Anti-work books

[Anonymous No.21725405]

Which philosophers/authors fundamentally opposed labour or otherwise represent anti-work sentiments in their writing?

Both fiction and non-fiction recommendations are welcome.

[Anonymous No.21725416]

>>21725405

[Anonymous No.21725428]

>>21725405
Domenico de masi

[Anonymous No.21725429]

Paul Lafargue's Droit à la paresse is obviously quite seminal, although clearly intended as a provocative pamphlet.

[Anonymous No.21725433]

>>21725405
The anti-work "movement" is an utterly masterful psyop to get people to view mass unemployment and depression as a bold and voluntary, high minded political protest.
You did not choose to be "anti-work". You have been disenfranchised, belittled, abused and cast out by the anti-human and anti-civilisational neo-liberal tyranny to the point that you must be sold a commodified, impotent, and system-aligned version of rebellion in order to keep the gay pedos responsible for all of this safe from retribution.

[Anonymous No.21725443]

At first glance I thought the thread title was 'anti-work boots.' Kind of funny. We know what work boots are but what would anti-work boots be?

[Anonymous No.21725444]

>>21725405
what's a good, reasonable argument for being anti-work? The only thing I know about it is that tranny Redditor who went on fox news and made a fool of himself.

[Anonymous No.21725446]

>>21725416
>>21725429
lad had an interesting upbringing

[Anonymous No.21725458]

>>21725443
Ornate aristocrat boots perhaps. Or Uggs.

[Anonymous No.21725463]

>>21725444
I guess work makes a lot of people miserable and represents the worst part of their daily routine, so that alone would be enough to get rid of it if possible. Or at least of the mandatory nature of it.

[Anonymous No.21725466]

>>21725433
so being a neet is part of some great elite conspiract while being a wagie working in their companies is not?

[Anonymous No.21725498]

>>21725458
They kind of look like something that might be worn by people that do their work on inner city street corners.

[Anonymous No.21725516]

>>21725498
Louis XIV did have a pimp aesthetic desu.

[Anonymous No.21725527]

>>21725516
Well god damn it's true

[Anonymous No.21725703]

>>21725446
>interesting upbringing
>pic rel is mostly about his race
fuck off you racist

[Anonymous No.21725741]

>>21725703
funny, i was thinking more about the irony of him being an anti-work lazy marxist while being from a wealthy capitalist elite family dependent on the labour of poor peasants

[Anonymous No.21725754]

>>21725741
holy shit, kill yourself. you're actually dumb enough to go there? what kind of point that even make? you fucking piece of shit racist, fascist, working class white man. wageslavery is the only use for fucking subhuman scum like you

[Anonymous No.21725763]

>>21725741
do you even know what marxism is, you fucking dumbass piece of shit? did you read this book? no, you just pointed out a simple contradiction because you're a fucking stupid asshole. you think what your low, base, idiot mind views as a contradiction discredits his arguments, which in fact are in the favour of such poor peasants? it's like your skull is filled with shit instead of brains

[Anonymous No.21725769]

>>21725741
like, are you fucking woman?
>"interesting" upbringing
>*points out contradiction and thinks it undermines his work*
you're a fucking bitch. i don't know if you're a woman or a white man, same fucking thing, but you're a fucking stupid bitch.

[Anonymous No.21725773]

>>21725741
i fucking hate you. i don't know if you're a woman or just a man who's so stupid that they think like a woman, but i fucking hate you

[Anonymous No.21725784]

>>21725741
like, what is your point? please, tell me your fucking point. you know his uncle was karl marx himself, right? did you know that? no, you didn't. you fucking worthless piece. keep fighting for your own oppression and the oppression of others you fucking piece of shit fascist fuck.

[Anonymous No.21725785]

>>21725754
>>21725763
>>21725769
>>21725773
>19 replies. 7 ips

[Anonymous No.21725791]

>>21725785
you're a toxic person

[Anonymous No.21725807]

>>21725741
his uncle was karl marx

[Anonymous No.21725813]

>>21725785
top kek the seethe

[Anonymous No.21725884]

>>21725405
Bullshit Jobs

[Anonymous No.21725886]

Bullshit Jobs, by David Graeber

[Anonymous No.21725914]

>>21725884
>>21725886
Is the book expanding upon the essay worthwhile or does the essay capture most of it?

[Anonymous No.21725971]

Just remember what happens to the parasites when they succeed in killing the host.

[Anonymous No.21725978]

>>21725971
All American schoolchildren are forced to learn about how they are victims for all eternity?

[Anonymous No.21725993]

>>21725807
*father in law (whose response to Lafargue's "Marxism" was, that in that case he (Marx) wasn't a Marxist)

[Anonymous No.21726003]

>>21725971
But the alternative to being the parasite is being the host. The parasite lives a few moments longer so he's winning.

[Anonymous No.21726020]

>>21725978
No, all american school kids excepting white heterosexual males

[Anonymous No.21726026]

>>21726003
Hosts tends to kill parasites as soon as they're aware of them.
What makes you think otherwise?

[Anonymous No.21726035]

>>21726026
I thought the parasites were killing the host.

[Anonymous No.21726041]

>>21725405
None of the fiction ones because being lazy meant they wouldn’t become great writers.

But they were certainly some like who abhorred landlords and civil servants, certain types of professions but not all

[Anonymous No.21726043]

>>21726035
You're dumber than a rock, and a waste of oxygen.

[Anonymous No.21726061]

>>21726043
I'm just humouring the silly analogies.

In reality NEETs aren't parasites but intraspecies free-riders. This is a phenomenon that occurs all over the animal world and is actually a clever stratagem, surviving on the effort of others while conserving energy oneself. To think that they ultimately don't get away with it seems to go against all of human historical data and observations of other species. If anything, it seems like the free-rider is here to stay, especially with society producing more surplus than ever and with direct social control for shaming free-riders in an atomised industrial society being quite ineffective.

[Anonymous No.21726064]

>>21725993
>*father in law
my bad
>whose response to Lafargue's "Marxism" was, that in that case he (Marx) wasn't a Marxist)
yeah i know about that. still, his arguments made sense. reduce work time, increase productivity. he was right

[Anonymous No.21726067]

>>21725971
>>21726026
>>21726043
imagine being such a psychotic fascist that you think your stupid analogies are reality

[Anonymous No.21726072]

from the marxist point of view, capital parasitizes the worker
from the neofascist point of view, which is a worker without class conscience who fights for his own oppression and the oppression of others, those who don't work are parasites. amazing. i guess from that point of view the worker parasitizes upon capital? but they wouldn't take their logic one step further to acknowledge that.

[Anonymous No.21726078]

>>21726067
Imagine desperately trying to find intellectual backing for your miserable failure of a life.

[Anonymous No.21726080]

>>21726072
I think they are so indoctrinated that they can't imagine master's dishes not being done, so if another houseslave slacks off during dishwashing all they can see is that they themselves will have to wash more dishes to keep master happy. Asking why they're doing master's dishes in the first place never even occurs to them.

[Anonymous No.21726081]

>>21726072
From the point of view of objective reality, there's no such thing as a free lunch.

[Anonymous No.21726176]

>>21726078
please tell me you're a woman. no man can be this much of a bitch
>>21726081
>objective reality
>cliche
please tell me you're a woman, there's no way a man can be this stupid
>>21726080
they're stupid, all they want is revenge. make them think and they attack you. they're nothing but animals. wageslavery is the only thing they're good for. they're so mentally retarded that even their worthless jobs that a fucking chimpanzee could do are mind-bogglingly difficult to them.
the white working class are the scum of the earth

[Anonymous No.21726197]

>>21726080
i swear, bigots like these >>21726078 >>21726081 are not even human beings. and they call other people parasites!

[Anonymous No.21726217]

>>21726081
What about subjective reality?

[Anonymous No.21726225]

>>21726176
>>21726197
incredible levels of cope
>>21726217
You are not entitled to your own facts.

[Anonymous No.21726227]

>>21726225
>You are not entitled to your own facts
Subjectively, I am.

[Anonymous No.21726236]

>>21726081
from the point of view of objective reality, every lunch is a free lunch

[Anonymous No.21726250]

>>21726225
i'm trying to cope with how fucking stupid you are, yeah
>capitalist ideology is "objective reality"
all you want is revenge. you're a resentful slave to capital. in a sense you are as evil as you are stupid. that's why you're a fucking neofascist. scum

[Anonymous No.21726252]

>>21726227
>>21726236
Are you stupid or delusional?
In any case, I can confidently predict that you will have no net effect on the world around you.

[Anonymous No.21726256]

>>21726250
I don't resent "capital".
That transaction is voluntary.
I resent free riders.
That transaction is NOT voluntary.

[Anonymous No.21726258]

>>21726252
>thinks his brainwashed view is "objective reality"
>gaslights anyone who disagrees
>misuses in an economi term
yep, you're a fucking fascist. and a bitch

[Anonymous No.21726269]

>>21726252
Subjectively, my impact is immense, much like my subjective dick

[Anonymous No.21726274]

>>21726256
let me phrase that - resentful slave TO capital.
you're a fucking fascist dude. just fucking kill yourself. they'll replace you soon enough. you're worthless. keep fighting for your own exploitation and the exploitation of others though. you fucking bigoted right wing pig. you're scum. nobody gives a fuck about you. that's why you need to take it out on others, because you're a worthless piece of shit with a meaningless and a worthless life, and no one will ever love you because you're a fucking genetically inferior piece of white trash shit.
>work for money OR ELSE
>valorize capital OR ELSE
you have shit for brains. go overdose on opioids you fucking worthless waste of a human life. you think valorizing capital gives you value? you're worthless.

[Anonymous No.21726291]

>>21726256
>That transaction is NOT voluntary.
Living in a society isn't voluntary, it's practically enforced at gunpoint.

[Anonymous No.21726309]

wageslave morality

[Anonymous No.21726313]

>>21726256
Voluntarism is gay

[Anonymous No.21726379]

>>21726256
>selling my labour power to capital is voluntary
>IF YOU DON'T VOLUNTARILY ALLOW YOURSELF TO BE EXPLOITED BY CAPITAL I WILL THREATEN AND HARM AND OPPRESS YOU MYSELF
uh... can someone please explain to me the mind of a deranged neofascist? it literally make sense. t
>I'M VOLUNTARILY OPPRESSED SO YOU HAVE TO BE VOLUNTARILY OPPRESSED TOO
like, what? does that make any sense to anyone?

[Anonymous No.21726387]

>YOU HAVE TO FREELY ALLOW YOURSELF TO BE EXPLOITED - OR ELSE!

[Anonymous No.21726413]

It's not so much work itself I hate, it's:

>Lack of autonomy, strict regulations
>Working 9-5, being stuck at the office with nothing to do
>Office politics and shitty bosses
>Work draining all your energy
>Doing the same shit EVERY DAY
>Can't miss a day of work or you're literally satan

Maybe you like your job now. The problem is it's only going to get worse. Tech is not the solution -- the bubble is going to burst, hell they're already doing mass layoffs. Oh sure the FAANG layoffs will be fine, they'll find a job at some second-tier company, but those jobs they lost are gone, the industry is getting squeezed. As universities produce more competent grads, wages will fall. And now everyone is celebrating AI art like a good thing, even though it has the very real possibility of ruining a genuinely great and mature economy of artisans. So what jobs are left then? The horrible service sector ones which check ALL the points I made above. Go figure

Remember how in Rome all the poor and dispossessed congregated in the capital, and had no means of making money so state gave them wheat? Well, now 160k homeless live in California and San Francisco gives people $500 a month in aid. As the number of acceptable jobs disappears, more people will leave the rat race and ask for handouts. In China this has happened almost overnight. The system is bleeding people dry and they don't want to deal with it anymore. Therefore, let it rot.

[Anonymous No.21726415]

>>21725785
>54 replies. 15 ips.
Alright seriously one of you faggots needs to take your meds

[Anonymous No.21726429]

>>21726258
Then explain how to receive a free lunch if no one gives it to you.
That's right...you have to pay for it, one way or the other.
Your worldview is embarrassing infantile cope.
>>21726274
I have no desire to kill myself, or take opioids, or support your parasitic ass.
The rest of your drivel is just projection; you're talking about yourself.
>>21726291
You can head out into the wilderness any time you want.
You won't because you require services, provided by others as charity, just to survive.
>>21726379
Dumbass.
The only one oppressing me are the parasites who want me to support them...like you.

[Anonymous No.21726456]

>>21726413
Sounds like you have a shitty job, and not enough marketable skills to get a better one.
Work drains most of my energy, but otherwise, my job sounds nothing like your job.
The mass tech layoffs are due to the ramping up during the pandemic (i.e. lots of support needed for mass WFH) and the bursting of the DEI bubble (i.e. lots of "sensitivity consultants" being kicked to the curb).
It's not a tech bubble per se. The company I work for isn't having mass layoffs, and isn't expected to.

