/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.21790318]

The death of popular English literature has been understated.

[Anonymous No.21790322]

>with a whimper

[Anonymous No.21790323]

>>21790318
when men hating have consequences

[Anonymous No.21790325]

>shows Japanese literature
what did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.21790424]

>>21790318
>see posts like this on /lit/
>go to local waterstones
>go to table where they lay out fiction books
>see Lolita, Gravity's Rainbow, Stoner, No Longer Human, some Joyce, 100 years of solitude, some Dostoevsky, The Tropic of Cancer etc... alongside a few contemporary books ('The Goddess of Small things' and other stuff of the sort)
>stereotypical 15 year old woman with a friend walks by and picks up no longer human
>'wow, I loved this book. It's soooo good!'

touch grass anons

[Anonymous No.21790472]

>>21790424
and then you woke up

[Anonymous No.21790477]

>>21790424
Was Einstein there?

[Anonymous No.21790508]

>>21790424
Me redditbupzootbobligatory meme kekekke zoinks

[Anonymous No.21790615]

>>21790472
>>21790477
>>21790508
He's right you know, exactly this happens when I go to bookstores

[Anonymous No.21790678]

>>21790318
How does enjoying manga mean the death of literature lol

[Anonymous No.21790690]

I don't understand how weebs do it. You're paying $15+ per volume and you only get at most 90 minutes of reading out of it. Then you set it on your shelf and later go out to buy the next volume in the series, the whole of which can range to the hundreds of dollars if it's long-running, or it's an ongoing series you'll have to wait 4 months between volume releases.
Alternatively, you can spend a few bucks a month on a Viz or Kodansha subscription, or otherwise hop on nyaa for free, and read any number of series at your leisure. And if you read ongoing manga you'll never be months behind in discussion.

At least in Japan volumes cost equivalent to $5 per, so you can reasonably collect them in bulk. Localized manga is a money sink.

[Anonymous No.21790697]

>>21790690
Looks nice on a shelf

[Sage No.21790747]

I’m jelly. I wish I could find a manga section this massive. Did they have any junji ito manga? His work is definitely worth the 15 smeckles.

[Anonymous No.21790752]

>>21790690
>You're paying $15+ per volume and you only get at most 90 minutes of reading out of it.
Who quantifies pleasure though? Are you a robot?

[Anonymous No.21790777]

>>21790752
It's simply not worth as much as actual literature. With $15 you could get a handful of amazing used books that'll last you weeks, dense with ideas that 99.999% of manga don't even touch on. And they'll be complete, whereas a volume of manga is only a fraction of a series.

[Anonymous No.21790781]

>>21790777
Trips of truth

[Anonymous No.21790788]

I regret buying manga. I want to get rid of it and get more books or western comics.

[Anonymous No.21790858]

>>21790777
yeah usually about 20 manga pages isnt even one to two pages of a book.

[Anonymous No.21790862]

>>21790690
>in Japan volumes cost equivalent to $5 per
And that is brand new. Used bookstores sell them a dollar a pop.

[Anonymous No.21790892]

american comic books really fucked up

[Anonymous No.21790905]

>>21790892
Surely making Superman a fag will help?? Right, wokesisters?

[Anonymous No.21790938]

>>21790905
About three-quarters of new Marvel comic issues feature gay marriages. It's kind of weird.

[I V R I • N E M O !!GgBWHLRiayD No.21791023]

>>21790858


What a synchronicity: I am currently rewatching "Boogiepop Phantom" —I watched it for the first time approximately ten years ago—, and rewatched this episode approximately one hour ago.

[Anonymous No.21791037]

>>21790322
You are going to want to go ahead and pick up black hole by Charles burns OP thank me later

[Anonymous No.21791057]

>>21790690
C O N S O O M

[Anonymous No.21791076]

>>21790424
Is there grass in bookstores?

[Anonymous No.21791090]

>>21790424
north korean propaganda

[Anonymous No.21791091]

>>21790424
>>21790615
Y-you guys also met the no longer human 15 girl?

[Anonymous No.21791096]

I started getting into comic books recently and I don't I can go back to reading manga

[Anonymous No.21791164]

>>21791096
>don't think I can go back to reading manga
Sure you can, when you realize that there's a very small amount of western comics actually worth reading, and practically nothing good coming out

[Anonymous No.21791174]

>>21791091
I also met her. I’m scared bros

[Anonymous No.21791175]

[Anonymous No.21791187]

>>21790690
No one outside Japan buys all the manga they read. A physical copy is more of a collector's item to get for some of your favourite series.

