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where does his reputation as this macho manly man writer for men come from?
Was he just fronting because he had major PTSD? Were his books just the other side of his personality, given they're pretty sad most of the time

>> No.21384964

>>21384702
hemingway cultivated it. war correspondent, wrote about hunting, novels about broken men, gave interviews where he tried to appear as manly as possible. fascinating guy. mother put him in dresses throughout his childhood. I'd agree he had some serious PTSD going on but never spoke about it

>> No.21384994

>>21384964
>fascinating guy. mother put him in dresses throughout his childhood.
is that where all this image thing came from do you think? does a moveable feast/other books touch more on that?

I just figured if he was so worried about being a manly man he'd write books about manly men, not guys barely functioning after enduring severe trauma

>> No.21385003

>>21384964
I think back then children were still dressed unisex so the dress thing wouldnt have been that weird

>> No.21386370

>>21385003
A "dress" was normal childrens clothing no matter the gender back then yes so it doesn't really mean anything

>> No.21386525

>>21384702
>manly man
He was, quite the typical manly man for his era anyway

Tried to enlist for WWI, got turned down, so signed up for red cross, got into the shit anyway, then covered Spanish Civil War and WWII as a correspondent (nearly landing at Omaha beach with the invasion).

Definitely the kind of PTSD that can only be calmed by going back in., again, and again.

I think he sincerely wrote about what he thought a Man should be. And one not without love or compassion either.

>> No.21386691

You also have to consider that this was a time when not all but many recognized writers and certainly wannabe writers were going to Ivy League universities and hanging out in New York and doing all these delicate things that we now associate with literary snobbery.

>> No.21387416

>>21384702
Read Dave Sim's 'Form and Void' from CEREBUS for a takedown of this fraud.

>> No.21387418

>>21386691
>wannabe writers were going to Ivy League universities and hanging out in New York and doing all these delicate things that we now associate with literary snobbery.
faggots and jews

>> No.21387429

>>21387416
>CEREBUS
keep hearing nothing but good things about this. any place to read it online? i haven't been into comics since high school

>> No.21388366

it comes from the fact that he was based

>> No.21388497

>>21384994
>I just figured if he was so worried about being a manly man he'd write books about manly men, not guys barely functioning after enduring severe trauma
art can be used as a healing escape from the meaninglessness of objective reality into more structured narratives, in which the heroes underwent hardships and did so stylishly (in the case of good prose). the writers are among the few who create such new ways to perse- I mean cope.
so, to write about the latter would require an additional self-awareness and level of abstraction. this can be found in Heinrich Bell for the post-WW2 period in Germany

>> No.21388533

>>21384702
it comes from the fact that he was based

>> No.21388578

>>21384702
i fail to see how being a sad faggot with substance addiction is 'manly'

>> No.21388580

By the by, Dan Simmons' historical fiction about Hemingway, "The Crook Factory," is a *very* entertaining novel. Highly recommended.

>> No.21388618

>>21388533
>based
his son trooned out

>> No.21388726

>>21386691
The ivy league didn't even exist back then

>> No.21388864

https://youtu.be/ZWKxRGWE5W0

>> No.21388891

>>21388726
The universities did you pedantic faggot