Chart thread

[Anonymous No.21594099]

You know the drill
Also, does anyone have the arthurian lit chart(s)?

[Anonymous No.21594349]

>>21594099
nice chart

[Anonymous No.21594378]

[Anonymous No.21594445]

[Anonymous No.21594449]

>>21594378
why are feminism and anti capitalism tied together so often?

[Anonymous No.21594457]

>>21594449
its the same revolutionary spirit. the civilization of the mother.

[Anonymous No.21594465]

>>21594449
easier to smuggle it in if you latch onto a more legitimate cause

[Anonymous No.21594577]

>>21594378
jew, husband was jew, jew, jew, not a jew, turk, jew, jew, nigress, jew lover

early life section is strong with this one

[Anonymous No.21594782]

bump

lets see some rare charts

[Anonymous No.21594801]

>>21594445
got anymore that deal with this subject?

[Anonymous No.21594864]

>>21594099
I'm seeking chart(s) on world history up to the Greeks. What humans were up to before recorded history, basically. Stone age/neolithic/hunter-gatherer stuff.

I got 'Guns, Germs and Steel' by Jared Diamond and it's a start, but not quite what I'm looking for (Diamond seems a bit too sorry about his being a white guy) and Harari's Sapiens is a last resort. Thanks in advance.

[Anonymous No.21594989]

>>21594099
I believe in you anon

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[Anonymous No.21595083]

>>21594445
I had to drop Impeachment of Man. It's clear that the woman who wrote this just wants to justify having sex with animals

[Anonymous No.21595085]

[Anonymous No.21595088]

sorry for the bad copy

[Anonymous No.21595092]

[Anonymous No.21595095]

>>21594577
holy cringe

[Anonymous No.21595099]

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[Anonymous No.21595112]

>>21594989
The selection is looking good, brother, but this one needs some cropping. I also recommend The Simple Path to Wealth by J.L. Collins.

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[Anonymous No.21595146]

>>21594989
Jez that list looks dogshit. Not a single ancient greek.

[Anonymous No.21595196]

>>21595146
Good point. He should add Epictetus.

[Anonymous No.21595208]

>>21594099

[Anonymous No.21595510]

>>21595057
>this is America's Walden
Walden isn't American?

[Anonymous No.21595513]

>>21594099

[Anonymous No.21595549]

>>21594577
based heeb detector

[Anonymous No.21595690]

>>21595549
just a schizo with wikipedia open

[sage No.21595736]

>>21595068
Kaczynski absolutely wrecked that shitty ideology in his writings

[Anonymous No.21595785]

>>21595208
Well-made list overall but I lol'd at the Cathars being called "life-denying" after they literally got genocided by their opponents

[Anonymous No.21595791]

>>21594577
Thank you for notifying

chart dropped

[Anonymous No.21595798]

>>21594449
Feminism is integral to the capitalist machine. Doubles the amount of workers, atomizes the family, etc.

[Anonymous No.21596422]

anyone got a Freud chart? also an Ellul one?

[Anonymous No.21596440]

Asking for the arthurian chart once again, pretty please?

[Anonymous No.21596526]

[Anonymous No.21596557]

>>21595208
Any list that includes the Summa is a troll list.

[Anonymous No.21596952]

>>21594989
Which is the third book on the woman list? The one in the right?.

[Anonymous No.21597029]

>>21595798
There's feminist and anti-capitalist critiques to this as well

[Anonymous No.21597124]

>>21594989
Curious, you have read all of these right?

[Anonymous No.21597726]

>>21596440
Bump for this

[Anonymous No.21597744]

not quite a chart yet but here
supplementary pre reading: Don Quixote

Part 1) Start with the Samurai:
Bushido, the Soul of Japan -> Hagakure -> Code of the Samurai (Bushido Shoshinshu) -> The Life Giving Sword -> The Book of Five Rings

Part 2) Continue with the Chivalrous:
The Book of the Order of Chivalry -> A Knights Own Book of Chivalry Froissart's Chronicles -> Parzival

Part 3) Reflect upon the Relics:
The Golden Verses -> Delphic Maxims -> The Republic -> Enchiridion -> Meditations -> Dhammapada -> Analects -> Mencius

Part 4) Pertaining to the Perennialists:
The Mystery of the Grail -> The Crisis of the Modern World -> The Reign of Quantity and the Signs of the Times -> Revolt Against the Modern World -> Men Among the Ruins -> Ride the Tiger -> Initiation and Spiritual Realization -> Perspectives on Initiation

[Anonymous No.21597937]

>>21594864
Also interested in this topic

[Anonymous No.21598480]

>>21596952
Heartiste On Game
Get your eyes checked if you haven't already family

[Anonymous No.21598604]

>>21595107
I practically live by this chart

[Anonymous No.21598612]

>>21598604
What does that mean? You only read these books?

