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Has any contemporary poet tried? I'd like to read some

>> No.21965348

A while back i was doing research on poetry and i live in texas, apperntly texas has a "state poem" which was written by some dude who was influenced by the finnish Kalevala


https://www.netstate.com/states/symb/poems/tx_legend_of_old_stone_ranch.htm

>> No.21965943

What defines at epic poem? Just it’s length? Can it have any metre or rhyme scheme?

>> No.21965945

Omeros

>> No.21966019

>>21965342
It is possible but not practical. Important to understand that poetry was a primitive information technology. Lengthy epic poetry would have been memorised and retold orally. The other issue is that epics traditionally are linked to the self-concept of races and nations, and we live in a sophisticated time of global citizenship :) so who or what would a modern epic be about?

>> No.21966025

>>21965342
no, we are simply not epic anymore

>> No.21966044

>>21966019
>concept of races and nations
The modern concepts of race and the nation-state didn't exist during Homers time.

>> No.21966048

>>21966044
You know what he meant, autist.

>> No.21966053

>>21966025
this, we have no heroe culture and dont believe in gods as much as ancients did, so any attempts at epic would come off as cringy

>> No.21966056

>>21966019
>so who or what would a modern epic be about?
class struggle

>> No.21966081

>>21965943
Meter and rhyme are irrelevant, requirements are usually that it begins in media res, that it have the heightened heroic epic style of writing, center on a hero involved in a historical/national defining period, battle or position, to stay elevated and high with the poet not being in the first person but above and omniscient to the affairs, usually being based on already existent and important historical elements and myths, depending on the culture it can require further requirements such as requiring all major fields of poetic skill being displayed, thus some depiction of romance, battle, nature scenary, rhetoric and so forth, or some people literally just define it as a long poem with a very grand concept which it is centered on. Depends ultimately on who you ask, for example Coleridge and Wordsworth were gonna write an epic poem about a single dude and just be about his personal life, but they died before completion, some people consider the divine comedy an epic many do not, etc.

>>21965348
Cool I never heard of it, I’ll see if I can read it later. Thanks anon.

>> No.21966717

>>21965943
It must have been performed by bards

>> No.21967233

>>21965342
Of course, you just need to have actual talent. Harry Martinson aced it in the 50s.

>> No.21967349

>>21965342
Byron, Shelley, etc

>> No.21967381

>>21965342
>epic poems of the 21st century
>unpronouncable name, pajeet dramatizing specific characters from the Ramayana
>some Norwegian wrote a sci-fi dystopia (only 35 pages though, so not really a book length poem)
>an American also did a sci-fi poem, this one is actually book length
>one about the history of Barbados
>a couple of YA books that were "written in verse"

>> No.21968459

bumping for recs

>> No.21968623

>>21965342
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brown%27s_Body_(poem)
it's about the civil war. looks like it was popular during the first half of the 20th century, with Cagney reciting it as his favorite book and a radio play directed by Charles Laughton.

>> No.21968766

>>21965943
Zeus must kill niggas

>> No.21968792

>>21965342
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Man_Was_Going_Down_the_Road

>> No.21968795

>>21965342
Also, probably Qateeni Gabbara.

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>>21965342
Decline of the West is in effect an epic poem

>> No.21968873

Lord of the rings ?

>> No.21968889

>>21965342
>>21965348
>>21966081
epick poetry is highly overrated
folk ballads were always more beloved than epick poems

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>> No.21969028

>>21965342
Yes. In my country, epic poetry persevered through the ottoman period, and new songs can still be found in recent day.

>> No.21969044

Aniara is great, not exactly contemporary but a lot more so than Homer etc

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epic_poems

>> No.21969137

How would one write an epic poem today? Would you stick with replicating tradition or have to create something “modern”

>> No.21969449

>>21966019
>so who or what would a modern epic be about?
The Struggle of the White Man against the whole world.

>> No.21969520

>>21966019
>so who or what would a modern epic be about?
i wonder what an epic poem based on the UN's values and history would look like. i guess probably it would be super revisionist in style and theme, but if the poet was artistically ambitious it could still be great. Maybe it could start with ww2 and just shame the fuck out of the nazis

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This book maybe but you basically have to read a bunch of Kazantzakis other works or Nietzsche and Bergson to understand it.

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>>21969028
Which Balkan country?

>> No.21969620

>>21966019
The Revolutionary War, the Civil War, WWI, WWII, and Vietnam are all US-centric wars that are ripe for Epic Poetry. Outside of the US you have Greek Independence, the fall of the Russian Monarchy, the birth of the USSR, literally anything and everything involving Nazi Germany, literally anything and everything involving Fascist Italy, the birth of the modern state of Israel, various nationalist and independence movements (there's a gazillion, pick one), various neopagan movements, literally anything to do with India in the last two centuries, and the recent Taliban victory over ZOG imperialism.

This is all just "war or ethno-religious rebirth" and it's all in the last ~150 years in Europe/USA/India. Epic Poetry isn't really a thing outside of the Indo-European tradition (duh), so if we extend this out to Japan and China alone there's huge amounts of fun stuff.

>> No.21969876

>>21969620
You forgot the Ukrainian War, either from the side of Russia and/or the separatists or the side of the ZOG puppet so-called “Ukrainian” pro-globohomo “government”.

>> No.21969891

>>21969876
And while we’re at it, why not the Struggle and Victory of Kievan Rus against the Jewish Khazarian slave trade of Slavic women into Muslim countries? The possibilities are endless.

>> No.21970247

>>21969555
Montenegro, though, epics are Serbian, so I'd suggest looking for them. There are still modern authors who write them.

>> No.21970257

>>21967349
>poets that lived 200 years ago
>contemporary
Congratulations, you're retarded.

>> No.21970281

>>21965342
There's a Czech epic set in space, written in Ancient Greek with a Czech translation. I'm not aware of an English translation, unfortunately.

>> No.21971352

>>21965342
Same

>> No.21971387

>>21965342
I have written some, and am in the process of writing a poetic saga about humanity and its worship of God. The saga starts in the present day as prose, and revolves around a device, very much like our smartphones and 'smart' tech, and how it leads to the near destruction of humanity. At the end of this part of the saga, the tale turns back in time, following different stories at different eras in history that depict the evolution of the behavior that led humanity to developing 'smart' tech, and the origin of the error that drove that behavior. If I am able to complete my work, the world, if it finds it, will have a replacement for the Bible, and a new God to worship. It is the only thing that can save humanity, and I am alone in my struggle.