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Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:25:41 2022 No.21013609 [Reply] [Original]

V For Vendetta:
>book about left-wing terrorist overthrowing an authoritarian government
>available in just about any bookstore or public library
>major film adaptation by Hollywood
>you can buy masks and imagery from the book freely, many organizations use its imagery with no controversy
>taught in some high schools as part of their curriculum
The Turner Diaries:
>book about right-wing terrorist overthrowing an authoritarian government
>banned from all schools
>banned from all libraries
>banned from all bookstores
>rumor has it purchasing back when it was available the book used to put you on an FBI watchlist
Why is this? Are leftists not a threat to the system?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:26:44 2022 No.21013617 >>21013609 Leftists are the system.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:27:29 2022 No.21013620 >>21013609 Because V for Vendetta is well written and well drawn. Turner Diaries is a piece of shit book.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:28:04 2022 No.21013623 >>21013620 >V for Vendetta is well written

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:28:35 2022 No.21013626 >>21013617 Fpbp

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:29:31 2022 No.21013630 >>21013623 Compared to the piece of shit you are memeing, yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:30:32 2022 No.21013637 >>21013617 >Capitalist republics >leftists ??

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:31:07 2022 No.21013640 >>21013637 Correct

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:33:04 2022 No.21013647 >>21013640 I disagree. The economic system is right-wing, the social trends are liberal. It's just not as right-wing as you would like but that doesn't make it leftist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:39:05 2022 No.21013697 >>21013647 Okay, so answer the OP question now

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:39:56 2022 No.21013701 >>21013697 >>21013620

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:43:42 2022 No.21013723 >>21013701 I accept your concession, leftists are not a threat to the system, as the system itself is leftist.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:46:51 2022 No.21013741

>>21013697
Moving from the obvious gap in artistic quality, anarchism and communism are so far removed from modern capitalist democracies that they are essentially harmless fantasies. Fascism and right-wing dictatorships however are very much possible in capitalism and thus are considered dangerous.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:48:00 2022 No.21013746 >>21013741 So leftism is not a threat to the system, but for different reasons then what I thought? Interesting

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:48:23 2022 No.21013747 >>21013723 > the system itself is leftist. If you live in Cuba, sure. If you live in Europe or the US, not at all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:49:21 2022 No.21013757 >>21013620 They hated him because he spoke the truth.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:52:30 2022 No.21013777

>>21013746
Yes. Look at it this way, in modern Western democracies, it'd be far more easy to achieve fascism than to achieve communism. For communism you would need to change both the economic and social realities, for fascism you only need to change the social one.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:52:31 2022 No.21013779

>>21013637
leftists claim to want to end capitalism, but they are incapable of forcing the soci-economic developments that would end markets and commodity production, so instead they latch into and subvert the state, academia, and media of their countries (when conditions are not right for revolution, when they are, they turn to violence)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:52:52 2022 No.21013782 Honestly re: the people itt saying one of these books is higher quality than the other, I’m just assuming you’ve read neither. They’re both masturbatory revenge fantasies with no nuance, that would only appeal to a dumber than average teenager

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:54:22 2022 No.21013800 >>21013747 there is, in actuality, little difference between Cuba and say, Denmark, from a Marxian perspective of society and economics. Both economies center around commodity production, capital, and markets

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:55:07 2022 No.21013803 >>21013800 How would you define leftism?

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:56:06 2022 No.21013806

>>21013609
Former is neutral feel good bullshit for "rebellious" retards.
Latter is an extreme blasphemy against modern nameless religion which pretends it's not a religion. It's not even dangerous material, in fully secular society it would have had about as much substance as former, but it contains sacrilege against various sacred cows.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:58:08 2022 No.21013822 >>21013609 That retard Mark Fisher was right. Libtards found a way to neuter the left and they will soon do it to the right as well.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:58:55 2022 No.21013827

>>21013803
it’s most pure and theoretical definition would be an ideology that advocates for the end of commodity production, private property, money, ect

In that sense countries like Cuba and China are capitalist nations whose leaders are self-declared leftists

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:58:56 2022 No.21013828 >>21013822 The left was always “neutered.”

