a conversation. It serves to ask questions and provoke thought, not necessarily provide answers.

Philosophy has opened my mind to new trains of thought, given me many subjects for contemplation, and led me to explore ideas I wouldn't have otherwise.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 26 20:48:10 2011 No.2214077 >>2214071 There's more to knowledge than episteme, friend.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 26 21:14:13 2011 No.2214121 >>2214071 one of those trains of thought undoubtedly may be why cant you find a job

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 26 21:16:09 2011 No.2214128 philosophy is pointless, it is illogical to argue about subjective opinions about what things may or may not be

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 26 21:25:11 2011 No.2214147 Philosophy is useless, study critical theory instead.

Anonymous Sat Nov 26 21:30:11 2011 No.2214156
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>>2214128

>implying philosophy is only ontology
>implying logic itself isn't susceptible to criticism
>implying that value isn't something which is worthy of discussion
>implying philosphy isn't the study of value in the end when you strip away all the domains covered by sciences
>mfw I agree with you that discussion of value is pointless but still enjoy it so it finds it's meaning in my hedonism which is meaningless in itself but luckily pleasure isn't dependent on truth

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 26 21:35:11 2011 No.2214169 I have learned not to look for facts in philosophy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 26 22:00:10 2011 No.2214207 I haven't learned anything, but I've gotten better at thinking.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 26 22:02:14 2011 No.2214213 I have learned not to look for facts in life and to examine the facts given to me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 26 22:20:11 2011 No.2214265 >ITT: Motherfucks regurgitating sassy oneliners as if they're on Oprah

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 26 22:23:12 2011 No.2214276 >>2214265 >>2214269

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 26 22:23:13 2011 No.2214273 >jesus sucks >always shoot arabs >be selfish or you'll never make it as an architect

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 26 22:25:12 2011 No.2214280 File: 12 KB, 350x284, 3534735588_Laugh13_xlarge..jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2214273 >be selfish or you'll never make it as an architect

>>	Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Sat Nov 26 22:26:11 2011 No.2214287 File: 79 KB, 600x795, Yin-yang.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2214033 >- The truth resists simplicity. Nope Find the balance in all things for true harmony

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 26 22:30:12 2011 No.2214294 >>2214287 It's true. Once I found the right balance for my crystal meth habit my life really turned around.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 26 22:31:09 2011 No.2214300 One of the most interesting thing I have learned from Satre. We can never judge ourselves just out of our own perspective. It is always based on what we look like to the "other".

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 26 22:31:12 2011 No.2214297 >be selfish or you'll never make it as an architect This is True.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 17:29:33 2011 No.2215723 That none of you guys realise that philosophy extends as far as your entire knowledge base. Silly people.

Anonymous Sun Nov 27 18:30:33 2011 No.2215843

>The apparent duality of everything is our own invention, a way to reduce the world to the convenient abstraction of two polar opposites. There are infinite things between, but it is all one. There is only one everything.
>I don't fear the cold indifference of the universe; I revel in it.
>Absolutely everything is completely your own original invention, even if it is based on some sort of outside stimulus. Awknowledging this process of constant mental modelling gives one the means to shape the very fabric of their existence.
>Life is awesome once you stop giving a fuck.

Actually, I learnt that last one from watching FiM.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 18:31:33 2011 No.2215846 that whole thoughts are fundamentally inexpressible and incommunicable language blah blah balh thing was an excuse for me to avoid learning how to speak eloquently even though it's true

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 18:36:32 2011 No.2215849 Are we even talking?

Anonymous Sun Nov 27 18:52:44 2011 No.2215874

>>2214033

1. People will continue to believe in goofy shit, and encourage others to believe in goofy shit simply because science is either lacking the Grand Universal Theory of Everything or because we are limited by our language.

2. Majors in the sciences could do with a little philosophy

3. Majors in philosophy could do with a little science

4. Professors of Philosophy NEED active scientific knowledge of whatever topic they are discussing. If you are teaching the Philosophy of Mind, I expect you to be in touch with above average knowledge of how the brain physically works.

5. Philosophy needs to rejoin the scientific community or risk near complete dissolution

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 18:57:16 2011 No.2215881 >>2215874 Dual major in physics and philosophy master class here.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 19:00:14 2011 No.2215884 You're so full of shit. Everything is simple. Stop making it sound like truth is cumbersome.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 19:06:15 2011 No.2215892 >>2215884 simplifications are simple. Reality isn't.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 19:06:15 2011 No.2215893 >>2215884 what this guy said.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 19:12:16 2011 No.2215902 File: 56 KB, 230x230, 132241770059.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2214053 >scientifically confirmed that opinions are all there is

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 19:17:18 2011 No.2215910 >>2215892 reality may be complicated but it is nowhere near as complicated as philosophers make it out to be

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 19:31:19 2011 No.2215927 The universe is a mistake. Reality is an illusion. One cannot escape one's nature.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 19:32:19 2011 No.2215930 >- There is no right and wrong - only opinions. I'm an ethical anti-realist and I still belief in right and wrong; they are just rational, not metaphysical, constructs

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 19:32:19 2011 No.2215932 >>2215927 Smellin some Gnostics up in herr.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 19:35:17 2011 No.2215936 >>2215910 No human has ever made an abstraction that was more complicated than the reality it was supposed to describe.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 20:09:13 2011 No.2216017 >>2215936 and why does that matter?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 20:15:18 2011 No.2216027 >>2216017 Because it's true, and >>2215910 believes otherwise.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 20:21:15 2011 No.2216037 >>2215930 >even though I know there is no actual motive to do so I will still agree with Jesus because it's nice how are they rational?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 20:33:13 2011 No.2216052 >>2214273 fuckniong 10 / 10

Anonymous Sun Nov 27 20:37:16 2011 No.2216058

>>2215874

All "real" philosophy is dealing with the sciences. Only half baked retarded undergrads talk about it as if it doesn't only matter when dealing with the philosophy OF something else.

Philosophy and math/physics are becoming inextricably tied.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 20:41:15 2011 No.2216067 Seriously guys. If you don't know anything about philosophy and have never read a single text, just say so.

Anonymous Sun Nov 27 20:44:17 2011 No.2216072

>>2216027
I was going to post a rebuttal making your response to >>2215910 seem silly and out of place but I got a cloud flare message and lost the text and I'm too lazy to retype it all out. in short philosophy involving those kinds of abstractions and aspects of reality doesn't matter to anybody who does matter, mainly everybody who isn't worried about it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 22:42:13 2011 No.2216332 >>2214033 You can't reconcile the paradox with the intellect, which is inherently dual. But consciousness is more primal and exists in a permanent state of holistic presence among the flux of changing forms.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 23:28:14 2011 No.2216423 emptiness

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 28 00:00:17 2011 No.2216464 >>2214033 fin

Anonymous Mon Nov 28 03:47:17 2011 No.2216756

>>2216037
if you you tell me there is no actual motive you are begging the question
If you want to know why there would be a motive or what that is, ask that question, as retarded as that question is.
Don't know what Jesus has to do with it son, get your shit together.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 28 05:34:19 2011 No.2216832 File: 32 KB, 218x232, h.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >had to read philosophy to figure that out the obvious.

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