[Anonymous No.21791198]

>>21791096
Kneel, gay man!
lol

[Anonymous No.21791218]

>>21791187
No, but I do buy light novels if it's a series I actually like a lot. If they're officially translated, it can be difficult to find a good digital version of them for free. I don't think any of my friends who read manga have ever paid for them, since they're so freely available online

[Anonymous No.21791254]

>>21790318
>2023
>Nobody gives a shit about western comic books
>You can't into the Asian market 'cuz how ridiculously saturated it already is
>also, language/cultural barrier
Sometimes it really does feel like one was simply born in the wrong country.

[Anonymous No.21791261]

>>21791254
Many people read Western comics. The fact that it’s less read than manga doesn’t mean nobody reads them.

[Anonymous No.21791270]

>>21791218
Are there LNs with prose that isn't on the level of shitty fanfiction? I've tried a few, but they are unbearable. I can't read more than one page.

[Anonymous No.21791285]

>>21790690
Same reason people buy physical books

[Anonymous No.21791286]

>>21790322
>Buys all 4 (four) copies of Batman Fortnite: Zero Point
>Leaves
>Reads all four

[Anonymous No.21791291]

>>21791270
There are actual Japanese novels and books which are alright. But light novels? Never.

[Anonymous No.21791313]

>>21791270
Spice and Wolf is pretty good. The prose isn't incredible by any means, but it's good enough for what it is and is competently written. The story is also very cozy with a lot of good characters

[Anonymous No.21791315]

>>21790424
bizarre but funny bait

[Anonymous No.21791347]

>>21791261
I know, but it feels kind of futile. I mean, looking at how fucking huge that Manga section is and how small the Graphic Novel section looks by comparison, it's like the store is telling you "You ain't Asian, don't even bother"

[Anonymous No.21791362]

>>21791270
Welcome to the NHK is relatable if nothing else. Written by an actual former-hikki.

[Anonymous No.21791364]

>>21791347
Are you suggesting this is the only bookstore in the world or something? lol

[Anonymous No.21791375]

>>21791347
It might not seem that way, but learning Japanese is actually humanly possible. And you don't need to be on the level of a native speaker to write on the level of manga/LNs or to live in Japan. Stop making excuses.

[Anonymous No.21791390]

>>21790938
You can always tell who the Jews are done ramping up against white people because they start queering them up to demoralize them again. Blacks and Asians were easy, the former because they are rootless and culturally demolished, the latter because their culture in America has always merely existed in its relationship to capitalism. The reason there aren’t endlessly gay Mexicans/ Latin Americans yet is because Catholicism makes your buck harder to break.

[Anonymous No.21791418]

>>21791175
there's no way that Pewdiepie reads the fucking phenomenology this year

[Anonymous No.21791506]

>>21791023

[Anonymous No.21791513]

>>21790318
wait wait wait wait. You're telling me comic books that are made to be widely appealing and simple to read are popular? you know the average person wasn't sitting down and reading Shakespeare all the time. it's always been a small group. and you can still find a bunch of classics in books stores they just also have other sections

[Anonymous No.21791541]

>>21791513
>reading shakespeare
you have no clue what the fuck you're talking about

[Anonymous No.21791720]

>>21791513
The funny thing is that the manga section absolutely mogs the comic book section in size. So comics even fail at being a popular medium.

[Anonymous No.21792046]

>>21791513
The point of the thread is that Americano comic books are essentially dead corpses, sometimes reanimated by kabbalistic necromancers to perform man-on-man sex.

[Anonymous No.21792071]

>>21792046
Comic books are too expensive to stock when most of them will be read three times by a kid before anyone buys them (at which point they may looked used and have fingerprints and creases). Manga is extremely cheap art and color and if a kid prefers to read it all in the bookstore at least the loss is not a problem whereas it is for a lot of full color comic books with serious artwork

[Anonymous No.21792863]

>>21791513
>wait wait wait wait. You're telling me
shotgun. mouth. now.

[Anonymous No.21793129]

>>21790424
I can assure you this is not the case in my university book store. It’s all progressives propaganda all the time.

[Anonymous No.21793165]

>>21790690
you're not wrong
manga is horribly overpriced here and they're so quick to read (unless you buy the collection one). And most of them go on and on forever so you need to keep buying them unless you want an incomplete series on your shelf. Japan it makes sense since it's cheap as hell

[Anonymous No.21793271]

>>21790690
Any time I read manga in the past I pirated it all online and read it on a tablet and then purchased on a few physical series that were my favorite and had interesting art like Blame!.

