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>Jews have Torah
>Christians have Bible
>Muslims have Quran
what scripture should Atheist follow to live a good and meaningful life?

>> No.21836979

Infinite Jest

>> No.21836996

>>21836934
White Fragility

>> No.21837005
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>>21836934
A chemistry textbook

>> No.21837029

>>21836934
Your own objective conclusions, don't be a faggot

>> No.21837090

>>21836934
A constantly updated book of sciences. Cosmology, astrophysics, geology, physics, mathematics, chemistry, biology, evolution, etc.

And another doozy volume on the humanities including history, archeology, anthropology, sociology, philosophy, political science, religious studies/theology, etc.

Atheism is the absence of a belief or faith in gods, afterlife and eternal soul. It isn't a church, though the sciences have been misused by the state for their own purposes, and weak minds tend towards near deification of things. We do tend to rest our beliefs on things, though they are changing. It is best, an atheist should say to themselves, to remain open minded and flexible.

>> No.21837114

>>21836934
the bible

>> No.21837138

>>21836934
Atheists can't have good or meaningful lives. They're all terminally retarded
>>21837090
But it can't include any real science that accounts for anything like how astrology works or what a soul is

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>>21836934
Saint Max

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>>21836934

>> No.21837220

>>21836934
Torah

>> No.21837228

>>21837138
>They're all terminally retarded

T. unwitting sand cultist

>> No.21837250

>>21836934
The ''Jews'' don't follow the Torah. That is why Christianity arose. ''Jews'' mostly follow the Talmud.

>> No.21837257

>>21836934
there are no atheists, dumb fuck. literally every god mentioned in history existed in some form or another

>> No.21837306

>>21837250
prove it

>> No.21837317

>>21836934
I'm free to pick any beliefs I want. Many of them come from Christianity. I can't consider myself an "atheist Christian" because Christianity is an Unitarian religion and I'm very racist. In fact, I have to denounce Christianity as an outdated and flawed system.

>> No.21837390

>>21836934
>a good and meaningful life?
>meaningful
Does life even have meaning for an atheist? As I understand it even if you go with the "create your own meaning" outlook on life we all realize that would be just running the clock waiting to die and disappear into oblivion

>> No.21837396

>>21837250
retarded post, the bad guys are the erev rav

>> No.21837404

>>21837390
Atheists don't have to stress over death, unlike most religionfags.

>> No.21837445

>>21837404
Sure whatever shrug it off but what does it mean to lead a meaningful life or even a good one if nothing matters? Just fuck around, be nice because that's the convenient and agreeable thing, and maybe if we keep this social contract thing going for another couple of centuries we'll achieve... Idk something

>> No.21837472

>>21837404
Atheists are not immortal.

>> No.21837474

>>21837090
>anthropology
Good books on that?
>>21837138
>or what a soul is
He mentioned theology though.

>> No.21837493

>>21837404
>Atheists don't have to stress over death,
You kind of do. That's the whole point of atheism, admitting you don't know what death brings. You basically have to live with Pascal's wager on a daily basis with respect to death.

>> No.21837495

>>21837493
>That's the whole point of atheism, admitting you don't know what death brings.
What?
You might be thinking about agnosticism.

>> No.21837498

>>21837495
I've never met an atheist who claims to know what death is.

>> No.21837510

>>21837498
They sort of reject even being alive with the denial of consciousness.

>> No.21838068

>>21836934
is that picture based on some specific work or just a meme?

>> No.21838078

>>21836934
I hate this fucking meme so much
>walks the same route and doesn't pay attention to his surroundings
>knows his city like the back of his hand
Do you not see the contradiction?

>> No.21838099

>>21837495
Y'know, the two aren't mutually-exclusive.

