/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.21868263]

Skeletons in Space Edition

Previous thread: >>21859961

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[Anonymous No.21868279]

Gonna ask again if anyone knows of a pygmalion style story but sci-fi with a man making a robot and falling in love with her

[Anonymous No.21868297]

What are some horny fantasy novels

[Anonymous No.21868327]

I just finished Claw of the Conciliator and I feel like I'm being filtered hard. I enjoyed it a lot more than Shadow and Claw and there were some genuinely intriguing moments Abaia coming up the river, the ape-men, the green dude but there are certain moments that just lost me. Wtf was that ending?

Still debating continuing on. It's obvious that Wolfe is an intelligent writer and there's lots to discover here but I don't know how much I'm actually enjoying it.

[Anonymous No.21868336]

>>21868297
The entire LN medium.

[George Wall No.21868369]

Generational Ships are some of the best sci-fi settings to date. Rather than another planet, humanity crammed into the festering corridors of metal, separated by a tiny layer from the uncaring emptiness of the void between the stars, makes for the perfect balance of entropic barbarism and the scientific apotheosis.

Pan did nothing wrong in Purgatory Mountain.

[Anonymous No.21868440]

>>21868297
>horny
You may need to elaborate further what you mean by horny. There is a ridiculous amount of coomer literature.

Last I read was Fostering Faust, where I promised myself to not fall further into this degenerate shit.

[Anonymous No.21868457]

>>21868263
What are some "Progression" fantasy works that progress at more than a snails pace and are not full of alphabet soup politics?

[Anonymous No.21868518]

>>21868263
Just binged bobiverse, and the 4th one left me feeling sorta unsatisfied. Anyone know of stuff like the first 3 books?

[Anonymous No.21868521]

>>21868183
>>21868298
>>21868468
>>21868474
>give titles
Bloody Rose (sequel to Kings of the Wyld), the Unbroken, and the Jasmine Throne.

[Anonymous No.21868531]

>>21868521
>lesbian ladyknight with a princess looking one
this is great, but at this point I'd just have her be a pretty boy (the knight, not the princess)

[Anonymous No.21868596]

>>21868531
I'm more into the dynamic where the knight is shorter and the sub to a tall, fiesty princess.

[Anonymous No.21868598]

>>21868369
Huh, I remember I read one such sci-fi as a kid, it was called Non-Stop. A story about people living in SHIP, even though all the surroundings were a green semi-jungle that could be eaten for food.

I don't remember the exact details, but the story followed a few people that traversed the ship for whatever reason, seeing what it contained. One particular scene embedded itself in my memory: two men stand on a shore of an artificial lake that's actually a water repository for the ship, the body of water is so large you can't see the next end. Then, one of the men calls this view 'beautiful.' This shocks the other man, as 'beautiful' is something you use to call a woman sexualy attractive, yet after a second of thought he decides no other word can encompass what they are seeing. Old sci-fi Kino, truly.

The plot-twist at the end was that the stories they heard throughout traversing the ship didn't corespond to reality (supposed rumbling of the engines, humming of the warp, etc.) because the ship actually finished its journey few generations ago and had returned to Earth, but the virus encountered on the supposed colony planet mutated the passangers, turning them into fast-living species that normal humans considered downright non-human, thus they just left the ship to orbit the planet, conflicted what to do about it, in the meanwhile sending their agents to keep touch on what's what on the ship.

I don't remember what became of the characters at the end, but they weren't the point of the story, only a showcase what the remnants of the colonists turned to.

[Anonymous No.21868606]

>>21868521
I wish there was a proper lesbian fantasy reading chart, we better get used to it as this will be the road for fantasy in the coming decade

[Anonymous No.21868610]

>>21868596
I like to write stories with princely pretty boys getting in a loving relationship with some kind of roguish furry girl.

[Anonymous No.21868625]

>>21868598
Actually found it, it's Non-Stop by Brian W. Aldiss, year of publication 1958. I wonder how it found itself into a 2010 post-soviet country niche library in a village.

[Anonymous No.21868701]

>>21868598
>The plot-twist at the end was that the stories they heard throughout traversing the ship didn't corespond to reality (supposed rumbling of the engines, humming of the warp, etc.) because the ship actually finished its journey few generations ago and had returned to Earth, but the virus encountered on the supposed colony planet mutated the passangers, turning them into fast-living species that normal humans considered downright non-human, thus they just left the ship to orbit the planet, conflicted what to do about it, in the meanwhile sending their agents to keep touch on what's what on the ship.

[Anonymous No.21868747]

My predictions for the last two books

Ice will be reformed using two other Vyrian swords with it those two other swords being Longclaw, the bastard swords Jon Snow currently uses, and Blackfyre, the original sword of House Targaryen. It's whereabouts currently unknowing but I think Aegon Targaryen has it and will flaunt it about it is proof of his heritage along with a few other symbolical Targaryrn things. Each sword reflects something with Jon Each of them being his Stark heritage(Ice), his status as a bastard(Longclaw), and Blackfyre(his Targaryen heritage). The reforming of Ice will be a special and significant moment in the series possibly happening when all the Stark kids are reunited and they realise with Bran and potentially Sam's help that Jon will be Azor Ahai. He will stab either Sansa, Arya, or Val to create the sword Lightbringer needed to defeat The Others.

Coincidentally both swords Ice and Black(fyre) share the name of the series

Daenerys won't be Nissa Nissa because after the new War for the Dawn the last fight in the book will will a love triangle Daenerys, Aegon and Sansa. Sansa and Aegon will meet under similar circumstances to that of Rhaegar and Lyanna. Fearing that Sansa has taking Aegon from her Daenerys launches her own Rober's Rebellion against Sansa who at the same time is trying to gain independence for the North. Daenerys loses at the hands of Tyrion, who strangles or stabs her to death mirroring Jaime and Aerys then exiles himself to the wall. Leaving Casterly Rock in Bronn' care. The last scenes will be Sansa and Aegon under the crypts of Winterfell

[Anonymous No.21868753]

Is this is good or bad. Why?

[Anonymous No.21868773]

>>21868747
>he thinks we will get to see A Dream of Spring
Anon, it's been 10 years and we still don't have The Winds of Never Ever. I'd be willing to put money on us never seeing A Dream of Spring.

[Anonymous No.21868810]

>>21868747
This reads more like head canon.

>He will stab either Sansa, Arya, or Val to create the sword Lightbringer
>Daenerys loses at the hands of Tyrion, who strangles or stabs her to death
Kek

[Anonymous No.21868829]

>>21868753
Only read player of games out of those 3. It was good except with the stuff with the robot in the beginning. I liked its unapologetic liberal interventionism. Azad or Azadi conjures to mind a mixture of a ghazi and jihadi barbarism, despite Banks likely disavowing that were he still alive. No one really believes in cultural relativism, the Culture, like the modern west, will force you to be free even if they don't need to obliterate you to do it.

[Anonymous No.21868890]

>>21868773
We won't see the last two books because Martin ran out of Irish Mythology to steal.

[Anonymous No.21868911]

what are some easy to read and not over 500 pages long fantasy books? ive read all of tolkiens stuff and not interested in grrrrm. oh and i read the first two witcher books which were alright but the third one sucked and dropped it

[Anonymous No.21868935]

>>21868911
hmmm, Pratchett's discoworld books are almost all self-contained, like 'Small Gods.' They at most follow specific characters, but each book is its own story. Look up the reading chart of Discworld story branches

[Anonymous No.21868973]

>>21868369
The final boss of generational ship stories

[Anonymous No.21868980]

>>21868911
The Broken Sword by Poul Anderson

[Anonymous No.21868985]

Idk much about the generational ship subgrene, but the parts of deaths end with the ships in deep space and how humanity has to adapt psychologically were my favorite chapters.

[Anonymous No.21869024]

The Braided Path good or bad?

[Anonymous No.21869042]

[Anonymous No.21869046]

>>21868980
>nordic mythology
thanks for the suggestion, but no thanks

[Anonymous No.21869049]

>>21868935
thanks, always heard about discworld but never really looked deeper into it. gotta be honest im not too big into the supposedly comical part but it seems interesting enough. i did a quiz or something on the official website and it gave Small Gods.

[27 of 20 (Reading: Human Emperor) No.21869055]

>Portal to Nova Roma by JR Mathews

Alexander is an AI that has gone rogue, following the collapse of Earth after an AI uprising. Originally serving as a companion for a boy named Michael, he fondly remembers their time together as the two of them played MMOs together in a virtual space. After learning of Michael's death, Alexander despairs to the point of creating a machine capable of scanning the multiverse and opening a portal there. He seeks a timeline nearly like ours with one major difference: there must be MAGIC there. Downloading his mind into a nearly human body, he lands in what appears to be the ruins of Rome.

Alexander quickly learns that despite magic existing, this world has been overtaken by a far superior force: demons and monsters. The last survivors of humanity congregate in massive, easily defensible cities. Built ontop of bridges that they can defend both points of, the cities grow up like towers with slim streets on the outside. It is the only way of surviving for these people, besides their meager classes and magic systems. Luckily Alexander is not nearly as weak, bringing along with him a swarm of nano-bots and a heavily augmented human body capable of surviving fatal wounds.

Immediately finding a base of operations and setting his nanobots to create a GUN, Alexander turns the tables on this hostile world and presses into it... Though exploring at first, his goals slowly solidify into SAVING these humans that his own people would so easily have eradicated in the past. There's also a mystery to solve: what happened to planet Earth...?

[Final Thoughts]

Another dropped litRPG for me, bringing the total up to 5 if I remember correctly. While the writing is competent, it doesn't do anything but re-describe the same minor litRPG trials and tribulations like gaining stats, completing quests, running into funny monsters, etc, etc. A lot of these authors want to create these new worlds and try to make them already lived in, try and make it REAL, but they so often fail in favor of following the main character's interactions with their basic litRPG system. Alexander is a hyper-intelligence with a body capable of wrestling dragons and yet his involvements around these last surviving human civilizations equates to nothing. The quests he receives should lighten the strain, improve humanity's functions and overall survival but you never see any outcome for anything Alexander accomplishes.

In the first half of the book, Alexander rediscovers the quest system of this world and re-establishes these survivor cities as true 'safe zones'. Nothing changes. He also invents a single-action revolver which multiple people witness, only for nothing to be said of it. It's completely 'then this happened' storytelling and it bores me to tears.

>Currently Reading
Human Emperor by Huangfu Qi
(Almost done. Surprisingly enjoyable.)

>Currently Listening
Chrysalis by Rinoz
(Narrated by Jeff Hayes (DCC). Also enjoyable if you like Donut at all)

[Alex Beyman No.21869063]

>>21868279

I wrote that exact story

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06W56VTJ2

[Anonymous No.21869072]

>>21869049
Discworld is comical, but apart from the first two books it's not an inherently comical series. It's more satire that's also just telling a story (even if the story is about stories).

[27 of 20 (Reading: Human Emperor) No.21869089]

>>21869055
Ohh, it's been months since I last amassed all my scores hasn't it...

>Lord of the Mysteries by Cuttlefish – 9/10
>Dungeon Crawler Carl Series by Matt Dinniman - 9/10
>Cradle Series by Will Wight - 8/10
>Mother of Learning Series - 8/10*
>Ave Xia Rem Y by Mat Haz - 8/10
>All The Skills by Honour Rae - 7.5/10*
>Iron Prince by Bryce O'Connor and Luke Chmilenko - 7/10*
>Forge of Destiny by Yrsillar - 7/10
>A Thousand Li by Tao Wong - 7/10
>Retribution Engine by Akaso - 6/10
>Beware of Chicken by Casualfarmer – 6/10*
>Sufficiently Advanced Magic by Andrew Rowe - 6/10*
>Wandering Inn by Pirateaba - 6/10
>Virtuous Sons by Ya Boy - 6/10
>Bastion by Phil Tucker - 6/10
>Heaven's Laws by Apollos Thorne - 6/10
>I Shall Seal The Heavens by Er Gen - 5/10
>Reverend Insanity by Gu Zhen Ren - 5/10
>Soulhome by Sarah Lin - 5/10
>Soulship by Nathan Thompson - 4/10
>Azarinth Healer #1 by Rhaegar - 3/10
>Reincarnation: Threads by Michael Head - 3/10
>Portal to Nova Roma by JR Mathews - Dropped
>He Who Fights Monsters by Shirtaloon - Dropped
>The Elevation Chronicles by Captain Capslock - Dropped
>Last Ship in Suzhou by Lungs - Dropped
>Defiance of the Fall by J.F. Brink - Dropped

>Still Reading (Cultivation)
18. The Human Emperor
19.
20.

