/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.21457676]

What went so terribly wrong? I've only seen bait threads about this but I would like to hear actual opinions. Everyone seems to have fond memories of Unqualified Reservations.

[Anonymous No.21457694]

>>21457676
Didn't have strong male role models around him for his entire life. Parents must have been shit.

[Anonymous No.21457698]

dude is a nerd who wants like some techno monarchy or something, it was always stupid. I want to live in the world were thiel bucks go to promoting nick land in art fag and upperclass circles

[Anonymous No.21457833]

>>21457676
criticises democracy for being unable to implement change effectively because of endlessly complex infrastructure.
Instead of defaulting to the obvious solution of marxism he calls for a centralised monarchy to, idk, be edgy or something?

[Anonymous No.21457855]

>>21457676
Did anything go wrong? He said everything he needed to say, and now he's spreading his ideas and shopping for a patron. he's only grown more relevant since the days of UR.

[Anonymous No.21457905]

>>21457833
>Instead of defaulting to the obvious solution of marxism
You have to be 18 years old to post here

[Anonymous No.21457932]

His ability to seem expert to non-expert is that he’s read a ton of secondary sources but no primary ones, so he can reference Aristotle but it’s always fragments popular with x. Same with Machiavelli. Since he doesn’t engage with non-spectacular works, he’s criticizing the modern age using only the modern age’s worldview.

He’s the political theory amateur that can appear the expert to those who also don’t read Aristotle or Machiavelli.

Also, his lack of pomp in his writing stinks of the San Francisco dressed-down superiority. It’s wearing a hoodie and cargo shorts to a white table cloth dinner. Some pomp would actually have done him well. Being an actually good writer instead of throwing in some “fucks” every two seconds makes you appear like an adult, the whole faux man-of-the-people charade is quickly dissolving in the Bay Area culture.

[Anonymous No.21457960]

I feel like most of his newer work holds up.
He'd benefit greatly from condensing his newer material into a book and shilling it that way. I guess if there is any problem it felt like he ran out of stuff to put in it..

[Anonymous No.21457977]

Things went downhill after he stopped being anonymous. Now it just sounds like he's censoring himself, plus he's depressed because his wife died and he knocked up a dominatrix.

The only way he becomes a great writer again is if he uses a pseudonym.

[Anonymous No.21457989]

I never bothered reading his political writings, but I think he has a solid opinion on why the internet is so shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV3gtayzsuE

[Anonymous No.21458007]

No aesthetics. Moldbug argues for monarchy and aristocracy purely from a utilitarian perspective, which is highly useful, but you've got to marry that with, well, vibes. The man is a dweeby Jew and absolutely looks the part. Even if you agree with him that a monarchy is the best form of government going forward, if the monarchy just looks like boring old corporate neoliberalism no one's going to sign up.

I hate to bring up fascism because it's like beating a dead horse, but at least the fascists LOOKED cool, or at least interesting. The Italian futurists, the Nazis with their uniforms, etc.. You can't win over people to a right-wing argument without a certain level of aesthetics, even if your ideas in theory stand on their own.

[Anonymous No.21458032]

>>21458007

[Anonymous No.21458054]

>>21457989
could someone who understands programming explain what his exact point is

[Anonymous No.21458067]

>>21458032
See, there we go. That's more like it. He needs to be more like that. Ditch the leather jacket, Curtis, you're not fooling anyone.

[Anonymous No.21458142]

>>21458007
I was listening to some podcast he was on where he was talking about this series the young pope. idk where it streams because I torrented it
but basically he spoke affirmatively about Catholics understanding of "pageantry" & how protestants are basically halfway to atheism in this sense.. so I think he understands this to an extent

[Anonymous No.21458150]

>>21457676
>What went so terribly wrong?
NRx was growing pretty well and was mentionable in polite company until one day someone noticed that moldy had said some stuff about IQ and slavery somewhere in that 13,000 page opus he called a blog and that was that. Resigned to the dustbin of failed political ideologies and he basically logged off for years and then came back doing weird urbit shit and no one cares. Condolences for his wife though.

