Not sure about religion

[Anonymous No.21420415]

I believe in the divine. I believe in a God. I consider myself a deist. The thing is though that I haven’t been able to experience that connection with the divine that people swear by. I am so overwhelmed with the number and amount of faiths that exist. I can’t help but feel like all religions were right in their respective ways. I may be a perennialist of sorts, but that also bothers me because all faiths proclaim to be THE one. Christianity denies all other faiths and so does Islam (they claim to be THE right path).

What are some good books that tackle this topic? What are books you’d recommend to a deist in general?

[Anonymous No.21420420]

>>21420415
I highly recommend this
>captcha:4krj0y

[Anonymous No.21420424]

>>21420415
Take the Sacred Geometry pill
https://youtu.be/utMx48aGndI

[Anonymous No.21420437]

>>21420420
Damn never heard of this before, will check it out thanks.

>>21420424
Seems schizo desu

[Anonymous No.21420445]

>>21420437
>Seems schizo desu
It's just explaining the image in Ops pic of the Platonic Solids being generated through the tree of life...

[Anonymous No.21420450]

>>21420415
None of the are correct. Read the Quran

[Anonymous No.21420454]

>>21420415
Transcendent Unity of Religions by Schuon

[Anonymous No.21420490]

>>21420415
Literally zero truly intelligent people believe the claims of religion. The person who made that image is 100% guaranteed sub 100 IQ.

[Anonymous No.21420499]

>>21420415
Start here

[Anonymous No.21420501]

>>21420454
/thread

[Anonymous No.21420510]

>>21420415
This sounds like it would be exactly what you're looking for. It examines religions and early human rituals and customs through the lens of anthropology. All religions are "true" in the sense that they connect to something in us, but to think that the claims of religion are literally true is a laughable prospect.

[Anonymous No.21420533]

>>21420490
>pretending prometheus didn't exist

Rope yourself

[Anonymous No.21420573]

>>21420490
>Literally zero truly intelligent people believe the claims of religion. The person who made that image is 100% guaranteed sub 100 IQ.

[Anonymous No.21420612]

>>21420573
>Unironically posting a fedora

[Anonymous No.21420645]

>>21420612
Prove God doesn't exist

[Anonymous No.21420678]

>>21420612
>CHOOSE YOUR FIGHTER!
a) Richard Dawkins: rat-faced evolutionary biologist who popularized the word meme (secret weapon: Scientism; weakness: Kafka)
b) Sam Harris: midwit who solved the problem of induction (secret weapon: meditiation; weakness: complex thought)
c) Christopher Hitchens: reformed commie/former fag with great talent for rhetoric (secret weapon: alcoholic snark (aka Hitchslap); weakness: Neoconservatism)
d) Daniel Dennett: bargin bin philosopher whose focus is rooted in topics prevalent to Saturday morning philosophy (secret weapon: broad and topical; weakness: phenomenology)
>I CHOOSE ALL FOUR: FOUR HORSEMEN RIDE!
You weaponize condesention to fight an institution that numbers time in millennia with cultural roots that go back to preliterate man with symbolism rooted in primordial homonids
>YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN SANTA CLAUS, DO YOU?!
Counter attack: nuance. Enemy isn't 4. Attack is ineffective.
>WHY DON'T YOU WORSHIP ZEUS?!
Counter attack: nuance. All myth is meaningful and some are more meaningful than others. Attack is ineffective.
>SCIENCE THOUGH!
Counter attack: nuance. Enemy knows history of science and its complex and relationship with religion. Attack is ineffective.
>FEDORA TIP!
Counter attack: enemy is laughing.
>NO YOU!
Counter attack: enemy is laughing.

[Anonymous No.21420693]

>>21420415
I would like to believe in god but my mental capacities make me unable to believe in a logic to it.

[Anonymous No.21420699]

>>21420693
That's called pride, anon. It's the father of all sin and the root of evil. Read Paradise Lost.

[Anonymous No.21420710]

>>21420699
true. that book is on my list. I just cannot reconcile the logical from the illogical.

[Anonymous No.21420715]

>>21420693
You're selling yourself short anon, you could probably understand Aristotle if you really put your mind to it

[Anonymous No.21420729]

>>21420715
reference to which works?