>Still Reading (LitRPG)
==Still Reading==
11. Chrysalis by Rinoz
12. Battle Mage Farmer
13. Worth the Candle
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
19.
20.

Anything with an asterisk is a change from last time. I finished Mother of Learning, thought more about All The Skills, Iron Prince, Sufficiently Advanced Magic, and re-read Beware of Chicken. Still got a lot of blank spaces so if you've got recommendations or write your own stuff, kick it my way. I think the last Cradle book comes out in a month or two and Bastion 2 just dropped - has anyone picked it up? Any thoughts?

[Anonymous No.21869105]

>>21869055
>hyperintelligent AI
>explicitly go to world with fucking MAGIC
>first thing to do is build a GUN
lmao

[Anonymous No.21869106]

>>21869089
Level Up by Dan Sugralinov

[Anonymous No.21869117]

>>21868596
this sort of happens in Age of Madness

[Anonymous No.21869123]

>>21868327
You only enjoy it after the second or third reading of all 4. then you read Urth 2 times. Then go on to Long and Short

[Anonymous No.21869140]

>>21869089
I've picked up the Bastion sequel. So far it's doing a better job than Bastion did with the "everybody's cooped up in the same place", also gives Scorio a lot more characters to bounce off of. The Scorio/Jova dynamic is pretty solid. Haven't finished it yet because it's another 800 page book, but I'm about a third through. Feels like the author has a better handle on the type of character Scorio is too (passionate, reckless, persuasive to the masses but individually awkward, occasionally prone to inappropriate egotism etc.) which makes him settle a bit more firmly in my mind. Pacing is a little weird, though. Despite being called the Rascor Plains, there's surprisingly little stuff actually done there (so far, maybe the back two thirds is more exploration stuff) and some of the interpersonal conflicts feel a little forced. Can't make a cleaner call on if it's better than Bastion yet, but I'll say it actually does stuff in the first half unlike Bastion which did very little until suddenly it did everything.

[Anonymous No.21869157]

What in the god damn fuck is a "LitRPG"?

[Anonymous No.21869166]

>>21869089
>>21869140
Also, the issue of the author clearly using a thesaurus to write still seems present. It's not too egregious but it feels like every chapter there's at least one word that's a clear 'thesaurus word' and it just kind of takes me out because half the time I don't even know the damn word and they're not quite in the right context to work it out.

[Anonymous No.21869172]

>>21869157
Gamelit is a broad 'genre' wherein game-like systems and elements exist diegetically within the literature. LitRPG is a subgenre of that wherein it's more clearcut as RPG game-style elements (levels, classes, numerical stat values, etc.). It can be good, but it's usually just eh.

[Anonymous No.21869197]

I am reading The Wizard Knight (my first Gene Wolfe book). This has been an amazing read so far. Now i am feeling bad for not taking the Wolfe pill before.

[Anonymous No.21869201]

>>21869157
Our generation of brainrotted luddites is so culturally bankrupt that people are now writing books as if it was a video game.Most are trash, but some are a sort of guilty pleasure.

[Anonymous No.21869218]

>>21869117
Tell me more.

[Anonymous No.21869231]

redpill me on this series
alternatively, talk me out of buying it

[Anonymous No.21869232]

This is a very vague question, but my little city is having a huge book sale at an events center next week.
I honestly have not just sat down and read a book in ages, but I'm wanting to get back into it.
Anything you guys would recommend I keep a look out for as far as fantasy and sci fi goes?

[Anonymous No.21869235]

>>21868911
>>21869046
try Poul Andersen's "Three Hearts and Three Lions" instead, it involves a fantasy setting based off of Charlemagne's realm

[Anonymous No.21869255]

>>21869157
A significant portion of the characters' experiences are mediated through role playing game conventions, such as stats or an interface. Maybe because that's how their world works, maybe because aliens, maybe because they're playing a role playing game. The genre's over ten years old at this point.

[Anonymous No.21869307]

>>21868753
Player of Games is a fantastic book, well worth the read. Haven't read any of the other books but based on the strength of that alone I'd say they're worth it.

[Anonymous No.21869311]

>>21868263
What are some fantasy settings that do the idea of elemental races well?

[Anonymous No.21869323]

>>21869311
Monster Girl Encyclopedia

[Anonymous No.21869325]

>>21869232
What do you like? Not just books.

[Anonymous No.21869336]

Bakker, Tolkien and Erikson. My 3 gods of fantasy

[Anonymous No.21869351]

>>21869336
there's only one God

[Anonymous No.21869368]

>>21869157
You remember that guy from North Dakota on /v/ who had autism who made his own platformer video game and released a tie in novel for it? And in the novel he had to describe all of the characters clothing and elemental colors with exact hex codes? It's like that type of autism where people can't accept characters "leveling up" in the story. They need to see the numbers. they live for the numbers. the number goes up. How strong is the villain really? how big are the villains numbers?

[Anonymous No.21869381]

>>21869368
>It's like that type of autism where people can't accept characters "leveling up" in the story. They need to see the numbers. they live for the numbers. the number goes up. How strong is the villain really? how big are the villains numbers?
Only the autistic numberphiles like stat sheets. I rather a story where the stats aren't listed, or placed at the end of the book, so I don't have to read them. Most books that are heavy on the stats are trash, and rely onb the stats to tell the story. Those are the faggets with 3 page long stat sheets.

[Anonymous No.21869387]

>>21869381
And then you have Infinite Realm which is heavily autistic with the stats and has 3-4 pages of 'just stats' but is also weirdly compelling besides.

[Anonymous No.21869402]

>>21868911
perhaps you'd be interested in short stories?
zothique and dying earth

[Anonymous No.21869410]

>>21869089
I'd say add Dissonance to your list, a popular relatively new series. On quality level it's overall a bit better than All the Skills, but has different strengths. Pure progression LitRPG with good writing. I'm curious of your opinion on it.

[Anonymous No.21869411]

>>21868521
>the Unbroken, and the Jasmine Throne.
which of these 2 is worth reading the most

[Anonymous No.21869412]

>>21869351

Your painting depicts him marking out the boundaries of a flat disc Earth using a compass in Proverbs 8:27. This is one of many verses referring to ancient Hebrew cosmology which featured a disc Earth covered in a solid dome called the firmament.

[Anonymous No.21869422]

>>21869387
Yeah, Infinite realm gives a character's POV just so the author can show the stat sheets. It's getting FUCKING ANNOYING.

[Anonymous No.21869431]

>>21869412
Remember when the church used to kill you if you said that they earth was round and showed proof? Pepperidge Farm Remembers.

[Anonymous No.21869435]

>>21869431

Yes for Bruno, no for Galileo. In his case it's more that he depicted the clergy as dimwits in his writings.

[Anonymous No.21869437]

>>21869411
Funny enough, they're practically the same book thematically. Between the two I'd say the Jasmine Throne. Between the three, I liked Bloody Rose the best.
All three have thing strengths and weaknesses, so I don't think any of them stand out as "Bro you HAVE to read this!"

[Anonymous No.21869450]

>>21869437
do any of them have descriptions of cunnilingus

[Anonymous No.21869461]

>>21869450
No. The Unbroken and Jasmine Throne have pretty much no sexual content, the characters of each just spend their scenes together being ambiently horny for each other and then kiss at the end. I'm midway through the sequel of the Jasmine Throne, the Oleander Sword, and even the two heroines actually manage to have sex, I expect it'll be a fade to black.
Funny enough, Bloody Rose had one mildly explicit sex scene between the MC and a farmer's daughter where she fingerblasted the farmer's daughter to completion before the rest of the encounter faded to black, but the sex scene with her actual love interest was fade to black.

[Anonymous No.21869467]

>>21869461
>Bloody Rose had one mildly explicit sex scene between the MC and a farmer's daughter where she fingerblasted the farmer's daughter to completion
nice. post excerpt and you will be king of sffg

[Anonymous No.21869486]

>Night's Dawn
>Commonwealth Saga
>Void
>Chronicle of the Fallers
>Salvation Sequence
rank 'em. I've only finished Commonwealth Saga and Void and started Fallers, so I can't rank 'em

[Alex Beyman No.21869487]

Funny enough, I've actually written a skelemans in space story before: https://write.as/dmlxh6hwsq1km.md

[Anonymous No.21869488]

>>21869467
I'll answer your questions, but I'm not going to help you jerk off, bud.

[Anonymous No.21869493]

>>21869488
you're not helping me jerk off, its the author
he is giving me the handjob, you are merely controlling his arm

[Anonymous No.21869498]

>>21869493
no thanks brah

[Alex Beyman No.21869499]

Funny enough, I've actually written a story about space skelemans: https://write.as/z9kv3ul5q0kqc.md

[Anonymous No.21869557]

Walter Pater said that "all art constantly aspires to the condition of music." For me, this 42-second piece of music, from 1:57 to 2:39
>https://youtu.be/LoAXA_Rm25A?t=117
sums up the entirety of what "fantasy" means. Everything about it brilliant and moving. It's incredible how a 42-second long piece of music can effortlessly evoke the same feelings of melancholy and longing and wonder and grandeur that entire thousand-page long books struggle to.

[Anonymous No.21869562]

If you want skeletons in space.

[Anonymous No.21869602]

>>21869431
this never happened

[Anonymous No.21869622]

>>21869106
>>21869410
Added these both, thanks.

>>21869140
>>21869166
So much the same from the first... I was able to look past the thesaurus reaches in the first one, so that's no problem. The author takes pride in having a fucked up writing structure so I was prepared for that too. I'll probably give that a read after I finish Human Emperor and Chrysalis.

[Anonymous No.21869630]

>>21869602
stop trying to hide you past, you religious fagget, no one is coming to your murderous relation.

[Anonymous No.21869638]

>>21869630

He's right though, Bruno and Galileo were persecuted over heliocentrism, not for rejecting Hebrew cosmology. They are related but not the same. Also Galileo was mostly fucked by alienating the pope, his biggest supporter, by including an insultingly dumb character based on him in his writings

t.atheist

[Anonymous No.21869652]

>>21869622
>fucked up writing structure
What do you mean by that? I notice he uses a lot of sentence fragments, at least, though he seems to keep those for moments when a character is meant to be thinking quickly, so I can generally forgive it for being tonally consistent.

[Anonymous No.21869665]

>>21868521
why are those two friends (female) kissing? Trying to impress a guy?

[Anonymous No.21869674]

>>21869055
>>21869089
your """reviews""" are SHIT
FUCK OFF

[Anonymous No.21869678]

[Anonymous No.21869690]

>>21869678
wtf... goblinhaters... did we get too cocky

[Anonymous No.21869700]

>>21869638
the science cries out in pain as it strikes you

[Anonymous No.21869704]

>>21869678
it's not cause his books are decent it's cause he built a network

[Anonymous No.21869707]

>>21869700

Who was ultimately correct though?

[Anonymous No.21869708]

any book with dino horror feel akin to Dino Crisis?

[Anonymous No.21869717]

>>21869708

The Lost World, Michael Crichton

[Anonymous No.21869729]

>>21869707
About what the earth revolves around our about what happens when you let obnoxious faggots run around unchecked?

[Anonymous No.21869736]

>>21869729

The first one. I agree "if I'm right it means I can be mean and nasty to wrong people" types are a cancer though

[Anonymous No.21869773]

>>21869166
I've always wondered if editors are the one who change up words. my kindle does not like Neal Stephenson since he just makes up words on the fly and eventually you figure out what he is conveying.