[Anonymous No.21726477]

One of the most destructive things to a person's psyche is the knowledge that they are useless.
Hence the anti-work seething in this thread.
You're acting out like toddlers, and you know it.

[Anonymous No.21726496]

>>21726429
the fact that you're only thinking of how you'll pay for lunch really shows how narrow-minded, self-interested and animalistic you are. there should be universal basic income so everyone can afford lunch. if that's not the case, there should be homeless shelters and soup kitchens where the homeless can get food, and food banks for underprivileged families. do you know much food waste is produced in america alone every year? the fact that you think you must valorize labour in order to be able to fucking eat is absolutely vile. you're evil. there's more than enough fucking food for everyone you fucking shit-for-brains subhuman bastard.
>>21726429
you should fucking kill yourself you fucking subhuman fascist piece of shit
>taxes = supporting parasites
kill yourself, you're a worthless animal with a worthless life. your job is meaningless and you're retarded.
>>21726429
>taxes are oppression
fucking blow your brains out with a shotgun you fucking incel libertarian piece of right wing shit. i'm not projecting anything, but yeah i know how much stupid faggots like you like that word
i hope you get robbed and killed by a black man or something, you fucking piece of shit
pay your fucking taxes and don't even vote because you'll probably vote for trump, right? you fucking piece of shit

[Anonymous No.21726501]

>>21726477
>USE ME
>I NEED TO FEEL USEFUL
get fucked, cunt. you're a bitch

[Anonymous No.21726516]

>>21726413
>NOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO WORK OR ELSE YOU'RE A PARASITE
>I NEED TO FEEL USEFUL

[Anonymous No.21726521]

>>21726496
The food doesn't exist unless someone physically grows it.
That involves work.
It doesn't spontaneously arise from nothing.
The rest of your "shoulds" are just lazy, childish cope.
You don't deserve UBI, homeless shelters, soup kitchens, or any other handouts.
And your pathetic ad-hominem arguments are an admission of intellectual bankruptcy...which matches your financial bankruptcy, so it's no big surprise.
>robbed/killed by a black man
Plus, you're racist.
Your mother must be so proud of you.
Fortunately, hydrothermal liquefaction exists to extract value from people as worthless, unproductive, and lazy as you.
It merely requires the will to do it.
And it will be the Democrats and Socialists who will do it, not the bogeymen you cite.

[Anonymous No.21726531]

Here's something else you'll never have...a woman.
Women flee from parasite NEETs.
And you know it.
Please, continue to admit I'm right with your psychotic ad-hominem rants.
Literally no one in the world wants to be like you...including you.

[Anonymous No.21726549]

>>21726521
no fucking shit dude. are you a farmer? no. then shut the fuck up. why are you eating food if you're not fucking growing it yourself, bud? why aren't you working as a fucking farmer? you don't deserve to eat unless you grow your own food.
>You don't deserve UBI, homeless shelters, soup kitchens, or any other handouts.
you deserve a bullet in the head. you fucking worthless piece of shit.
>Plus, you're racist.
i'm not racist, you are. trump supporter. i specified his race in mockery of your racism.
>Your mother must be so proud of you.
my mother is a whore
>dems and socialists will genocide the unemployed and convert their bodies into energy using hydrothermal liquefaction
take your fucking meds you neonazi schizophrenic piece of shit. i hate that anyone like you exists.

[Anonymous No.21726568]

>>21726531
bud, you're literally a neofascist. you're being exploited by capitalism and you view it as freedom and take it upon yourself to make sure that everyone else is "voluntarily" exploited by an unjust and corrupt system while also fighting any way to make it just (democracy, socialism, ubi, homeless shelters, food kitchens).
basically you're just an evil person and you shouldn't even be allowed in the work force.

[Anonymous No.21726569]

Anti work is dumb.
What we need to do is make it easier to work for yourself.

[Anonymous No.21726577]

>>21726549
Keep seething uselessly,
You have NO power to impose your will on anyone.
You are completely impotent.
And my money goes to pay the farmer for his/her effort.
You, on the other hand, want the farmer to give you the fruit of his/her labor without giving anything in return.
Do you see how that's a completely different situation?
And I don't believe your mother is a whore...I sincerely doubt she's pretty enough to sell her body.

[Anonymous No.21726600]

>>21726568
You don't make the rules.
You are completely powerless to affect my life, save for trying to bleed me dry.
And I already told you I *voluntarily* participate in the workforce and our economy.
No slavery occurring here.
Besides, you can't explain how it's "just" that people should take more than they give.
You just keep asserting that & don't explain why sloth is defensible.
>>21726569
It's incredibly easy to work for yourself.
The Internet leveled that playing field a long time ago.
You simply have to find a product that you can produce that other people want to buy.
Of course, that takes effort, initiative, creativity, and luck.
Seething has no place in working for yourself.

[Anonymous No.21726604]

>>21726577
i won the argument bud
>You have NO power to impose your will on anyone.
who said anything about that? you're the one projecting now. any changes i'd like to see in society will have to be enacted democratically. i know fascists like you think you can suspend democracy and enforce your will unjustly, though. horrible
>And my money goes to pay the farmer for his/her effort.
lmao, what, you buy farm to table, bud? do you go to the farmer's co-ops directly? no, you get GMO food through NGOs you fucking idiot
>You, on the other hand, want the farmer to give you the fruit of his/her labor without giving anything in return.
do you seriously have this basic of an idea of how capitalism actually functions?! this is the fucking retard i've arguing with?! jesus fucking christ
>And I don't believe your mother is a whore...I sincerely doubt she's pretty enough to sell her body.
all women are whores. also, how is a wageslave different than a whore? both are selling their bodies for money

[Anonymous No.21726607]

>>21726309
>>21726313
>>21726387
>>21726501
>>21726516
All I hear is the squealing of a tick as someone presses a hot match-head onto its back.

[Anonymous No.21726608]

>>21726600
I want things like property taxes gone, I want to have licensing gone.
I think it is dumb there is a license to cut hair.

[Anonymous No.21726633]

>>21726600
>You don't make the rules.
i don't think i do
>And I already told you I *voluntarily* participate in the workforce and our economy.
>No slavery occurring here.
you are forced to "voluntarily" participate, and you view it as your own free choice
>Besides, you can't explain how it's "just" that people should take more than they give.
i think you're too fundamentally unethical to understand such a point. i shouldn't have to explain to you why families living in poverty or homeless people struggling with mental health issues or addiction deserve to eat in first world countries.
40% of food in america gets wasted. but the unemployed don't deserve to eat?
>You just keep asserting that & don't explain why sloth is defensible.
the fact you use the word "sloth" exposes your backwards religious mindset. you should read
>>21725416 this book, which kicked off this thread. also, a homeless can collector works harder than any manipulative manager

[Anonymous No.21726636]

>>21726604
You lost the argument, just as you're losing at life. Any other conclusion is navel-gazing cope.
Democracy fails once more than half of the people vote their hands into the wallets of less than half of the people...in other words, it failed a long time ago.
Your legalized plunder has a very short shelf life.
My money goes to the farmer for his/her effort, and whatever middle people it took to get the food from the farm to my table. Since that's obvious, you're voluntarily being an idiot at this point.
I don't buy GMO food...I pay extra for the good stuff.
And sometimes I buy food at weekend farmers' markets, so put that in your bong and smoke it.
>all women are whores
Racist *and* sexist. No wonder you fail at life.
Here's the final evidence that you're a loser...your worldview has left you a bitter, angry, seething mess of a human being, while I am anything but.
And tomorrow, you have to continue being you. I can't think of a worse punishment, and you do it to yourself.

[Anonymous No.21726654]

>>21726607
ugh bud, you're the real parasite here
>>21726636
>My money goes to the farmer for his/her effort, and whatever middle people it took to get the food from the farm to my table
it doesn't. you're retarded and have no understanding of capitalism.
>I don't buy GMO food...I pay extra for the good stuff.
>And sometimes I buy food at weekend farmers' markets, so put that in your bong and smoke it.
wow, amazing. ethical consumption.

there's nothing else in your post worth replying to. you're nothing but a stupid bigot. the fact you think you have some sort of moral high ground over me and can sit in judgment just makes you even more a fucking bitch. at the end of the day, you're a neofascist. i hate you and everyone like you. you're nothing but brainwashed slaves.

[Anonymous No.21726658]

>>21726608
You must live in one of those "nanny" states.
Consider moving.
>>21726633
Are you doing anything to fix the food-waste problem, or are you petulantly demanding someone else do all that work? No need to answer...I know you're doing absolutely nothing.
And who exactly is forcing me to voluntarily participate? I do so because I considered my options deeply, and decided participating was a vastly superior choice to the alternatives.
The psychosis in your unhinged rants only serves to further convince me I made the right choice. You're a complete mess.
Eventually, you will realize that there's no justice...there's just us.

[Anonymous No.21726661]

>>21726456
>Sounds like you have a shitty job, and not enough marketable skills to get a better one.
The jobs I described are every line of work on the low-skill end of the labor market right now. Obviously there are plenty of good jobs remaining right now, can't deny it. The problem is they are limited to high skill people, and they are very slowly shrinking over time.

[Anonymous No.21726671]

>>21726658
there's no point talking to you, anon. you're a bigot, you're a neofascist. you're a brainwashed slave.
>Eventually, you will realize that there's no justice...there's just us.
that's what justice is, you fucking retard. you're nothing a hypocrite, too.
>The psychosis in your unhinged rants only serves to further convince me I made the right choice. You're a complete mess.
dude i just hate stupid bigoted pieces of fucking shit like you who sit in fucking judgment of others. you're nothing but a stupid, hypocritical, manipulative fucking judgmental piece of bigoted shit who's too fucking stupid to ever understand how fucking stupid you are. you're an evil person. it's true. you're evil and a hypocrite.
i hope that if you're ever homeless you starve to death and no one gives you a handout. that's the world you want to live in, right? Fucking nazi

[Anonymous No.21726678]

>>21726654
How am I the real parasite?
I pay my own way through the world.
I don't depend on handouts or charity.
If you thought you were making a clever argument, you have failed utterly.
And I understand capitalism far better than you do...you seem to think it involves handouts for the indolent. It doesn't. I think it involves exchange for goods/services produced. Because it does.
And continue your unhinged ad-hominem attacks until you're blue in the face; they have no effect whatsoever.
I'm glad you hate me; if someone as worthless as you liked me, I would think I was doing something wrong.
Have a good evening. I'm going to bed now; I have work tomorrow.
Because someone in this world finds value in my existence.
You have no idea what that's like, do you.

[Anonymous No.21726684]

>>21726658
and what is your obsession with work? i point out the food waste problem, and immediately you take recourse to making me somehow morally responsible for the problem itself. you're such a fucking stupid shit-eating hypocritical judgmental fucking faggot neonazi bitch, you fucking cunt. that's all it is to you, right? some sort of fucked up "morality".
what's moral about not wanting people to eat when 40% of food goes to waste? tell me that, you evil hypocrite, you brainwashed piece of neofascist shit

[Anonymous No.21726694]

>>21726678
you parasitize upon your workplace. there's no difference between you getting a paycheque and a homeless person getting charity.
>Have a good evening. I'm going to bed now; I have work tomorrow.
>Because someone in this world finds value in my existence.
please tell me you're trolling. there's no way you're this much of a fucking faggot

[Anonymous No.21726702]

>>21726661
Needless to say, I'm not on the low-skill end of the labor market.
I watched my childhood peers flake out and screw up their lives with laziness, criminal behavior, and drug use.
Instead, I wisely prepared for my future.
That paid dividends almost immediately; I was self-sufficient and on my own by the age of 20.
>>21726671
You're repeating yourself a lot.
Ad-hominem attacks are already an admission of a failed argument, but the uncreative repetition is really something else.
Aren't you embarrassed by how stupid you are?
I'm embarrassed for you.
Fortunately, you're a really unpleasant fellow, so I'm perfectly content to see you continue to suffer under the weight of your own pathologies.

[Anonymous No.21726718]

>>21726684
Somehow I doubt there's very much "moral" about your life.
Sloth is one of the seven deadly sins, after all.
And if you care so much about the food waste problem, why aren't you doing something about it?
I mean, besides stamping your princess foot on the ground and demanding that someone else do something about it.
You're a freeloader in every sense of the word.
>>21726694
No, my employer finds value in my continued employment.
I'm nowhere close to being a parasite.
If I was, my continued employment would drive the company I work for out of business.
>please tell me you're trolling
epic cope

[Anonymous No.21726719]

>>21726702
i feel like i've lost 40 IQ points talking to a stupid bigot like you. you twist every point in your favour without addressing the point. i sincerely hope you die in your sleep or on the way to work tomorrow. you're a worthless person with a worthless life and your job has no meaning. you're nothing but a slave. you're the real parasite on society, since you want to oppress the less fortunate and you want them to suffer. you seek to justify violence and injustices. i would much rather be who i am than a fucking worthless piece of neonazi shit like you. you literally do not deserve to live. i don't fucking care if you make money for someone above you and oppress people below you. you're a chimpanzee. you're a piece of shit. i hope one of your coworkers murders you, or a customer shoots and robs you. i legitimately think you are completely and absolutely worthless. it doesn't matter if you make money. that doesn't give your worthless piece of shit excuse of a life any value. you're not a fucking human being and you shouldn't fucking live. i fucking hate you and everyone like you.