[Anonymous No.21420731]

>>21420729
Metaphysics and Nicomachean Ethics

[Anonymous No.21420741]

>>21420731
never got around to those

[Anonymous No.21420769]

>>21420415
Mere Christianity by C. S. Lewis.
I'll be honest with you Anon, and I am not being rude, but I love you and I love God and I want you to know Him so I'll speak to you with honesty. You do not have an intellectual problem with God, you have a sin problem.
I prayed for five years that God would show Himself to me (was he Jesus, Allah, etc.) and He did, but when He showed Himself He showed me myself. I am a horribly sinful person. I am inherently selfish and evil and God is holy and righteous and perfect. This revelation immediately made me vomit, but I got saved by admitting who I was and who He is. This was only by His grace, I could never have admitted how evil I was without His mercy. I was born again by trusting Christ to be the payment for my sins, but I had to be overly aware of my sin for that payment to be important. It's not about smart people or dumb people, it is about submitting to God's plan for salvation (faith in Christ) I will pray for you Anon. May God reveal His son to you.
If you want a quick little thing to read. Read confessions chapters 6-8

[Anonymous No.21420777]

>>21420769
*Confessions by Augustine

[Anonymous No.21420802]

>>21420678
you need to add a "you fainted" at the end and this will be perfect.

[Anonymous No.21420806]

>>21420769
>Mere Christianity by C. S. Lewis.
This.

[Anonymous No.21420817]

>>21420415
You want the truth?

Empathy for other living beings and the world around you. Unironically. It's cyclical. Many people innately understand it, but even when you go to the absolute logical conclusion of all theological/existential/moral debate, you arrive back at that simple rule.

[Anonymous No.21420870]

>>21420415
Was in your shoes this time last year. The main thing it to recognize that religion is primarily a feeling (faith) that cannot be experienced through reading alone. Yes, you should continue to read (I recommend Thomas Merton, wrote about comparative religion, and that many religions have elements of the Truth, but ultimately Catholicism had the clearest-distilled interpretation of the Truth). But in addition to reading, talk to your parents, your friends, and local pastors and priests about religion. Pray to God for guidance and faith. Go to church with an open-mind and an earnestness to believe. Look into RCIA.

[Anonymous No.21420888]

>>21420870
No this anon does not know what he is talking about. Faith is trust. Trust in Gods finished work on the cross. Faith is not a feeling, faith is not a spiritual vibe. Faith is trusting Gods word. Read Hebrews 11. It is the hall of faith and there is no mention of feelings in it. It is all examples of trusting Gods word

[Anonymous No.21420889]

Read the Poimandres (short)

Read the Emerald Tablet (short)

Read Emerson's Nature and Circles (short essays), read Colin Wilson's Outsider cycle, and Owen Barfield's Saving the Appearances + Romanticism Comes of Age

Read Uzdavinys

Read Steiner's How To Know Higher Worlds

It's only once you unlock these initial levels of spiritual sensitivity that you can begin to see subtler shades of mystery contained in the different dispensations (faiths, revelations)

[Anonymous No.21420915]

>>21420888
I agree that faith is based in trust. But for OP who does not feel comfortable with an organized religion, to say to trust (without any practical steps to move forward) is empty advice.

My point was that OP should not be hung up on reading, but should be a part of a community that can help him in a spiritual crisis.

[Anonymous No.21420918]

>>21420915
>>21420888
OP might be interested in Voegelin's conception of Greek "faith"
https://voegelinview.com/medieval-rationalism-or-mystic-philosophy-pt-1/

[Anonymous No.21420964]

>>21420415
Here is the Tao Te Ching, written by Lao Tsu, narrated by Wayne Dyer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73_Voet2fnc
And here is the Tao of Pooh, Written by Benjamin Hoff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L3dhvO6Cis

[Anonymous No.21420968]

>>21420415
How can God be a man? Jesus wasn't a man.

[Anonymous No.21420998]

>>21420415
>recognizes that multiple faiths exist each claiming to be the right one
>recognizes each faith has its own set of principles; often contradicting the principles of other faiths
>continues to believe in religion and god
my nigga

[Anonymous No.21421001]

>>21420415
The Gospel of John was written to bring sinners and nonbelievers to Christ. I never "got" Christianity until I sat down and read John a few times, KJV of course. I tried starting with Genesis or starting with Mark or reading the shorter epistles, but it just doesn't work.