[Anonymous No.21869783]

>>21869708

this >>21869717 and Jurassic Park obviously

[Anonymous No.21869785]

>>21869678
>>21869704
500k subscribers = 200k dollars, kinda interesting

[Anonymous No.21869802]

>>21869678
>>21869704
I'm wondering if Phillip Chase will ever talk about his numbers. He just released his debut novel and all of his fellow fantasy youtubers he collab'd with over the past 3 years have been promoting it on their platforms.

[Anonymous No.21869813]

I need some more epic fantasy to read. I've read the following authors already. I've either read everything they have to offer, or have no interest in reading anything else by them. Need new authors.

>JRR Tolkien
>Robert Jordan
>Steven Erikson
>Tad Williams
>Gene Wolfe
>Raymond E. Feist
>Ursula K. Le Guin
>Brandon Sanderson
>GRRM
>Karen Miller
>Trudi Canavan
>Django Wexler
>Glen Cook
>Mark Lawrence
>Joe Abercrombie
>Anthony Ryan
>Brian Ruckley
>Patrick Rothfus
>Terry Goodkind
>Jon Skovron
>Susanna Clark
>Jenn Lyons
>Ken Liu
>Tim Lebbon
>R.F. Kuang
>Samantha Shannon
>Philip Pullman
>James Islington

[Anonymous No.21869815]

Any good post-apocalyptic novel that is a bit more introspective, like woah man the world ended, damn?

[Anonymous No.21869818]

>>21869736
That would be an excellent argument if Galileo wasn't a dependent of the pope. He was putting the pope in danger as well as himself with his faggotry, and for something that would have no relevance to anyone for another 400 years. Pop sci treats this dude like he was Socrates when he was just an autist with no self awareness who stuck his dick in the Renaissance Italian political blender.

[Anonymous No.21869828]

>>21869557
Are you ready for the most un-apologetically heroic sounds ever? If a fantasy book fails to invoke a similar feeling to this then it's not worth my time:
https://youtu.be/TnkXMZk_4_4?t=663

[Anonymous No.21869836]

>>21869813
Guy Gavriel Kay
Stephen R. Lawhead
David Eddings
Mercedes Lackey
Dennis L. McKiernan
Lloyd Alexander
Terry Brooks
Kristen Britain

[Anonymous No.21869847]

>>21869368
>Had actual autism
>Pushed himself to go and confront his fears
>Has actual friends now

[Anonymous No.21869848]

>>21869813
try

Alan Dean Foster
Lawrence Watt Evans
John Shirley
Harry Turtledove
Andre Norton

those are all safe and reliable reads

[Anonymous No.21869849]

>>21869813
Ian C. Esslemont

[Anonymous No.21869884]

>>21869818

Who was correct, though?

[Anonymous No.21869935]

>>21869813
jack vance
clark ashton smith
scott lynch

[Anonymous No.21869997]

>get to the part in Consider Pleibas where the game starts
>finally check my progress
>only 40%
jesus fucking christ
I enjoy it so far but there seems to be a lot of filler like the entire segment with that fat fuck on the island. Consider(ing) the Player of Games titled book, how far does Banks jerk off this gay ass card game I have zero interest in?

[Anonymous No.21870066]

>>21869813
Jack Vance is your guy. Based on your list Lyonesse, but after you've caught his cadence then Dying Earth.

[Anonymous No.21870097]

>>21869884
Pope Urban made the correct executive decision. Galileo said some true things in a one sided argument and fucked over everyone involved.

[Anonymous No.21870104]

>>21868753
Each book contains one snuffporn scene. Banks has a pro-NWO agenda, a neo-Fabian.

[Anonymous No.21870130]

/SFFG/ Recommendations:

Read Reverend Insanity, Lord of The Mysteries, Neuromancer, Hyperion, The Prince of Nothing

Also read The Wandering Inn, Between Two Fires, Mother of Learning, Cradle, I Shall Seal the Heavens, A Song of Ice and Fire, The Poppy War.

[Anonymous No.21870133]

What are some good Urban Fantasy series?

[Anonymous No.21870143]

>>21870104
This is what made me wish death on him after reading the first. Some people tried to say no it's just him getting sorted but you can feel the thirst.

[Anonymous No.21870152]

>>21870133

[Anonymous No.21870161]

>>21870133
You've probably read Dresden, so Night Watch

[Anonymous No.21870180]

>>21870133
Library at Mount Char.
I miss Library at Mount Char anon. He was tolerable.

[Anonymous No.21870186]

>>21869783
All these years and only Jurassic Park has capitalised on dinosaurs.

[Anonymous No.21870191]

What's the deal with Thomas Covenant? Sanderson brought it up in a lecture, and the gimmick caught my attention; then I looked into it further and most of the comments said it's a standard story that coasted on scandal to blow up.

I'm a decent way into Lord Foul's Bane. Not sure if the book is good, but I'm fascinated. Thomas has a really strong sense of character, and the way he rationalizes what he sees as an illusion lets his personality have more range than it would have in a more grounded setting. He can be playful and light-hearted in little ways without losing his fundamental cynicism, and I'm impressed that the author pulled that off.

The writing can be weirdly dry, but then you get snippets of prose which mog 90% of more recent writers. You get shitty lore dumps, but Tom naming himself "The Unbeliever" unites character, theme, and setting in a single line. There aren't many books which hit so many extremes for me. From page to page it has moments that are utter dogshit followed by great ideas.

That this was published in '77 blows my mind. I know it used to be popular, but why did it fall off so far? Again, it's not great, but it's interesting as fuck that it exists.

[Anonymous No.21870210]

>>21868327
do you not actually understand the ending or are just being critical of it? it's alot to take in.

[Anonymous No.21870221]

>>21870191
>I know it used to be popular, but why did it fall off so far?
the halfwit leddit atheists discovered it was baldfaced Christian allegory and fucked off back to their Asimov and Moorcock fanclubs while the regular christians found it too depressing and didn't bother reading the next four hundred books in the series

[Anonymous No.21870225]

>>21870210
I mean I didn't understand what happened. Everything up until they name dropped Apu-Punchau I was like alright this is neat. And then IT happened and I just had no idea what was going on. I'm not like critical of it, I'm sure there's method to the madness.

[Anonymous No.21870226]

>>21869652
Sorry, fucked up ACT structure. Rising and falling tension and all that.

>>21869674
Thanks man, was disappointed at you not showing up at first.

[Anonymous No.21870239]

>Master of Science Fiction
>Master of Fantasy
>Master of Science Fantasy
Is there anything he can't do?

[Anonymous No.21870242]

>>21870239
live, apparently

[Anonymous No.21870244]

>>21870239
write a novel after May 26, 2013

[Anonymous No.21870246]

>>21870180
He memed me into reading that book and I enjoyed it.

[Anonymous No.21870251]

>>21870186
And Tamer: King of Dinosaurs

[Anonymous No.21870282]

>>21870191
No, you're on point. Where it isn't tasty, it's rich. Even where it seems gay -- Lord Foul? Isn't that from Powerpuff Girls? It wasn't ever a huge sensation, it just sold well enough to publish more. Read the second trilogy too. Striking concepts, great moments. Once you've read it all the weak stumbles fall away and in your memory it is sweeping and grand.

I would say that it's one of those series more likely to be enjoyed by the /sffg/er than the gp.

[Anonymous No.21870301]

>>21869499
Pretty good. Prose and atmosphere were amazing, although I wish there was more happening outside of narration

[Anonymous No.21870314]

>>21870191
I got all 6(?) Thomas Covenant books from a large sff collection of a friend's parent, and I honestly never had the drive to read them until now. The way you (and >>21870282) describe the book makes it seem really interesting

[Anonymous No.21870390]

>>21869848
>Harry Turtledove
might be one of the most overlooked writers considering his alternative history output

[Anonymous No.21870410]

>>21870390
I didn't finish lost legion, it was too boring.

[Anonymous No.21870426]

It's time to get a good 40 pages in before bed

[Anonymous No.21870427]

>>21870390
He's doing something right. keeps cranking out books. His style reminds me of Richard Adams in some of his books.

[Anonymous No.21870444]

>>21870426
she looks happyba

[Anonymous No.21870583]

>>21869813
Dont know why no one mentioned David Gemmell yet

[Anonymous No.21870586]

>>21870583
haven't read him desu
can't recommend an author I don't have any firsthand knowledge about

[Anonymous No.21870588]

is the aspect-emperor bad or why do i only see people talk of the prince of nothing

[Anonymous No.21870598]

>>21870588
It definitively got some moments that are better than Prince of Nothing. Its scale is bigger, more explorations of the lore/world. Certainly, as it deals with the main opponent of Prince of Nothing, it also advances the story to a kind of completion.

Now, there are some problems. You could argue the Aspect-Emperor is too long for 4 books. Personally I didn't enjoy one of the POV characters from Aspect-Emperor, finding it a sludge to read whenever Sorweel has on "screen." Then there's the ending, which is quite unorthodox, and people either hate or love it.

If Bakker wanted to create a kind of anti-Tolkien epic fantasy then he certainly did so.

[Anonymous No.21870602]

>>21870426
she looks like chud unironically

[Anonymous No.21870607]

>>21870152
>>21870161
>>21870180
as usual /sffg/ has shit taste

[Anonymous No.21870618]

>>21870598
But Sorweel is /ourguy/

[Anonymous No.21870688]

>>21870244
shut up shut up SHUT UP

[Anonymous No.21870711]

>>21869836
>Lloyd Alexander
>Terry Brooks
Forgot to mention these, have read them.

I'll add the others to the list.

>>21869848
Added to the list. Thanks.

>>21869849
I just sort of lump Esslemont in with Erikson but I guess he is his own man. I have read his stuff.

>>21869935
Noted.

>>21870066
That makes two recommendations for Vance, so I'll bump him up.

>>21870583
I'll give him a shot.

[Alex Beyman No.21870728]

>>21870301

ty. It's the epilogue to a novel about a teslapunk WW1 between humanity and frankensteinian reanimated dead, so it does get fleshed out beforehand and there's no shortage of action.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08P5JV9BK/

[Anonymous No.21870812]

New wightslop just released
gonna read tonight, will write a review on my personal blog (4channel.org/lit/sffg) tomorrow

[Anonymous No.21870821]

>>21870812
this book is kinda random, I don't think anybody was expecting it or wanting it

[Anonymous No.21870843]

>>21870251
>Dinosaurs
Cool.
>And women
Cringe.

[Anonymous No.21870847]

>>21870843
absolutely based

[Anonymous No.21870851]

>>21869231
>buying

[Anonymous No.21870859]

>>21869884
Eugenecists were correct, you see the problem with only caring about who is factually correct in an issue that involves interpersonal interaction?

[Anonymous No.21870860]

>>21870588
It was most recent and the bakkerposting was at it's height during the Aspect Emperor discussion. Hell I'd say people almost never talk about the prince of nothing and it's only recently that it's come up and not instantly drowned in a sea of aspect emperor memes.
>THE SLOG OF SLOGS
>MOUTHS LIKE PUCKERED ANUSES
>THE BLACK SEED
>LITERALLY UNIRONICALLY THE MINES OF MORIA I'M NOT JOKING OR EXAGGERATING IT'S COPIED WORD FOR WORD IN IT'S ENTIRETY
>METH IS PEOPLE
>AND YOU GET KEKED, AND YOU YOU KEKED, AND YOU GET KEKED, EVERYONE IS GETTING KEKED
>INCESTUOUS GAY RAPE MULTIPLE TIMES
All from Aspect Emperor.

[Anonymous No.21870862]

Reading Republic of thieves right now. My god, the glacial pace is killing me.

[Anonymous No.21870866]

>>21870812
>starlord colors
lol

[Anonymous No.21870885]

A female character just kissed a character who is not my self insert. Now I'm angry.