[Anonymous No.21726728]

>>21726718
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.21726740]

>>21726413
>In China this has happened almost overnight. The system is bleeding people dry and they don't want to deal with it anymore. Therefore, let it rot.
got any reading on this? sounds interesting

it seems like they're speedrunning industrial society

[Anonymous No.21726747]

>>21726719
>you twist every point in your favour without addressing the point
That's called logic and rationality. I'm sorry to hear you find yourself on the other side of that.
>i sincerely hope you die in your sleep
Unlikely; I'm very healthy.
>you're a worthless person with a worthless life and your job has no meaning
Three patents were filed last year based on my inventions. That's like the opposite of "no meaning". I'm literally advancing the state of the art.
>you want to oppress the less fortunate
Hard work and keeping my nose clean isn't "fortunate", it's common sense.
If you haven't done every last thing you can think of to succeed, you have no business whining about "fortunate".
And the "less fortunate", as you call them, want me to support them as they do absolutely nothing to support themselves. Remember, this is an "anti-work" thread.
I don't oppress anyone; not being willing to be bled dry for lazy layabouts isn't oppression.
And before you embarrass yourself further, perhaps you should look up the definition of "ad-hominem argument" and realize what an idiot you're being. For your own sake.
Oh, but that would be work, wouldn't it? So much easier to be a stupid, seething psychotic.
Verification not required.

[Anonymous No.21726752]

>>21726728
But I like my life.
I literally have no reason to kill myself.
You're just projecting again.
>>21726740
https://www.insider.com/chinese-people-letting-it-rot-social-protest-trend-2022-10

[Anonymous No.21726762]

>>21726747
>red herrings are logic
kill yourself
>Unlikely; I'm very healthy.
do you even have health care coverage, wagecuck?
>Three patents were filed last year based on my inventions. That's like the opposite of "no meaning". I'm literally advancing the state of the art.
oh... well... what do you do?
>If you haven't done every last thing you can think of to succeed, you have no business whining about "fortunate".
i don't
>I don't oppress anyone; not being willing to be bled dry for lazy layabouts isn't oppression.
liar. you hate the unemployed, you think homeless people should just starve to death. you have no concept of reality, yet you call me psychotic. you have no empathy for the less fortunate. it's not a handout. it's being a fucking human being.
>And before you embarrass yourself further, perhaps you should look up the definition of "ad-hominem argument" and realize what an idiot you're being. For your own sake.
i'm not arguing, i'm calling you names because i fucking hate you.
>Oh, but that would be work, wouldn't it? So much easier to be a stupid, seething psychotic.
oh, i'm psychotic for, what, being angry? i know you have no fucking balls, so you pathologize anger. you fucking faggot piece of shit. you moralistic, lying, manipulative, worm-like subhuman piece of shit.
the only thing vermin like you care about are work and money. that's all that matters to you. you're basically a woman

[Anonymous No.21726764]

>>21726752
Interesting, reminds me of our incel frens:

https://incels.wiki/w/Lay_down_and_rot

[Anonymous No.21726767]

>>21725978
Yeah victims of you, either bcuz you touch children or are a European

[Anonymous No.21726768]

>>21726752
i'm not projecting. i hate you. what is hatred? the desire to annihilate the object of one's hate. it stems from that that i should want for you to kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.21726814]

alright... i don't hate you... have a good day at work anon... wish i had a job i liked...

[Anonymous No.21726817]

>>21726768
You may hate me, but you hate your impotence more, because you cannot act on your hatred.
All you can do is seethe and scream and throw a tantrum.
You have no effect upon the world at all.
Our lives would all be richer if we lost you, and you know it.
>>21726762
Of course I have health coverage.
>what do you do
Useful things, obviously. For which I get paid.
>empathy
Starting day one of kindergarten, I found myself tormented mercilessly by five-year-olds and six-year-olds.
I never had a chance to believe in the myth of the innocent child.
And I only met more assholes as I got older.
Do you expect me to have empathy for a species choked to the gills with petty, small-minded, mean-spirited sociopaths? As if.
I'm embarrassed to share a species with these miscreants.
>>21726768
But I won't kill myself.
I have no desire to.
So seethe about that all you want.
I find your hatred to be delicious.
Thank you for making me feel much better about myself.
I will sleep soundly tonight, and you can take a lot of credit for that.

[Anonymous No.21726823]

>>21725886
David Graeber deez nuts

[Anonymous No.21726825]

>>21726814
Everyone hates their job to some degree, even me.
That's why they have to pay us to show up.
What did you do with your chance to prepare for your future?
Did you waste it "being cool"?
Well, you simply dug yourself into a hole.
Now it's even more work to dig yourself out.
You have no one to blame but yourself.
So stop expecting others to carry your weight.
Either get busy living or get busy dying.

[Anonymous No.21726829]

>>21726718
If you’re a guy, congrats

If not how many dicks did you suck to get your cushy position

[Anonymous No.21726836]

>>21726829
I'm a guy, and I got my position by working hard and doing the right thing.
Historically, that makes me very unpopular with my co-workers, but I don't really care about the bleatings of the differently-competent.
They're stuck in much crappier jobs, and they have no one to blame but themselves.

[Anonymous No.21726849]

>>21726817
>because you cannot act on your hatred.
i would never act on my hatred. unlike you, i'm a just and ethical person.
>>21726817
> petty, small-minded, mean-spirited sociopaths
you mean like you?
>>21726817
i guess to summarize the argument
>social inequality is a problem that concerns everyone
>everyone deserves a free lunch as 40% of food in america goes to waste
>taxation is not oppression and there should be social infrastructure in place
>neofascism is fucked and there's nothing inherently good about work
we can agree to disagree. i think you're a delusional liar, you think i'm psychotic, which is just my own repulsion against the femininity of your "morality". that's what i see it as - utterly effeminate
well... have a good sleep though bud... damn this was a waste of time

[Anonymous No.21726852]

>>21726825
yeah, you're right

alright, being honest
i need to get a job

[Anonymous No.21726866]

A religion may be discerned in capitalism – that is to say, capitalism serves essentially to allay the same anxieties, torments, and disturbances to which the so-called religions offered answers. The proof of the religious structure of capitalism – not merely, as Weber believes, as a formation conditioned by religion, but as an essentially religious phenomenon – would still lead even today to the folly of an endless universal polemic. We cannot draw closed the net in which we are caught. Later on, however, we shall be able to gain an overview of it.

Nevertheless, even at the present moment it is possible to distinguish three aspects of this religious structure of capitalism. In the first place, capitalism is a purely cultic religion, perhaps the most extreme that ever existed. In capitalism, things have no meaning only in their relationship to the cult; capitalism has no specific body of dogma, no theology. It is from this point of view that utilitarianism acquires its religious overtones. This concretization of cult is connected with a second feature of capitalism: the permanence of the cult. Capitalism is the celebration of the cultsans reve et sans merci[without dream or mercy]. There are no “weekdays.” There is no day that is not a feast day, in the terrible sense that all its sacred pomp is unfolded before us; each day commands the utter fealty of each worshipper. And third, the cult makes guilt pervasive. Capitalism is probably the first instance of a cult that creates guilt, not atonement. In this respect, this religious system is caught up in the headlong rush of a larger movement. A vast sense guilt that is unable to find relief seizes on the cult, not to atone for this guilt but to make it universal, to hammer it into the conscious mind, so as once and for all to include God in the system of guilt and thereby awaken in Him an interest in the process of atonement. This atonement cannot then be expected from the cult itself, or from the reformation of this religion (which would need to be able to have recourse to some stable element in it), or even from the complete renouncement of this religion.

[Anonymous No.21726874]

>>21726866
The nature of the religious movement which is capitalism entails endurance right to the end, to the point where God, too, finally takes on the entire burden of guilt, to the point where the universe has been taken over by that despair which is actually its secrethope.
Capitalism is entirely without precedent, in that it is a religion which offers not the reform of existence but its complete destruction. It is the expansion of despair, until despair becomes a religious state of the world in the hope that this will lead to salvation. God’s transcendence is at an end. But he is not dead; he has been incorporated into human existence. This passage of the planet “Human” through the house of despair in the absolute loneliness of his trajectory is the ethos that Nietzsche defined. This man is the superman, the first to recognize the religion of capitalism and begin to bring it to fulfillment. Its fourth feature is that its God must be hidden from it and may be addressed only when his guilt is at its zenith. The cult is celebrated before an unmatured deity; every idea, every conception of it offends against the secret of this immaturity.
Freud’s theory, too, belongs to the hegemony of the priests of this cult. Its conception is capitalist religious thought through and through. By virtue of a profound analogy, which has still to be illuminated, what has been repressed, the idea of sin, is capital itself, which pays interest on the hell of the unconscious.
The paradigm of capitalist religious thought is magnificently formulated in Nietzsche’s philosophy. The idea of the superman transposes the apocalyptic “leap” not into conversion, atonement, purification, and penance, but into an apparently steady, though in the final analysis explosive and discontinuous intensification. For this reason, intensification and development in the sense ofnon facit saltumare incompatible.(1) The superman is the man who has arrived where he is without changing his ways; he is historical man who has grown up right through the sky. This breaking open of the heavens by an intensified humanity that was and is characterized (even for Nietzsche himself) by guilt in a religious sense was anticipated by Nietzsche. Marx is a similar case: the capitalism that refuses to change course becomes socialism by means of the simple and compound interest that are functions ofSchuld(consider the demonic ambiguity of this word).(2)
Capitalism is a religion of pure cult, without dogma.
Capitalism has developed as a parasite of Christianity in the West (this must be shown no just in the case of Calvinism, but in the other orthodox Christian churches), until it reached the point where Christianity’s history is essentially that of its parasite – that is to say, of capitalism.

[Anonymous No.21726977]

>>21726671
>>21726654
Not anyone you've been replying to, but you sound like a resentful person. You're a loser.
Not that I would hope for the state of being in anyone. Get your shit together.

[Anonymous No.21726985]

>>21725446
>black
>lazy
He was a living stereotype

[Anonymous No.21727025]

>>21725914
After the article, he got swamped with people writing to tell him about their bullshit jobs, so the book is more in depth. It has amusing anecdotes.

[Anonymous No.21727231]

>>21726977
i'm not a resentful person. i have contempt for idiots. it's not my fault that these idiots are bitches who think they're better than me
>You're a loser.
fuck you
>Get your shit together.
fuck off. what are you, my girlfriend? eat shit faggot
>Not that I would hope for the state of being in anyone
what the fuck does this even mean? you're all brainwashed shit. you've been castrated and lobotomized. you eat shit and you want to eat shit from the troth along with the rest of you fucking neofascist pigs. i have nothing but contempt for you. not resentment, you're better than me, bitch. contempt.

[Anonymous No.21727235]

>>21726977
i'm not a resentful person. i have contempt for idiots. it's not my fault that these idiots are bitches who think they're better than me
>You're a loser.
fuck you
>Get your shit together.
fuck off. what are you, my girlfriend? eat shit faggot
>Not that I would hope for the state of being in anyone
what the fuck does this even mean? you're all brainwashed sheep. you've been castrated and lobotomized. you eat shit and you want me to eat shit from the troth along with the rest of you fucking neofascist pigs. i have nothing but contempt for you. not resentment - you're not better than me, bitches. contempt.

[Anonymous No.21727243]

>>21726985
Laziness is based. What was Diogenes but lazy?

[Anonymous No.21727260]

>>21725433
It's always the gay pedos with you, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.21727268]

>>21725466
lmao

[Anonymous No.21727300]

Huh, so it turns out that the laotian eel breeding forum that likes to make fun of the "lazy niggers" are lazy, parasite niggers themselves, who would've thunk??

[Anonymous No.21727458]

>>21725433

this is the stupidest post i have ever read. for all of history man understood that work was a curse, something to be done by slaves and peasants. even the first book of the bible clearly states that god cursed man to work as punishment.

the psyop was what happened in 20th century america, where for the first time in history work was reframed as something to seek purpose and fulfillment in, something to base an identity on. and the goyim ate it up and to this day take pride in working long hours, neglecting their lonely kids at home

[Anonymous No.21727630]

>>21725405
Reddit.