[Anonymous No.21421003]

>>21420678
>All myth is meaningful and some are more meaningful than others.
You fags have listened too much to Jordan Peterson. The only question is whether God exists as an actual entity and Jesus actually rose from the dead, if you don't believe in that you're an atheist. Atheists always said the bible just contains myths, good that you agree.

[Anonymous No.21421074]

>>21421003
Why is it so easy to trigger fedora tippers?

inb4 you cope with "my immense intellect becomes frustrated when people don't realize I'm a smart boi for figuring out fairy tales aren't REEEEEEEEEEal"

[Anonymous No.21421092]

>>21420998
>recognizes the sublime nature of reality
>recognizes the limited substance of human cognition individually and in aggregate
>continues to keep an open mind and respect faiths
yo fedora

[Anonymous No.21421098]

>>21421092
>inb4 sperg about "open mind" v. religious faith
Forgot to include that.

[Anonymous No.21421120]

>>21420490
>>21420612
>(atheist globohomo screeching)

[Anonymous No.21421137]

>>21421003
>hating on Lobster King
Fedoracope. He just exposes your layers of resentment and lack of a moral compass.

[Anonymous No.21421145]

>>21421092
>>21421098
>recognizes the sublime nature of reality
>recognizes the limited substance of human cognition individually and in aggregate
just stop there and touch grass

[Anonymous No.21421177]

>>21421145
>touch grass
I am the grass.

[Anonymous No.21421196]

>>21421137
Based. He's the anti-Dawkins; just take him for what he is while libtards/trannies/fedoras/incels/poltards pretend he's a drug addict and seethe because an attractive 20-something female posted pictures of herself on social media. They know not what they do.

[Anonymous No.21421209]

>>21421137
Your lobster king has never commited to the belief in Christianity being factual, historic truth. He's a weasel.

[Anonymous No.21421233]

>>21421209
True

Tolstoy Wittgenstein and Kierkegaard are far superior and bold believers

[Anonymous No.21421236]

>>21421209
He has never been disingenuous and is honest enough to profess his beliefs in the way he understands them. Keep seething at the inconvience of one less target on his back--or just shoot at the false ones like always.

Look, he even reaches out to you guys.

[Anonymous No.21421243]

>>21421177
based.

there's very little respect to be given to illusions if you treat respect as something to be given.

[Anonymous No.21421253]

>>21420998
Do you really think that's an argument?

[Anonymous No.21421301]

>>21420445
Was referring to the channel not the vid

[Anonymous No.21421327]

>>21420710
You’re thinking of God in a Judeo-Christian sense. Look into Spinoza and his definition of God. Plus I think denying metaphysics with logic pertaining to the physical realm is foolish

[Anonymous No.21421339]

>>21420998
I meant it in an esoteric sense anon. Exoterically they all have their differences and it’s foolish to deny that but upon closer inspection to the spiritual aspects of all religions, they have their esoteric similarities

[Anonymous No.21421399]

>>21421253
Do you really not have a refutation?

[卐 I V R I × N E M O 卍 !!GgBWHLRiayD No.21421407]

>>21420415


If you cannot recognize that Christianity —via Catholicism— comprehends Mohammedanism, and is the true faith, that is your own immanent problem of reason, and of faith; however, if you are more in need of reminding or remodeling than of replenishing or refreshing, and your intellect overponderates in talent over your ethicomorality, read more Christian/Catholical gnostic works to ease your way into the same more theistic ones; if the converse is the case, do the converse; afterward, reconcile the two through inversional practice.

[Anonymous No.21421411]

>>21421399
What is there to refute? No argument = no counter-argument

[Anonymous No.21421412]

>>21421407
Why are you posting hateful nazi imagery here?

[Anonymous No.21421419]

>>21420415
> they all say theyre true
> how can i know the difference between truth and lies
ok heres the secret, what religion says that vows must be kept? these days every other religion justifies oathbreaking

[Anonymous No.21421420]

>>21421407
Ahhhh shit ladies. Time to drop your panties. The tripfag psued is here to take our bitches.