[Anonymous No.21793294]

>>21791037
You are going to want to go ahead and reread Black Hole. It's kind of cringe as an adult desu.

[Anonymous No.21793307]

>>21790318
The world is flooded with this shitty toilet paper, when good books are going to disappear

[Anonymous No.21793373]

>>21791315
it's not bait, but considering the answers I'm starting to think my local waterstones might be unusually based

[Anonymous No.21793397]

Mainstream bookstores are a joke. What do you expect? Every section is marketed towards retards. Even the history section is just books like
>DUDE LOOK AT THIS BOOK ABOUT THIS SICK CIVIL WAR BATTLE
>DUDE READ THIS REVISIONIST HISTORY BOOK ABOUT AN ALL BLACK REGIMENT THAT YOU NEVER HEARD OF BUT TRUST US, THEY TOTALLY HAD AN IMPACT ON HISTORY
>DUDE READ THIS NEW BIOGRAPHY OF NAPOLEON, WHICH WE PROMISE IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE LAST BIOGRAPHY OF NAPOLEON

[Anonymous No.21793410]

>>21790424
I'm 90% sure /lit/ ( a.k.a. r/truelit ) influenced booktok to a huge extent, and booktok influences big bookstore chains, which means /lit/ is more powerful than we think

[Anonymous No.21793430]

>>21790477
>>21790472
Last month I went to a party that had a lot of highschoolers (I'm 18) and a group og girls that were around 15-16 started making jokes about Gregorio Samsa and Kafka, I really think the average normie is more invested on classical literature than /lit/ likes to believe.

[Anonymous No.21793444]

>>21791513
>you know the average person wasn't sitting down and reading Shakespeare
This is not even true btw. Average, or at least middle class, people could readily quote Shakespeare only a few generations ago.

[Anonymous No.21793455]

>>21791513
I've found what Manga has affected at my store is the scifi section. Thing keeps Shrinking, Manga gets bigger.

Classics are untouched.

History section keeps shrinking as well but not due to manga

[Anonymous No.21793493]

>>21793430
They made jokes about it because of the "kafkaesque" meme that's going around. Lit jokes filter into common society but it doesn't mean they are actually invested or interested.

[Anonymous No.21793711]

>>21793455
What's killing history? I've found that non-fiction history is growing to be my favorite.

[Anonymous No.21793738]

>>21790424
Absolutely this. My local bookstore always has a bunch of people in it, checking out every section the store has, and the Barnes and Noble I go to has multiple people in every section of the store (besides the sparse philosophy section that Barnes and Noble should expand more)

[Anonymous No.21793754]

>>21793294
Nta, but it's probably the best choice out of all the garbage on those shelves.
Paper Girls and Saga are okay for kids (not a complete brain rot compared to superhero slop).
For quite some time I've been thinking about entertaining the possibility of starting to read From Hell, but haven't progressed very far in my entertainings. Is it any good?

[Anonymous No.21794510]

>>21790424
are you me?

This is exactly what happened to me at Unity books in Auckland, the same selection of books, and some asian girl was recommending no longer human to her friend.

[Anonymous No.21794915]

>>21790318
>>21790322
Canadian equivalent of Barnes and Nobles, Indigo only had a one tiny shelf on the back corner dedicated to manga 15 years ago now there's nothing but manga on their best sellers table front of their store, shit like Shonen Jump only catered to niche audience back then

[Anonymous No.21795973]

>>21790318
Majority of mangas are about retarded highschool dramas with random supernatural elements inserted for the sake of visuals. Its basically the same quality as capeshit.

[Anonymous No.21796413]

Ok I'll bite

Give me five legit good books published in the last five years

[Anonymous No.21796770]

>>21795973
You have to go back

[Anonymous No.21796813]

>>21796770
was he wrong?

[Anonymous No.21796820]

>>21790318
Books and book stores are almost exclusively for women. Literature is over.

[Anonymous No.21796821]

>>21794510
WTF

[Anonymous No.21796837]

>>21790424
>>21794510
>>21796821
No Longer Human have gotten viral in Tik Tok or something, I went to my major bookstore in my country (Indigo) and they had it in the very front of the store with alll the trendy books. I'm not even kidding

[Anonymous No.21796943]

>>21796837
Maybe they all read the manga adaptation. I have both. The manga was a gift from my sister actually.