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[Anonymous No.21598833]

>>21597744
Why go through all that trouble if the chart would end with incel terrorist reading essentials?

[Anonymous No.21599257]

>>21598612
Nah I just really like book like the ones in the chart

[Anonymous No.21599294]

>>21594099
Does anyone have a chart on Aesthetics?

[Anonymous No.21599783]

Can anyone with a neutral opinion tell me if these charts are any good or if they're just meme.

[Anonymous No.21600042]

>>21597029
Proof?

[Anonymous No.21600245]

>>21599783
Charts on specific authors are good. The rest are meme.

[Anonymous No.21600280]

>>21595107
I hated Mo Hayder's Pig Island and thought it was a weak book with a lame ending. Rest of the books are fine.

[Anonymous No.21600283]

>>21594099
You know we have a whole wiki for this, right? You should read the sticky.
https://4chanlit.fandom.com/wiki/Charts

[Anonymous No.21600371]

>>21597744
Don't forget The Fall of Spirituality

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[Anonymous No.21600386]

>>21596557
Why?

[Anonymous No.21600387]

>>21595083
please elaborate

[Anonymous No.21600401]

>>21596422
>reads 'How to Read a Book'
>re-reads it the correct way

[Anonymous No.21600536]

>>21595068
Low effort graph, presumably made by someone who hasn't read the books displayed on it. Not only does Ted K reject Anarcho-Primitivism, but Technological Slavery contains ISAIF. Indeed, Technological Slavery basically is ISAIF, just with some extra letters and related essays thrown in. There is no need to recommend the same text twice.

[Anonymous No.21600578]

>>21600283
>a couple medieval poems mixed with goyslop
>no reading order
>missing Chretien de Troyes, Geoffrey, etc

[Anonymous No.21600597]

Start with the Greeks chart?

[Anonymous No.21600638]

>>21600401
>doesn't know how to read a book
>is recommended "How to Read a Book" which is a book

[Anonymous No.21600787]

>>21594577
checked.
came here to say this.

[Anonymous No.21600975]

>>21600376
I've read everything on fifth level from the top and I have no interest in reading level six. I guess I'm done with reading, see you anons outside!

[Anonymous No.21601820]

>>21594349
Yeah it might be the most legit I’ve seen here

[Anonymous No.21601831]

>>21595510
The fuck? It’s arguably the masterpiece of American transcendentalism

[Anonymous No.21602726]

>>21594577
Thank you for doing what you do, I really admire your selfless work.

[Anonymous No.21602901]

>>21597744
I'm happy that someone saved my proposed paladin reading list from months ago. Pretty surprising really.

[Anonymous No.21603921]

>>21595088
what a comfy chart. thank you anon. in proportion to her merits, willa cather may be the most underread 20th century american writer

[Anonymous No.21603939]

>>21596422
I ought to get around to making a freud chart anon. read a lot of him. might do it tonite actually

[Anonymous No.21603947]

intro to buddhism

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[Anonymous No.21604194]

>>21604088
>how to get dragged to hell chart

[Anonymous No.21604205]

>>21594099
>start with the Indo-Europeans
>posts a bunch of lukewarm academic self-fellatio instead of genuine Indo-European wisdom

[Anonymous No.21604285]

>>21595736
kek. this is true.

[Anonymous No.21604290]

>>21603939
that would be appreciated. i'm roughly basing my order on what i found on reddit (it was all i could find) https://www.reddit.com/r/askphilosophy/comments/5q53pv/comment/dcx3qnl/

this is my tentative reading order:
>Introductory Lectures on Psycho-Analysis
>On Dreams
>Three Essays on the Theory of Sexuality (i have the first edition, before he shoehorned the Oedipal theories; it's the Verso text, if you're interested)
>The Interpretation of Dreams (this one is also an early edition, so it doesn't come with all the weighty additions Freud added over the years)
>The Freud Reader (an anthology i found recommended a few times)
>The Unconscious
>Three Case Histories
>Beyond the Pleasure Principle
>Totem and Taboo

i'm missing works like Civilization because i wasn't able to find them physically. got them for some decent prices as used books in good condition.