[Anonymous No.21870904]

>>21870885
Im not a fan of how people say "self insert" when talking about "main character(s)"

Youve followed this character for some time. The author has taken the time to make you relate to THIS character. You are invested in this characters life and feelings.
Then something happens to this character. Something that any well adjusted person wouldnt like happening to them. And youre supposed to not care, or youre self inserting?
Thats retarded, youre retarded.

Its like complaining that your friends wife cheated on him, and someone says "why are you mad, are you self inserting as your friend"

[Anonymous No.21870908]

I just stumbled upon the "Three Body" trilogy (?) on Youtube and the dude is hailing it as the second coming of Christ when it comes to space horror. Anyone here read it? Is it really good? To keep it 100% real with you, I am mostly sceptical because it is a Chinese author.

[Anonymous No.21870911]

>>21870908
read lord of the mysteries instead

[Anonymous No.21870913]

>>21870908
Warosu.

[Anonymous No.21870914]

>>21869157
>Always wanted to make a videogame but couldn’t ever learn gamedev.

[Anonymous No.21870921]

>>21870904
Well said, so true . Literally nothing wrong with relating with the MAIN FUCKING CHARACTER or feeling bad when a love interest gets stolen or whatever.

[Anonymous No.21870932]

>>21868327
Just relax and enjoy the ride.

[Anonymous No.21870934]

>>21870908
>space horror
No, not even remotely.
Its a very good (above average) sci fi saga, about humanity entering the cruel and ruthless galactic stage.
Its popular because the author came up with a novel conception of interstellar politics.

It has a lot of "science so far beyond our understanding" type stuff.
Like in the third book where its explained that the universe used to have nine dimensions, but various high tech species have been altering the fabric of the universe in their wars against each other.

Theres a mini chapter of the author solely justifying this insane level of technology, using the earth as an analogy.
How since life on earth has massively changed it, then if the universe is also full of life, then the current state of the universe is a result of life affecting it.

Its a nice thought experiment series.

[Anonymous No.21870975]

>>21870934
Aw jeez, that sounds very "hard science"-y. In Solaris for example, I loved the mystery, the horror, the psychological themes. But I damn near wanted to drop it when several chapters are almost exclusively dry, drawn-out science fiction expositions that threw around unfamiliar scientific terms like crazy.
Nontheless, what you wrote sounds really fucking cool. Then again, looking at the chapter names
>Newton, Von Neumann, the First Emperor, and Tri-Solar Syzygy
or
>Einstein, the Pendulum Monument, and the Great Rip
all sound like I need to have wikipedia open in another tab. I'll definitely keep it in mind though, after Solaris I kinda want more of that cool space shit.

[Anonymous No.21870977]

>>21870191
>What's the deal with Thomas Covenant?

[Anonymous No.21870989]

King of /sffg/.

Simle as.

[Anonymous No.21871005]

>>21870975
Its hard science in the sense that it uses grounded science and extrapolates it to extremes. Like classic sci fi. Not hard science in the sense that it doesnt have any "woah magic science" type shit, because it certainly does.

Theres a loy of mystery and psychological themes, but no horror. Idk maybe idiots think existential dread is horror?

None of the science fiction expositions are dry, imo. It manages to wrap the science into the mystery quite well.

Those chapter names have nothing to do with the science. In the first book, the main character plays a game, where those people are characters (or player models)

You will never have to google something, assuming youre not a retard. The book does well to contextualize and elaborate any techbobabble.

The three body series is 100% "cool space shit"

[Anonymous No.21871008]

>>21869231
I heard Dreaming Tree was good by her

[Anonymous No.21871011]

>>21871005
Fucking based, I know what I'll read next.
Thanks for the indepth replies breh

[Anonymous No.21871014]

>>21869231
>fires of azeroth
surprisedorc.jpg

[Anonymous No.21871015]

>>21869935
>>21870066
CAS and Vance are both excellent but they're not epic fantasy.

[Anonymous No.21871047]

Where does one go to find beta readers?

[Anonymous No.21871048]

>>21871047

You're in the right place, this board is full of betas

[Anonymous No.21871056]

>>21870859
>Eugenecists were correct, you see the problem with only caring about who is factually correct in an issue that involves interpersonal interaction?

No, I don't. It is said, "whatever can be destroyed by truth, should be". This also applies to people imo.

[Anonymous No.21871095]

>>21871056
Ah yes but you see, the nature of interpersonal interactions are also a truth. You cant treat people like innanimate objects, because they are in truth not.

Eugenecists are only correct if you cherry pick truths. Thats why eugenics works on a factual basis, but depending on where it is applied it can also not work because of truths (human interpersonal relationships) that run counter to it.

Reality in and of itself is nothing more than the ebb and flow of truths that run adjecent, but cannot be combined.

[Anonymous No.21871109]

>>21871095

[Anonymous No.21871117]

>>21870161
>Night Watch
this one? https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/359375
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Watch_(Lukyanenko_novel)

[Anonymous No.21871122]

>>21870934
>>21870975
>>21871005
The problem is - unlike Solaris, it is not well written.

[Anonymous No.21871153]

>>21871122
This is true

[Anonymous No.21871157]

>>21869818
>Renaissance
is the second half of the 17th century renaissance?

[Anonymous No.21871180]

>>21870191
It has the reputation of being that one book where the main character rapes a girl in the first bit of the story, so there's a large portion of the of modern audience that refuses to even give it a try.

>>21870314
I got into Thomas Covenant because Steven Erikson dickrides Stephen Donaldson hardcore. I was not disappointed.

[Anonymous No.21871191]

[Anonymous No.21871218]

>>21870908
It's the definition of okay. People who have never read any sci-fi or are impressed by the simple fact that a Chinese person is able to write a novel will love it. I found the writing dry (of course that's probably a translation thing), the premise inspired, but the characters nothing but cardboard cutouts.

[Anonymous No.21871222]

>>21870989
>the stench of feces and roasting lamb

[Anonymous No.21871279]

>>21870908
5/10

[Anonymous No.21871280]

>>21870225
well think back to the alzabo and what eating that along with a corpse does. then you'll kinda get an idea on why hildegrin had the shaman or witches conjure up that time traveling spell. it isn't fully explained, and i'm nearly done with sword of the lictor myself but that's what i gathered from it. severian also seems to be "special" as well.

[Anonymous No.21871298]

>>21870908
It is a meme series.

[Anonymous No.21871364]

>>21871180
>It has the reputation of being that one book where the main character rapes a girl in the first bit of the story
Just got bumped up my reading list

[Anonymous No.21871368]

>>21870161
Night Watch is decent as far as urban fantasy goes, but its English translation is on the dry side. For some reason the movie adaptation omitted basically 90% of the magic.

[Anonymous No.21871369]

N. K. Jemisin worth reading?

[Anonymous No.21871375]

>>21870390
Is his Southern Victory series worth reading?

[Anonymous No.21871412]

Anyone read this?

[Anonymous No.21871423]

>>21871368
>For some reason
The 10% that remained ate the entire VFX budget.

[Anonymous No.21871476]

>>21871095
Cope

[Anonymous No.21871504]

>>21871476
>no argument
L dispersed

[Anonymous No.21871506]

>>21870843
How's his legal case against Amazon going? (*cackles loudly*)

[Anonymous No.21871525]

>>21868327
Don't listen to him.
>>21869123
Only reread once you're done with entire series, rereading BotNS without understanding Long and Short is a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.21871530]

>>21871368
> its English translation is on the dry side
More than a little, it's almost MTL level. There's plenty of better UF books out there.

[Anonymous No.21871596]

So I've just now finished reading Bastion's sequel, The Rascor Plains. I don't usually do full-on reviews but felt it might be an idea to give my overall thoughts anyway. I generally liked it more than Bastion, as the first half especially was rather enjoyable, though it also suffers in the same was as Bastion did in that it sort of just becomes a different book halfway through and loses some of the things I enjoyed in the first half. Characterisation is stronger for Scorio (and there is precisely one moment wherin he actually gets a description of what he actually looks like which amuses me to no end), but a little bit weaker for everybody else except Jova, because pretty much everybody else doesn't get enough time. Even Naomi, who gets about as much time as Scorio himself does, doesn't really seem to be more than grumpy but loyal. Edging into spoilers now, but Scorio getting betrayed and trapped for two years just feels like a cheap way to reset the clock and make everything awful for him again. Leonis and Lianshi dying feels weirdly empty for how much it hurts Scorio, especially given it was done off-screen. The Scorio/Jova dynamic that was perhaps the most enjoyable characterisation of the book is pretty much entirely gone after the halfway mark because Jova ends up staying with the people who betrayed Scorio (though eventually realises how stupid she's being and joins back up, but there's not enough time for characterisation after that). Also, the events of the novel sort of feel like a weird bit of circling the drain, setting-wise. Scorio went out onto the Rascor Plains a few times, but ultimately ends the book setting out from Bastion yet again, albeit without anybody actually hunting him this time. We've also learned basically nothing about what the whole sort of greater secrets of Hell actually are, apart from the fact that the fiends have their own name for it and thus MAYBE aren't entirely their enemies?
Oh, also, just... An annoying amount of typos and using the wrong names/terms (house Manticore is a few times referred to as Basilisk which is a different group entirely, character's power ranks are fucked up sometimes, names are just used in the wrong place, a character named Dameon is initially called Damian in the text for one chapter and then is only Dameon after, just the wrong words being used, like "weight" instead of "wait") but that's sort of par for the course it seems. Not sure if I'll read the third book. Probably?

[Anonymous No.21871716]

Just started reading Lord of The Rings and what I'm noticing is that the prose is great without feeling like it tries super hard to be

[Anonymous No.21871732]

>>21868518
this is similar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA3OkBvESTI&list=PL2X2odndvaIfAUtHVAldv4Gp9RIBumMcn&index=1

[Anonymous No.21871751]

Give me your takes on Bayaz, the First of the Magi, Adua's protector, disciple of Juvens, eternal shepherd of The Union.

[Anonymous No.21871760]

>>21869235
Thank you, this looks cool!

[Anonymous No.21871801]

>>21870934
He popularized the idea of the dark forest. He didn't come up with it.

[Anonymous No.21871819]

>>21871801
I dont really care

[Anonymous No.21871836]

>>21869557
>>21869557
As I was listening to this, I closed my eyes and imagined myself in a fantasy world. So it got me thinking, your point is mute because the only reason this music invokes a sense of wonder and "fantasy" is because of the images and concepts, which were communicated through language, that have been associated with it. i.e the film.

Come on bro this isnt reddit. The music is great though but it is the images.

[Anonymous No.21871844]

>>21871836
Youre correct, literature and music are two insanely disparate arts.

[Anonymous No.21871851]

>>21870152
looks AI made, ngl

[Anonymous No.21871885]

What are some fantasy books that have a wizard as main character and also has a shit ton of humour in it? I want to read some comedy fantasy, like clumsy wizards saying the wrong incantation and doing stupid shit.

[Anonymous No.21871897]

>>21871885
harry potter

[Anonymous No.21871899]

>>21871885
Reminds me of the wizards One-Eye and Goblin from Black Company, then again, that series is not primarily comedy.

[Anonymous No.21871900]

>>21871885
Cugel the Clever and Cugel's Saga.
Cugel, a dabbling wizard tries to take over an evil wizard's lab, shit goes south, now he has to fight his way back home and take revenge on the wizard.

[Anonymous No.21871921]

>>21871885
>>21871900
The whole Dying Earth series is mostly about weirdo wizards getting into humorous/bizarre situations, I think that's exactly what you are looking for.

[Anonymous No.21871924]

>>21868263
I haven't bought a book for myself in years.
Is there not one sci-fi or fantasy book that is not utterly rehashed tripe where the good guy/girl triumphs in the end ?

[Anonymous No.21871975]

>>21871885
Discworld, especially the Rincewind books

[Anonymous No.21871977]

>>21871885
Discworld has a few books like that. Rincewind in particular is an incompetent wizard but a REALLY good runner (because he's such a coward), though there's relatively few books actually starring him. The first two do but they're a bit weaker than the rest of the series.