[Anonymous No.21458166]

>>21458142
he should read Schopenhauer, had great aesthetics in the philosophical sense and was a monarchist

[Anonymous No.21458205]

>>21458142
Well, good. He's learning.

[Anonymous No.21458267]

>>21457676
Yarvin got too interested in respectability

>>21458150
NRx had bad political timing in that it coincided with a Great Awakening, which typically happens in the US every 60 years or so. Civil Rights was the last one, Obama was the catalyst for the current one. But NRx probably wouldn't have happened without Obama in the first place.

[Anonymous No.21458290]

>>21458150

urbit is based. shame he left the project to try and find a patron for his artfag bs desu.

[Anonymous No.21458330]

>>21457676
>Land was always the original thinker and actual edgey one
>Moldbread was always a derivative nerd and those taken in by him were always served better by going to his cribbing sources
His thought is entirely compatible with Agenda 2030, UN Smart City Habitats, and all the rest. His Zero Covid stanning of Xi should have been the death knell of his threadbare Intellectual Dorkweb cachet, or the Phoenician Elf thing. Teflon men gonna Teflon. A Lex Friedman and Joe Rogan at least get monstrously wealthy from their talking head speedbump grifts.

[Anonymous No.21458463]

>>21458150
The Scala community is still feeling ripples from the time pic related didn't cancel moldbug from a conference back in 2016. (This blogpost is from 2021; he doesn't put dates on his pages):
https://degoes.net/articles/travis-brown-abuser
Luckily, the languages' creator and BDFL doesn't bow wholly:
https://github.com/tpolecat/doobie/pull/1587#issuecomment-961415475
(he walked this comment back later)

[Anonymous No.21458479]

>>21457676
Liked him early on and then started to despise him. I don't like Dugin either, for what it's worth.

[Anonymous No.21458492]

>>21458007
You really have a provincial definition of aesthetics.

[Anonymous No.21458497]

>>21457833
>obvious solution of marxism
Marxism is hyper democracy. All the problems of democracy extended on even more aspects of social life.

[Anonymous No.21458506]

>>21458492
What's your definition of aesthetics, then?

[Anonymous No.21458512]

>>21458506
When you say this brand of monarchism is aesthetically stunted, you don't mean to say that, like the totalitarians, they really lacked memorable art to go alongside it.
You're simply sad people don't dress like Napoleonic officers.

[Anonymous No.21458518]

>>21458512
That's a reaching conclusion.

[Anonymous No.21458522]

>>21458518
But it's understandable how I got there. Apologies for what has been said, I retract it.

[Anonymous No.21458525]

>>21458512
I'm sad about both, particularly since the leather jacket picture was taken in an attempt to attract ladies and it would have been the perfect occasion to dress like a fairy tale prince. Women love to imagine they are having sex with princes. Chads dressed like nobles is how you turn women into monarchists.

[卐 I V R I × N E M O 卍 !!GgBWHLRiayD No.21458678]

Nowadays, browsing the web for more than thirty minutes makes me full like a moldy bug.

[Anonymous No.21459184]

>>21458054

He is saying few things;

- Now that everyone has a voice its hard to find signal from the noise.

- Because of this, the idiots are drowning out the people with interesting things to say, general quality of content as a result goes down.

- He mentions centralisation is increasing which is bad(?) (sort of ironic given his political beliefs). I assume that he thinks it bad because he's not King and Zuckerberg is. The real problem with centralisation is that companies build walled gardens where you can only play in them and not take your data out or build effectively on their platform.

- His google is a desert comment is about Google giving you bad results generated to optimise SEO, so they are less effective at producing results, people use Reddit so they can get UGC (User generated content)

- He mentions protocols and how the focus on this going away is a shame - so what this means is that in the early days of the internet groups focused on developing protocols where if you built and application that implemented a version of the protocol you could then interact through the protocol. So think something like Bitcoin - there is a white paper and then a design and that design can be copied and used, and people can build wallets on top of it and your wallet will be valid.

Now companies are moats, and instead of there being a social network protocol, Twitter has an API, and Facebook has an API, and the two don't work together. This makes making the two talk together hard, but if there was a protocol it would be easy because they'd talk the same "language". There is a thing called ActivityPub that aims to solve this, it's what Mastodon uses.