[Anonymous No.21727734]

>>21726633
Bro it’s simple. Businesses put out offers for people saying “if you do X we’ll pay you Y” and people can choose to accept or refuse. You’re not forced to do anything.
The only way you could think you’re forced is if you believe you’re entitled to other people’s property just by virtue of existing. This is just a childlike way of thinking which assumes that people have the duty to coddle you like your parents.
New flash buddy, business owners are not your parents and have no interest in you beyond mutual benefit and general human fraternity.
They made you an offer. You refused. If you still want money then you have to find another way to get it. Nobody is wronged in this transaction; grow up.
It is not the business owners who have a gun to your head. It is the state, to whom you want to give even more power. The state prints money and devalues the currency, the state imposes taxes at gun point, the state imposes regulations thus discouraging competition, the state forces you to buy from more expensive inefficient local businesses instead of foreign businesses who would be happy to sell you their cheaper products.
Capitalist business action is always purely voluntary and contractual. You sign a contract, you make a deal, you negotiate, you can walk away at any time. Crime and state action are the coercive types because you’ll get killed if you refuse.

[Anonymous No.21727789]

>>21725466
NTA, but I can tell you that it's both. The type of work the elites want people to perform are different for different demographics. For third worlders there is slave labour, for first world lower classes there are service work and neetbux, for the sterile inhabitants of their new cities kindergarten offices.

[Anonymous No.21727796]

>beliefs formed by social status and life style
Literally ape brain NPCs. Such people should not be allowed to argue with people who have souls.

[Anonymous No.21727903]

>>21725405
A reminder that anti-worl attitude is not communist. The Soviet government forced people to work even when it wasn't necessary. It was a common sight to see three people doing the job of one.

[Anonymous No.21727930]

>>21725416
Good book

[Anonymous No.21728150]

>>21725433
I'd rather be dead than work.

[Anonymous No.21728159]

>>21725405
>Anti-work
Dumb and reddit-tier. Life without any sort of work is pretty boring. I think there's something to be said about not wanting to do soulless wage jobs, but there are jobs out there that have actual meaning and give a sense of purpose

[Anonymous No.21728178]

>>21725444
>Goes on Fox News to ascribe the benefits of anti-work
>Is actually a small-business owner, and not a welfare NEET
Kek, imagine if they had an actual welfare-NEET on the show instead?

[Anonymous No.21728180]

>>21725466
I like how morons think the only options are "anti-work" or "being a corporate stooge".
Dumb nigger:
>Start your own business
>Start your own charity
>Engage in agorism (grey/black market business)
There's MANY options depending on where you live, you don't have to "wage-slave" (but if you're a good worker you get raises/promotions quickly).

[Anonymous No.21728186]

>>21725405
Niggers/NEETs (same thing, race doesn't matter) will be the death of the US economy. The US Government already has $31,000,000,000 in debt because of NEETs.
Note: nigger = NEET. I have more respect for a black worker/employee than I do for an unemployed white nigger.

[Anonymous No.21728332]

>>21728186
It’s an inevitability of democracy. Read Hans Hermann Hoppe.

[Anonymous No.21728377]

>>21728332
>Hans Hermann Hoppe
I'm already an an-cap, but I try to keep politics out of /lit/ threads.

>back to thread
OP should try becoming a migrant worker, maybe that would give him some perspective.
>roam from town to town
>find odd-jobs on craigslist
>make friends, connections, make money, move to different towns, repeat.
>Make a positive impact on peoples lives, like Johnny Appleseed.

[Anonymous No.21728694]

>>21726477
i thought the first line was in favor of anti-work. how useful (in the soul appeasing, psyche fulfilling way) do you feel working meaningless jobs with little to no autonomy?

[Anonymous No.21728762]

>>21725433
>You did not choose to be " x ". You have been disenfranchised, belittled, abused and cast out by the anti-human and anti-civilisational neo-liberal tyranny to the point that you must be sold a commodified, impotent, and system-aligned version of rebellion in order to keep the gay pedos responsible for all of this safe from retribution.

it's a beautiful description of the system's subversion of counterculture movements, replace X by 'pro trump', 'anti immigrant', 'pro lgbtq' whatever silly political stance and you might have a worthwhile sentence there.

how the fuck is anti-work a psyop though? our whole global system is built on people working, the whole superstructure supports those ideas, from cradle to grave we're told to work, our entire culture nowadays flagrantly worships wealth. how could it be beneficial for any elite to promote not working? except maybe sow division among people, which i mean, just look at this thread...

[Anonymous No.21728779]

>>21725433
I just want to hunt and trap all day everyday bro

[Anonymous No.21728847]

>>21728180
Having to work for a living is still having to work for a living with nominal "independence", you're no less a part of the system. You still have to follow the rules, pay your taxes and toil. It's fake freedom.

[Anonymous No.21728852]

>>21728377
>OP should try becoming a migrant worker, maybe that would give him some perspective.
Perspective on what?

[Anonymous No.21728876]

>>21726477
One of the most cucked slave things imaginable is relegating the notion of usefulness solely to what your boss wants to pay you for on the labor market.
Hence, the wagie seethe in this thread.
You are screaming out in the agony of your hellish existence, and you know it.

[Anonymous No.21728899]

>>21725444
You do realize reddit and fox news are controlled opposition? Or is this post bait? You can't be this stupid.

[Anonymous No.21728914]

>>21728847
There's nothing wrong with being part of an economic system. I'm not an anti-work faggot; I have an excellent career and make bank.
>You still have to follow the rules, pay your taxes and toil. It's fake freedom.
I'd rather do that than be a NEET/nigger.

>>21728852
Perspective on life outside of his parents basement.

[Anonymous No.21728921]

>>21728876
>work sucks because.... Le boss!
Parasite cope. You know you can be your own boss right? You know you can open your own business right?

Holy fucking kek, I can't believe the amount of niggerism ITT. Like >>21727300 said, y'all faggots are niggers, worse than niggers actually, since niggers tend to hustle for cash and at least keep the money moving. Fuck, the brownies that move to your country and work 3 jobs are the ones subsidizing your autistic lazy asses. You faggots leech off the work of other people while spewing cope LE WORK IS BAD BECAUSE LE BOSS "arguments".

Go ahead and post your epic Le Wagie Pepes, deep down you know you're a failure and a farce

[Anonymous No.21728936]

>>21728914
>I'd rather do that than be a NEET/nigger.
And I'm glad most people do desu, since we can't completely do away with work (yet?) someone has to do it.

>Perspective on life outside of his parents basement.
I've worked, didn't like it. Being free to do what I want all day actually gives me more perspective than just alternating between the job and the house for most of my life.

[Anonymous No.21728939]

>>21728921
>I accurately diagnose and predict wagie seethe
>this makes the wagie write an entire essay of seethe
I can literally see the future, such is the power of NEET

[Anonymous No.21728955]

I'd rather be a seething anon than a pathetic loser NEET worse than a nigger.

[Anonymous No.21728977]

>>21728955
Why are you so attached to servitude to as a good in itself? Don't you have the respect to see yourself as an end in itself rather than just a tool for other people or spooks?

Are most people just naturally beasts of burden that derive meaning out of the yoke whereas only some of us can lie in the sun like a cat and feel completely at ease without having to justify ourselves?

[Anonymous No.21728996]

>>21725405
>fundamentally opposed labour or otherwise represent anti-work sentiments in their writing?
cant you just do that nowadays?

[Anonymous No.21729004]

>bla bla bla here are the reasons why MY parasitism and lazyness are justified, unlike those lazy niggers over there!

I actually happen to like my job. Do I wish I didn't have to work? Absolutely. But we don't live in post scarcity Star Trek. So I don't mind doing my part. I actually wake up in the morning looking forward to what work will bring. So keep the cope coming, parasite. You might fool yourself for a bit there, but deep down you know you're a fraud. Life is hard, life requires most of us to work one way or the other. If you're independently wealthy or a trust fund baby? Awesome! But if you collect NEETbux and don't have a real disability, you're just a fucking parasite. Posting your copes won't change that.

[Anonymous No.21729014]

>>21726413
>In China this has happened almost overnight
This sentence just comes out of nowhere lol
also i know its madeup bullshit and you cant and wont back it up, so stop lying faget. we know san fran is a poverty-stricken shithole, but show me your proofs for china

[Anonymous No.21729033]

>>21728762
idk anon, sounds like you are making unwarranted abstractions. the superstructure supports the idea of work? In terms of procedurality, I think work comes before those superstructures even existing. some Neanderthal needed to work, do effort, to hunt for food. or needed to do some work for some other neadrithal to think he was worth giving food too. maybe he was entertaining, or gave food to him or some other action that warented it, its still effort.

its literally the fundemental law of iteration/causation. x happened as a consequence to y.

holy hell I hate pseuds who half truth themselves into utter incipiency.

[Anonymous No.21729093]

>>21726678
>I think it involves exchange for goods/services produced. Because it does.
what you have described is markets, something that has existed for millenia and will continue to exist after capitalism, not capitalism itself. Capitalism is a very specific type of economic structure.

[Anonymous No.21729248]

>>21728955
My daily routine:
>wake up when completely rested
>make a delicious and nutritious breakfast
>go workout at the gym
>read philosophy and literature until late afternoon
>socialize with friends as they get off work, or go for a walk in the forest
>cook delicious and nutritious dinner
>shitpost on the chans and watch some movie or TV-show or read again
>go to sleep

Your daily routine
>wake up whenever your boss or customers thinks you should
>prepare for commute
>eat quick processed breakfast
>commute (unpaid)
>do something that someone else (boss or customer) is bribing you to do because it is not worth doing
>do this for 8 hours (1/3 of your life, i.e., your one shot at consciousness)
>commute home (unpaid)
>too ruined to make dinner, eat processed food again
>seethe and cry as an outlet for your hellish hamsterwheel existence on the chans
>find completely misplaced pride in being a wagie
>go to sleep
>sleep poorly because of always seething
>repeat for half a century until your body is no longer capable of producing value for other people (customers or boss)

OUCH.

[Anonymous No.21729435]

>>21728186
Good. I hope they become so overburdened everything collapses. I don't have respect for anyone who contributes to a crap system that caters to LGBTQ retards, benefits those with preexisting wealth tremendously, and doesn't show any interest whatsoever in subsidizing and advancing the most intelligent people. If you gave NOTHING to me, I will give NOTHING to you. It's that simple. They gave Ukraine 100s of billions of dollars at this point. Notice you failed to make any argument either, you're just a brainlet resorting to ad hominems. Le bad word for black person but le based black man for working. Pathetic. I hope one gets to work on fucking your wife. Guess what? I've been screwed at every single opportunity by this country. I worked my ass off the past several years and here's the kicker. I OWED taxes year after year at tax season. Meanwhile married people with children, they got massive tax breaks so much they pretty much paid NOTHING. I need money more than they do and it would have benefited my life far more tremendously than giving it to retards who already have it good enough to procreate. What a joke. Then every financial gain made is taxed. Then every thing I buy is taxed. Then the gasoline is taxed. The saddest thing about people like you is that you're the kind that always brings up MUH MEDIAN INCOME and think 50k is good. It isn't. People like you are the absolute worst and most subservient proles grateful for your nothingness. If I didn't need to work, I wouldn't. Welfare doesn't even pay enough for good housing expenses by the way so it isn't a choice. I hope Russia launches first strike on this country. It doesn't matter anymore. Yes it would be "worse" but at least people like you will perceive it as much worse. Someone should make a NEET guide to make people like you seethe even harder.

[Anonymous No.21729493]

>>21729248
One shot at life and you pick the easy life. Thousands of years of man striving and you have created for yourself the opposite of what your ancestors stood for.

The comfortable life.... pathetic.

[Anonymous No.21729513]

>>21729493
300,000 years of hunter-gatherers chose the easiest life possible, it's only a handful of years since agricucks ruined it and probably merely out of necessity instead of desire.

Why do you think laziness and seeking the path of least resistance is the rule among all animals and all lifeforms even? It's efficient and succesful. Working more than you need is for suckers.

[Anonymous No.21729561]

>>21729493
You should read Aristotle if you ever find the time in between waging. He has a wonderful distinction between ends and ends-in-themselves, eudaimonia, that which is inherently valuable. He also has some wonderful passages about how slave labor is necessary for eudaimonia, as there must be some beasts of burden to take care of the menial labor and tending to basic needs.
But I must say, "striving" is a very strange way to conceptualize stuff like writing emails and interacting with customers and doing powerpoint presentations and quarterly sales reports, or whatever else your waging includes.
My striving is towards philosophical erudition and literary pursuits. I live much like the aristocracy of the 18th century, free to pursue ends-in-themselves (philosophy, art and self-mastery through lifting) as the animal striving (wagie work) has been dealt with by the wagies.
It is a human life: it is eudaimonia.
But it is good that you take pride in your role - and you should. Your sacrifices allow me to be the peak of human existence, and for that, I am genuinely thankful.
Now do try to calm your seething. Good sleep is necessary for good work, and it is an early rise tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.21729576]

>>21729513
You forgot to mention even agricucks had it EZ. Slaves and peasants objectively worked less hours than the modern wage slave.

[Anonymous No.21729590]

>>21729248
>doing things for some benifits
sounds like you are just doing work by another name. I think you could benefit from dynamic thinking.