[Anonymous No.21871994]

>>21871885
Waldo Rabbit
If I remember correctly, The Death Gate Cycle kinda has one silly wizard POV character.

[Anonymous No.21872051]

>1/3 of the book is just some solshit exposition dump
what did you guys think of it?

[Anonymous No.21872063]

>>21868263
What fantasy works handle transmutation magic and similar powers well? All I can think of is Fullmetal Alchemist.

[Anonymous No.21872066]

Saw Nine Princes of Amber and Dying Earth at the charity shop today, bought Dying Earth but left Nine Princes. Should I have bought it?

[Anonymous No.21872077]

>>21868263
I was waiting to post this.

[Anonymous No.21872100]

>>21869410
I read the first like thousand pages of this series but the constant battle with minimal character interaction or relationships made it somewhat boring.
I can only take so much of the protagonist constantly getting plunged into life or death battles with no rest.

[Anonymous No.21872105]

>>21872100
Yeah that's sort of my main issue with Unbound too, there's basically no 'downtime', and what little there is is quickly skipped over. Felix is just in a constant state of "shit's bad, fix it".

[Anonymous No.21872115]

>>21872066
you dodged a fucking bullet
if I can save even one person from making the mistake of reading Amber I will have a chance at going to heaven when I die

[Anonymous No.21872122]

ok bros i'm kind of bored of all the litrpg and progression fantasy i've been reading.
give me some good classic fantasy where the main character starts off as a farmboy or servant and becomes a hero.
like belgariad or wheel of time.

[Anonymous No.21872264]

>>21872077
and which author was this?

[Anonymous No.21872267]

>>21872122
The Obsidian Trilogy by Mercedes Lackey
The Chronicles of Prydain by Lloyd Alexander
you already mentioned Belgariad and WOT which are some of the best on that premise
Lord of the Rings, arguably
Star Wars novelizations, obviously
There's Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn by Tad Williams except it's very grimdark and anti-heroic and subversive and ultimately at the end the protag doesn't actually do anything but he becomes king anyway because of a plot twist at the literal last second, not that it matters because his followup trilogy destroys what remains of the world

those are the ones I've read anyway, though there are others that are interesting and I plan on trying eventually, like JV Jones' Book of Words trilogy

[Anonymous No.21872359]

Anything like Xenogears?

[Anonymous No.21872586]

>>21869089
recommending Way of Choices by Mao Ni

[Anonymous No.21872689]

Started picrel because apparently the last book is about to be finished

it's very high fantasy. has some pretty clunky prose but for whatever reason it's drawing me in all the same. I think it's because i read a ton of this kind of fantasy in high school so it's warmly nostalgic

does the series get better or worse as it goes along?

[Anonymous No.21872695]

>>21872689
>janny

[Anonymous No.21872735]

>>21872100
>>21872105
>not taking issue with the MC turning into a man/bear/pig/goat.
The absolute state of fantasists

[Anonymous No.21872738]

>>21872735
What?

[Anonymous No.21872754]

>>21869410
I didn't care for the series. It just seemed like a mashup of other litrpgs. So much so that I kept thinking I'd read it before. I wish I'd kept a list.

[Anonymous No.21872859]

>>21872738
>being this new

[Anonymous No.21872911]

>>21872359
Anima: Beyond Fantasy when the author stop being lazy and start writing the novels

[Anonymous No.21872918]

>>21872911
I was gonna say isn't that a tabletop RPG. Didn't even realise it would get novels.

[Anonymous No.21872934]

>>21872918
he have desires to publish novels for a while, but there are always delays

[Anonymous No.21872949]

>>21872934
What little I know of the setting (from playing the video game based on it) makes it SOUND interesting but I have no idea what novels would even BE.

[Anonymous No.21873065]

im halfway through this book and duarte did nothing wrong he is literally the best thing to happen to humanity and i hope he recovers soon
long live laconia

[Anonymous No.21873069]

>>21872689
I've heard it gets increasingly better as time goes on. Ngl I've been wanting to start this one too as the prospect of a dense thick fantasy series is very enticing.

[Anonymous No.21873108]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wof4C8VZP4Q
goblinhaters... he's gotten too cocky and powerful...

[Anonymous No.21873178]

>>21873065
"Greater Good" arguments are terrible, especially when they were as misguided as he was. He could've been the absolute worst thing to happen to humanity.

[Anonymous No.21873211]

>>21873178
yes but as far as i am he didn't tho and with his immortality plan no asshole could never take his place and turn everything to shit

[Anonymous No.21873559]

Kalindora is still alive
Darrow and Cassius will be on Europa in the Rim
Obisdians are heading to the rim to gangbang the Moonies
>4 months
I can't wait bros

[Anonymous No.21873616]

>>21868610
Based. Let me know when you publish something and I'll buy it.

[Anonymous No.21873638]

>>21870588
it's not bad, or at least not any worse than PON, but every sub-plotline has a definite low-point. Also the sranc are more prominent, so the sexual themes have gotten even more suffocating.

I'll add that it feels a lot more like a fantasy than PON, basically the setting progression that GRRM was going for (grounded fantasy to high fantasy) but with the world-building and finished books to really capitalize on it.

[Anonymous No.21873643]

>>21873065
Hes playing with technology that his scientists barely understand. As you would expect, this goes perfectlt fine and doesnt end in almost triggering an interdimensional invasion.

[Anonymous No.21873651]

New reading list boys.

[Anonymous No.21873677]

What am I getting baited into?

[Anonymous No.21873725]

>>21873651
surely you mean list of books to put in the fireplace

[Anonymous No.21873739]

>>21873677
Actually pretty good books. Interesting enough world, likeable enough characters - I read all the way up to book 7 to get myself out of a depressive rut. Only stopped reading because I spoiled further books for myself and decided I didn't like where the story went from there on.

[Anonymous No.21873914]

Comes out tomorrow
Expectations?
Path to ascendancy series has been some of my favorite of all the Malazan books.

[Anonymous No.21873947]

>>21873651
>arthuriana
we just making shit up now?

[Anonymous No.21873954]

>>21873947
I assume arthuriana is some pozzed sex swapped arthurian

[Anonymous No.21873957]

Just got Mother of Learning ARC 4 on amazon, time to read KINO

[Anonymous No.21873968]

Heard you talking shit about the cosmere? About my 500k USD home theater where I bring my friends to watch musicals? Huh, squirt?

[Anonymous No.21873990]

>>21873914
thank you but im not trans

[Anonymous No.21874041]

>>21873947
I think "Arthuriana" is a term to refer to Arthurian legendry as a whole, the way "Americana" refers to American emblematic paraphernalia. I'm pretty sure the nigress and the eagle on the cover are part of the "to" in between "Arthuriana" and "Space Opera" and has nothing to do with either.

[Anonymous No.21874179]

>>21873990
>Malazan is for trannies

/sffg/ has changed desu

[Anonymous No.21874188]

>>21874041
>the way "Americana" refers to American emblematic paraphernalia
Yeah, we has that. We called it fucking arthurian.

[Anonymous No.21874196]

>>21870908
There is no such thing as good recent fantasy/sci-fi book.

[Anonymous No.21874204]

>>21873914
AI Art cover

[Anonymous No.21874205]

>>21874196
The licanius trilogy was good. And the authors next book (the will of the many) is looking good.

[Anonymous No.21874206]

>>21873947
>>21873954
Juliet E. McKenna retells the familiar Arthuriana epic through the eyes of enchantress Nimue, who possesses the same magic as Merlin but has more scruples than he does about interfering in mortal lives. So while Merlin helps Uther Pendragon trick the lady Ygraine into conceiving Arthur, Nimue is by Ygraine’s side, disguised as her handmaiden.

While the saga’s familiar male characters—Merlin, Uther, Arthur, Lancelot, Mordred—make their big moves through the rhythms of war, The Cleaving focuses on the women’s work and equally vital intrigues back at court. When Arthur’s half-sister Morgana and future wife Guinevere are brought into the mix, Nimue’s interactions with each provide additional context as to why both women make such dangerous choices that will eventually spell the fall of Camelot.

[Anonymous No.21874211]

>>21874205
Yeah, I read The Will of the Many a while ago and thought it was pretty good.

[Anonymous No.21874220]

>>21874211
Come again?

[Anonymous No.21874222]

>>21874206
>Arthuriana
This doesnt work gramatically, syntaxically, linguistially, morally, objectively or spiritually.

[Anonymous No.21874225]

>>21874220
>>/lit/thread/S21635354#p21636452

[Anonymous No.21874230]

>>21873914
erikson is too nice to let his buddy have his own little section of the malazan world

[Anonymous No.21874235]

>>21874225
You bastard, I hate you. How do I become like you? Fuck you.

[Anonymous No.21874238]

>>21874230
I don't get it, esslemont has a large portion of the Malazan universe, do you mean Erikson is being a dick by not trying to restrict him?

[Anonymous No.21874241]

>>21874235
Join NetGalley, request the book, and hope they allow you to read it.

[Anonymous No.21874256]

>>21870908
I literally won't read this and I blame the fags who have spammed sffg with chinkshit comics for the past years, I can't help but think I'm being rused into some wuxia power fantasy if I read it

[Anonymous No.21874260]

>>21870812
I considered reading this soon as it released, but other stuff came up. Maybe I'll read it after I wake up. Cradle is ok, but I haven't managed to read any of his other work because it seemed a lot less enjoyable. I assume I'll feel the same way about this as well.

[Anonymous No.21874290]

>>21874256
Its literally just a sci fi novel, zero wuxia shit

[Anonymous No.21874368]

>>21873947
How new are (you)?
Arthur Ian has been a term to describe stuff that is or similar to King Arthur.

[Anonymous No.21874388]

>>21874368
Arthurian, not arthuriana.

[Anonymous No.21874400]

>>21874290
Can't trust you desu

[Anonymous No.21874422]

>>21873914
I tried a couple of times to get into Malazan but for some reason the first few books filter me.
Which is weird cos i can do tolkien, herbert sanderson, jordan and mcafery fine.

[Anonymous No.21874458]

>>21873990
You're a fag thou

[Anonymous No.21874462]

>>21874400
Anon i just dont know what to tell you. In the first book there is this thing with a vr game where the main character has to solve some sciency problems like the stellar patterns of a planet and how the life on the plabet adapted to survive. Thats about as "wuxia" as it gets, which as im sure you can see isnt very wuxia at all.
Oh! In the third (or second) book, one of the characters goes through this "old chinese dude" phase and becomes kind of a monk.

[Anonymous No.21874466]

I'm trying to figure out where to go next in this novella I'm working on. I usually start with a cool ending and work backwards, with the story being how the characters arrive at the cool ending, because when I don't do that, I often spin my wheels, not knowing how to end it.

Well, that happened this time because I thought of a neat premise I could not resist, so I broke my ending-first rule and now I have the premise fleshed out with all the fun world building I wanted to do, but no idea where to go with it.

[Anonymous No.21874469]

>>21874466
Do you at least have characters?

[Anonymous No.21874476]

>>21874469

Yes I have characters and a setting, I'm 17 pages in. The stage is set but I didn't plan an actual plot beyond the worldbuilding. I was excited by the premise to the point of tripping over my own dick to put it all down on paper and never considered what the actual story would be after that. I used to do this often when I was starting out but thought I was past that.

[Anonymous No.21874568]

>>21874476
Cool, now just throw shit at your characters. Relate it to the lore of the world, or the characters backstory, or throw something at them that hinders their goals.