[Anonymous No.21604317]

>>21595107
COWS has me intrigued

[Anonymous No.21604351]

>>21594449
Because women are a net loss for the socialist state.

[Anonymous No.21604404]

>>21594864
Man and his Symbols is proto-selfhelp midwit shit. It is a collection of essays, only one of which was written by Jung, that beat around the bush and spiral all over the place without ever making any specific points or teaching any of the meat of Jungian psychology. It has 0 value for anyone trying to get into Jung, you'd know this if you actually read it. Putting it as step three of a chart on Jung basically tells me the person that compiled it doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about.

[Anonymous No.21604406]

>>21594989
>The Book of Pook
>Models
hahaha Jesus Christ

[Anonymous No.21604416]

>>21604290
>>21600638
>>21598758
>>21596422
>>21595063
>>21595039
>>21594989
>>21594445
>>21594378
>>21594349
>>21594099

[Anonymous No.21604419]

>>21597744
>Part 1) Start with the Samurai:
How is this Indo-European?

[Anonymous No.21604457]

>>21601831
Yeah, but the chart says about Desert Solitaire: "This is America's Walden".

[Anonymous No.21604468]

>>21604419
>Indo-European?
where does it mention that in the post?

[Anonymous No.21604491]

>>21604404
thats every chart

[Anonymous No.21604494]

>>21604205
post genuine Indo-European wisdom

[Anonymous No.21604499]

How do these /v/ reading charts hold up to /lit/?

[Anonymous No.21604502]

>>21604499
Another one

[Anonymous No.21604868]

>>21604416
very funny, anon

[Anonymous No.21605055]

>>21594989
I don't often read self-improvement books but I found pic related to be good. The book details how basically anything can be learned and mastered through deliberate practice and stresses that learning skills is not contingent on the time spent learning (like the popularized 20,000 hours rule of mastering a skill) but rather the quality of training. The author I believe is a psychologist and he explains how he was able to teach one of his students number memorization to demonstrate the effectiveness of deliberate practice. His student could eventually repeat hundreds of random numbers from memory. I admit I ultimately didn't retain much more than that from the book, just the basic theme that repeated quality practice = success. The book goes into better detail and dispels many prejudices people have towards learning and 'talent'

[Anonymous No.21605082]

>>21600975
>Comet in Moominland
tasteful

[Anonymous No.21605371]

>>21596422
Now do one for Quadrivium

"The Categories" from Grammar are part of "The Organon" from Logic

Also do one for vocabulary

[Anonymous No.21605860]

>>21605055
I considered Peak, but Practice Perfect covers the same ground but with heavy emphasis on the practical end and the loftier parts of the theory cut out. Peak is primary source but this is a practical chart and I'll take a regurgitation if it's closer to the use case rather than theoretical end.

[Anonymous No.21606468]

>>21600975
>>21605082
Based Moomi enjoyer

[Anonymous No.21606505]

Is there a chart for the 100 years war?

[Anonymous No.21606944]

>>21604290
hmm. I'd mostly agree with this, but I'd say read New Introductory Lectures directly after Introductory Lectures. freud's odd because once you have those two under your belt you can read the rest in essentially any order you choose. some works are cultural critique, some expand on sexuality, some are writings about art and artists, etc. I would add the papers On The Dynamic of Transference, Mourning and Melancholia, and Why War?; The Freud Reader's excellent for a good selection of the papers but you'll have read good chunks of it prior if you stick to that reading order. throw in The Ego and The Id somewhere in there too. my personal order would look something like
>Introductory Lectures
>New Introductory Lectures
>The Interpretation of Dreams
>Three Essays On The Theory of Sexuality
>The Ego and The Id
then whatever papers you want after that. pleasure principle, melancholia, moses and monotheism, etc

[Anonymous No.21606987]

>>21604404
I only posted it so I could maybe recieve one on Neolithic/hunter-gatherer history. Give a chart, get a chart.

I liked Man and His Symbols okay, though I think Jung and M. Von-Franz's essays were the only ones worth reading. They were a good primer to Erich Neumann's The Origins and History of Consciousness, which is p good.

>>21597937
Looks like we're shit out of luck anon :/

[Anonymous No.21607307]

idk am I doing this charts thing right?

[Anonymous No.21607390]

>>21607307
Dune is space feudalists. Unless you are making some argument for divine right of kings, yes you are definitely doing charts wrong.