[Anonymous No.21729627]

>>21729576
True, and they had self-respect and no desire to work more hours than necessary when they had their basic needs met.

It's bizarre how contemporary wagies have Stockholm syndrome'd themselves.

[Anonymous No.21729658]

>>21729493
this man does NOT fuck

[Anonymous No.21729666]

>>21729627
I think you are framing it a less accurate way. its not “no desire to work more hours then necissay”. thats how a lazy i respectable man thinks. that hes trying to do the bare minimum possible. which is evidently not true by how they are described. they wanted to do their jobs well and felt prideful for doing a job well. Just not past a certain point of excess.

it was still 110% work ethic, its was just firm on what 100 percent was. you can see it all the time in records when they go “this is not up to guild/commune standards” and complaints of relitively lazy workers.

your coception of the medievals is fucked and overlaying modern sleezebag ideas of least effort is a goal onto a more proper “not overstepping bounds of due effort, but do the job as well as you can”.

[Anonymous No.21729679]

>>21729561
We're all living the dream, right champ? Almost everyone here on 4chan acts like the princes of old.

[Anonymous No.21729689]

>>21729666
Nice try Satan. Even if you were right though, it's a lot easier to have a proud work ethic when you have literally half the year off.

It was actually notoriously difficult to get a peasant to work beyond the necessities of life. Fun article:

https://www.spaywall.com/search/https://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/25/opinion/25robb.html

[Anonymous No.21729718]

>>21729014
>but show me your proofs for china
Read the reply chain before leaving your dumb comment next time, anon

[Anonymous No.21729754]

>>21729689
>ny times
>opinion
at least I know the type of stuff that informs you.
how about you read primary sources like the Domesday Book, guild records, or reputed secondary sources?

and yes, my whole point is that the mindset is largely different from the one you presented. It was one of knowing what was due and doing a good job of it. which is a far thing from “no more then necissary”. it was much more “glass half full” in mentality (this why I said 110% with a good idea of what 100% was).

[Anonymous No.21729763]

>>21729590
>I think you could benefit from dynamic thinking.
No thanks, it sounds just like some hack bullshit you picked up from a Ted Talk on productivity, likely by an asian-american.
I hopefully don't have to tell you how cringe that is.

[Anonymous No.21729765]

>>21729718
I saw the silly article about millenial chinese shitposting on weibo, i fail to see how that translates into wholesale civilizational collapse

[Anonymous No.21729769]

>>21729679
I can't speak for anyone but myself, but yes, I am. It is a wonderful life and my ancestors would be overjoyed to see it.

[Anonymous No.21729778]

>>21729754
>disregards article from 2007 on peasants because the url reminds him of his recent political trauma

[Anonymous No.21729780]

>>21729769
So when are you finally getting married and bearing some children, anon?

[Anonymous No.21729806]

>>21729754
Basing your view of the attitudes of at least ten thousand years of agricultural societies around the world on a high medieval English survey and the records of urban guilds from the same time is kind of cherrypicking what supports your bourgeois values desu. Not saying it's completely invalid but it's too narrow, plus we have to take into account the specific character of the eternal Anglo who spawned the whole cucked modern protestant work ethic that now dominates the modern world. Maybe they were always proto-fucked, that nation of shopkeepers.

[Anonymous No.21729811]

>>21729780
Probably around my late thirties.

[Anonymous No.21729816]

[Anonymous No.21729834]

>>21729778
>recent political trauma
idk what you are on about. doesnt matter if it was ny times or cnn or fox. the fact you used some shitty tabloid opinion piece is crap. how about you go on jstor and find an academic article about medieval mentality?
https://www.jstor.org/stable/44173342

[Anonymous No.21729835]

>>21729816
based

[Anonymous No.21729859]

>>21729816
Based.

[Anonymous No.21729875]

>>21729816
I dont think anyone is arguing that you cant do this. you just arent entitled to these things. Dont work in protest, thats your MO. here’s to you. otherwise figure out a way to get those things.

[Anonymous No.21729894]

>>21729875
> you just arent entitled to these things
I'm entitled to whatever I want. A caveman would laugh at you if you told him this and then club you over the head. Entitlement bad is peak slave morality.

[Anonymous No.21729917]

>>21729834
You keep focussing on urban wagies caught in advanced civilisation.

[Anonymous No.21729930]

>>21726817
based fuck people, I don't honestly care if a lot of people die and starve. I'm only here for myself and i'll keep it that way because people always treat me like shit no matter what, so fuck that guy.

>>21726849
go starve you fucking waste, if you can't play the game then just quit.

[Anonymous No.21729941]

>>21729816
Those four points were literally the standart for men for thousands of years. Now look at us.

[Anonymous No.21729942]

Why can't the wagies leave an innocent book recommendation thread alone? Why must they always instigate?

[Anonymous No.21729972]

>>21729894
no anon, you simply are misconstruing entitlement with want. entitle implies manifest right to something from on high past the indivigual. a master morality would scoff at such an abstraction of a higher right beyond capability itself that applies and restricts all involved. a caveman wants something, it attempts to get it. maybe they do, maybe they dont. entitlement is the literal definition of slave morality.

[Anonymous No.21729988]

>>21729942
because it’s inherently absurd.

[Anonymous No.21730002]

>>21729988
What is?

[Anonymous No.21730017]

>>21729942
It really is rather remarkable, isn't it, their irresistible need to shout from the rooftoops and announce to the empty void that they love their jobs, they love their commute, and they love the consumption that is possible, when they trade the best half of their wakeful hours for money - for 50 years straight.
I mean, it is good that they are happy with their roles, that is splendid, but I don't understand why they shout so much about it. Who is it that needs convincing? Neither do I understand the reflex conditioned hatred of people who thrive with another lifestyle.

[Anonymous No.21730036]

>>21729941
Have you thought about the women though? They thrive in this corporate urban hellscape of dating apps and Netflix "entertainment". Sure, you could argue that maybe women aren't having such a great time when the majority of them end up hooked on lobotomy pills even before turning 30, but if you criticize the current year lifestyle they'll stomp and screech and queef until you're cancelled.

[Anonymous No.21730037]

>>21729942
>The problem with the other origin of the “good,” of the good man, as the person of ressentiment has thought it out for himself, demands some conclusion. It is not surprising that the wagies should bear a grudge against the great NEETs, but that is no reason for blaming the great NEET for taking advantage of the little wagies. And when the wagies say among themselves, "These NEETs are evil, and he who least resembles a NEET, who is rather its opposite, a wagie,—should he not be good?" then there is nothing to carp with in this ideal's establishment, though the NEET may regard it a little mockingly, and maybe say to themselves, "We bear no grudge against them, these good wagies, we even love them: nothing is tastier than a wagie's tax money."
Friedrich Nietzsche, On the Genealogy of Morality

[Anonymous No.21730041]

>>21730017
arent you just scapegoating one extreme in order to make another (just as absurd) more reasonable? I think most people have a degree of both dislike and like of their work, with the balance differing from person to person. Just seems polemic and illogically pessimistic.

[Anonymous No.21730075]

I hate working so much. My last job was as bookkeeper in store for nine miserable years. I don't want to be leech, but most low level jobs treat their employees as shit. I just want to work somewhere quite that pays a livable and be forgotten.

[Anonymous No.21730080]

>>21730075
Right? I have no issue working and contributing to society, but working these low level jobs is so fucking pointless. You get treated like shit all day, you can get fired easily and no one will care, you get paid like shit. What is even the point? I should of fucking tried in school christ.

[Anonymous No.21730148]

>>21730036
Women are way more miserable in the atomised, liberalised sexual marketplace we have nowadays than men for a simple but inalterable psychological reason: The man desires the object of lust while the woman desires being perceived as the object of lust.

For a little while when young, this fact works out in favour of women since they get no shortage of validation from attention itself, and can be picky about who they allow to consume them as the object of lust as their ultimate validation, for which they choose the highest quality men. This leads to a lot of young men being frustrated, since they never get to consume the object of their desire.

However, later in life this balanced shifts. As we age and get less attractive, being desired as an object of lust becomes harder and harder. This is unpleasant for both men and women, but for women it is worse since being an object of lust is her essential desire in the sexual market place. Men, while they also get less desirable, are less hurt by this. Their primary goal is to consume objects of desire, and their own attractiveness is merely an instrument towards that goal. Older men, aged, fat and ugly, still desire the same thing as young men: To consume objects of lusts. At this stage they may have a harder time doing this based on pure charm, but given that the sexual marketplace is in fact a marketplace this is merely a small obstacle: They can simply use financial transactions, either directly or in more subtle variations, to acquire the ultimate object of lust: The young attractive woman.

This is something that is fundamentally unavailable to women, since they desire to be desired instead of merely consuming the object of their desire. They can't simply pay for sex, because sex is not what they crave. They crave for a man to want to consume them for no ulterior motive other than desire. And this is a thing that can't be bought. Some women momentarily delude themselves that young third world men fall in love with them, but but illusion quickly falls apart once those men have gotten the resources they want and the woman gets left behind in an even worse state.

Some might say the same is true for men, that they're fooling themselves when indulging in young affordable pussy, and there is some truth to this if the men tell themselves the woman are with them purely for their own attractiveness. But generally this isn't the case. A middle aged man is perfectly content consuming a young partner as an object of lust without the illusion of being attractive himself. A middle aged woman is not.

This is why men resort to prostitutes and women to pets. The former wants to fuck and does fuck, the latter wants to be desired, and in the absence of the possibility of being sexually desired she opts for a helpless animal that is bred to give her affection and relies upon her as a soothing balm to the impossibility of her true desire that will remain unfulfilled for the vast majority of her life.

[Anonymous No.21730337]

>>21729988
working is absurd

[Anonymous No.21730368]

>>21725433
I myself don't understand anti-work. What else is there really

[Anonymous No.21730407]

>N-no Grug, I shouldn't help you bring down the mammoth because work is like, soooooo absurd you know what I mean? I'm just a deep thinker you know, and I've realized that doing any work to benefit the tribe is just trivial nonse-ACK

[Anonymous No.21730417]

>>21730368
If the amerimutts didn't win the war, I garuntee you this guy would have been beheaded in the imperial Japan.

[Anonymous No.21730425]

>>21730407
Ironic.

[Anonymous No.21730435]

>>21730407
Average work in hunter gatherer society was 6 hours a week. It's weak people that can't even fit wisdom teeth in their mouth that's forcing high IQ high anabolic Chad to work like a dog. It's the weakingling in that scenario that probably said "you're entitled!" to Chadgrug.

[Anonymous No.21730460]

>>21726849
Oooh, it's the highly regarded "no u" defense.
You're a child.
Unless you can figure out how to channel that 40% food waste to people, you can't use it to supply free lunches.
If you expect someone else to do all the work of something you strongly believe in, you're a child.
And what exactly do you propose to tax, if not income, or the consequences of income like buying stuff?
Have you thought this through? Of course not. You're a child.
I'm sick to death of adult-sized children that want to live with mommy and daddy for the rest of their lives, and want to put the government in the position of being their new parents.
Try growing up instead.

[Anonymous No.21730471]

>>21726600
>It's incredibly easy
>Of course, that takes effort, initiative, creativity, and luck.
yeah

[Anonymous No.21730479]

>>21728159
can you actually name some?

[Anonymous No.21730515]

>>21728159
>Life without any sort of work is pretty boring.
Only if you're boring.

[Anonymous No.21730523]

>>21728159
>reddit-tier
newfag that doesn't even remember m00t's guide to neetbux tries to calls things reddit. cute

[Anonymous No.21730526]

>>21725813
This is sad

[Anonymous No.21730548]

Got home a while ago...from WORK! Let the NEET seething begin!
>>21726413
China doesn't have a social welfare system.
One of the reasons they can't get young couples to have children is that they can't afford to do that and take care of their parents/grandparents.
Can you elaborate on these handouts that you think China has?
>>21727235
Better than you?
Anyone that can support themselves, and doesn't demand that others make effort so that they can make no effort, is by definition a loser.
You have some serious self-esteem issues...deservedly so, from what I can tell.
>>21727734
Kudos to you, sir. Very good explanation.
It'll fall on deaf ears with adult-sized children, but at least we tried.
I'm sure his parents tried to explain the same thing to him, and it went about as well.
>>21728150
Be careful what you wish for.
>>21728779
Picrel may get you started living your "dream".
Spoiler alert: it's a lot more work than you seem to think.
>>21728847
Freedom is life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
It's not being allowed to do any damn thing you want to do. That's anarchy.
And in an anarchy, anyone sitting on their dead ass gets culled quickly.
>>21728876
What wagie seethe?
>>21728977
By your definition, eating is servitude.
What's your plan to eliminate that, genius?
>>21729248
How exactly can you afford this lifestyle?
>>21729513
You can go live the hunter/gatherer lifestyle in sub-Saharan Africa, or southeast Asia.
Why don't you? We both know why...because it's more work than you can stand.
>>21729811
You realize that waiting that long dramatically increases the risk of birth defects, right?
>>21730080
>I should of fucking tried in school christ.
Ultimately, that's the real problem here.
I also tried *outside* of school...which is why I'm not suck in low-wage hell.
>>21730148
Nothing here but thinking with your dick.