[Anonymous No.21421422]

>>21421407
man... mundus really burnt you out huh?

[Anonymous No.21421430]

>>21421419
You’re referring to marriage? Divorce being a sin in Christianity is beyond retarded.

[Anonymous No.21421468]

>>21421430
who has the authority to alter a vow?

[Anonymous No.21421579]

>>21421327
how can you know something is true without logic? is it axiomatic?

[Anonymous No.21421642]

>>21420998
> recognizes that multiple theories of the universe beyond the seeable each claim to be the right one
> recognizes each theory has its own set of principles; often contradicting the principles of other theories
> continues to believe in anything past the observable universe
my nigga

[Anonymous No.21421716]

>>21421642
>recognizes we're on an anonymous message board
>recognizes anon admits he doesn't exist because he's unobservable
>continues posting based on faith anon is real
yo fedora

[Anonymous No.21422347]

>>21421468
You’re not really breaking a vow if the divorce is mutually agreed upon, it’s like you’re renewing the vow

[Anonymous No.21422427]

>>21421120
>Thinking all atheists believe the same things politically
Cringe

[Anonymous No.21422474]

>>21421120
>(atheist globohomo screeching)
for these americans everything that don't like them is globohomo, they have shit in the shit instead of head

[Anonymous No.21422548]

>>21420490
>T. it's the dude in the middle of the spectrum

[Anonymous No.21422558]

>>21420424
>Take the Sacred Geometry pill
Unsure if pill is poisoned.

[Anonymous No.21422565]

I believe in God but I don't understand the whole worship thing. I don't want my kids to worship me. That would be weird.

[Anonymous No.21422736]

>>21422565
You're thinking of God in a Judeo-Christian sense not in a pantheistic sense

[Anonymous No.21423275]

>>21420490
>lmaooooo God of the Gaps retard! Get out of here hahahaha!
>...anyway, as I was saying about Fine Tuning...

[Anonymous No.21423331]

>>21420415
You have reached the intellectual conclusion that God exists, this is a good thing and something to be thankful for. The experience of connection to the divine you speak of is the next level, it is mystical, it is something you feel. You have come thus far with reason and ration, but they will not give you that connection, that deeper feeling you are looking for because it is not part of the function of reason. It is not irrational, it is suprarational, it is beyond ration, it transcends it.

I received this sort of mystical feeling a few years ago from reading mystical poetry, and this allowed me to graduate from a deistic, intellectual acceptance of God to a true connection. So I would recommend you go for mystical poetry or novels rather than non-fiction. Once you awaken your spiritual brain which is capable of feeling these suprarational connections, reread your religious texts and see how much you missed when you read them only rationally. Also, inability to feel religious experience may be due to the calcification of the pineal gland, which is highly widespread in the west due to fluoridization of the the water supply. Start distilling your water and avoid fluoride toothpaste.

Finally, William James wrote a book called The Varieties of Religious Experience, in which he describes what it means to have a mystical moment and feel God. He ascribes certain characteristics to these moments: they are transient, they are ineffable (though I would say not ineffable for the skilled poet), they are noetic, and the subject is passive. Look back, maybe you have felt God already and not realized it.

[Anonymous No.21423392]

>>21420490
Given quite how many historians, scientists, and philosophers turned monks or Priests I know, let alone intelligent laymen I know.
I find your claim dubious at best, and poor bait at worst.

[Anonymous No.21423406]

>>21423392
>A little philosophy inclineth man's mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion
Francis Bacon said this, and it accurately describes today's society. We have a little intelligence, the ability to ask questions about God, and in our self-deluded arrogance we think we are so smart and become atheists. It is why in OP's image, both low IQ and high IQ people believe in God. The middling people question God, and thinking themselves wise become atheists.

[Anonymous No.21424745]

>>21423392
>>21423406
Religion is a tool to cope with mortality, and people like Bacon are such cowards that they'll take any cope and dive headlong into it based on their all consuming fear of death. It's like a child believing in Santa Clause because Christmas is a better experience when you do. Grown men should be above this kind of pretend play.

