Its time bros

[Anonymous No.21276444]

Having read the bible, I’m about to start with the greeks.
What am i in for?

[Anonymous No.21276447]

>>21276444
a lot of gay sex

[Anonymous No.21276449]

>>21276444
>What am i in for?
homosexuality

[Anonymous No.21276457]

>>21276449
>>21276447
Don’t listen to christcucks anon
there’s less homosexuality than the bible, and they are prob upset there’s not a reference to foreskins every other page

[Anonymous No.21276463]

>having read the bible
you fucked up
you had one job

[Anonymous No.21276471]

>>21276444

[Anonymous No.21276474]

>>21276463
In order to understand the bible, start with the Greeks.

[Anonymous No.21276481]

>>21276474
to this one >>21276444

[Anonymous No.21276493]

>>21276444
Homoerotism, and I love them for that

[Anonymous No.21276495]

>>21276474
One archtype isn't following the other, they are both on the same level.
All cultures develop these characters, many of them independently of one another.

Trying to say one is the real one and one is the fake is a stupid argument

[Anonymous No.21276499]

>>21276444
>Having read the bible, I’m about to start with the greeks.
Reading The Epic of Gilgamesh is just as important since your interest is religion and mythologies

[Anonymous No.21276513]

>>21276495
>All cultures develop these
And all cultures apparently steal greek legislation, too. Totally a coincidence.

[Anonymous No.21276537]

>>21276499
That is an interest indeed, it became my main interest when reading the hebrew bible, the torah being the legendary mythology as a way to explain the emergence of the Israelites and joshua through kings being history writing to explain and excuse the israelite monarchy. So, the legendary and factually incorrect historical writings of ancient cultures has become fascinating, but i am more interested in reading canonical writings that have had impact on the rest of western literature. The epic of gilgamesh was discovered in the 1800s and therefore not an influence on any of western culture/literature before that.

[Anonymous No.21276572]

Quick reminder that it takes less than a year of minimal (<1 hour/day) effort to acquire reading proficiency enough in Greek to read the Anabasis in the original. I encourage everyone with the slightest interest in Greek to read it in the original, because you will be astounded at how accessible it becomes after relatively minimal study.

There is far more great Greek literature than you could read in your lifetime, and you can get access to all of it in the original in 5 times less time per day than you spend aimlessly browsing the internet.

[Anonymous No.21276586]

>>21276572
Even if i can read and understand every word, will it have the same emotional impact as my native language or english, which is as dear to me as my mother tongue? Seeing how no culture today speaks ancient greek, getting any tonal/emotional/dramatical depth seems difficult.
I appreciate the post nonetheless and am interested in reading ancient greek just so i can read rennaissance authors and their constant usage of it. Would also be cool to be able to read the classics.

[Anonymous No.21276607]

>>21276586
In my experience, you experience the emotions of a work of literature more directly/intensely when you read it in a second language. I imagine it has something to do with your mind having less left-over "horsepower" to do meta-thinking about what you're reading, so you can experience the emotions without (or with less) irony, jadedness, etc. I have been moved to tears by passages of the Iliad in Greek that I found far less affecting in translation, though of course your experience may be different.

As for:
>Seeing how no culture today speaks ancient greek, getting any tonal/emotional/dramatical depth seems difficult
I have not had this experience - perhaps enough of human experience is universal enough that even very foreign/ancient cultures are intelligible without a mass reserve of knowledge about the, though of course it would not be possible to know what I am not noticing, by definition.

If you are interested in the Renaissance, you may want to start with Latin (which is just as rewarding, though I find Greek to be more beautiful), as a lot more was written in Latin during that period than in Greek. The thing about Latin is that it is easier at the beginning, but I found that native Latin is harder to read than native Greek, because of certain aspects of the grammar/orthography that make Greek less ambiguous. Though if your native language is Romance, you will start with a big head-start on Latin.

[Anonymous No.21276623]

>>21276607
Yes, Latin seems to be very complicated with the cases and all, and i find modern languages with many cases difficult. Also like you say the ambiguities of latin make me feel like i wont understand texts regardless. But i will give it a go, languages is a big passion of mine, my philosophy about ancient ones though has been the one in the former post, though you may have swayed me somewhat.

[Anonymous No.21276663]

>>21276513
The Bible now counts as starting with the Greeks, I guess

[Anonymous No.21277047]

>>21276471
what am i supposed to be looking at? whatever happened to "brevity is the soul of wit"?

[Anonymous No.21277142]

>>21276607
Greek-reading anon, what are some good primers for learning Greek to be able to read the classics

and as someone who is proficient in Greek, have you read English translations of Homer? If so, what is your fav translation compared to original?

[Anonymous No.21277217]

>>21277142
check out /clg/ classic languages general on /lit/

[Anonymous No.21277247]

>>21276572
To add to this, Apollodorus is even easier than Xenophon so there really is no excuse.
>>21277142
Homer does not translate to English at all. I assume for a native English speaker a German translation would be the best way to get familiar with homeric poetry.

[Anonymous No.21277995]

>>21277247
Prose translation works for homer.

[Anonymous No.21278019]

>>21276447
>>21276449
Good

[Anonymous No.21278865]

>>21277995
Yeah you might as well watch Troy at that point.

[Anonymous No.21278896]

>>21277247
What does German do that
English can’t to render Homer more aptly?

[Anonymous No.21278916]

>>21278865
Don’t be ridiculous. The greatness of Homer is not the rythm.

[Anonymous No.21278957]

>>21278916
It is a big part of it. The Iliad is not a novel.

[Anonymous No.21279007]

>>21276663
The New Testament anyway.

[Anonymous No.21279014]

>>21276572
Protip: acquire as much of the Loeb library as you can afford.

[Anonymous No.21279017]

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[Anonymous No.21279026]

>>21277247
>Homer does not translate to English at all
Poetry in general doesn't translate at all. Poetry has been defined as "that which is lost in translation."
But if you have exceptionally talented poets, they will appropriate the originals and make them seem like they belong to your own literature.
In the case of the English, that poet is George Chapman.

[Anonymous No.21279036]

>>21278865
Troy is not an adaptation of Homer, dumbass.
It's got the fucking wooden horse in it FFS.

[Anonymous No.21280538]

>>21279026
you can't replicate dactylic hexameter in english
you can't even translate πολύτροπον
>tell me about a complicated man
lmao

[Anonymous No.21281362]

>>21276447
>>21276449
>>21276493
fuck iff rabbi

[Anonymous No.21281536]

>>21280538
Infamously bad example. But again, the greatness of Homer is his humanity and similies to nature, which is why he is universally adored and firmly anchored in the western canon. Its not for his fucking usage of ancient greek that sounded dated at his own time.

[Anonymous No.21282084]

>>21277142
I am the anon to whom you were originally responding. My recommendation is to rush through Athenaze (parts 1 and 2) as fast as humanly possible (figure 1 month for each book), while simultaneously using the 2000 most common Ancient Greek words Anki deck, and then proceeding directly to Anabasis. It will be difficult at first, but there is no real way to smoothly bring up your level - you need to get a basic understanding of the grammar, verb forms, noun morphology, and then just jump in, though the water will at first feel very cold.

[Anonymous No.21283142]

>>21276444
A lot of stories condensed into a relatively few short pages in summary. Hardly any real dialogue whatsoever. Everything is all just brief descriptions.

[Anonymous No.21283641]

>>21276444
You do know the Latin bible off by heart....Don’t you anon?

[Anonymous No.21283789]

>>21276463
>you had one job
indeed there is one book of job in the bible