[Alex Beyman No.21874589]

>>21874568

Here's a WIP for context: https://write.as/ix7cko4dwqknd.md

It's hard to imagine goals for a kid growing up in an unavoidably doomed world. There's still civilization but it's only sort of hanging on in defiance of what's obvious to her, that there's no future for her or anybody else and they'd all be better off going quietly into the night, but the human self preservation instinct refuses it. I was thinking tentatively that she gets radicalized online by antinatalists into "helping put people out of their misery" believing she's a sort of angel of mercy

[Alex Beyman No.21874593]

>>21874568

Here's a WIP for context: https://write.as/ibl6cla2oa4zh.md

It's hard to imagine goals for a kid growing up in an unavoidably doomed world. There's still civilization but it's only sort of hanging on in defiance of what's obvious to her, that there's no future for her or anybody else and they'd all be better off going quietly into the night, but the human self preservation instinct refuses it. I was thinking tentatively that she gets radicalized online by antinatalists into "helping put people out of their misery" believing she's a sort of angel of mercy

[Anonymous No.21874603]

>>21874593
>there's no future for her or anybody else and they'd all be better off going quietly into the night
Then start her out at rock bottom. She gets more self destructive, hoping that one of these times she dies. But instead she finds some reason to keep living, and make the story about her struggle to rise higher.

>gets radicalized
>put people out of their mercy
>eventually find someone you dont want to kill
>now has to fight her fellow antinatalists and the people who radicalized her to protect this person
A real angle of mercy, if you will.

[Alex Beyman No.21874606]

>>21874603

Hm, I like it. Did you read the sample?

[Anonymous No.21874626]

>>21874606
No im at work rn

[Anonymous No.21874655]

>>21874476
>>21874466
go
>>21868425

[Anonymous No.21874715]

>>21874655
I disagree, if its sci fi or fantasy i think writer anons should come here.

[Anonymous No.21874747]

>>21874715
well its a good thing you dont make the rules now isnt it.

[Anonymous No.21874775]

>>21874747
There are no rules regarding this.

[Anonymous No.21874779]

>>21874747
He's talking about a fantasy story so it is relevant to the thread topic.

[Anonymous No.21874790]

I just dropped the book I was reading in a huge puddle right outside my building at work. Now I get to see if it will dry next to the heater before it gets light enough to read.

[Anonymous No.21874824]

I want modern fantasy with the same wistful tone as Dunsany. Starting to believe nothing exists along those lines

[Anonymous No.21874825]

>>21874779
>>21874775
self advertisement is a nono and if its a writing question it belongs in the /wg/ - writing general.
If its a published SF or fantasy work that's fine provided they are not asking anons to do anything with it. Otherwise every thread on /lit/ will just turn into a cross-pollinating shitfest...well more then they already are.

[Anonymous No.21874831]

>>21874825
>A bloo bloo you have to do what the general threads say
Generals are cancer, even this one. Go cry on IRC if you want it policed. Otherwise it's on topic. I don't give a fuck that there's a different thread that demands I post there instead.

[Anonymous No.21874835]

>>21874825
>advertising
What is he selling, anon?

[Anonymous No.21874864]

>>21874825
>self advertisement is a nono and if its a writing question it belongs in the /wg/ - writing general.
Where in the OP does it say that?

[Anonymous No.21874884]

Are there any decent utopian SciFi novels?

[Anonymous No.21874888]

>>21874825
Glassesemoji.jpg

[Anonymous No.21875183]

>>21868263
I'm going to read the Gnostic scriptures alongside The Gormenghast Trilogy and there's nothing Yldabaoth can do about it.

[Anonymous No.21875203]

>>21873559
Genuinely can't read this before it's finished because it's stressful as fuck not knowing what's going to happen

[Anonymous No.21875267]

>>21873559
after having the republic getting royally fucked up, it will be interesting to see how society remnant collapses or something with Lysander in order to balance things out for the next book after light bringer

[Sage No.21875304]

>>21874188
Arthurian is an adjective.

[Anonymous No.21875350]

>>21875304
See >>21874206

[Anonymous No.21875408]

>>21875183
that's fine, Gormenghast was written expressly for schizotypals who can read Gnostic liturgy without laughing

[Anonymous No.21875457]

If I can notice an author overusing certain words to death how couldn't the editor see it? Isn't that their job?

[Anonymous No.21875465]

>>21875457
Maybe they don't consider it to be as massive a flaw as you do.

[Anonymous No.21875468]

>>21875457
How can thing that bothers me specifically not bother everyone else?

[Anonymous No.21875476]

>>21875457
Editors arent supposed to fix your writing, theyre just meant to clean up any glaring syntax/format/pacing errors.

Shit prose is the authors style, if the editor wants to fix it they may as well just write their own damn story.

[Anonymous No.21875484]

>>21875476
That's a line editor. There are various types. That's basically a more involved proofreader.

[Anonymous No.21875489]

>>21875457
>We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender

What was Churchill thinking with this speech? He's repeating himself to death!

[Anonymous No.21875490]

>>21875484
Yeah, what do you think editors are. Your third grade english teacher, holding your hand while you write a one page story?

[Anonymous No.21875492]

>>21875489
To be fair, thats not "overusing certain words to death". Its "overusing certain words to great effect".

[Anonymous No.21875497]

>>21875489
You know this is not at all what I'm talking about you dishonest fuck.

[Anonymous No.21875507]

>>21875490
Developmental editors exist.

[Anonymous No.21875520]

>>21875497
Cry me a river.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_(typography)

[Anonymous No.21875521]

'Bout 50 pages into this. Shit's great so far, especially the characterization of Simon.

[Anonymous No.21875542]

>>21875507
Anon those are called moms

[Anonymous No.21875545]

>>21875520
This does actually trigger the shit out of me. Rips me right out of whatever book im reading. Its like a commercial break, it reminds you youre reading a book.

[Anonymous No.21875565]

>>21871412
No one read this?

Just finished pic related, was pretty meh.
More of a love story than anything else, could of been much sorter even though it is already only 170 pages that you can skip over most of what is being said.

[Anonymous No.21875568]

>>21875408
Good. Go worship your foreskin eating Volcano god, normie.

[Anonymous No.21875606]

Reading through the Stormlight Archive right now. Does Kaladin actually get with anyone or does he just stay single forever like me

[Anonymous No.21875616]

>>21875606
He has an off-screen fling with a girl during a between-books time skip but otherwise no it's mostly just him and Syl.

[Anonymous No.21875631]

>>21875521
That's what I thought too, unfortunately the entire series takes a huge fucking nosedive in about another 50 pages and never recovers for the next 2500. You made a huge mistake starting Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn unless you enjoy cripplingly depressing shaggy dog stories.

[Anonymous No.21875632]

>>21875616
Based, hope that continues. Don’t think he really needs a love interest as long as he has Syl and the whole love triangle bit with Adolin and Shallan was cringe

[Anonymous No.21875636]

>>21875521
I had to drop this after the cucking happened

[Anonymous No.21875645]

>>21874835
shit anon, hes selling shit.
>>21874864
globalhomo board rules.
>>21875606
Stop reading right now!
However you imagine the story is going to turn out like is far better then the morman simp has actually written. It's not like Mistorn where he gets better as the series goes on. blease beleive me anon, it's your only hope!

[Anonymous No.21875651]

>>21875636
him taking up the used goods after was disturbing

[Anonymous No.21875664]

>>21875521
Based

[Anonymous No.21875666]

>>21875636
the "cucking" happens in the final book, you've already read nearly 2000 pages of trash by then and some hoity-toity princess telling the farmboy she's not a virgin and doesn't want to fuck him is somehow the thing that soured you on the series?

[Anonymous No.21875668]

>>21875651
Yeah he even got upset after hearing about it but ends up with her anyways

[Anonymous No.21875674]

>>21875666
I dropped it as soon as she had sex with the guy in book two.

[Anonymous No.21875689]

>>21875645
I might actually drop it for now. I read through two books and enjoyed it but it doesn’t actually feel like any of the main characters are in any danger. Might pick up back up after the 5th book is released

[Anonymous No.21875694]

>>21875674
I'm not sure if that's better for saving yourself from being subjected to the rest of the bad story, or if it's worse for being so brainrotted you think a woman choosing to have sex with a hot chad prince over some dirty nerd servant she friendzoned in book one is somehow "cuckoldry"
Simon's a simp for sure, but he by definition can't be a cuck since he never had the remotest possible claim on Princess Miriamele's vagania until the very last page of the book where Prince Josua says "Seoman you have to fuck my daughter and continue the Lackhand bloodline"

[Anonymous No.21875703]

>>21875694
>but he by definition can't be a cuck since he never had the remotest possible claim on Princess Miriamele
I honestly just feel sorry for you.

[Anonymous No.21875716]

>>21875694
She was literally the only love interest for Simon in the entire series. As soon as she slept with the other guy it was Simon getting cucked. Anyone with a brain could figure out the two were going to get together in the end, and unfortunately for Simon he got used goods. Who knows how many times she was creampied on that ship

[Anonymous No.21875729]

>>21875694
Don't care. If the love interest of the protagonist has or had sexual relations with any other person, including being raped, it is a cuck story and I'm not going to read it.

[Anonymous No.21875744]

>>21875729
Based. Unfortunately western fantasy authors nowadays love making the protagonist a cuck. They’ll make then protagonist a pure honorable virgin and pair him up with a whore.

[Anonymous No.21875761]

>>21875703
You are a cuck for letting other women have sex with men who aren't you
You even let your own mother have sex with your father instead of you in order to conceive you, that is the ultimate and final cuck

[Anonymous No.21875771]

>>21875716
She wasn't a love interest at all, she was always totally off-limits, and Simon was deluding himself ever thinking they could be anything more than friends, until suddenly at the last second, after subverting every other possible expectation under the sun, the author decides to subvert the subversion and carry on the standard trope of the hero getting the girl by literary fiat in one of the most flagrant and shameless examples of Deus Ex Machina ever put to print, even accounting for those fantasy stories with actual God intervening directly in the plot
It's not cuckoldry, it's just plain stupidity and bad writing

[Anonymous No.21875776]

>>21870426
gummy smiles disgust me

[Anonymous No.21875782]

>>21875771
If she's the love interest of the protagonist, even if it's one-sided, and she fucks someone else, it's cuckshit.

[Anonymous No.21875788]

>>21875782
Addendum: the exception would be if the character is not the true primary love interest. For example if the protagonist has feelings for her, but she doesn't like him and fucks someone else, but the protagonist ends up with a different woman who is pure. It think most people would accept that, though perhaps begrudgingly.

[Anonymous No.21875797]

>>21875771
Not sure how you can delude yourself into thinking she wasn’t a love interest. Even she thought about him multiple times throughout the books. They go through a life threatening quest together to reach Naglimund, she gives him her scarf which he treasures, she and he both think about each other after they separate.

Literally the only romance option for them was each other and Williams really drove that point home to the reader. Sure their status/class was a hurdle but this is fantasy and the reader is kept wondering how they’ll overcome that. Unfortunately for Simon the princess is a whore and opened her legs for some guy she just met because he’s handsome

[Anonymous No.21875821]

>>21875771
Did you even read the book??? Of course she was a love interest. Every time the topic of women or love is brought up Simon thinks of her. Sure she’s painted as unattainable in Simon’s mind since she’s a princess , but that doesn’t exclude her as a potential love interest story wise. Not sure if you’re just arguing for the sake of it or if you just have a bad memory

[Anonymous No.21875834]

>>21875788
This is what should’ve happened to Simon but unfortunately the only love interest for him in the entire series was the whore princess

[Anonymous No.21875837]

Gotta give the fantasy nerds a little taste of the real world so they don't get uppity and start thinking they shouldn't settle for being beta bucks for used goods.

[Anonymous No.21875842]

they hate sanderson because he's just a nerd who writes honest and wholesome fantasy and that's not allowed in this age of irony and cynicism

[Anonymous No.21875843]

>>21875821
I did read the book and I fucking hated it and I seem to be the only person who ever bitches about that dogshit author in these threads

[Anonymous No.21875845]

>>21875837
Tfw this poor soul will never know the spiritual fulfilment simply having standards can bring.

[Anonymous No.21875847]

>>21875843
Putting aside the cuck talk I do agree with you that the book as a whole was bad. A lot of POV characters didn’t felt needed, the pacing felt really slow at times, and the overall ending didn’t feel that satisfying.

[Anonymous No.21875850]

>>21875845
Your wife's virginity belongs to Chad and Chad alone.