[Anonymous No.21424752]

>>21424745
>t. metaphysical materialist who denies metaphysics

[Anonymous No.21424759]

>>21420415
The funny thing about these memes is how easily the theist equates himself to the dimwit. Its like he's aware that his belief system is retarded and only thing he can do is joke about it

[Anonymous No.21424788]

>>21424752
Define "metaphysics"

[Anonymous No.21424801]

>>21424752
>>21424788
so fucking gay...

[Anonymous No.21424802]

>>21420415
>tfw you have a 145+ IQ
>tfw you understand the spirit behind the letter

[Anonymous No.21424805]

>>21424788
Any ontological commitment about the world that either designates some part of it as actually real and not epiphenomenal (i.e., points out some "ultimate" phenomenon, like quarks, strings, or constants), or prescribes lawlike or essential behavior to its parts (what the designated part "does" as a result of what it "is").

At least some such ontological commitments are necessary for justifying ANY epistemology, including empirical epistemologies (see Quine, "Two Dogmas of Empiricism"; Sellars, "Empiricism and Philosophy of Mind").

[Anonymous No.21424828]

>claims to be a christtard
>has never helped a homeless person in his life

The correct term here is 'larper'

[Anonymous No.21424849]

>>21424828
Homeless people do get help from mostly charitable people, getting off the street if you are not schizophrenic is actually quite easy especially if you're a woman or youth. There are lots of organizations to help. The people who remain on the street are either career vagrants, the west's equivalent of gyppos, a severe sign of unhealth for any society, or they are schizophrenics who can't be forcibly medicated because it's against the law (just barely the lesser of two evils to avoid biopolitical tyranny) and can't be forcibly institutionalized because it's economically unfeasible and against the law (ditto). Both subgroups are usually on a lot of drugs. Both also often have group homes they go to at the end of the day, or very cushy homeless encampments tolerated by the cops who only make them move once in a while.

The only way to really help the vagrants and schizophrenics is to prevent them from existing in the first place. You can make a huge dent in their population and bypass the morality issue of forcing them to do anything by simply prosecuting them for petty crimes like was suggested in the 70s and 80s ("broken windows" theory, look it up), when there were still normal people left in public policy who thought the government actually wanted them to improve society. The government wants the exact opposite, look up the Cloward-Piven strategy and Samuel Francis' idea of anarcho-tyranny.

[Anonymous No.21425186]

>>21420424
very cool video, thanks for posting

[Anonymous No.21425691]

>>21420454
how hard would it be to understand this if you don't have a background in philosophy but are interested in something like this? Is it a good starting point or no?

[Anonymous No.21425716]

>>21425691
Can't hurt to try. Schuon is usually easier than Guenon and Evola.

[Anonymous No.21425742]

>>21425691
Here's the first few pages for you to decide

[Anonymous No.21425752]

>>21425742
I'm reading the words but they ain't makin' no damn sense in my dumb dumb head. What do I do lmao
Like I get it but I don't I suppose, I'm not sure.

[Anonymous No.21425758]

>>21420710
>I just cannot reconcile the logical from the illogical.
I don't think its illogical, its beyond it. Its suprarational, transcending logical laws, ruling over them. I think lot of people these days have problem with telling apart irrational and suprarational.

[Anonymous No.21425769]

>>21425752
Try reading a bunch of Eliade first

Or Sheldrake

[Anonymous No.21425785]

>>21420490
you have to be 18 to post here

[Anonymous No.21425856]

>>21420490
Kek.

[Anonymous No.21425880]

To simply believe in the spiritual realm or god existing actually makes far less sense than believing in natural sequential causes to why we exist or why the universe formed.

If there’s truly god, god would think larger than life, the universe and something that is only present for about 80 years and has to deal with life, failure, divorce, happiness, sadness, exc. If it was the case that god did exist, our whole existence would have a huge impact on the universe around us, god would teach us about cures for diseases and technological advances a long time ago if he wanted to, he would have known ahead of time what humans invented and where we would be heading in the future, and find ways to quickly advance the human race, creating better organs, genetics, less chances of having diseases and we wouldn’t be asking “why” all the time with religion.