[Anonymous No.21607446]

>>21607307
Atlas Shrugged is as anti-socialist as it gets, and Infinite Jest has heavy anti-capitalist themes. The Stand isn't particularly anarchist, nor is the Silmarillion particularly fascist, but they aren't as diametrically opposite as Infinite Jest and Atlas Shrugged. Dune is the only one I'd agree with, given the primary struggle of the protagonist is to overcome his privileged upbringing and gain acceptance among a warrior race.

[Anonymous No.21607447]

>>21607390
Divine right of kings would be one type of meritocracy but that's why I call it encyclopedic because there's a lot of different types.

[Anonymous No.21607464]

>>21607447
Divine right of kings in a hereditary monarchy is the opposite of meritocratic. You are submitting to authority not based on its ability, but on a tradition of submission.

[Anonymous No.21607478]

>>21607446
>the stand isn't anarchist
post apocalyptic wasteland, idk what form of society you think could exist in that setting besides anarchy.
>Atlas Shrugged is anti-socialist
Still has managed to trick a generation of libertarian boomers into thinking Gault's gulch was capitalism perfected rather than what it actually is which is an American commune.
>Infinite Jest has anti-capitalist themes
you might not think the year of the Wonderchicken is a good idea but that doesn't mean it is anti-capitalist, it just is capitalist and you probably might have missed how making it to the show is as hollow and opportunistic as anything else.
>The Silmarillion isn't particularly fascist
I put Rings Lord in there not the Silmarillion, I would probably agree the Silmarillion isn't fascist, pretty sure it's mostly world building stuff.
The inscription on the One Ring is simply the thesis for fascism,
Tolkien having been a Lieutenant fighting against the Nazis it would make sense he would be compelled to write a book that exposes all of the forms of fascism and reasons why one would become a fascist.
I'm fairly sure that has been accomplished even if I err in assuming his intent.

>>21607464
Nepotism is still a form of merit, I doubt you would say Mozart or Bach are hacks simply because they come from established musical families.

[Anonymous No.21607543]

>>21607478
eh I don't like my explanation for rings lord, the actual continuation from "thesis for fascism" should be that the powers granted by the ring are equivalent to the powers of a fascist dictator.
The invisibility shields the user from accountability and the ability to have control over others is plainly dictatorial.
The ethnically homogenous societies, while typical of fantasy genre stuff for simplicity's sake is also typical of fascist governments as a method for strengthening the bands that (in darkness) bind them together and make them strong.
There's just a lot of stuff and I find it particularly hilarious that I don't see many people talking about how Rings Lord is an encyclopedic exposition of fascism, instead it's just "oh man walking is scary" or "this world is so so comprehensive".

[Anonymous No.21607738]

>>21607478
Ok, you are making that argument, well first that's dumb, but also how is that an encyclopedic explain of merit? It's all just dukes and emperors and their children dicking each other around. Do you have, you know, any examples of meritocracy that aren't generally considered the opposite of meritocracy?

[Anonymous No.21607761]

Here is the mega download for most charts
----> https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/suBSiKYI

You can usually find the link in the sci/fantasy general. It missing stuff, but it has most of it.

[Anonymous No.21607766]

>>21607761
I forgot to mention, that we also have a wiki with bunch of charts posted there already

https://4chanlit.fandom.com/wiki/Charts..

[Anonymous No.21607768]

>>21607761
I forgot to mention, that we also have a wiki with bunch of charts posted there already

https://4chanlit.fandom.com/wiki/Charts

[Anonymous No.21607773]

>>21600536
Is john Zerzan worth the time? I want to get a good and more realistic eco philosophical way of thinking. Obviously becoming caveman is not the right way to solve environmental issue in the world. Perhaps just limit the usage of tech to what is necessary.

[Anonymous No.21607839]

>>21594099
Anyone have an early Medieval chart? Im trying to keep going after reading Greeks, then Romans and now late antiquity.

[Anonymous No.21607961]

>>21600245
Thanks

[Anonymous No.21607977]

>>21594099
Should one do the languages first or will the start here book help me out learning the languages?

[Anonymous No.21607985]

>>21606944
thanks anon. i'll be taking up Freud after Nietzsche, and then some cursory texts on Jung after that. do you... see things any differently post-Freud? for lack of a better term, i'm curious to know what 'effects' Freudian thought might have on someone.

[Anonymous No.21608002]

>>21607761
I read all of these in the specified order but I'm still not in Middle-Earth. I feel cheated. Do not trust this guide!

[Anonymous No.21608369]

>>21594577
>Calling Öcalan a Turk
kek kill yourself you retard

[Anonymous No.21608462]

[Anonymous No.21608804]

>>21594577
kurd, turk
all the same shit
born in turkey

[Anonymous No.21608811]

>>21594099
Is there any chart more obvious a LARP than this?