[Anonymous No.21459514]

>>21457676
Watch any recorded conversation he has done and you'll see that every interlocutor of his immediately gets embarrassed by how outclassed they are.
Yarvin is too good for us

[Anonymous No.21459565]

>>21459184
getting ppl to talk, ie freedom of speech is ploy by the ruling class to keep the peasants entertained and his moronic idea of a common protocol for the same language will make internet worse.

[Anonymous No.21459568]

>>21458497
You're talking to someone that is mentally a child.

[Anonymous No.21459576]

>>21458067
It’s just a jacket bro

[Anonymous No.21459589]

>>21457833
>obvious solution of marxism
lol, lmao. GTFO

[Anonymous No.21459601]

>>21457676
The Cathedral is a shit metaphor and an inaccurate way of looking at the world

[Anonymous No.21459629]

>>21458497
>Marxism is hyper democracy
The Italian left current, Dutch/German council communists, etc. disagree

[Anonymous No.21459683]

>>21459601
elaborate pls

[Anonymous No.21459742]

>>21457698

I bet it sounded like this

[Anonymous No.21459829]

>>21459683
These organizations are much more closely intertwined than Yarvin's pet theory suggests, and the imagery of a cathedral implies a false Christian influence

[Anonymous No.21459945]

Cause NRX people are just nihilists trying to get a rise out of shitlibs. They don’t strictly believe what they’re saying and their lack of principles leads them back to homo economicus shitliberalism through the back door. This is also the reason for the disturbing increep of corporate metaphors. No actual rightwing *believer* can stomach these people because they don’t take rightwing beliefs seriously and kinda mock them, case in point being Moldbug and his hobbit crap

[卐 I V R I × N E M O 卍 !!GgBWHLRiayD No.21459967]

>>21458678
>[...]full[...]

???

I mean: "feel".

[Anonymous No.21460233]

>>21459945
this
also all the faggy cthulu and other nerd crap like 40k references

[Anonymous No.21460340]

>>21459184
Isn't Mastodon a mess worse than twitter because instances keep banning users who use different instances? Like right wing mastodon is segregated from left wing mastodon.

[Anonymous No.21460359]

>>21459576
I just want new romantic fashion to make a comeback :( :(

[Anonymous No.21460496]

>>21459629
all the cool kids read tiqqun, agamben, negri and jehu now; get with the times

[Anonymous No.21460558]

>>21457977
Yeah I pretty much got that impression when he embarked on the grift. I think Gray Mirror is great, but I think the media touring, his wife passing, and the new fumbled engagement/pregnancy is taking a toll lol. I get that he has bills to pay, and a fresh alimony to pay for, but maybe he can work through the awkward time.

[Anonymous No.21460578]

I met him in person. Can confirm he's not super willing to engage with other thinkers and tends to repeat himself, having said that he's very kind and nice to talk to. I actually felt like I met someone with similarly autistic interests for once.

[Anonymous No.21460606]

>>21457676
Did anything go wrong?

[Anonymous No.21460651]

>>21460578
Can you describe his smell?

[Anonymous No.21460821]

>>21457676
>Everyone seems to have fond memories of Unqualified Reservations.

lmao suck my dick faggot

[Anonymous No.21461354]

>>21457932
You’ve never actually read him he references a ton of prime sources, plus his writing is genuinely good

https://youtu.be/leUncb6pL4s

https://youtu.be/G-vcl5PA9WI

https://youtu.be/KqDpcK09R_4

[Anonymous No.21461708]

My favorite thing about UR was all the obscure books he brings up. I never would have looked up "A South-side View of Slavery: Three Months at the South" without him.

[Anonymous No.21461735]

His entire ideology is just a cover for why Jews should rule over all of us. His little dark elf screed proved it. It’s pretty much inherent to the Jewish spirit to subvert and dominate, it’s actually impressive.