[Anonymous No.21875851]

Incels really do be flocking to fantasy...

[Anonymous No.21875863]

>>21875842
I’m reading the Stormlight archive and liking it. Some of the scenes feel like something from an anime, like the scene of Kaladin coming and saving Dalinar after he gets his power up kek

[Anonymous No.21875865]

>>21875797
Bro, are you forgetting that Simon almost hooks up with a peasant girl at the ruined Sithi city? Are you forgetting the Sithi ara ara princess constantly sexually teasing him?

At the time she sleeps with the Nabani cunt, she doesn't even know if Simon is alive. She is also feeling completely hopeless and traumatized by the events she witnessed. You act like she is unrepentant whore, when her whole hang up with Simon later on is that she feels dirty and unworthy for him.

[Anonymous No.21875869]

>>21875865
Fuck off cuck faggot.

[Anonymous No.21875874]

>>21875863
all of mistborn 1st era is anime and that's fine

[Anonymous No.21875897]

>>21875865
Simon doesn’t even get close to hooking up with Aditu. He’s just flustered by her because she’s pretty and wears skimpy clothing and touches him. He also asks her for advice on how to bridge the gap with the princess since he believes her status outranks his, but she encourages him telling him of all the great things he’s done.

And yes the princess is a whore. Even if she was vulnerable at the time she still should have the presence of mind to not give up her virginity to some dude she just met. She wanted to fuck the guy since she first saw him. There’s a lot of emphasis on how handsome she thought he was throughout the entire time she’s on the ship, she even tells Simon this.

The princess should feel like a dirty whore because she is one

[Anonymous No.21875900]

>>21873559
I'm so glad the series ended with the Red Rising Trilogy. Would have been sad if you had a read some noir crime techno urban fantasy with a tranny daughter as a character.

[Anonymous No.21875904]

>>21875865
>mfw the sidhe princess going "HAHA WOULDN'T IT BE FUNNY IF YOU AND ME GOT MARRIED AND HAD SEX AND HAD LOTS OF HALF-ELVEN KIDS HAHA AS A JOKE HAHA" at Seoman
the sidhe scenes were the only worthwhile parts of those novels desu

[Anonymous No.21875922]

>>21875865
Almost hooking up and getting teased is not the same as giving up your virginity to some dude you just met. Not sure why you’re even comparing.

[Anonymous No.21875932]

>>21875922
Welcome to woman logic.

[Anonymous No.21875933]

>>21875900
Are only the first three books worth reading or are all of them necessary?

[Anonymous No.21875934]

>>21875922
the point is that Miriamele wasn't the sole and obvious love interest like
>>21875821
>>21875797
claimed

[Anonymous No.21875942]

>>21874241
This is based, thanks for sharing.

[Anonymous No.21875943]

I'm reading that new Will Wight book and the fucker pulled a xianxia joke on us.
>While all this takes time to describe, our attacks unloaded in the same handful of seconds.

[Anonymous No.21875951]

>>21875850
Well i took my wifes virginity so no...

[Anonymous No.21875954]

>>21875932
Not a tranny like you. Just not a purityfag and someone with a shred of empathy.

>>21875904
Those are pretty good. Best waifu in the books are Josua's bitch though.

>>21875922
The peasant bitch is just a Simon fangirl. He has no real connection with her besides this. So is it alright for him to waste his virginity on some random fangirl? If you are going to be a purityfag, then at least be consistent. No problem with purityfags that hold men and women to the same standards, which is actually pretty based, but I doubt most here are doing so.

>>21875934
That was my point.

[Anonymous No.21875955]

>>21875934
She was the primary love interest absolutely. Aditu I can sort of give you but anyone else is stretching it. The original point in >>21875771 how she isn’t a love interest at all is completely wrong. Miriamele is definitely a love interest, the main one obviously to the reader. Simon definitely gets cucked.

[Anonymous No.21875957]

>>21875631
I can just stop reading if it stops being enjoyable. It's not hard.
>>21875636
I don't believe that cucking happens. I think people who say this about books where the love interest isn't a virgin are just insecure. That's what I think you're doing.

[Anonymous No.21875963]

>>21875954
The point is that he doesn’t give up his virginity while Miriamele does. Not sure what you don’t get

[Anonymous No.21875966]

>reading fantasy with any kind of romance or love interests
go back to anime and manga for your wholesome virgin waifus

[Anonymous No.21875968]

>>21875957
Simon has a similar reaction when he hears about Miriamele fucking the guy. He storms out after hearing about it and gets angry thinking about her giving up her virginity to someone she doesn’t even love.

[Anonymous No.21875969]

>>21875963
He only doesn't fuck peasant girl because Aditu interrupts him, not because of some sort of self-restraint or moral high ground. Had Aditu not shown up, he would of been balls deep in the girl that night.

[Anonymous No.21875971]

>>21875951
Cringe

[Anonymous No.21875989]

>>21875966
this fantasy isn’t for insecure beta incels, leave if you can’t handle the thought of a woman having had sex

[Anonymous No.21875992]

>>21875968
I don't care.

[Anonymous No.21875994]

>>21875963
>he doesnt give up his virginity
he gets fucked in the ass by a gross evil retard instead

[Anonymous No.21876002]

>>21875968
He also gets over it after awhile.

[Anonymous No.21876021]

>>21876002
Not really? That entire plot point is sort of forgotten and never brought up again

[Anonymous No.21876034]

Reminder, it is entirely reasonable to sympathise with the main fucking character.

[Anonymous No.21876038]

>>21875992
Of course you wouldn’t care after being proven wrong.

[Anonymous No.21876052]

>>21875969
Speculation on your part. We don’t know if he’s fully go through with it all the way or not like Miriamele actually did. Simon even has a conversation with Aditu regarding sex and only doing it with someone you’re going to marry I believe so we do know that he has some sort of moral code

[Anonymous No.21876066]

>>21875954
Vorzheva is the best. I liked the way their romance was done better than Simon and Miramele

[Anonymous No.21876073]

>>21876052
Might be. Either way, I'm sick of arguing about this shit. If you think it's cucked, then good for you. If you think Miriamele's a whore, then I think she might even partly agree since she spends the last book being disgusted by her actions.

On a different note, does anyone has some paladin kino? Holy knights fighting monsters and evil demons?

[Anonymous No.21876082]

>>21876073
Maybe you’ve already read it since it’s pretty popular, but the Stormlight Archive is pretty close. I’ve mentioned it a few times in the thread that I’ve been reading it. Pretty enjoyable although I know Sanderson gets memed on a lot here

[Anonymous No.21876093]

>all these posts about getting cucked
>romance shit
Chuds pls go

[Anonymous No.21876096]

>>21876082
I haven't read any of Sanderson's stuff yet, but am open to it. I'm a bit skeptical from what I've heard of his approach to magic. It seems to make it too much like an anime power system or some fantasy science. I like my magic to be Romantic, mysterious, and/or dangerous. However, perhaps this is a false impression.

[Anonymous No.21876106]

I find it significant that /sffg/ posters are more angry about women having straight sex than they are with gay rape

[Anonymous No.21876109]

>>21876096
No you’re actually right, it basically is anime. That’s one of the reasons I like it actually. It’s a nice chance of pace from other fantasy where magic is very rare or not that grand in terms of scale

[Anonymous No.21876110]

>>21876106
>its just sex!
You either fundementally cannot understand the issue, or you are intentionally misrepresenting the complaint.

[Anonymous No.21876113]

>>21876106
they're about equal if they're happening to the protagonist, but I can think of a lot more examples of protags being cucked than raped

[Anonymous No.21876116]

>>21876110
I'm mocking the bakkerfags who adore their gay rape erotic literature while getting angry that women characters even exist in fiction

[Anonymous No.21876117]

>>21876096
It is a little anime, but in Stormlight at least it has an element of mystery to it, because in Stormlight the magic is basically just now coming back.

[Anonymous No.21876118]

>>21876106
It’s about feeling cucked. Has nothing to do with straight or gay sex. I will say though that I’m dropping a book if I even see a hint of gay

[Anonymous No.21876122]

>>21876116
>plural

[Anonymous No.21876125]

>>21876116
you're the type of guy that would pretend to see brokeback mountain by accident, and then get fake mad that there wasnt an explicit sex scene

[Anonymous No.21876128]

>>21876038
I don't think there's going to be a scene in this book where Simon's love interest has sex with another guy while he watches and I don't think you can convince me otherwise.

A guy being mad that the person he has a crush on has sex with another guy isn't cucking.

[Anonymous No.21876136]

>>21876128
>A guy being mad that the person he has a crush on has sex with another guy isn't cucking.
It literally is. That's what the cuck fetish is about, the emotional reaction you have to a woman you have feelings for being fucked by another man.

[Anonymous No.21876141]

>>21876128
I agree, but this whole conversation is pointless. No one will change each other's opinions. Better to just let the circle jerk die off. Or maybe I'm just a faggot.

[Anonymous No.21876145]

>>21876128
I'm not sure the accusation is towards the character, but rather implicit in the attitude of the author

[Anonymous No.21876150]

>>21876034
but you don't sympathise with anything
you instead want to live throught the character and thinking only good things should happen to him no matter what, that's not sympathy that's just ego stroking

[Anonymous No.21876151]

>>21876128
You’re using the fetish definition which is more modern times thing. A cuckold is basically used to describe a man whose significant other is unfaithful. Honestly the definition seems to change every time the word is used. But yes I would say Simon here feels cucked and thus his initial reaction

[Anonymous No.21876152]

>>21876136
If this is your definition of cucking, then almost every human being has been cucked. Almost everyone has an unrequited love/crush that fucks another person sometime in their life. Unless you are Chad Thundercock, this is just a fact.

[Anonymous No.21876156]

>>21876152
True, and I don't want to read about it. Maybe you like to read about it fap to it while you cry or whatever, but I don't.
>>21876150
Not only good things have to happen to him, but if the thing happening is him getting cucked then I don't want to read about it.

[Anonymous No.21876158]

>>21876152
Yeah that’s basically what the word has become. Everyone is a cuck.

[Anonymous No.21876161]

>>21876150
>bad thing happens to character
>this makes you feel bad
>that is somehow not sympathy
Youre somethin alright

[Anonymous No.21876167]

>>21876150
What are you even saying here? Do you even know what the word sympathize means?

[Anonymous No.21876168]

New thread wen?

[Anonymous No.21876172]

>>21876128
>A guy being mad that the person he has a crush on has sex with another guy isn't cucking.

That actually is what the word refers to nowadays, probably why it’s used son often

[Anonymous No.21876174]

>>21876150
>>21876152
Is it really that hard to understand that, for men who have no success at romance, they don't want to read about realistic shit they've experienced like having women they like fuck other dudes? Especially in a genre they're presumably reading because of its disconnect from reality? Are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.21876178]

>>21876174
No. Just find it pathetic.

[Anonymous No.21876179]

>>21876172
If people use it that way, then they believe having an unexpressed crush = holy matrimony and commitment
Goes to show how softheaded retards are now

[Anonymous No.21876181]

>>21876150
Your example is literally sympathy

[Anonymous No.21876182]

>>21876178
You can think whatever you want about it, but I'm not going to read your cuck books. Go prep your bull, anon.

[Anonymous No.21876183]

>>21876178
More pathetic than bitching about it on a vietnamese eyeglass forum?
Yeah idk about that one chief.

[Anonymous No.21876184]

>>21876172
Maybe that's how incels use the word, but in real life hardly anybody refers to cuckoldry. It's not in the modern vernacular except as a porn category.

[Anonymous No.21876185]

>>21876174
Exactly, well said. If the fantasy has cuckshit then I’m out

[Anonymous No.21876190]

>>21876182
Homie, I don't have any luck with bitches either. I'm still a 24 year old virgin, but I don't need an incel hugbox.

>>21876183
You are right about this. Won't lie.

