Was he an amoral ?

[Anonymous No.21927509]

or he just wanted a "healthy" moral system?

[Anonymous No.21927514]

>>21927509
He was a very sensitive, deeply moral person, who felt wronged by Christianity but was so affected by it that he had a huge overreaction to it.

[Anonymous No.21927557]

>>21927509
He wanted one defined by what everyone really thinks about human relations but is too chicken to admit

[Anonymous No.21927599]

>>21927509
The word "moral" has many different meanings and senses. He was amoral in the sense that he was indifferent to christian morality. He wanted a "healthy" moral system in the sense of actual physical and spiritual health promoting ideals and rules.

[Anonymous No.21927671]

>>21927509
> She told me herself that she had no morality – and I thought she had, like myself, a more severe morality than anybody.
-From a draft of a letter to Paul Ree from Nietzsche

[Anonymous No.21927699]

>>21927509
>/lit/ nerds are discussing ethics again

[Anonymous No.21927718]

>>21927509
He was anti-hedonist so probably yes

[Anonymous No.21927756]

>>21927557
Basically this. His ethics were based on instinct, but a lot of people are too retarded to understand and just call hin conpletely unethical.

[Anonymous No.21928786]

>>21927509
He was indoctrinated into christianity as a kid, loved god, and called little preacher by his matriarchal household.
He was intelligent, went to school, and studied the lives of heroic greeks. He started writing about how his fellow greek historians superimpose their german protestant ethics onto their study of greek culture because as an autist, he saw pornographic and violent greek writings for what they were.
He began to hate the hypocrisy of society, the church, and human behavior when held up against the ethical teachings of jesus.
He got cucked by his best friend Paul Ree when Ree married his dream girl. He read science, became a materialist, and came to the conclusion that only a superhuman race of beings will redeem the downfall of the west happening since bugman Socrates and in Germany since coomer Martin Luther.
He claimed the knowledge of science can be a source of aid to us in this goal and in the end will wipe away all of the christian morality leading to a decadent, feminized west and create new table of morals based on literal physiological health. For the individual, it is up to them in how they craft their morality, so long as it is in line with life-affirming, principles of health and will-to-power.
He went crazy to uncertain causes, his brain rotted.
He tried to save a horse and collapsed in the street.
His sister fed and bathed him.
He died, became dionysus the crucified, and is a modern day prophet.
I'm not getting into will-to-power, but basically a biological idea (or metaphysical idea, according to Heidegger) and conception of life that rejects Schopenhauer and Darwin as survival being the underlying goal of existence. And yes, he misread Darwin. If he read more about sexual selection he may see the will-to-power operating in this, esp. the "Dionysian" aspect of sexual selection insofar as ornamental displays are emphasized for the purpose of a male getting pussy at the expense of attributes that help survival.

[Anonymous No.21928795]

>>21927509
His "system" is basically stirnerism taken to it's final conclusion. Total spook death. The only real thing which remains is biology.

[Anonymous No.21928803]

>>21927718
In early antiquities there were sever schools of hedonism, but only two main trends survived. I like to imagine a kind of Nietzschean style of hedon existed. Exercise and adrenaline oriented pleasure is still pleasurable even if you ache afterwards.

[Anonymous No.21928960]

he rejects morality but not ethics

[Anonymous No.21929510]

>>21928786
He mistook a moustache for a personality

[Anonymous No.21929646]

>>21927509
>kallos kagathos
The octopus' brain is distributed to all 8 limbs, which if severed can operate completely independently for a time, even demonstrating purposeful movement and manipulation of objects. "Where the mind leads, the body will follow." Suppose we bridge that gap with "healthy" instinct through good breeding. It is unreasonable (even unethical) to expect the unwashed masses to exert anything approximating personal or political agency in the way qualified by all our recent experiments in Republican modes of government: they require ruling, and those pretending not to be themselves of the masses need to be returned to the fold as well. Kakistocracy and ochlocracy have had their time, and it must be brought to a close. The alternative is man never making the leap to space, and huddling around until the end of days or an asteroid strike.

[Anonymous No.21929782]

Spiritually amoral
Literally moral

Nothing of his morality is different on the moral level, only the goal changes. In other words, altruism should be used to build parthenons, fitness centers, and philosophy conventions instead of monotonous suburban neighborhoods for monotonous suburban neighborhood's sake

[Anonymous No.21929786]

>>21929782
On the literal level*

[Anonymous No.21929858]

>>21928960
If you mean ethics as in "be a good saint and don't rob/kill/rape others and exploit them you fucking narcissistic psychopath" then that to me is morality, not "morality" as in aesthetic commandments such as fasting, you must eat ze X, obeying ridiculous orders, and praising a centralized deity. I call such commandments "commandments"

>>21929782
>>21929786
So this book is virtually useless for any actual moral advice then

[Anonymous No.21929865]

>>21929858
If you have the slightest thoughts about grasping a man's throat with a knife or using a rich girl as resources seek fucking HELP

[Anonymous No.21929864]

>>21928786
>He went crazy to uncertain causes
Wagner unintentionally btfo'd him so hard with Parsifal Neetzche realised it was all for nothing.

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[Anonymous No.21930669]

>>21928795
>His "system" is basically stirnerism
"“Ego,” sayest thou, and art proud of that word. But the greater thing—in which thou art unwilling to believe—is thy body with its big sagacity; it saith not “ego,” but doeth it.
<...>
Thy Self laugheth at thine ego, and its proud prancings. “What are these prancings and flights of thought unto me?” it saith to itself. “A by-way to my purpose. I am the leading-string of the ego, and the prompter of its notions.”"

"Ah! I have known noble ones who lost their highest hope. And then they disparaged all high hopes.
Then lived they shamelessly in temporary pleasures, and beyond the day had hardly an aim.
“Spirit is also voluptuousness,”—said they. Then broke the wings of their spirit; and now it creepeth about, and defileth where it gnaweth.
Once they thought of becoming heroes; but sensualists are they now. A trouble and a terror is the hero to them. But by my love and hope I conjure thee: cast not away the hero in thy soul! Maintain holy thy highest hope!—"

"Ye constrain all things to flow towards you and into you, so that they shall flow back again out of your fountain as the gifts of your love.
Verily, an appropriator of all values must such bestowing love become; but healthy and holy, call I this selfishness.—
Another selfishness is there, an all-too-poor and hungry kind, which would always steal—the selfishness of the sick, the sickly selfishness."

"Ye love your virtue as a mother loveth her child; but when did one hear of a mother wanting to be paid for her love?
<...>
And like the star that goeth out, so is every work of your virtue: ever is its light on its way and travelling— and when will it cease to be on its way?
Thus is the light of your virtue still on its way, even when its work is done. Be it forgotten and dead, still its ray of light liveth and travelleth.
<...>
Ah! my friends! That your very Self be in your action, as the mother is in the child: let that be your formula of virtue!"

"To stand with relaxed muscles and with unharnessed will: that is the hardest for all of you, ye sublime ones!
When power becometh gracious and descendeth into the visible—I call such condescension, beauty.
And from no one do I want beauty so much as from thee, thou powerful one: let thy goodness be thy last self-conquest.
All evil do I accredit to thee: therefore do I desire of thee the good."

"Unfruitful are ye: therefore do ye lack belief. But he who had to create, had always his presaging dreams and
astral premonitions—and believed in believing!—"

"This counsel, however, do I counsel to kings and churches, and to all that is weak with age or virtue—let yourselves be o’erthrown! That ye may again come to life, and that virtue—may come to you!—”"