[Anonymous No.21461795]

who here froude society

[Anonymous No.21463274]

bump

[Anonymous No.21463473]

>>21458463
lol, didn't know about this. scala kind of shot themselves in the foot with the whole v3 debacle, plus their flagship enterprise (twitter) won't be around much longer

[Anonymous No.21463614]

>>21458463
>>21463473
so this is the power of FP... https://contributors.scala-lang.org/t/politics-safety-and-the-future-of-scala/5317/78
feels good to be a javachad

[Anonymous No.21463653]

>>21460340
Yes it is, the project is fucking retarded and bad and impossible for normies to use so won't ever reach a critical mass. There is a reason centralisation wins over decentralisation every time.

It's because people are lazy and want others to tell them how to think and guide the discussion.

[Anonymous No.21463734]

https://graymirror.substack.com/p/you-can-only-lose-the-culture-war/

I enjoyed reading this from him. He's a good writer.

[Anonymous No.21463812]

>>21463734
>le hobbits and le elves
how is this any better than twitter moms debating politics with harry potter references?

[Anonymous No.21463836]

>>21463812
Not an argument.

[Anonymous No.21463890]

>>21463836
you're right, it was a question

[Anonymous No.21463895]

>>21457833
>obvious solution of marxism
Nice bait

[Anonymous No.21463964]

>>21458007
So what you're saying is that LARPing fails if it doesn't add cosplay.
take notes rightoids, lmao

[Anonymous No.21463971]

>>21463734
I legit love his UR stuff simply for the gen-xer voice

[Anonymous No.21464218]

>>21463614
>t. śudranigger

[Anonymous No.21465127]

>>21457676
/lit/ has no strong moderating.

[Anonymous No.21465273]

>>21465127
that's what makes it so great. i came here from /tv/ last summer and i've been maining /lit/ ever since.

[Anonymous No.21465317]

>>21457676

I hate to be the one who has to say this again, but NRX was always just a meme to steer dissidents away from White Nationalism. The same with Peterson, Sargon and every other supposedly edgy and anti-system alternative that was shilled relentlessly by the media around 2015-2017. If you're allowed on Fox News then you really aren't that much of a threat to the establishment.

[Anonymous No.21465556]

>>21463614
>https://contributors.scala-lang.org/t/politics-safety-and-the-future-of-scala/5317/78
Holy shit, I had forgotten about this post. At least that nth portal guy doesn't seem to post any more.

>>21463473
Scala 3 doesn't seem to have caused many problems, imo. And after a year and half there's a 40% adoption according to the end-of-year survey.

[Anonymous No.21465843]

>>21465317
you alt right losers say this cope every time one of your little phases falls on its face. the right is an evil, selfish ideology and the mainstream has adopted left leaning liberalism as its core ideology. There is no room for your disgusting beliefs anymore no matter how you package them. if nrx had taken off you ugly little roaches would be singing its praises here instead of calling it controlled opposition lmao.

[Anonymous No.21465882]

>woldbug
Contingentative Capitocracy is better than his patchvork meme
In CC, citizenship is determined by ownership of Stateshares
Stateshares are fungible, capped max supply growth curve, tradeable and thus have a market price
In order to be citizen of a Capitocracy, you need to own and lock away as collateral 900 stateshares (for ex)
If you don't, then you aren't allowed into the country. If you are in the country, then you aren't allowed to unlock those 900 locked up stateshares until you show proof of emigration. Once you do, you can then trade those stateshares away on the market for the current market price (estimated to be about 1000 dollars per share) to other market participants.
alternatively, you can hold more than the mandatory minimum 900 stateshares and those surplus stateshares can remain unlocked and liquid for quick trading
alternatively, you can lock up the excess in order to unlock bonus privileges (rights) like getting a government official position, gun rights, speech rights, etc.
the more shateshares uou lock up, tme more privileges you get, as well as bigger voting power (1 stateshare = 1 vote), and a bigger piece of dividends paid out from the government's quarterly profits (yes, the government would become a for-profit under CC because that would cause the states dares market price to rise accordingly and gov officials want that since they hold this appreciating asset class)

more importantly, the mandated ownership of this asset would cause everyone in the country to have aligned interests since if the stateshare market price rises, then everyone gets wealthier.

note, that stateshares are not money, but rather stocks. and there wouldn't be printing of them except during the initial transition to a CC (where everyone's current citizenship is converted into 1000 stateshares (900 locked, 100 unlocked) and future children who receive newly issued 1000 stateshares (locked for 18 years, but this year amount can be changed to incentivize/disincentivize births)
and shateshares can be inherited so this birthright printing will have less effect as generations pass.