[Anonymous No.21797768]

>>21790938
Full on genocide is a faux pas, so the Illuminati/World Bank/Club of Rome has ramped up the fag shut, incel propaganda, and dating app algorithms to a ten in order to depopulate the planet. It's a soft genocide to kill anyone gullible enough to troon out of otherwise voluntarily remove themselves from the genepool

[Anonymous No.21797777]

>>21796413
All of Roberto Calasso's manuscripts he was sitting on. There are like three of them that got rushed to print shortly after he died.

[Anonymous No.21797829]

>>21794510
>>21796821
>>21796837
>>21796943

[Anonymous No.21797871]

>>21797829
What the fuck is a booktok

[Anonymous No.21797879]

>>21790752
>Who quantifies pleasure though? Are you a robot?
My money has been debased 25% in the last 3 years. Even if you went from 100k/yr to 125k/yr, the fed who just debased your income steals 33% from that tax bracket so you actually took home 16.5k more not 25k, a net income loss. Everyone was demoted. Meanwhile manga is free online.

[Anonymous No.21797880]

>>21797871
books that are trendy on tik tok

[Anonymous No.21797904]

>>21796413
five i've especially liked:

>Kazuo Ishiguro - Klara and the Sun
>Eliot Weinberger - Angels & Saints
>Jon Fosse - Septology
>Oisín Fagan - Nobber
>George Saunders - A Swim in a Pond in the Rain

(technically the fosse is three books...or maybe seven, depending how you count it)

[Anonymous No.21797935]

>>21797904
wish ol georgey boy wouldve talked more about the short stories and not so much about his syracuse creative writing class

[Anonymous No.21797943]

>>21790323
whine.

[Anonymous No.21797963]

>>21797935
haha, i know what you mean but i liked the stuff about his classes too. what i often like about literature is seeing the world from another perspective and it was neat hearing his stories about his experiences with literature and how to interrogate its meaning and technique.

i also like that asides from that one example, he gave you the story straight before his essay, and the time he didn't it was so interesting and worked great imo

[Anonymous No.21797980]

>>21797829
This image made me suicidal

[Anonymous No.21798025]

>>21791347
The reason people don't read western comics is that they usually just suck.
Just make some decent escapism with sex appeal and no blacks, feminism or gays.
Then make it mostly free so you can get an audience.

[Anonymous No.21798212]

And here I thought I was the only weirdo that read mangas as well as books

[Anonymous No.21798222]

>>21797980
Good riddance

[Anonymous No.21798382]

>>21798025
If I make something similar to, let's say RWBY, you think that'd sell? Guess smaller publishers like Antarctic Press could be interested.

[Anonymous No.21800083]

>>21798382
Like no. Like who the fuck would care about RWBY if it wasn't made by the RoosterTeeth guys?

[Anonymous No.21800194]

>>21790318
boring

[Anonymous No.21800225]

>agents and publishers heavily push LGBTQ and POC trash that alienates the majority of normal readers
>agents and publishers absolutely refuse to publish anything that may be considered controversal, like mocking women who wear wigs
>agents and publishers heavily push middle school and YA lit that alienate most adults who dont want some Harry Potter Twilight Hunger Games knock off
>readers find a country that publishes a wide array of stories about everything from scuba diving school girls to a coomer who has a chainsaw for a head
Well clearly the problem is readers are too infantile to appreciate my cousin's story about the first time he stuck a hairbrush up his ass, which had won several Hugo Awards. The problem isnt our nepotistic, self-censoring, alienating business practices.

[Anonymous No.21800233]

>>21790424
>>21790615
>>21793430

[Anonymous No.21800256]

>>21790318
>>21790322
yeah the manga section in my local bookstore just keeps spreading its kinda wild. And I just recently got into American graphic novels. There’s some there but I just get them for free online anyway most the time.

[Anonymous No.21800264]

>>21790690
I paid even more for the deluxe editions of berserk and I have ghost in the shell series as well. Those are really cool though. Manga is expensive but it’s also neat to have the physical copies and it’s just a cool product. I lost my interest with it all in general though and no longer buy them. Still like to browse around the manga section but there ain’t nothing I care about.

[Anonymous No.21800329]

>>21791023
It's a coincidence not a synchronicity, you dumb nigger.

[Anonymous No.21800340]

>>21797980
KWAB