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White Noise Anonymous Tue Feb 21 02:00:23 2023 No.21688687 [Reply] [Original]

A coworker and I were talking about the train derailment in Ohio the other day. I brought up how I had read White Noise a few months ago and how bizarre the similarities between the book and real life are. I then tried to explain how the book is about a lot more than an airborne toxic event and really a Baudrillardian reflection on contemporary American culture and the emergence of hyperreality and how simulated reality is so pervasive that it is more real than reality. I even said 'the map has exceeded the territory' and 'it's all just waves and radiation'.
My problem is I know I'm on to something, but I sounded like a schizo retard and wasn't able to get my point across coherently. Probably because I haven't read Baudrillard and don't actually know what I'm talking about. So, where should I start with post modern philosophy so I can impress my coworkers with my big brain?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 21 02:13:16 2023 No.21688751 >>21688687 Stop shilling this already.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 21 02:14:44 2023 No.21688758 >>21688751 I'm not that other guy. This actually happened to me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 21 02:17:57 2023 No.21688780 >>21688687 it's just about overcoming your fear of death

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 21 02:21:17 2023 No.21688792 >>21688780 That aspect of it didn't resonate with me much. I have already killed 3-5 people in Afghanistan so I'm cool with it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 21 02:24:15 2023 No.21688808 >>21688792 it's good to know you have no fear of death cuz they'll be calling you up to go to ukraine soon enough.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 21 02:28:26 2023 No.21688827 where to start with this here baudrillard fella?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 21 02:30:56 2023 No.21688838 >>21688827 that's what im tryin to figure out

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 21 02:31:58 2023 No.21688844 >>21688827 start with the greeks

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 21 02:50:10 2023 No.21688902 >>21688827 Passwords America The Gulf War Did Not Take Place Simulation and Simulacra

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 21 03:04:05 2023 No.21688943 >>21688687 Holy fuck you cowardly retard. Pick up a baudrillard book, literally anything. If you don't understand something look it up. not hard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 21 03:09:31 2023 No.21688969 >>21688943 I did read The Gulf War Did Not Take Place but it was a bit nonsensical. I don't really understand his point. No shit it's all propaganda and 'simulacra' but that's just semantics. The real world still exists, I've seen the bodies.

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Anonymous Tue Feb 21 03:13:03 2023 No.21688978

>>21688969
i always thought that essay was kind of dumb, i mean did the crimean war not take place since most people read about it in newspapers and maybe saw a black and white photo of some dead guys? humans have always lived in a sort of fantasy world mediated by symbols. just because the shits coming from a tv instead of a church or something doesn't make it new.

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Anonymous Tue Feb 21 03:19:59 2023 No.21689001

i was kind of surprised to see a nytimes article today admitting that someone on the ukrainian side actually died. for the last year it had only been the russians dying by the tens of thousands, but none of the untrained ukrainian conscripts had perished. then today we find out that at least a half dozen ukrainains have been killed in war. two in a trench that got bombed, and those four guys who got hit by a rocket with that american dude. they almost made it a year without any losses!

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 21 03:22:06 2023 No.21689013 >>21688687 >they made a movie so zoom-zooms are shilling a book that hasn't been a hot take for over 3 decades

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 21 03:29:23 2023 No.21689042 >>21688978 Yeah, that's exactly what bugs me about it too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 21 11:04:22 2023 No.21690052 Bump

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 21 16:25:37 2023 No.21690786 >>21688687 If you’re not able to get your point across coherently or simply you’re not a schizo retard, you’re a fraud. And a faggot.

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Anonymous Tue Feb 21 18:44:11 2023 No.21691302

>>21688978
In the same way TV eroded regional dialects and propagated mass info, it also eroded individual perspectives. I think he's saying this universal man made doctrine is the simulation/hyperreal, not that symbols and meaning are? Eroding uniqueness makes us all simulacra, to a degree I think.

But his prose is dog shit (in my translation, anyways) so your guess is as good as mine.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 22 00:46:51 2023 No.21692946 File: 36 KB, 600x1029, baudrillard.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21688827

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 22 00:52:00 2023 No.21692972 >>21688687 White Noise was actually influenced by a poo-in-loo chemical accident, and it's not surprising to have accidents when your infrastructure isn't maintained and majority of country has deindustrialized.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 22 00:58:20 2023 No.21692989 >>21688687 There's no such thing as simulation. It's really just the Umwelt. Like any other animal we have a mental construction of the world and that's real. We don't say an ant is living in a simulation for not being aware of human economics.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 22 02:45:54 2023 No.21693330 >>21688751 He's holding the gun to your head. He wants your truth.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 22 08:25:53 2023 No.21694269 >>21688687 you did fine, keep at it. No need to read it but read it if you must., In fact OP you need to write and speak more.