>> No.21838105

>>21836934
jews have the talmud, the hole old testament is christian because jews don't even belive in god anymore

>> No.21838116

>>21837029
>Your own conclusions
>Objective
Failed day one philosophy with this

>> No.21838140

>>21837445
Lead a life where you make a family, help your friends and enjoy yourself. These things are good by themselves. Needing them to be granted "meaning" through philosophy or some higher being is just idiocy. Plenty of people have lived fruitful, happy lives without ever thinking about any of the pointless shit that philosophy argues endlessly about. Like right now probably some faggot is going to say "oh but why ARE these things good? Without God, how can anything be objectively good? What does it mean to live a fruitful life? How do you define fruitful? Is it production, or pleasure?" Etc, etc. Literally the most pointless, worthless shit ever. Questions that by being asked only serve to waste everybody's time and make them feel empty.

You want to be smart? Just do what makes you happy.

>> No.21838145

>>21838140
>Just endlessy chase good feelings and don’t think about anything because it’s a waste of time
To live this way is live no differently than an animal.

>> No.21838165

>>21836934
>that pic
Literally me. I've been walking for 15 year now, ever since I became a NEET.

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>>21836934
The actual book of life.

>> No.21838176

>>21837090
Wouldn’t an open minded atheist be an agnostic?

>> No.21838181

>>21837404
If you don't stress over death you're just as ignorant as believers

>> No.21838192

>>21838145
>live no differently than an animal
That's literally what we are. Science has established this long ago

>> No.21838196

>>21838192
>Scientist man told me I’m just an animal
>Better dedicate the rest of my life to chasing the sensation of pleasure now

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Poetry and literature are more valuable than scripture or philosophy when it comes to living a moral, principled existence.

>> No.21838205

>>21838202
Explain why

>> No.21838223

>>21838196
If you have anything better that is objectively worth pursuing I'm all ears, but you will need a better argument than muh skydaddy told me so

>> No.21838237

>>21838223
You can believe that if you want, it doesn’t make a difference to me.

>> No.21838250

>>21836934
there is no book anyone can recommend to an atheist, because, even if the book is filled with moral truths, the individual atheist can just decide he doesn't like it, thereby shifting his moral beliefs, they are subhumans, and it's fun to laugh at them when their friend, relative or dog gets brutally flayed alive and you hit them with, according to my objective opinion and soience, the victim deserved it because it was of inferior genetic stock, praise darwin!

>> No.21838284

>>21838250
If you believed in God you would not find pleasure in something like that at all.

>> No.21838285

>>21838250
Another proof that abrahamists have always been sadistic types in moral disguise. Nietzsche said it all.

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>>21836934
Bataille, Nietzsche, Nagarjuna

>> No.21838318

>>21838285
>One guy is rude
>Hmph….looks like we have definitive proof my gay beliefs are true

>> No.21838320

>>21836934
>"do you need a ride?"
>"I don't NEED a ride"

>leaves his things all over town
>"I'll pick it up on my way back"

>takes detours

>I can smoke since I wark a lot

>> No.21838350

>>21836934
They should ask their god

>> No.21838408

>>21838205
If I have to explain it to you then you're not ready to see beyond the veil of ignorance.

>> No.21838446

>>21838408
So you don’t know.

>> No.21838458

>>21838176
should be a Buddhist

>> No.21838508

>>21838078
He always walks the same route along the entire city

>> No.21838540

>>21837090
>I hecking love basedence

>> No.21838727

>>21838237
It will when the atheist state-enforced cooming machines start being produced

>> No.21838733

>>21838078
Big difference between paying attention to your surroundings and knowing the geography or street layout of the area. You can learn the latter just by studying maps, and it doesn't imply you're aware of your surroundings when walking the route. No contradiction.

>> No.21838738

>>21836934
Thus Spoke Zarathusta

>> No.21838741

>>21838284
Why not? God doesn't exist so you have no idea what God is actually like by your own admission. Don't pretend you understand the Bible, either.

>> No.21838748

>>21838099
They are.

>> No.21838799
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>>21838202
>Poetry and literature are more valuable than scripture
They are not mutually exclusive. The bible is, after all, just a recycled Apollonius Rhodius, Homer plus some boring parts from Plato.

>> No.21838831

>>21836934
>what scripture should Atheist follow
CCRU Writings

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21838856

Personally, I just imagine what a cartoon frog would do and I just do that.

>> No.21838922

>>21838799
Of course not. There is much to be gained from both, but scripture will not teach you how to feel.