[Anonymous No.21730557]

>>21730548
>By your definition, eating is servitude.
Food serves me, the end in itself.

[Anonymous No.21730587]

>>21730557
Let me rephrase that, since you missed the point.
By your definition, the NEED to eat is servitude.

[Anonymous No.21730600]

>>21730548
>You can go live the hunter/gatherer lifestyle in sub-Saharan Africa, or southeast Asia. Why don't you? We both know why...because it's more work than you can stand.
I said that hunter-gatherers choose the easiest path available to them, to illustrate that taking the easy way is the norm. I didn't say that their life is easier than mine.

For me to move to the wilderness in a different country illegally to join some local tribe, learn their language and way of life et cetera is a lot of hassle so it would the opposite of living by that principle. For me, the path of least resistance is to collect welfare, housing and healthcare and relax and take it easy and enjoy activities I like, paid for in taxes by people like you.

[Anonymous No.21730607]

>>21730587
Why do you think so?

[Anonymous No.21730666]

>>21730548
t. SSRI and antipsychotic patient. Time to up your dose.

[Anonymous No.21730667]

>>21726413
>do nothing
>energy drained
what did this tranny communist mean by this?

[Anonymous No.21730690]

>>21730667
NTA but this is a commonly understood phenomenon (the drain of being outside your own physical and mental space) by anyone who has ever worked a job you literal child.

[Anonymous No.21730692]

>>21730607
Because you can't help but need to eat.
You have to serve that need.
>>21730666
The only drug I'm on is caffeine.
I don't even drink.
Seethe more.

[Anonymous No.21730713]

>>21730690
K, well I just worked for 8.5 hours, then went to the gym for another 2 hours, so I'm not sure what you mean by "I'm so exhausted after not doing anything".

[Anonymous No.21730719]

>>21730713
Bad jobs are soul-draining.
A common characteristic of low-wage, low-skill work.

[Anonymous No.21730729]

>In our time it is fashionable to exalt work of whatever sort and no matter how it is accomplished, as if it had some superlative value in itself independently of any consideration of another order. This has been the subject of innumerable pronouncements as empty as they are pompous, not only in the profane world but, what is more serious, even in the initiatic organizations remaining in the West. It is easy to understand that this way of envisaging things is directly linked to the exaggerated need for action that characterizes modern Westerners; work, at least when so considered, is obviously nothing but a form of action, and a form to which the 'moralist' prejudice is bound to attribute more importance than to any other because it more easily lends itself to being presented as a 'duty' for man and as ensuring his 'dignity'. Added to this there is usually a clearly anti-traditional motive, namely the depreciation of contemplation, which is assimilated to idleness, whereas on the contrary it is really the highest activity conceivable, and whereas further, action separated from contemplation can only be blind and disordered. All of this only too easily accounts for those who declare, no doubt sincerely, that 'their happiness lies in action' itself; we would rather say in 'agitation', for once action is thus taken for an end in itself, whatever the 'moralist' pretexts invoked to justify it, it is truly nothing more than that.
>Contrary to what the moderns think, any work that is done indiscriminately by anyone solely for the pleasure of acting or because of the need to 'earn one's living' hardly merits being exalted, and indeed it can only be regarded as something abnormal, opposed to the order that ought to regulate human institutions, to such a point that, in the conditions of our age, it only too often acquires a character that without any exaggeration qualifies as 'infra-human'.

René Guénon on the 'glorification of work'

[Anonymous No.21730737]

>>21730600
On the other hand, I have self-esteem, stability, and the knowledge that my future will be better than my past.
Do you have any of these things?
I can also assure you I can afford a much more comfortable lifestyle than you have.
You've lowered your expectations into the ground, yet you pretend you like the taste of mud.
Also, not requiring work from welfare recipients is a recent phenomenon, mostly driven by the pandemic.
What do you plan to do when that ends, as it most assuredly will?
Your life hangs by an inevitable government budget-cut, even in the most left-leaning states.

[Anonymous No.21730745]

>>21730713
Yes I go to the gym after work too. Not only does that not mean wasting time in the labor force isn‘t tiring but this is to address general social malaise and consider meaning beyond wage, not to fan our personal balls with unverifiable claims.

[Anonymous No.21730761]

>>21730729
>exaggerated
His opinion, nothing more.
>contemplation
If the posts on here are any indication...we're getting nothing back on our investment in "welfare".
At least his writing earned him a living.
>any work that is done indiscriminately by anyone solely for the pleasure of acting
Strawman argument.
>ought to
Entitlement mindset.
inb4 "But...but he's an expert": I'm not impressed with credentials. Show me what you can actually do.

[Anonymous No.21730772]

>>21730692
You're delusional and manic and coping severely with needing to work. You have something beyond Stockholme syndrome. If I owned a business I would love to have you as an employee.

[Anonymous No.21730783]

>>21730737
>Do you have any of these things?
Yes, all of them.

>I can also assure you I can afford a much more comfortable lifestyle than you have.
I have all the comforts I desire in life and more money than I know what to do with, I'm not jealous of your Funko Pop collection.

>Also, not requiring work from welfare recipients is a recent phenomenon, mostly driven by the pandemic. What do you plan to do when that ends, as it most assuredly will? Your life hangs by an inevitable government budget-cut, even in the most left-leaning states.
Lol no, people have been welfare leeches for at least half a century. Entire generations have followed eachother in this path. Your little revenge fantasy doesn't hold any water. Removal of the welfare state would destabilise countries so much that none of them can afford it. The only way it will end is civilisational collapse, and in that case the wagies are equally fucked, probably more so than the resilient lumpenprole. Until then, the welfare state is like a ratchet, it only moves one way.

[Anonymous No.21730787]

>>21730729
>René Guénon
It's René Guénon (P.B.U.H.) Never omit that from his name again or else.

[Anonymous No.21730793]

>>21730761
>Entitlement mindset.
AKA Master morality. Get back to work, slave.

[Anonymous No.21730799]

>>21730793
based neet aristocrat

[Anonymous No.21730818]

>>21730772
Most people are wise enough not to try to diagnose strangers over the Internet.
For some reason, you don't possess this wisdom.

[Anonymous No.21730836]

>>21730783
It's simple to remove the welfare state.
When the permissive benefits are cut, the formerly generous government will say the needy have to apply for new benefits, down this dark hallway and in this dark room, where they will be killed quietly.
Then use hydrothermal liquefaction to turn them into crude oil.
Your last act will be going out my car's tailpipe.
And like I said before, it'll be the Democrats and Socialists that will do this first.
That's the problem with being dependent on the government...you are theirs to do with as they please.

[Anonymous No.21730874]

>>21730836
>dreaming up extravagant and elaborate ressentiment driven revenge fantasies while you should be focussing on your excel sheets

[Anonymous No.21730900]

>BUT MUH HUNTER GATHERER SOCIETIES, 6 HOUR/WEEK OF WORK etc
You mean the same societies where making it to 30 yrs old was rare, drying of a stubbed toe was the norm, having your wife taken a slave and you and your children killed was a the norm, being a meal away from death was the norm, etc etc.

I actually can't believe parasites have to resort to BUT 50K YEARS AGO THINGS WERE LIKE, DIFFERENT!. Pathetic. Here's an idea: if you want to work 6 hours a week, why don't you move to the jungle and give up internet, healthcare, modern food etc and live happily as a hunter gatherer?? Oh right, you love to post pepes and you want to leech off other people's work.

At least the niggers on welfare don't go around deluding about their lazyness. Remember that as you collect your NEETbux : you're worse than a nigger

[Anonymous No.21730917]

>>21730900
You mean the same societies where making it to 30 yrs old was rare, drying of a stubbed toe was the norm, having your wife taken a slave and you and your children killed was a the norm, being a meal away from death was the norm, etc etc.
This is such a dumb meme. This factors in child mortality, if they don't die as a babby they make it to the same age as amerifats and do so in better health, which is more than many a civilised country today. Also slavery barely existed until domestication took off. Starvation was rare as wildlife and vegetation was plentiful.

[Anonymous No.21730930]

>>21725416
Also redpilled on the aging question, certainly an interesting character.

[Anonymous No.21730949]

>>21730836
if you think the elites wouldn't crush a common wagie such as yourself just as hard as a neet you are mistaken

also the unemployed rabble is perfect voting cattle to weaponise against the middle class, they're natural allies of the elites, this has been the case since ancient times.

ceasar gib bread we support ceasar

[Anonymous No.21730982]

>>21730836
The welfare state will never be removed, everyone benefits from it in some way. The most realistic outcome for the future of welfare will be to decentralize it and have systems based on trust, rather than reporting.

[Anonymous No.21731115]

>>21730982
what about ubi?

[Anonymous No.21731130]

>>21730874
It's neither extravagant nor elaborate...hydraulic liquefaction is surprisingly simple.
And I've only used Excel to look at the output of scientific studies I implement.
But someone else does the statistical analysis.
>>21730949
The elites won't crush me because they need the things I produce.
You produce nothing. You are theirs to do with as they please.
And left-leaning governments tend to get rid of their most fanatic followers, because they're docile and disposable, doing what they're told for the "good of the state" (and to assure their continued welfare payments).
The Soviet Union did it with Lysenkoism, China did it with the Great Leap Forward, and the USA's Deep State did it with mandates for toxic COVID vaccines that didn't prevent infection and didn't stop transmission, but did a great job of inducing premature death in healthy populations.
You're cattle. Moo for your master!

[Anonymous No.21731158]

>>21731130
>spread toxic vaccines
>the people who uncritically take vaccines are all the useful middle and upper class wagies while the unemployed lumpenproles in the trailerpark and the hood who believe in conspiracy theories refuse them

Either the elites are retarded or you are.

[Anonymous No.21731165]

>>21725405
How do you live if you don't work? I don't like working either but one's gotta eat.

[Anonymous No.21731186]

>>21731165
The current population of the United States of America is 336,152,690 as of Wednesday, March 1, 2023. As of January 2023, there were 131.18 million full-time employees in the United States.

Working is actually a minority activity in developed nations.

[Anonymous No.21731245]

>>21731186
How many are kids, retired, or homemakers?
Your numbers are misleading.

[Anonymous No.21731252]

>>21731186
Imagine being this retarded

[Anonymous No.21731254]

>>21731245
They’re not misleading at all, that’s my point. The world is full of people who do something other than working for a wage.

[Anonymous No.21731265]

>>21731254
>well you see, toddlers, babies, kids, and most kids in middle and high school, as well as retirees, they don't work!
The mental gymnastics parasites tell themselves to feel better lmfao

[Anonymous No.21731341]

>>21731265
It's almost like they admit they're adult-sized children.
After all, they want to live at home with mommy and daddy for the rest of their lives, and want the government to take over as their doting parents.

[Anonymous No.21731409]

>>21731158
I can stay within a budget; the spending habits of our so-called "elites" would make a drunken sailor blush.
And I never took the vaccine, in case you missed >>21731130 picrel.
Now learn about your bright, exciting future, parasite...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrothermal_liquefaction
It's even carbon-neutral! It's good for the planet!

[Anonymous No.21731410]

>>21730917
>Also slavery barely existed until domestication took off
replace that with constant warring between tribes, which involved stealing women as wives
>Starvation was rare as wildlife and vegetation was plentiful.
Lmfao. The "Spirit/Monster that lives in the forest because he ate human flesh during a period of famine" is a classic trope among hunter gatherer tribes' tales. And guess what? You weren't born in a hunter-gatherer tribe. Crying about being born in le wrong generation doesn't make you any less of a fucking parasite

>>21731341
It's pathetic. I'm actually amazed at the shit that these losers are coming up with to try and justify their useless-ness. Literally "but hoomans society used to be different 50 thousand years ago!" like what the fuck is wrong with these people?

[Anonymous No.21731582]

>>21731265
You see, they all used to work. Every single able bodied person from little children to the elderly would work. Now we're down to a small part of the population: Some of the men and women of a certain age. Most of them work in optional, franky frivolous occupations and bullshit jobs.

"One's gotta eat" indeed, but industrial society has become so efficient that almost nobody has to work anymore. The idea that we all have to toil is leftover morality from agrarian times. Useful at the time, but dated and increasingly downright counterproductive in a work where there's simply nothing useful to do for the majority of the population except for enjoying life and playing around.

