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[Anonymous No.21438017]

Let’s have a debate, /lit/.

SUBJECT:
Does god exist?

Go!

[Anonymous No.21438059]

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[Anonymous No.21438064]

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[Anonymous No.21438065]

>>21438017
Yes, the invisible spirit. However our material world was created by yeldabaoth

[Anonymous No.21438074]

>>21438059
Philosophy?

[Anonymous No.21438126]

>>21438017
The Abrahamic god as believed by his worshippers (Jews, Christians, Muslims) as in a perfect all powerful, all knowing and compassionate god does not exist. Our world is proof enough of that, the problem of evil debunked it very long ago (see Epicurus). The appeal to free will is just another apologetic, ie a dumb attempt at avoiding criticism which gets debunked by atheist youtubers on a daily basis.
On the other hand a good case can be made for something powerful that influences the history of earth and is the reason why so much evil exists in our world. An evil Abrahamic god is biblically accurate and explains why the good that comes out of its worshippers is always an exception to the evil they do normally.
It also explains the spiritual experiences many people have throughout history, like Dee and Kelley working with angels.
At the same time the Pagan Gods must exist, not only because, again, of our spiritual experiences but their influence on our planet is more concrete. Ancient Greece and Rome are to this day the peak of human civilization and the best things for mankind happen when their values and traditions (or simply Pagan values) are present. It was for example Pagan values that during the Renaissance brought Europe out of the dark ages, and they kept enlightening the world until later.
People that share Pagan values and traditions also have plot armor in real life. For example Napoleon (pic related from Napoleon the Great biography) or Frederick the Great during the Seven Years War. Sheer luck played a huge role in their success and they were champions of religious freedom as well.

[Anonymous No.21438146]

>Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.

[Anonymous No.21438151]

>>21438017
Yes, specifically the Christian God.

[Anonymous No.21438157]

>>Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.

[Anonymous No.21438186]

>>21438126
Update
>On the other hand a good case can be made for something powerful that influences the history of earth and is the reason why so much evil exists in our world. An evil Abrahamic god is biblically accurate and explains why the good that comes out of its worshippers is always an exception to the evil they do normally.
It is the only thing that can explain its worshipper's hate of everything mankind holds dear: art, power, pride and sex.
>It also explains the spiritual experiences many people have throughout history, like Dee and Kelley working with angels.
Dee wanted to make the world a better place with the help of angels, but the spiritual entities with which he and Kelley communicated turned them into cuckold. The angels of the lord have a cuck fetish or maybe is that the lord himself and his angels have no free will? Today a European royalty also works with angels and she's a nigger fucking race mixer. And of course there's the pedophilia so widespread among Christian clergy.
St Paul whose epistle provide the only historically reliable documents for Jesus doesn't mention any jew that bodily resurrected or that existed at all. He only talks about a spiritual experience with Jesus according to scripture. So no a historical Jesus never existed, but only a spiritual entity that influenced Saul of Tarsus.

[Anonymous No.21438197]

I can prove God exist from anslem

God is a being best described as perfect. So perfect wisdom, goodness, power, etc. Now ask yourself the question “if God existed would that make Him more or less perfect?” More perfect of course. Therefore, since perfection has the necessity of existence in order to qualify as perfect God exist by definition, or ontologically He exist.

Now to prove that God is the Jesus Christ takes special revelation- the Bible

[Anonymous No.21438294]

>>21438197
Dumb and pseud

[Anonymous No.21438340]

>>21438017
No, of course not.

There may be a fourth-dimensional entity that is the source and cause of all consciousness, but that thing didn't create the universe or anything. Nothing that could be considered a "god" in the monotheistic sense can exist. It's all bullshit.

[Anonymous No.21438342]

>>21438017
Of course God exists. How else could you even utter His name?

[Anonymous No.21438345]

>>21438340
>There may be a fourth-dimensional entity that is the source and cause of all consciousness, but that thing didn't create the universe or anything.
Proof?

[Anonymous No.21438359]

I guess one would start at the beginning;
Does one deny the existemce of universal objects?

[Anonymous No.21438362]

>>21438359
define universal object

[Anonymous No.21438364]

>>21438345
No, that's why I said may. Unlike a god, it's not impossible.

[Anonymous No.21438365]

>>21438017
yes

[Anonymous No.21438367]

>>21438342
Because we invented the word and the idea.

[Anonymous No.21438371]

>>21438362
A metaphysical category/quality that has ontological existence. e.g Red, Numbers, Meaning

[Anonymous No.21438375]

>>21438364
>it is impossible for something which could be considered a "god" in the monotheistic sense to exist
Proof?

[Anonymous No.21438378]

>>21438371
i accept the existence of existing things, yes.

[Anonymous No.21438382]

>>21438375
Reality is proof.

[Anonymous No.21438388]

>>21438382
>Reality exists
>Therefore, It is impossible for something which could be considered a "god" in the monotheistic sense to exist
I don't find this argument very convincing... are you sure it's even valid under the rules of propositional/predicate logic?

[Anonymous No.21438389]

>>21438378
Well some people deny the existence of transcendental categories, preferring to say they are merely a by-product of human biology. I don't believe this but it should be one of the first steps in sketching out the reasons for why God exists.

[Anonymous No.21438396]

>>21438389
i accept that the color red exists

[Anonymous No.21438402]

>>21438388
Reality has laws which cannot be broken.
Any monotheistic god would require those gods to be broken.
A monotheistic god cannot exist.
QED.

[Anonymous No.21438408]

>>21438402
>Reality has laws which cannot be broken.
You're gonna need to be more precise, further you do not have access to knowledge that would make this claim true. It is merely predicated upon an inference from observation which is fallible.

[Anonymous No.21438413]

>>21438402
>Any monotheistic god would require those laws to be broken.
why is it impossible for a god to exist that does not break any laws of reality? this is just an assumption so i must reject your argument yet again

[Anonymous No.21438415]

>>21438359
>>21438371
>>21438389
where is the proof

[Anonymous No.21438423]

>>21438415
The proof for the existence of metaphysical objects? What type of proof would be sufficient for you?

[Anonymous No.21438426]

>>21438423
no, the proof for the existence of god.