>> No.21838963

The Big Book of Reddit

>> No.21839063

>>21836934
just follow your favorite philosophy or Philosopher. Its ok when you change your way of living over time. Dogma is not needed.

>> No.21839133

>>21838741
I have never admitted anything you claim I have you retard.

>> No.21839186

>>21837005
Why would it be chemistry and not physics, being more general of the two? Your lack of formal education betrays your joke, christcuck.

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>>21836934

>> No.21839220

>>21839186
Reading the results of your blood test after a monkeypox piss orgy does not count as a formal scientific education but it's about as close as nearly all atheists will get to one.

>> No.21839224

>>21837250
Neither Christians nor Jews follow the Torah, Muslims are the closest

>> No.21839243
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>>21836934
>>21837114
Only anti-theists believe that their faithlessness precludes them from benefiting from the wealth of wisdom found in holy scripture.

There's a reason why great empires and countries are built on the church. Not a coincidence.

>> No.21839309

The World as Will and Representation

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>>21836934
>what scripture should Atheist follow to live a good and meaningful life?
This is as probably as closest they will get to having a scripture. God is dead and Richard Dawkins(pbuh) is his prophet

>> No.21839320

>>21839243
>great empires and countries are built on the church
i guess the gospel writers and all those early christers seething about the romans—the guys who built an empire so impressive we use all their vocabulary to describe any empire since—and seething repeatedly had no impression on you and your video game version of religion

>> No.21839329

>>21838250
Atheist =/= psychopath

>> No.21839346

>>21836934
The entire point is to not base your personality on a single book.

>> No.21839375

>>21836934
please delete this wojak meme right now

>> No.21839393

dopamine and serotonin
the brightest emotions are deeply tied to intersocial mechanisms (acceptance in the group, peoples smiles and attention to you)

>> No.21839441

>>21837228
Literally doesn't matter what you believe. Anything and everything is more intelligent than "nothing exploded.... now STOP QUESTIONING IT!!"

>> No.21839450

Why are there so many believers, why do people believe in god? Humans lived for thousands of years in tribes whose members decorated their houses with the skulls of their slain enemies believe this close him to gods, and any natural phenomena were explained by the gods kindness/anger. They passed on their genes mainly to those who willingly believed in all this garbage and the brain secreted the necessary substances, those who did not believe were expelled / killed by members of the tribe, because for the most part people then poorly understood the theory of games, manipulation and openly spoke about what they thought. Formed literally part of the brain responsible for "believe to mystically/god", which is probably closely intertwined with emotions, so that is responsible for the hierarchy / rank / subordination. Perhaps it is also closely intertwined with the fear of death.

Believe is purely genetic

Religion is a political and socio-economic project with a backlog for millennia ahead
Abrahamic religions - a political and socio-economic project of the most ancient Jewish elite patrons

Atheism is a mutation that has recently emerged by the standards of evolution, such as psychopathy.

A psychopath can turn empathy on and off at will, see the world under both poles.

An atheist can turn on and off thoughts about God and faith at will.

Agnosticism is neither higher nor more perfect than atheism, it is lower, it is a transitional degree from faith to atheism. The part of the brain responsible for faith has significantly weakened, but it still sends signals, because the agnostic still thinks, sometimes fears about what will happen after death.

>> No.21839520

>>21839450
There's one thing you'll find common with any olden society, in the world. Art and Religion.

>> No.21839817

>>21839450
You seem to be projecting friendo.

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>>21837474
I’ve just heard about Franz Boas, myself.

>>21837138
Cultural studies of superstitious people and their theology is included there. They’re a shameful part of our history too, just like schizophrenic people like you

>> No.21840619

>>21839133
So answer the question then.

>> No.21840631

>>21836934
>the walker
>three inch legs
Enough with the fucking wopjacks
Delete them all. Please, everyone.

>> No.21840647

Atheists have Hogg by Samuel Delaney.

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>>21836934
Those holy books are practically libraries in themselves. An Atheist's holy book would be composed of many books.
The Selfish Gene would make a good addition. It does a fantastic job relating game theory to zoology.