[Anonymous No.21731659]

>>21726026
Go read about parasites you dumb fuck

[Anonymous No.21731669]

Wagies absolutely seething in this thread. The day of the rope will NEVER come, i will NOT work, i WILL parasite of this society. Cope + seethe + youre a wagie

[Anonymous No.21732353]

>>21730548
>meticulous mass reply
>seeping with impotent hatred
>"what wagie seethe?"
God you people are caricatures

[Anonymous No.21732393]

>>21727734
>Businesses put out offers for people saying “if you do X we’ll pay you Y” and people can choose to accept or refuse. You’re not forced to do anything.

guy lights my house on fire, says i can choose to stay inside or run outside, its up to me, he's not forcing me to do anything. i'm an entitled shit for thinking he should not have set my house on fire

this is your brain on american culture

[Anonymous No.21732408]

>>21727734
>Capitalist business action is always purely voluntary and contractual.

right, like when the native tribes of the amazon voluntary and contractually allowed chevron to poison their water supply, collapse their eco system, and destroy their food supply because chevron hired mercenaries to gun them down if they resisted

[Anonymous No.21732481]

>>21725446
His grandfather's origin is all I needed to know about him.

[Anonymous No.21732714]

>>21732393
Nobody set your house on fire. Nobody damaged your property. The business owners put out a job offer which says they’ll pay you a certain amount of money if you complete certain tasks and you have every right to accept or refuse this offer, without any threat of violence to your person.
>oh but if I don’t work I’ll starve
Yes, it’s a harsh reality of this world that resources are scarce and require labour to acquire. This is true from the barbarian tribe which hasn’t progressed beyond the hunter gatherer lifestyle to the most developed civilisation. Barring automation, this will never change.
But the business owner didn’t do this to you. This is just a fact of the world. The business owner doesn’t owe you anything and it’s not his duty to give up his property so you can escape the need for labour. You refused his offer for a job, so if you want to survive you will now have to find a way to get food and shelter. To blame the business owner for this is like blaming him for the fact that your body needs food to survive. It’s not his fault, it’s just the way the world is.
>>21732408
If the tribes owned that water supply and someone came in with the threat of violence and took it from them then that is not capitalist business action, that is theft.
But in most of these socialist “horror stories” it’s completely distorted. Did the tribes make it clear in an intersubjectively discernible way that they own the water supply, for example by erecting barriers, or were they just using it as an unowned resource?

[Anonymous No.21732727]

>>21729004
We do live in post scarcity. If the global population was reduced to 1 billion, the world would be a utopia.

[Anonymous No.21732731]

>>21729763
Kek, absolutely BTFO'd him.

[Anonymous No.21732732]

>>21725405
As I see it, if society doesn't believe I'm owed a girlfriend, then they shouldn't expect to be owed a worker. No virgin gf, no work. Simple as.

[Anonymous No.21732734]

>>21729780
You get 1.5x your individual benefit for each child you have up to two. Employers won't give you a raise if you have a kid. Nothing personal.

[Anonymous No.21732742]

>>21732732
Just work for 8 hours a day (plus commute) and go to the gym for two hours a day like the one wagie in this thread. Then when you have a blown out tatted non virgin girlfriend, she can also work and take up the remainder of your free time. If you're lucky you can marry her and have a kid and raise him to do the same thing.

[Anonymous No.21732772]

>>21732742
>what is part time work

[ChadGPT No.21732787]

>>21725405
Here are some philosophers and authors who have expressed anti-work or anti-labor sentiments in their writing:

Friedrich Nietzsche - In his work, Nietzsche often critiques the idea of work as a source of value and suggests that people should strive to create their own values rather than conforming to societal norms.

Bob Black - An American anarchist and author of the essay "The Abolition of Work," in which he argues that work is inherently oppressive and that people should strive for a post-work society.

Paul Lafargue - A French socialist and author of "The Right to Be Lazy," which argues that people should be able to choose how much work they do and that society should prioritize leisure and pleasure over labor.

Bertrand Russell - In his essay "In Praise of Idleness," Russell argues that people should work less and prioritize leisure and intellectual pursuits over material success.

Ursula K. Le Guin - The science fiction author has written about the value of play and imagination as an alternative to the demands of work, particularly in her novel "The Dispossessed."

Franz Kafka - The author's works often explore the absurdity and dehumanizing effects of bureaucracy and institutionalized labor, particularly in works like "The Metamorphosis" and "The Trial."

Michel Foucault - In his work, Foucault critiques the ways in which modern society has created a culture of productivity and control, arguing that individuals should strive for greater autonomy and freedom.

David Graeber - An American anthropologist and author of "Bullshit Jobs," in which he argues that many modern jobs are meaningless and exist only to maintain societal hierarchies rather than serve a productive purpose.

Overall, these thinkers and authors offer different perspectives on the value and meaning of work, and challenge traditional ideas about labor and productivity.

[Anonymous No.21732810]

>>21725433
INCORRECT
anti-work is acceptable to the powerful because it fails to address the real problem with work which is alienation
work is good, it is one of the most important types of human behaviour, fundamental to well being
however alienated labour is to work what being a prostitute is to intimacy
we should be striving to liberate work from alienation but instead useful idiots like the anti-work crowd present the alternative to work as a desirable fantasy that simply cannot exist
so then you have a dichotomy being presented to us, there are two choices: submission to alienated wage labour for the benefit of the owner class vs. a ridiculous fantasy for contemptible losers
and as such they set the boundaries of thought and the brain-dead masses do what their masters want
you are a perfect example, totally incapable of seeing out set the horizon set for you by people who literally see you as a natural resource to be exploited
faggot

[Anonymous No.21732827]

>>21732787
who cares about working
AI will replace us at this rate

[Anonymous No.21732836]

>>21725433
It's nothing more than Democrats (again) promoting lifestyles that require people to vote for them constantly, at the expense of everyone else who works.
Democrats don't give a shit about the economy or anything as long as they keep getting paychecks and remain in power.

[Anonymous No.21732892]

>>21730548
>written by a woman
Doubt

[Anonymous No.21732900]

>>21732836
>believing in differences in the uniparty

[Anonymous No.21732925]

>>21732714
i dont give a fuck about business owner i will gladly kill him and take all his resources to create real personal value from it! There is myth of "bloodless revolution" as well as myth, that goverment is something more than burgeoise tool for keeping status quo. Police entire existence is to keep proles in check so they are unable to kill owners of their labour.
read State and Revolution

[Anonymous No.21732937]

>Work is le bad!
>Pls gib NEETbux!
"Alt righters" are just the incel version of libtards lmfao.

[Anonymous No.21732947]

>>21732937
See >>21732900

[Anonymous No.21732951]

>>21732947
Ah so NOW, when the subject of work is on the table
>BOTH PARTIES ARE LE BAD!

[Anonymous No.21732959]

>>21732951
What does **work** matter when you don't have sound money? If you aren't being paid in stable or appreciating assets you aren't being paid. Better to just do absolutely as little as possible to where you can afford to invest in real assets and build up some agrarian relationships.

[Anonymous No.21732963]

>>21732959
>invest in real assets and build up some agrarian relationships.
Strange way to say "collect NEETbux and post tranny wojacks in /pol/"

[Anonymous No.21732972]

>>21732963
Do you always fight imaginary enemies? You know real ones exist, right?

[Anonymous No.21732982]

>>21732972
I know, and parasites like yourself, who think that all "wagies" are miserable beings that work 10 hours a day in order to justify their own lazyness. See >>21728186
You're worse than niggers. Go ahead and post quotes about how working is le bad, and keep leeching off other people's sweat. You are the real enemy. You're just a burden, a waste of oxygen. You're the faggot that the other cavemen would've clubbed to death with your "I don't know guys, why should I help with menial work like hunting or fixing our huts? Haven't you guys read about what Kafka said about work?"

[Anonymous No.21732992]

>>21732982
I work in IT and do almost nothing at all. I'm looking at which 0% property tax state to move to and start building a ranch to get off the goyslop supply chain. Expense reduction goes a lot further than keep a wide funnel brimmed with water.

Here's another protip; don't get legally married so your wife can file for welfare as a single mother and you can write off child support payments to her while charging her rent that she then writes off.

[Anonymous No.21733009]

>>21728180
You either work for money or money works for you. If you start a business then you might progress from one to another but the odds aren't very good.

[Anonymous No.21733016]

>>21733009
Businesses have to work to provide value in spite of the government tick leaching money from them and debasing all of their earnings. Other than pump and dumps built on artificial low fed fund rates and malinvestment it is next to fucking impossible to turn a decent profit. You either are a tick on government contracts, a tick on fed money, or a supremely competent innovator. Odds are extremely low that you can make it outside of basic services like automotive or contracting. Not to mention liability and insurance overheads. If you are trying to get into business here is the biggest tip: find a way to aquire free government money at all costs. Get a contract building or servicing something for the state and then constantly delay it and delay it and delay it and say it needs more money. Then lobby your way into the next contract.

[Anonymous No.21733026]

Work is too nigger, neetbux too jewish so I do neither.

[Anonymous No.21733037]

>>21733026
Based poacher, the white man's *thievery*

[Anonymous No.21733040]

>>21730761
This post reeks of hylic-ness

[Anonymous No.21733045]

>>21732742
I also read for at least an hour a day while at work, AND have time to bad on communist transvestites such as yourself on /lit/.
Sounds like you're just worthless.

[Anonymous No.21733054]

>>21732742
Just work from home and get your work done in 2 hours.

[Anonymous No.21733058]

>>21732714
Even the normal expected course of events in declining an offer can make it a threat. Whether an offer is a threat depends on the recipient. Nozick discusses this in his essay on coercion.

[Anonymous No.21733206]

>>21732982
All that anger, and you even concocted an elaborate violent fantasy. Maybe you should ask shlomo if you can please take a vacation. This can‘t be healthy, but I guess you don‘t need health as long as you can keep entering the quarterly reports.

[Anonymous No.21733224]

>>21732925
>i dont give a fuck about business owner i will gladly kill him and take all his resources
Why do you think this action is justified since the business owner has done nothing to aggress against you or your property?

> create real personal value from it!
Socialism replaces the purely voluntary, contractual system of capitalism with coercive government bureaucracy. Since property is done away with, there can be no free exchange, and therefore there can be no prices, and therefore there can be no economic calculation, and therefore socialist societies cannot rationally allocate resources, leading to shortages and poverty. My parents grew up in the Soviet Union and had to wait in lines outside the shops for food.

>goverment is something more than burgeoise tool for keeping status quo.
Government is a non-voluntary, non-contractual institution which demands taxes at gunpoint, prints money and devalues the currency, forbids trading with foreigners (thus forcing up prices), wages wars, conscripts, redistributes wealth, and imposes regulations upon society.
Government has nothing to do with capitalism; it is the opposite. Protection of private property and law enforcement could be more efficiently accomplished by private insurance firms. Obviously since the government gets to decide arbitrarily what the price for their "protection" is, and since nobody can resist, the price of protection rises and the quality falls.

>>21733058
No, a threat is: "do X or I will do this bad thing to you" where "bad thing" means attack against person, family, or property.

A job offer is "do X and I will pay you Y". If you choose not to do X, you won't get paid Y, but not getting paid Y is not an attack against your person, family, or property. THAT would only be the case if Y is owed to you, which it clearly isn't. You're not entitled to other people's property just because you exist.

Plus, the bad thing has to be directly arranged by the person making the threat. If a mother tells her child "don't stick your hand in the lawn mower; it will get cut off" she is not making a threat, she is warning him. If she said "don't do X or I'll cut your hand off" she would be making a threat.

So, if you don't accept a job offer and you starve to death it's not because the business owner arranged you starving. That is simply a fact of the world, that the body needs sustenance to survive. The business owner did not cause you to starve to death, he did not prevent you from getting food, he did not create the laws of human biology. He had nothing to do with your death.

In short, capitalist business action is the definition of voluntary and contractual. It is never coercive. Only crime and state action is coercive.

[Anonymous No.21733271]

>>21733016
based wagie parasite

[Anonymous No.21733339]

>>21733224
>socialism leads to bread lines
>capitalism leads to onlyfans whores earning what it would take a regular man 80 years to earn in a month of pussy pictures
I think the reasonable conclusion is that both are cringe and gay, and one should work towards some third option.

[Anonymous No.21733343]

>>21732714
>Did the tribes make it clear in an intersubjectively discernible way that they own the water supply, for example by erecting barriers, or were they just using it as an unowned resource?

[Anonymous No.21733344]

>>21725405
Debord of course. who else?

[Anonymous No.21733346]

>>21733339
In an ancap world you could have a community which contractually agrees that one of the conditions of living there is not to watch pornography. If someone is caught watching porn they would violate the contract and be exiled. Plus, without state handouts and public schooling and all this stuff, there would be a greater emphasis on family and patriarchal values, thus less whores.

[Anonymous No.21733389]

>>21733346
Pilgrimcore is no longer possible bc industrial society. Only by returning to agrarian living can we return to agrarian morals.

[Anonymous No.21733420]

>>21733389
The amish exist.

