/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.21840772]

>But Hemingway’s most notorious feud involved William Faulkner, who once claimed that Hemingway’s simplistic writing style did not require readers to use a dictionary. Never one to shy away from public scrutiny, Hemingway fired back: “Poor Faulkner. Does he really think big emotions come from big words?”
Who was in the right here? I admit, I often have to use a dictionary when reading Faulkner.

[Anonymous No.21840787]

Faulkner>Steinbeck>Hemingway

[Anonymous No.21840801]

>>21840772
I think that Hemingway is right to an extent, however, "big words" do have their value in adding colour to a work. It's a balance, really.

[Anonymous No.21840837]

>>21840772
both of them sound like retards here desu

[Anonymous No.21840877]

Hemingway’s problem isn’t his style but his characterization which never goes beyond journalist and breaks into true literary depth. His style is fine and sometimes has more gravity especially when he has knowledge of his subject it shows clarity instead of obfuscation. But his journalist-tier characterization (journalists always have to characterize people as “characters” rather than people) combined with his simplistic style can make him seem likes a news article which is what grates on Faulkner who detects the resemblance journalism has to goyslop literature since both have to pander to quick fixes rather than emotional intelligence

[Anonymous No.21840880]

If a reader has to consult a dictionary to look up a word, it better be precisely the right word. Sometimes it is and then it's worth it.

[Anonymous No.21840902]

>>21840877
Ironically iceberg theory was invented to impart depth and subtlety to his characters. Maybe you missed the whole of it.
>>21840772
Faulkner also requires the dictionary occasionally. Most of his words should be known to readers except for the occasional one.

[Anonymous No.21840904]

>>21840772
Neither, because it's a dumb argument to begin with. Their writing styles are just completely different, each having separate pros and cons. Though, I suppose if you really wanted to choose a winner of the argument, It'd be Faulkner since he was the better writer

[Anonymous No.21840916]

>>21840902
Iceberg theory in Hemingway more relates to authorial knowledge of culture, manner of speech, geography, technical matters, etc. This is where Hemingway’s realism excels. However iceberg theory applied to his characterization is pretty tenuous as his characters do and say very bold and dramatic things and the thoughts of the protagonist (though not other characters) are often elucidated but not really that deep

[Anonymous No.21840941]

they both respected each other and they were both deeply jealous of each other. Their opinions regarding each other's writing shouldn't be taken too seriously.

[Anonymous No.21840974]

>>21840902
>tfw your work is so under-developed that literary theorists have to invent a cope to pretend it’s good
>it’s… it’s like an ICEBERG goy-I mean guys… you only see the tip of it, there’s so much lying underneath the surface, just trust me goy the (((bergs))) know what’s best

[Anonymous No.21840983]

>>21840974
Anon, you're the person people see on this board and decide that it's not worth their time. Stop being intentionally stupid and obtuse. Anyone with even a half-functioning brain can tell that there's a lot going on under the surface in Hemingway's writing. I'm not even much of a fan of Hemingway, but I strongly dislike overly obnoxious people like you shitting up every thread with garbage, and quite frankly weird, opinions

[Anonymous No.21840990]

>>21840787
fpbp

[Anonymous No.21840992]

>>21840983
/lit/ is not for the faint of heart. If you can’t handle a shitpost, then you won’t be missed
I’ll go back to effortposting in an obscure Junger or Rorty thread now, which I always enjoy and never have any problems because I’m not a mopey cunt

[Anonymous No.21841050]

>>21840941
>they were both deeply jealous of each other
There's a difference though. Faulkner was jealous of Hemingway's popularity, but Hemingway was jealous of Faulkner's talent.

[Anonymous No.21841130]

>>21841050
Hemingway had no cause to be jealous of dimestore Joyce's talent when he was both friends with and admired by the real one.

[Anonymous No.21841135]

>>21841130
You're not on reddit, nigger. This is a Faulker board.