>> No.21840802

>>21837404
Stressing over death is programmed into your very biology. Regardless of how much you accept that death is inevitable, the animal part of you will fight back until it exhausts its means to.

>> No.21840806

>>21840572
I meant more introductory books to what Anthropology studies.

>> No.21840810

>>21838196
I bet you drink water when you're thirsty like the sheep you are.

>> No.21840819

>>21839243
>There's a reason why great empires and countries are built on the church
Opium of the masses allows for more mooks to do unified busywork

>> No.21840835

>>21839450
>Why are there so many believers
In order to have a sense of belonging.
>why do people believe in god
It's easy to imagine something greater than us in order to write off the meaning of the universe as none of our business.

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>>21836934

>> No.21840953

>>21838116
Was going to say this, more or less, lol.

>> No.21840956

all literature, art in general

>> No.21841027

>>21840819
>Opium of the masses
Atheism is heroin because it makes you think your actions and ergo your soul doesn't matter and you're just a dream watching a shadow rather than the infinite loving eternity. The former is a lie the latter is the truth and the truth requires work.

>> No.21841163

What part of atheism forbids atheists from using the Bible, torah, Koran or any book? Atheists can read the Bible and use it to live a good meaningful life, if they want to. The Atheist god doesn't exist and doesn't object to using sacred scripture.

>> No.21841188

>>21841163
>What part of atheism forbids atheists from using the Bible
The television and MSM they worship forbids them from studying the bible, they can never discount the torah and kroan though because that would be racist.

>> No.21841201

>>21838068
The Man Who Sleeps (1974)? The film was based on a novel iirc

>> No.21841501
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>>21841188
>The television and MSM they worship forbids them from studying the bible
Actually, the surest way to stop worship the bible, is to get the proper historical context on the bible. Instead of some ultimate source of truth, it becomes mere "platonism for the poor".

>> No.21841511

>>21836934
i'm writing one. beat me to it for maximum effect

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YZ2VhS-8wIiKG-PXkprBpPnGv1J7fRRr/

it's basically an addendum to religion with science and wisdom

>> No.21841515

>>21836934
Platos Republic

>> No.21842008

>>21838116
Nope, not contradictory.
Objectivism is the way

>> No.21842094

>>21837171
>doesn't believe in god
goes to hell
>complex social adaptation
we have those already, they're called laws and statues
>science bad philosophy good
that's why philosophy wallows in its own pity since the 19th century
>le based christian monks
arab did the same thing
>secular nations influenced by christian culture
the first secular nation was france, which thrashed and burned all religious items of significance, including the ashes of saint Genevieve
>muh islamic extremism
shouldn't have carved up the ottomans by supporting the arabs, and then not giving arabs what was promised
>muh nihilism
greeks and romans somehow managed to avoid it

tldr: sophist bullshit to make (you) feel important and le based, you should go back to /pol/

>> No.21842370

>>21841027
>because it makes you think your actions and ergo your soul doesn't matter
This is a terrible misunderstanding of it. Atheism doesn't automatically mean the most miserable version of nihilism. Sure, on a universal scale your actions and soul don't matter since they're drowned out by the background noise. However, on the personal scale they're the most important things in your world. It's all about perspective. We give the world meaning through our existence.

>> No.21842444

>>21838168
OH MY SCIENCE

>> No.21842564
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>>21837250
you're all the same anyway

>> No.21842764

>>21837166
Lol snowflake the book

>> No.21842767

>>21842370

>We give the world meaning through our existence

Doesn’t this imply tremendous narcissism? The world/universe is completely indifferent to us, as it should be

>> No.21842779

>>21839318
He’s only relevant due to marketing and some fellow shills picking up the shill tactics behind him

>> No.21842787

>>21842444
Spoiler alert: Genesis 1 was modelled after the Greek 4 elements theory (earth, water, air, fire + motion).
As such, it was considered the pinnacle of scientific thought.

The reason why you have 2(!) different creation accounts is because Genesis 1 is a natural philosophy cosmogony, while Genesis 2 is mythical zoogony/anthropogony. (and the rest of Genesis is politogony)
Because Plato did the same in Timaeus and its sequel Critias.