If god did exist, there would be a spiritual realm or dimension that really is beyond our own understanding, something so advanced that we can’t even grasp it yet, yet religion explains that the concept is turning into a spirit and either going to heaven or hell, really and that’s the true “icing on the cake” to why we’re here and what our rewards are? Nope instead there’s no god.

When you begin to realize these things, it will make sense that logically there can’t be a god with a large infinite universe. As no edge or boundary exists to say “well god exists outside of space and time”.

Overall just imagine eternal bliss or torment, and you will realize both make no sense at all and this is actually proof of the opposite in my opinion. It’s ok to disagree or to not like what I say, but logically I’ve pretty much nailed it on the head to why god doesn’t exist period.

If someday I’m proven wrong, I will change my mind or my opinion on this matter.

[Anonymous No.21425899]

>>21425880
A retarded "paradox" that's only paradoxical because it doesn't take into account the "Who" of God. Epicurus was a hack.

[Anonymous No.21425929]

>>21425880
>"If God existed here is exactly how it would work but oh would you look at that it doesn't work that way so nope there's no God. I have pretty much hit the nail on the head."

[Anonymous No.21425953]

>>21425880
>If there truly was God then I would understand how this utterly transcendent being who is further from me in mental ability than I am from pond scum thinks and knows the world
Bruh. That's simple hubris. There is no rational reason why you should be able to understand why God structured the world the way it is when you understand less than 1% of the actual structure of the cosmos as it is.

[Anonymous No.21426049]

>>21420870
>Thomas Merton, wrote about comparative religion, and that many religions have elements of the Truth, but ultimately Catholicism had the clearest-distilled interpretation of the Truth).
noted

[Anonymous No.21426191]

>>21425880
It’s pretty prideful to claim that you, a finite being, “should” be able to understand the transcend being. The Quran answers this in a pretty straightforward manner:
>2:30 Remember, when your Lord said to the angels, “I am going to place a successive authority on earth.” They asked Allah, “Will You place in it someone who will spread corruption there and shed blood while we glorify Your praises and proclaim Your holiness?” Allah responded, “I know what you do not know.”

God knows more than we will ever know about the underlying purpose of things.

[Anonymous No.21426233]

>>21425899
>>21425929
>>21425953
>>21426191
To be honest with you, I'm not really sure if everytime there is a new thread about the existence of god, most people in here are actually supporting the idea of he existing or just baiting. You guys are better than this. I believe anyone who has interest in literature should have at least higher intelligence level than the average people, and therefore, don't believe the existence of god. Hopefully that isn't the case with you.

What's your proof that God doesn’t exist?
What’s my proof as well as other people’s proof that god doesn’t exist?

Here are 12 proofs that god doesn’t exist.

Children born with birth defects and mental disabilities so bad that they can’t read, write, spell, communicate, breathe or do basic functions, which cancels them believing in anything.

Their excuse? Well it’s to bring us closer to god, yeah.. but what can of a psychopath would you need to be to curse millions of people on the planet with a genetic flaw or organs that don’t function properly in the body?

The fact that you aren’t given a choice on whose parents you want to be born into

If I heard that God doesn't exist with proof I would immediately take my own life and be freed from this world, but I am scared. What do I do? Does God really exist?
Does God exist?
If God asks you on Judgement Day, “Why didn't you believe in me,” what would you say to him?
Prove to me that god exists. Don't tell me it's because of the odds of us being here. Can anyone tell me scientific evidence he exists?
There is no proof God exists and no evidence he exists. All Christians have is faith which is a very weak argument. Can you prove me wrong?
What proof do you have that God does not exist?
Two people, a theist and an atheist, are standing in a pitch-dark room.

Atheist: It sure is dark in here. I can’t see a thing.
Theist: Well, there’s a light switch.
Atheist: How do you know?
Theist: I read it in a book.
Atheist: Ok, then go turn it on.
Theist: Why don’t you turn it on?
Atheist: Because I don’t think it exists.
Theist: Prove that it doesn’t exist.
Atheist: Easy. If it exists, go turn it on.

It’s all about the burden of proof (i.e., whose task it is to prove something). If someone asserts the existence of something for which there is neither logical argument nor empirical evidence

How do you know God doesn't exist?
When you cross a street, you look both ways and then proceed.