[Anonymous No.21841140]

>>21841135
Seethe cuckner fag

[Anonymous No.21841537]

>>21840772
>“Poor Faulkner. Does he really think big emotions come from big words?”
I read this first on Wikipedia, then read Sound and Fury. There's a spark of truth in this criticism. Remember the beginning of Quentin's chapter where his father's saying about time is quoted? It's basically what Hemingway says. The chapter starts and Faulkner is throwing these big words at you. It's somewhat unsubtle and more in the realm of telling than showing. Yeah, you can explore the theme of time, what is the nature of time, but you don't have start off with a bombastic quote about it.

[Anonymous No.21841904]

I finished The Sun Also Rises but could not finish The Sound and the Fury

[Anonymous No.21841985]

>>21840941
Wow, that is a shit cover

[Anonymous No.21842027]

>>21840974
>>21840992

Kill all poltards

[Anonymous No.21842033]

>>21841537
>No! You have to be mid like hemmingway!

[Anonymous No.21842067]

I haven’t really read Faulkner but this is one of the most beautiful books I have read in my life.

[Anonymous No.21842076]

>>21841537
>When the shadow of the sash appeared on the curtains it was between seven and eight o' clock and then I was in time again, hearing the watch. It was Grandfather's and when Father gave it to me he said I give you the mausoleum of all hope and desire; it's rather excruciating-ly apt that you will use it to gain the reducto absurdum of all human experience which can fit your individual needs no better than it fitted his or his father's. I give it to you not that you may remember time, but that you might forget it now and then for a moment and not spend all your breath trying to conquer it. Because no battle is ever won he said. They are not even fought. The field only reveals to man his own folly and despair, and victory is an illusion of philosophers and fools.

Maybe John Grisham is more your speed anon.

[Anonymous No.21842081]

>>21840772
There is beauty in using the perfect word that befits the tone and meaning of passage. If the perfect word is a rare one or if the perfect word is a simple one, it makes no difference, so long as it is the best possible choice. It is erroneous to take one extreme or the other, because you would be imposing artistic limitations on yourself for no reason.

[Anonymous No.21842089]

>>21842033
>>21842076
Doesn't seem like you were even able to comprehend my argument, which makes me doubt you understood Faulkner beyond any superficial reading. Maybe stick to Stephen King.

[Anonymous No.21842093]

>>21842076
lmaooo @ the anon that thinks these are big words /lit/ really is full of non-readers

[Anonymous No.21842096]

Faulkner was right.

Hemingway used to dress up as a woman and call his wife "daddy" whilst she fucked him. Also, one of his sons was a troon who killed himself.
Faulkner was the real deal

[Anonymous No.21842101]

>>21842096
>Hemingway used to dress up as a woman and call his wife "daddy" whilst she fucked him

um..seem’s kinda based to me anon

[Anonymous No.21842104]

>>21842096
Inb4 ban.
Those aren't tits they're moobs. This is a biological reality and non-negotiable.

If you ban me you're a tranny

[Anonymous No.21842109]

>>21842093
>I give you the mausoleum of all hope and desire
>reveals to man his own folly and despair
>victory is an illusion of philosophers and fools
>reducto absurdum of all human experience
I see no big words

[Anonymous No.21842117]

>>21840772
>Scott brought the book over. It had a garish dust jacket and I remember being embarrassed by the violence, bad taste and slippery look of it. It looked the book jacket for a book of bad science fiction. Scott told me not to be put off by it, that it had to do with a billboard along the highway in Long Island that was important in the story. I took it off to read the book.
All you need to know about this aestheticslet

[Anonymous No.21842118]

>>21842093
>/lit/ really is full of non-readers
Yeh. They got scared away when we got swarmed by /pol/cels, reddit refugees and election tourists in 2015

[Anonymous No.21842176]

>>21840787
Real

[Anonymous No.21842279]

Hemingway is an absolute retard, but Faulkner was wrong, pic rel is why.

[Anonymous No.21843889]

>>21841904
I thought The Dick Also Rises was also by Faulkner.

[Anonymous No.21843959]

>>21841904
I'm about halfway through The Sun Also Rises and plan to read either Sound and the Fury or As I Lay Dying after. Wish me luck I guess.

[Anonymous No.21844061]

>>21840877
>which never goes beyond journalist and breaks into true literary depth

Are you kidding? He can convey a whole life story without even overtly writing about it. Read Up in Michigan or A Clean Well Lighted Place.