>> No.21842868

>>21837090
I don't even know whether that post is satire.

>> No.21843042

>>21842767
It's merely about meaning being relative to perspective. From the view of the infinite, we're practically infinitesimal. From a view on our own scale, we're rather significant.

>> No.21843819

>>21836996
surprised kek

>> No.21843849

>>21837090
>A constantly updated book of sciences. Cosmology, astrophysics, geology, physics, mathematics, chemistry, biology, evolution, etc.
All these sciences were created by Christians though?

>> No.21843859

>>21836934
There is no single scripture, isn't that the point? An atheist could find meaning in all three of those books without believing in the divine.

>> No.21843879

>>21843859
Yeah? What's the meaning then? Consooom le sacred texts until you die? Atheists are so deluded when they speak of meaning.

>> No.21843902

>>21836934
A scientist wouldn't feel ashamed to take any advice he liked from any of those books, if he needed it.

>> No.21843926

>>21843879
The books don't suddenly becoming meaningless to the reader if they don't believe in their god. someone with X beliefs could find meaning in a text written by someone with Y beliefs. the bible is probably the most important text in the western literary canon and that alone gives it meaning.

>> No.21843936

>>21843926
>t. doesn't even know what meaning is

>> No.21843956

>>21843936
i'm sorry my definition doesn't meet yours :(

>> No.21843962

>>21836934
"Verily, I advise you: depart from me, and guard yourselves against Zarathustra! And better still: be ashamed of him! Perhaps he hath deceived you.
The man of knowledge must be able not only to love his enemies, but also to hate his friends.
One requiteth a teacher badly if one remain merely a scholar. And why will ye not pluck at my wreath?
Ye venerate me; but what if your veneration should some day collapse? Take heed lest a statue crush you!
Ye say, ye believe in Zarathustra? But of what account is Zarathustra! Ye are my believers: but of what account are all believers!
Ye had not yet sought yourselves: then did ye find me. So do all believers; therefore all belief is of so little account.
Now do I bid you lose me and find yourselves; and only when ye have all denied me, will I return unto you.
Verily, with other eyes, my brethren, shall I then seek my lost ones; with another love shall I then love you."

>> No.21843967

>>21843956
The irony is the atheist doesn't even see the irony

>> No.21843988

>>21843879
>Consooom le sacred texts until you die?
"Insatiably striveth your soul for treasures and jewels, because your virtue is insatiable in desiring to bestow.
Ye constrain all things to flow towards you and into you, so that they shall flow back again out of your fountain as the gifts of your love.
Verily, an appropriator of all values must such bestowing love become; but healthy and holy, call I this selfishness.—
Another selfishness is there, an all-too-poor and hungry kind, which would always steal—the selfishness of the sick, the sickly selfishness.
With the eye of the thief it looketh upon all that is lustrous; with the craving of hunger it measureth him who hath abundance; and ever doth it prowl round the tables of bestowers.
Sickness speaketh in such craving, and invisible degeneration; of a sickly body, speaketh the larcenous craving of this selfishness.
Tell me, my brother, what do we think bad, and worst of all? Is it not degeneration?—And we always suspect degeneration when the bestowing soul is lacking.
Upward goeth our course from genera on to super-genera. But a horror to us is the degenerating sense, which saith: “All for myself.”
Upward soareth our sense: thus is it a simile of our body, a simile of an elevation. Such similes of elevations are the names of the virtues."

>> No.21844049

>>21843988
>"Insatiably striveth your soul
Atheists don't believe in souls.

>> No.21844054

>>21844049
"“Body am I, and soul”—so saith the child. And why should one not speak like children?
But the awakened one, the knowing one, saith: “Body am I entirely, and nothing more; and soul is only the name of something in the body.”
The body is a big sagacity, a plurality with one sense, a war and a peace, a flock and a shepherd.
An instrument of thy body is also thy little sagacity, my brother, which thou callest “spirit”—a little instrument and plaything of thy big sagacity.
“Ego,” sayest thou, and art proud of that word. But the greater thing—in which thou art unwilling to believe—is thy body with its big sagacity; it saith not “ego,” but doeth it."