[Anonymous No.21609012]

Wasn't there a chart somewhere with the books to understand women? Pride and Prejudice, Antony & Cleopatra, Madame Bovary, etc. Laughed so hard I nearly shit meself. Wish I'd saved it.

[Anonymous No.21609016]

>>21609012

[Anonymous No.21609025]

>>21594577
Check'd and notified

[Anonymous No.21609042]

>>21609016
>Only two out of the eleven authors are female.

Yup this will certainly help men unlock the mystery of women.

[Anonymous No.21609084]

>>21609042
>doesn't know George Eliot is a woman
ngmi, anon

[Anonymous No.21609161]

>>21594577
It's cause goy women couldn't read until like 40 years ago, how were they supposed to write about feminism

[Anonymous No.21609171]

Can't you just make "wishlists" or "to read lists" on Amazon like a normal person

[Anonymous No.21609204]

>>21607307
Profoundly retarded

[Anonymous No.21609221]

>>21594378
This is literally peak Tumblr feminism.

[Anonymous No.21609222]

>>21607738
>a society preoccupied with taking a drug that expands personal ability.
One other more "real" place I know where that happens is in high level athletics.
Are sports where people take performance enhancing drugs to remain competitive the opposite of meritocracy?
I generally think athletes are generally the preeminent examples for the power of raw merit even if they are optimizing their biology.

You placed a very low bar thinking it could possibly be a challenge to think of examples for meritocracy in a book I am claiming it is uniquely capable of doing.
As if this was a game of poker where I was bluffing and either accidentally just picked a random book and guessed based on nothing but the title or that I possibly heard it from someone else that it was a meritocracy.

[Anonymous No.21609242]

>>21609204
the text for the name box should not be written in the text box for replies.
Just a helpful tip, I know this site can be confusing at times.
Particularly for people who find books longer than 250 words exhausting.

[Anonymous No.21610060]

>>21609171
Madame, this is an image board.

[Anonymous No.21610500]

>>21604499
Why the fuck is Wuthering Heights on there? I'm not saying it's bad, but I don't see how it's relevant to anything else on that chart.

[Anonymous No.21610519]

>>21594099

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>>21610519

[Anonymous No.21610536]

>>21595107
Pig Island is horrible, and the ending ruins the whole book. The second half in general is just terrible, all the stuff with the cult leader's daughter.
>>21600280
This guy gets it.

[Anonymous No.21610622]

Can somebody share a chart about history books?

[Anonymous No.21610769]

>>21606987
I think Anthropology could cover the topic that we're interested in, but couldn't find any charts on it

[Anonymous No.21610814]

I'm reading Name of the Rose and it's pretty neat. Now I'd like some books to help me further understand the history of Christian thought, especially monasteries and various "heretical" groups, like the Waldensians, Bogomils, Cathars, and more obscure groups, from the beginning of Christianity up to the modern period.
Is there a chart for this stuff?
I'm not asking as a religious person or someone looking to be converted, but as a historyfag who just wants to know more about this stuff.

[Anonymous No.21610822]

Anyone have the chart which have books of guenon, evola and nietzsche? If i remember correctly it is called a Guide ti Riding the Tiger

[Anonymous No.21610823]

>>21610814
Catechisms

[Anonymous No.21610827]

>>21595196
You mean all of plato and aristotle right?

[Anonymous No.21610846]

>>21610827
that doesn't really serve the purpose of his chart, but sure

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[Anonymous No.21611558]

>>21611533
wait a minute, I look at this and only now notice those red boxes
did I save this from someone who had posted it with those he had read outlined?
weird

[Anonymous No.21611581]

>>21605371
OP of the chart
Aristotle's ideas about classification can help us understand grammar at a deeper metaphysical level (i.e the substance and attributes a word imparts)

[Anonymous No.21611600]

>>21608462
Is ribofunk any good?

>>21611558
2022 for you. No red boxes.

[Anonymous No.21611647]

>>21611600
Also this

[Anonymous No.21611750]

>>21611600
Faggot, post the real one

[Anonymous No.21612277]

>>21611750
Trying to making lemonade with your diary desu?

[Anonymous No.21612285]

>>21594445
Read Wendell Berry for something more realistic and humane.

[Anonymous No.21612396]

>>21594449
Because almost every corporate ideology tends to commodify women as a thing to own.

And it turns men into emotionally frustrated workers.