How do you know an invisible little red Corvette isn't hurtling at you ready to cause you doom?

You know because there's no evidence of such a thing and it violates numerous principles of reality.

If someone told you, "But there's a song about it! And I've felt its presence in my life! If you don't believe in it, you will suffer eternal damnation! Why take a chance? Believe!" you'd think that person was a lunatic. And you'd continue to cross the street, unconcerned about any invisible cars.

[Anonymous No.21426251]

>>21425880
>If there’s truly god, god would think larger than life, the universe and something that is only present for about 80 years and has to deal with life, failure, divorce, happiness, sadness, exc. If it was the case that god did exist, our whole existence would have a huge impact on the universe around us

He has attained perfect impassibility; life and death are equally indifferent to him, the collapse of the universe would cause him no emotion.
By dint of search, he has reached the immutable truth, the unique universal Principle. He lets all beings evolve according to their destinies ...
The outward sign of this inner state is imperturbability: not that of the hero who hurls himself alone, for love of glory, against an army in line of battle,
but that of the spirit, which, higher than heaven, earth and all beings, dwells in a body to which it is indifferent, taking no account of what its senses convey to it,
and knowing all by global knowledge in its motionless unity. That spirit, absolutely independent, is the master of men; if he cared to call them all together in their multitude,
they would all rally on the appointed day; but he has no desire for their serve

Zhuangzi - chapter 5

I am death, the destroyer of all; I have come to consume the world. Even without your participation, everyone gathered here will die.
At the sight of my myriad eyes and mouths, arms and legs, stomachs and feaful teeth, the entire universe shakes in terror of me. They look at me and lose all courage, everyone rushes into my awful jaws; crushed by my teeth. As rivers flow into the ocean, all the people of this world pass into my fiery jaws; all creatures rush to their destruction like moths to a flame

Bhagavad Gita - chapter 11

A dream is something that comes into contact with the mind; an external event is something that impinges on the body. Hence our feelings by day and our dreams by night are the result of contacts made by mind or body.
it follows that if we can concentrate the maid in abstraction, our feelings and our dreams will vanish of themselves. Those who rely on their waking perceptions will not argue about them.
Those who put faith in dreams do not understand the processes of change in the external world. "The pure men of old passed their waking existence in self-oblivion, and slept without dreams."
How can this be dismissed as an empty phrase?

Xian (Chinese: 仙/仚/僊; pinyin: xiān; Wade–Giles: hsien) refers to a person or similar entity having a long life or being immortal.

They are immune to heat and cold, untouched by the elements, and can fly, mounting upward with a fluttering motion. They dwell apart from the chaotic world of man, subsist on air and dew,
are not anxious like ordinary people, and have the smooth skin and innocent faces of children. The transcendents live an effortless existence that is best described as spontaneous.

[Anonymous No.21426256]

>>21426233
>believe anyone who has interest in literature should have at least higher intelligence level than the average people
I don't know if my IQ is higher than the average person but it is way higher than yours at least

[Anonymous No.21426271]

>>21426256
>using ad hominem
>Dunning-Kruger
This explains our difference in IQ.

[Anonymous No.21426283]

>>21425752
It's terrible prose - you aren't a moron, you just need to get acclimated to it. Read the difficult passages over and over again until they click before moving on, and you'll eventually be able to move through the book normally. Don't worry about speed, take your time.

[Anonymous No.21426301]

>>21423331
Waite has some good primers on Abrahamic mysticism as well.

[Anonymous No.21426547]

>>21424801
Yes, "metaphysics" are gay
>>21424805
Differentiate that definition from just physics. You seem to be saying that the idea that there is an object world with physics is "metaphysics"

[Anonymous No.21426558]

>>21426233
>Theist: I read it in a book.
>Atheist: Ok, then go turn it on.
You have to be a moron if you think this is honest. "I read it in a book" has zero merit. Books can be fiction, retard, it's up to the person making a claim about reality to prove it is true.

[Anonymous No.21426581]

>>21420490
The post that made christcucks seethe

[Anonymous No.21426586]

>>21420715
Aristotle was a christian?

[Anonymous No.21427316]

>>21420415
Shouldn't you ask your priest or something/