[Anonymous No.21466628]

>>21465882
doesn't solve the jewish problem

[Anonymous No.21467369]

>>21466628
Cope. One day you'll grow up, idiot.

[Anonymous No.21467375]

>>21465317
>a meme to steer dissidents away from White Nationalism
You will be saying this for Evola and Guenon soon.

[Anonymous No.21467381]

>>21465317
Good post, and this. People really need to learn to smell astroturf. Remember to stick to your principles, not to individual people. Be critical. Don't be afraid to ask "how is this furthering the right or white nationalism?" Above all, be incredibly suspicious of influencer/grifter cults.

[Anonymous No.21467388]

>>21467381
Yarvin is a literal millionaire from his programming. He wasn't some useless grifter. He genuinely cared.

[Anonymous No.21467393]

>>21457932
>He’s the political theory amateur that can appear the expert to those who also don’t read Aristotle or Machiavelli
I've been reading Aristotle for years and I find Yarvin incredibly useful. He does an excellent job at giving an explanation on political processes in contemporary states. Aristotle obviously couldn't give us that. What he actually lacks is a proper metaphysis and ethics. His solutions are all still Rawlsian garbage because he's a secular Jew who can't help himself.

[Anonymous No.21467394]

>>21467388
Not about things that matter, like the Jewish question as >>21466628 notes and white genocide.

[Anonymous No.21467397]

You wanna know Moldbug's BIGGEST flaw?

It's that he's a disgusting atheist Jew and people like him don't defeat the forces he describes.

If Moldbug were a real Jew, a truly Orthodox Jew who observed the Mosaic Law, he'd have a shot at vanquishing the Cathedral. Of realizing his vision. But he isn't, so he won't.

Only God can destroy the monster of liberalism. Just like only God could destroy the monster of communism.

It will take a believer to rid the world of liberalism, once and for all. One allied with God. It will be someone only vaguely allied with modern online right-wing activism at all, but they will be very powerful when they emerge.

Only God can achieve what he dreams of achieving.

[Anonymous No.21467398]

>>21467388
He was also a millionaire from his maternal grandfather being a lawyer for the Rockefellers.

[Anonymous No.21467401]

>>21467397
He said he was willing to convert to whatever his new wife is into, so there's hope for him. The woman he impregnated is spiritual.

[Anonymous No.21467409]

>>21457676
interesting he coined it the cathedral and not the synagogue, really makes me think

[Anonymous No.21467417]

>>21467409
He says most tradcaths have a noble mind, schizo. Read his blog.

[Anonymous No.21467438]

>>21467393
>Yarvin's good, but what he really needs is more mohfuggin' METAPHYSICS!
do christbros really

[Anonymous No.21467484]

>>21467438
He does. His solutions to issues are so bad because they are no solutions at all because he fails to see the fundemental issue, which lies in widespread adoption of consequentialist ethics.

[Anonymous No.21467492]

>>21459829
>the imagery of a cathedral implies a false Christian influence
ive never heard somebody discuss the cathedral who actually thought it had anything to do with christianity, i only hear people say this and then say "it should be called the synagogue instead" which usually means the whole thing went over their head and they just believe in a jewish hive mind

[Anonymous No.21467503]

>>21467492
>never heard somebody discuss the cathedral who actually thought it had anything to do with christianity
If you read A Letter To Open Minded Progressives you'll see that he intentionally places specifically the Catholic church, in every example he gives, in a negative light. It doesn't have anything to do with Christianity per se, but it is a part of his general dislike for Catholicism, which seeps through in many places, as well as his lack of understanding of internal workings of the religion as well as thought behind it. Which is probably why people get irked by it. It might not have been intentional, but it was not an accident that he chose to call it the Cathedral and not something else.