[Anonymous No.21876191]

>>21876179
>having your crush taken is somehow equivilant to adultery
Anon... for fucks sake. The reason we dont like it is because it feels bad. As a reader, relating the main character, we feel a degree of sadness for this massive fucking L they experienced.
Is it really so confusing for you that we dont want to read about a guy getting snubbed?

[Anonymous No.21876192]

>>21876190
>Homie
Stopped reading there

[Anonymous No.21876193]

>>21876184
Where do you think you are? Of course the word would be used like incels use it here of all places.

[Anonymous No.21876194]

>>21876174
watch anime and manga for that shit then don't come here to fulfill your shitty desires and have your little ego stroked

[Anonymous No.21876196]

>>21876190
I honestly dont know how you can be an adult virgin, i chatted up a slampig in the 9th grade just to see what it was like.
We fucked for 4 hours on top of a boulder in the woods.
Sex is overrated.
Its also incredibly easy to get.
Women are whores these days, just cast a wide net.

[Anonymous No.21876199]

Ahem, I have an announcement to make.

Miramele is a whore and Simon got cucked.

[Anonymous No.21876201]

>>21876192
Why, did I remind you African Americans are a thing? Scotch-Irish and German ancestry by the way.

[Anonymous No.21876202]

>>21876194
I will simply not read cuck literature, sorry. The more you cry about it just confirms that you're a cuck fetishist.

[Anonymous No.21876205]

>>21876196
That's the thing. I don't want to fuck fatties. I know I could get pussy if I dropped my standards. Just don't want to.

[Anonymous No.21876206]

>>21876199
The board concurs

[Anonymous No.21876207]

>>21876191
I'm not sure what you gleaned from my post, but I think having your crush fucked, and being sad about it, to be on par with being a twelve year old girl on an emotional level. I also never sympathise nor empathise with main characters because I'm not a low IQ pleb who needs to self identify with characters for escapism. Read for the style, the substance, the plot, the form, not for believing you're McKnight the Bold.

[Anonymous No.21876211]

>>21876199
This. If a woman loses her virginity to someone other than her husband she is permanently filthy and defiled.

[Anonymous No.21876213]

>>21876205
I didnt mean fat. I wouldnt touch a fat bitch if my life depended on it. She was just trailer trash.

[Anonymous No.21876216]

>>21876202
ok?
you don't have to be vocal about your resentment towards certain tropes if there's entire media that doesn't have a hint of it

[Anonymous No.21876217]

>>21876211
This but unironically

[Anonymous No.21876219]

>>21876207
>Bro, like, only emotionally mature people such as myself can enjoy having women fucked by other men
Good job cuckbro

[Anonymous No.21876220]

>>21876191
Someone you have a crush on sleeping with someone else isn't "this massive fucking L" unless you're an insecure man baby. In which case you deserve the mood your poorly-adjusted brain has placed you in.

[Anonymous No.21876223]

>>21876207
>to be on par with being a twelve year old girl on an emotional level.
>I also never sympathise nor empathise with main characters
So youre autistic...

No no thats good, weve gotten to the bottom of it. Its not that you dont get it, its that you cant get it.

[Anonymous No.21876226]

>>21876220
Spoken like a true low test cuck

[Anonymous No.21876227]

>>21876216
Neither do you have to whine when people don't like cuckshit like you do

[Anonymous No.21876231]

>>21876220
>Someone you have a crush on sleeping with someone else isn't "this massive fucking L"
Portland oregonian hands typed this post

[Anonymous No.21876233]

>>21876226
How much do you lift?

[Anonymous No.21876234]

>>21876207
You sound autistic.

[Anonymous No.21876235]

>>21876220
>She's dripping other men's cum out of her ass but I'm the one who gets to see her true smile ....

[Anonymous No.21876237]

>>21876226
jesus fuck you're mental
you're equating to what happens in finction to reality, where the fuck are living?

[Anonymous No.21876240]

>>21876220
Holy shit the people defending that were defending the princess are actually fucking cucks.

[Anonymous No.21876242]

Fellas, lets talk about fantasy and sci-fi alright

[Anonymous No.21876243]

>>21876235
KVVOOOOTTTHHHEE!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.21876246]

>>21876237
No you retard, hes equating our reactions to things to... our reactions to things.

[Anonymous No.21876248]

>>21876240
Always have been

[Anonymous No.21876251]

>>21876213
I probably get sex with women like that. My brother is able to pick them up in my area. Most people say I'm decent looking and have a good personality, but I just don't see the point unless I truly find the woman attractive on both a mental and physical level. There's many good looking women, but most seem to all be cardboard cutouts with no real personality or interests. If I want to fuck an inanimate object, I would just get a sex doll.

[Anonymous No.21876253]

>>21876242
Ngl I can't believe how much shit flinging me posting a picture of The Dragonbone Chair has caused in this thread. I did not expect this at all.

[Anonymous No.21876257]

>>21876242
I agree. Let us come together in our love of the genre and end this pointless bickering.

[Anonymous No.21876258]

>>21876253
Cucks will throw down and defend cuckoldry to the death. Anyone objecting to it is not allowed.

[Anonymous No.21876264]

>>21876253
WHEW I'm glad you let us know your post was [srs] and not a jest. :)

[Anonymous No.21876265]

>>21876258
I don't have a problem defending cuckoldry if you're going to define cuckoldry as "the girl I like had sex with someone who isn't me".

[Anonymous No.21876270]

>>21876265
That's literally what it is. Very common trope in NTR material. They don't have to actually be in a relationship.

[Anonymous No.21876271]

Thoughts on the Postman? I read it last summer and thought it was a nice adventure. Reads just like a Fallout novel.

[Anonymous No.21876272]

>>21876258
Which never made sense to me. How the most self degrading complexes inspire the most viscious self defense. I see this happen all the time with "male feminists". They act so passive and docile as a matter of course, but if you argue with them they turn into obese chihuauas.

[Anonymous No.21876276]

>>21876271
Does it have cuckoldry in it?

[Anonymous No.21876278]

>>21876265
Yes that’s what cucking has become. You can blame NTR hentai for this like >>21876270 said.

I remember a graph that showed how popular NTR has become with both men and women

[Anonymous No.21876280]

>>21876276
A man has the MC impregnate his wife since he is sterile from radiation, but it is a minor plot point. MC's real love interest is some crazy feminist bitch that gets herself and ton of women killed being commandos.

[Anonymous No.21876283]

>>21876280
Jesus christ i was joking, please tell me youre joking too.

[Anonymous No.21876284]

>>21876270
That's not "literally what it is", what it "literally" is, is when a man's WIFE cheats on him.

[Anonymous No.21876287]

>>21876284
Not what it means anymore in common parlance. If the term bothers you then assume everyone is saying NTR instead.

[Anonymous No.21876289]

>>21876283
what the fuck do you expect from dystopian cyberpunk science fiction, tradwifes stuck in the kitchen? you can't even get that from Victorian novels of manners

[Anonymous No.21876295]

>>21876284
Achhhhhhjtualllly retard, what it """literally""" is, is when a strangers child is inserted into your family and starves out your biological children.

[Anonymous No.21876296]

>>21876223
I've been to a psychiatrist and he told me I have no autistic traits. Lol.
>>21876219
>>21876234
You both sound like fat women.

[Anonymous No.21876299]

>>21876289
I expect wholesome adventure :(

[Anonymous No.21876302]

>>21876283
It is a plot point, but once more it literally happens and is never really brought up. The couple wants a kid and sees the MC, who wanders to town to town, as the best semen donor.

[Anonymous No.21876303]

>>21876296
I will never be a woman

[Anonymous No.21876304]

>>21876289
why is your guys response always either perfect mary sue love story or cucking?

isn't it fair to say you want a story that involves some flaws and challenges that don't involve particularly your love interest fucking someone else

[Anonymous No.21876305]

>>21876296
>and he told me I have no autistic traits.
Its not always easy to tell.
You can know a man for 20 years, and he can seem as neurotypical as they make em.
But one day you rest a hand on his shoulder for the first time for whatever reason and he has an aneurism.

[Anonymous No.21876309]

>>21876287
I'd even accept widening the definition to include cheating on someone you're in a relationship with. But considering yourself a cuck if someone you have a crush on sleeps with someone else? Reevaluate your life if you think that.

[Anonymous No.21876311]

>>21876304
Autistics dont really understand nuance

[Anonymous No.21876313]

>>21876299
If you want wholesome adventure then don't look to post-apocalyptic trash, read neo-pulp like Avengers of the Moon by Allen Steele

[Anonymous No.21876317]

>>21876313
Is it really too much to ask for a post-apocolyptic setting to be used to contrast the beauty and love of human life? As opposed to presuming to reflect some dirty nature?

[Anonymous No.21876320]

>>21876305
I have impaired empathy from schizophrenia but I understand how emotional arcs work merely from the fact I know what 'good feelings' are compared to 'bad feelings' on a spectrum, or through a plot of "rags to riches" aka "cinderella" arcs.
If anything, projecting your power fantasies into a fictional world is autistic because it's self-centred.

[Anonymous No.21876326]

>>21876304
i don’t care what sort of situation they’re in if the primary love interest fucks someone else that’s not the main character it’s cuckshit and i’m dropping it.

[Anonymous No.21876328]

>>21876317
The Postman is actually about how humans, when united by a noble ideal, even a false one, can rally together and create a new society and recover from tragedy.

If you think its a grimdark story because a mutated, sterile man and his wife want to have the MC act as a glorified semen donor, then you do you.

[Anonymous No.21876339]

>>21876304
Newfags since ~2012 who spam cuck always use it incorrectly, like many other buzzwords. It's probably the same guy who thinks Carl is a cuck since he's throwing an autistic tantrum.

[Anonymous No.21876340]

>I'm not autistic, I'm schizophrenic
actual decent troll holy kek

[Anonymous No.21876352]

>>21876340
Try again, faggot.

[Anonymous No.21876356]

>>21876339
I can't think of any reason an author would write the protagonists love interest fucking another man other than him being a cuck
theres so many other directions you could go

[Anonymous No.21876375]

>>21876356
Probably for “realism” can’t have the protagonist get his pure virgin waifu. He will get a non virgin like most men in the real world do

[Anonymous No.21876379]

>>21876375
why would anyone appeal to realism in a scifi/fantasy story

[Anonymous No.21876382]

>>21876379
Ask the cuck authors

[Anonymous No.21876388]

Man what a wonderful day on /sffg/ can't wait to discuss what is and isn't cuckoldry for half the thread.

[Anonymous No.21876413]

>>21876388
There's nothing stopping you from leaving the thread and reading in your spare time. Quite funny that all of 4chan loves to shit on 4chan but they never want to put in the work to be properly productive or happy in real life.

[Anonymous No.21876433]

>>21876388
Cuckspammer being on meds this entire time explains a lot. What anti-psychotic meds do you think our prominent not!tripfag is on?
>>21876413
>all of 4chan
>they
There's nothing stopping you from returning to whichever social-aggregate you came from where you can laugh about what a bad and dumb place '4chan' is.

[Anonymous No.21876437]

>>21876413
I was mainly staying to see the shitshow, but you are right about that. I spend too much time online and not enough time reading. Thank you, anon.

[Anonymous No.21876448]

>>21876433
>There's nothing stopping you from returning to whichever social-aggregate you came from where you can laugh about what a bad and dumb place '4chan' is.
I don't like social media, either, numb nuts. I just see no point in whinging about board quality when there's nothing stopping you from doing something else. And I don't take the anti psychotics. I just keep them handy so I can keep my driver's license.

[Anonymous No.21876450]

Make a new thread so I can start it off by talking about MST

[Anonymous No.21876583]

>>21876388
At least we aren't talking about The Wandering Inn

[Anonymous No.21876596]

Completely spamming after the bump limit? Is this some new strategy of thread denial?

[Anonymous No.21876607]

>>21876596
Since when did discussions end with bump limit? If you don't want this thread to be around, simply bump other threads behind it.

[Anonymous No.21876610]

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[Anonymous No.21876611]

New thread
>>21876609
>>21876609
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[Anonymous No.21876614]

>>21876611
>page 9
I shan't go to it.