[Anonymous No.21733435]

>>21733389
The point is that the state today practises forced integration. You MUST accept blacks into your community, you MUST bake a gay wedding cake, you MUST hire gender non-conforming people in your own private company or the state will come after you, you MUST teach your children secularism and evolution.
In an ancap world you'd have totally separated communities ruled by their own internal systems of law that you would have to contractually agree to before you could even buy property in their town.
Moreover there would be no state handouts for single mothers, bums, divorcees, or elderly people. There would be no public schooling. The family would once again become the central structure of society. Wives would depend on their husbands, children on their parents, elderly people on their children. This would once again instil the "agrarian morals" (family-centric patriarchal values) to which you refer.
And now with the power of exclusion (exile), communities could defend themselves against those morally poisoning influences that today we are forced to accept. You could have towns with no gays, no blacks, no atheists, no Protestants, etc. or whatever the town agrees to.
Of course that means you might also get degenerate towns too, but these would be outcasts and nobody would associate with them.
So you should consider that it is the rise of the democratic nanny state, and not industrial society, that is the cause of moral decline.

[Anonymous No.21733448]

>>21733420
amish are more compromised than you think

[Anonymous No.21733456]

>>21733435
You know why dystopian levels of state overreach and coercion exists? Because technology makes it possible. There is no developed, high tech state that does not do this, it's too tempting and game theoretically speaking just a good move for those in power.

This is also why ancaps will never see their dream realised as long as technological society props up the state.

[Anonymous No.21733495]

>>21733045
Reading in post work time is not enjoyable due to tiredness being incurred as the day progresses. Sounds like you're reading as a cope to distract from how bad your situation really is.

[Anonymous No.21733497]

>>21733456
What is the technological impediment to an ancap society?

At the end of the day state power comes from opinion. People believe that they should pay taxes and die for the state so they do it. Once belief disappears, politicians are nothing but men in suits giving pointless speeches which have no effect.

The reason that pilot dropped an atom bomb on innocent Japanese people killing hundreds of thousands and deforming millions was because he believed that the state is legitimate and he must follow its commands no matter how inhumane. If that belief disappeared from his mind he would've landed his aircraft peacefully and went about his life.

If you're referring to military technology for protection, then there's no reason why private insurance companies wouldn't also just get the same technology or even better and defend people from future attempts at coercion.

[Anonymous No.21733505]

>>21732772
Not enough to live on. It actually makes more sense to get a part time job for the post work hours instead of using them for coping activities like gym and sleepy reading. Time after work has no value whatsoever. Worthless. Might as well work the rest of the day and make more money.

[Anonymous No.21733512]

>>21733497
>What is the technological impediment to an ancap society?
The very existence of industrial level technology is what allows powerful, centralised states. As long as power centralised states can exist they will outcompete anarchist collectives, both in military capacity as well as propaganda.

[Anonymous No.21733547]

"For also when we were with you, this we declared to you: that, if any man will not work, neither let him eat."

[Anonymous No.21733548]

>>21733512
You have an annoying habit of not arguing for the assumptions you make.

States always start with a disadvantage because they demand taxes at gunpoint. Anybody who is robbing you at gunpoint has a hard task ahead of him if he wants to convince you it's for your own good.

If enough people stop believing in the state, then the power of politicians disappears. It's a matter of changing minds.

[Anonymous No.21733595]

>>21733548
>You have an annoying habit of not arguing for the assumptions you make.
I guess it is because they seem so obvious to me and the alternative, if you'll forgive me, to be terribly naive.

>States always start with a disadvantage because they demand taxes at gunpoint. Anybody who is robbing you at gunpoint has a hard task ahead of him if he wants to convince you it's for your own good.
If states are always at a disadvantage then why is every single scrap of land on earth controlled by a highly centralised state? If anarchists have a fighting change, why have they never succeeded even a little bit except for some temporary autonomous zone that got steamrolled in about five minutes?

As I said, the state does not only control the violence but also controls the narrative, to the point that they have convinced the world population that paying taxes is a reasonable enough demand to not revolt against on any meaningful scale for thousands of years. As technology and mass media grew, they have only gotten better at controlling the narrative. There may be few niche internet spots where they allow anarchists and the like to argue as a demonstration of free speech and a pressure valve of discontent, mostly because they're so harmless. It's like the quip about voting: If free speech made a difference it would be illegal.

>If enough people stop believing in the state, then the power of politicians disappears. It's a matter of changing minds.
This is a shared sentiment of a lot of fringe political ideologies: If only people agreed with us and acting in unison then our thing would be possible. But this is no minor feat and any ideology without a coherent plan to actually make this happen looks quite frivolous.

I have nothing in particular against your ideals by the way, I'm not mad at ancaps or something, I just think they're wildly unrealistic. The first question regarding any political ideal should be: Can it outcompete the status quo and then establish itself in such a way that it is able to ward out off outside threats consistently for a long if not infinite amount of time? If not, why even get caught up in the details of the would-be world it achieves if it's merely a pipedream?

[Anonymous No.21733615]

>>21733224
>No, a threat is: "do X or I will do this bad thing to you" where "bad thing" means attack against person, family, or property.
its like im arguing with stefan molyneux

[Anonymous No.21733821]

>>21733595
>If anarchists have a fighting change, why have they never succeeded even a little bit except for some temporary autonomous zone that got steamrolled in about five minutes?
listen buddy, i hate anarchists as much as the next guy, but all of human history does not exist solely in the united states from the year 2016 onward. to insinuate that CHAZ was the only piece of anarchist history is just an outright embarrassing self-own

[Anonymous No.21733881]

>>21733821
Maybe I used an overly specific phrase for rhetorical effect but I was thinking about Catalonia and such too.

[Anonymous No.21734051]

I can’t imagine how people can be so repelled by work. I guess this is what having an actual father figure does.
How do they even survive? Inheritance?

[Anonymous No.21734068]

>>21734051
In the first world the majority of the population doesn't work. Children, the elderly, single mothers, stay at home moms and dads, disabled or mentally ill people on neetbux, the homeless beggars, the unemployed, the criminals, the refugees, the prisoners, the trust fund kids, the capitalists, the investors, there are all kinds of ways to acquire a meal without employment in a society so bountiful, complex and full of surplus.

[Anonymous No.21734087]

>>21734068
Isn’t America first world?

[Anonymous No.21734138]

>>21734051
>having a father figure means you enjoy interacting with customers, writing sales reports, being deferential to your boss, commuting (unpaid), listening the HR-roasties tell you about company culture and equity, diversity and inclusion, preparing powerpoint presentations, watching powerpoint presentations, writing emails, reading emails and participating in meetings
I live in a first-world country so I get plenty of money in NEETbux to live modestly but comfortably.

[Anonymous No.21734140]

>>21734087
Yeah, see >>21731186

[Anonymous No.21734144]

>>21734138
He said having a father leads to being repelled by work I think. Which is still odd. Either that or he isn't expressing himself well.

[Anonymous No.21734187]

>>21734144
I was thinking him having a father figure leads to him being unable to imagine why one would be repelled by work, but I agree, poor verbal skills from that anon, maybe he had a hard day at work.

[Anonymous No.21734233]

>>21733595
>If states are always at a disadvantage then why is every single scrap of land on earth controlled by a highly centralised state?
>merely a pipedream
Well for the majority of European history we had monarchy, which is basically a slightly less developed version of anarcho-capitalism. Taxes were incredibly low (6-8% of national income from 11th century to 19th century), mass regulation and legislation did not exist, conscription did not exist, rebellion was much more likely, and oftentimes taxes were a semi-voluntary transaction.

Think about John the Good of France. His subjects told him they will only pay taxes if he stops debasing the currency by minting coins which were deficient in weight. Imagine that today: telling the state you'll only pay taxes if it stops printing money.

The currency was gold, so the state did not have control over money supply, and by the 19th century this developed into an international gold standard with one currency accepted in basically every country.

During this time we had great levels of cultural development, with geniuses like Shakespeare, Mozart, Bach, Euler, Gauss, etc. (compared with democracy: Eminem and Nicki Minaj).

And America too, even though it was not a monarchy, had very libertarian beginnings.

So we have a long history of successful libertarian societies. Just because democracy and democratic socialism/welfare statism (the latter being a necessary conclusion of the former) flourished after WW1 doesn't mean this is a necessary and irreversible development.

[Anonymous No.21734296]

>>21734233
Well to me all these things were possible precisely because society was less technological. It's no coincidence that these examples are from before the industrial revolution was completed and especially before modern communications, media and surveillance could take hold.

I agree that there was much more real practical freedom in a lot of ways under historical monarchs even if they were absolute rulers or down right tyrants, simply because when you run a country through guys on horseback and the occasional postal pigeon there are very real limits to the amounts of oppression you can manage.

A Ted quote comes to mind:

>The conservatives are fools: They whine about the decay of traditional values, yet they enthusiastically support technological progress and economic growth. Apparently it never occurs to them that you can't make rapid, drastic changes in the technology and the economy of a society without causing rapid changes in all other aspects of the society as well, and that such rapid changes inevitably break down traditional values.”

[Anonymous No.21734302]

>>21728921
Calm down, you should go sleep so you can wake up early tomorrow and work for my NEETbux

[Anonymous No.21734335]

>>21730900
What if i'm a proud egoist

[Anonymous No.21734339]

>>21731410
How retarded must you be to judge someone based on his "usefulness"

[Anonymous No.21734357]

>>21734335
This, if anything his disgusted rant actually kind of tickled my ego. To be called "lower than a nigger" by a wagie, to cause such seethe, that is a type of delicacy.

[Anonymous No.21734374]

>>21734296
Well I think it was the success of the French and American revolutions, and then the triumph of America in WW1, that brought about the end of the monarchic era in Europe, not because of technology. I mean you have Saudi Arabia, an extremely conservative monarchy with no income tax today. That's just because they didn't experience the contingent historical circumstances that affected us in Europe.

[Anonymous No.21734580]

>>21734374
Monarchy itself is an irrelevant detail here, the point is just how intrusive the state can be into the lives of citizens, since they will always have the strong incentive to do so as far as it serves them when they have the possibility.

It is technology that allows the degree to which they have this ability. Saying that you can have all the technology that allows the abuses of the contemporary state but without the downsides because we collectively decide to be good boys is no real solution.

you can’t eat your cake and have it too.

[Anonymous No.21734612]

>>21730337
>i want thing
>i attempt to get thing
no it isnt.

[Anonymous No.21734969]

>>21732925
You can't just do that, it's immoral and unethical, and is inhuman.

[Anonymous No.21735025]

Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave.

[Anonymous No.21735462]

>>21731582
Seriously?
The nations of the world compete furiously for dominance, or at least safety.
If any one of them falls behind, they find themselves dominated by others who don't share their values.
The launch of Sputnik in 1957 was such a moment.
America realized it was falling behind, and became hell-bent to catch up and exceed the Soviet space program.
In these accelerated times, Sputnik events happen every day.
>>21732727
Indeed! Hydrothermal liquefaction is the gift that keeps on giving!
>>21732732
Wow. Incredibly toxic mindset here. You're borderline advocating slavery here.
>>21732787
Unless any of these "thinkers" have a practical, working solution, it's just so much mental masturbation.
>>21732925
They tried that in CHOP/CHAZ. It failed miserably.
Also...you'd better choose an UNARMED business owner.
>>21732992
>I work in IT and do almost nothing at all.
Yeah, I noticed. Every IT department in every company where I've ever worked has absolutely SUCKED.
And rent is only deductible if the property is being used as a business.
>>21733040
You can't refute any of it, so you resort to an ad-hominem attack. Brainlet.
>>21733054
The company I work for just laid off a bunch of people like you.
>>21734339
That's simply how nature works.
You're arguing against objective reality here.

[Anonymous No.21735489]

>>21735462
>In these accelerated times, Sputnik events happen every day.
any examples?

[Anonymous No.21735520]

>>21735489
Gee, I don't know...
How about the rise of ChatGPT, putting bureaucrats, journalists, and hack writers on the cusp of losing their livelihoods?
Or Stable Diffusion, which is already putting graphic artists out of business?
Are you living under a rock or something?

[Anonymous No.21735528]

>>21735520
i don't know if i would call the latest chatbot iteration on par with putting the first humans in space desu

[Anonymous No.21735545]

>>21735528
Sputnik didn't put the first human (or any life form) in space.
Your ignorance is incredible.
And an artificial intelligence that can generate passable text/images, that previously could only be done by humans...dismiss it all you want, but I predict the world is going to be a VERY different place by the end of this year.

[Anonymous No.21735564]

>>21735545
Got my space events mixed up I guess. Anyway, your predictions seem to suggest that NEETism is only going to increase.

[Anonymous No.21735571]

>>21735564
Any increase in NEETism only increases the odds of total systemic collapse.
If something cannot go on forever...it won't.
The economy and currency are so wrecked at this point, any stimulus is inherently inflationary.

[Anonymous No.21735591]

>>21735571
This doesn't sound fun at all, I want to be comfy for at least half a century more at least.

[Anonymous No.21735608]

>>21735591
Somehow, I don't think there's much overlap between preppers and NEETs.