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:01:42 2022 No.21013843
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How did Turner Diaries cause picrel?
It's so fucking stupid, a shameless power fantasy. You can almost feel the author beating off on your face as you read.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:02:33 2022 No.21013848 >>21013843 Was this the explosion caused by the guy who looks like H. P. Lovecraft?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:03:47 2022 No.21013854 >>21013843 >cause picrel You are big boy, come on, you should be aware already that EVERY SINGLE "terrorist attack" that does not targets lives of those at the top of system is perpetrated by system's own secret services for various reasons.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:14:46 2022 No.21013911 >>21013843 >How did Turner Diaries cause picrel? It didn't, it was another real life event.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:15:06 2022 No.21013912

>>21013854
They want to establish a police state where people are happy with self-policing, censorship, and the government taking away their freedoms?
And they used a reprehensible, easily hated group to show the masses that books and ideas are so dangerous they make people do violent shit like this and thus they should be afraid of everyone but the government?

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:21:52 2022 No.21013951

The other day I watched the Kingsman movie. There's a scene where the epic cool dude massacres a church of right-wing, anti-abortion, anti-homo christcuck fundies and he has this epic one liner right before the massacre where he goes "hail satan and my faggot nigger boyfriend".
When am I gonna see an epic cool dude massacre a tranny rally full of caricatures of the left and gay niggers right after saying "heil hitler"? Never cause media can only be edgy one way.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:23:02 2022 No.21013957 >>21013951 christcucks aren't a vulnerable minority

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:24:28 2022 No.21013964 >>21013957 Wrong! Christcucks aren't dominant religion anymore. Religions don't like existence of other religions.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:29:52 2022 No.21013991 >>21013951 A lot of movies coming out now are just torture revenge porn for 85 IQ minorities Black people really fucking hate white people, it's hilarious

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:37:33 2022 No.21014016 >>21013964 wrong

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 21:46:53 2022 No.21014308 >>21013991 I love how they just outright make White people into horror movie monsters

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 22:23:26 2022 No.21014506 >>21014308 Get Out was unironically a good movie.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 22:25:10 2022 No.21014512 Chicken Little on the PC wrappin'

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 22:36:30 2022 No.21014568

>>21013609
>book about right-wing terrorist overthrowing an authoritarian government
How up. You don't understand what leftwing/rightwing means This is a rightwing vs rightwing
Very dishonest bellyaching

>>21013640
No, it's not correct

>>21013779
When Biden says he's a leftist. WHY ARE YOU GONNA BELIEVE HIM?

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 22:50:34 2022 No.21014629

>>21013951
The scene in question
>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pZCtSq3yDPs
One of the best action set pieces of the 2010s. You know the OP who’s always complaining about normalfags shying away from edgy subject matter?
Well this is a perfect example. Edgy and subversive, so much so that it still generates controversy in 2022.
Is this an endorsement of violence against white conservatives? Are we supposed to cheer for Colin Firth or horrified at the carnage?
The genius of the scene is proved by how many people remember it and still talk about it to this day. Epic

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 22:52:39 2022 No.21014634 >>21013609 Because being left-wing is morally correct and being right-wing is not

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 22:55:23 2022 No.21014647 >>21013620 Truth. OP BTFO.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 23:09:23 2022 No.21014701 >>21014634 Truth is though: The left and right of the V universe in UK had enough of the big brother shit and united

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 23:11:36 2022 No.21014716 >>21013609 V is a comic book and you have never read the Turner Diaries.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 23:23:20 2022 No.21014769

>>21013647
>The economic system is right-wing
The extent of State control over the economy nowadays in any Western country is way, way beyond the wildest imagination of the common man in the 1920's. Capitalism was extremely eroded after WW1 and it only got worse with WW2.
The "capitalism" of today has little to do with the Capitalism of the Belle Époque.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 23:25:16 2022 No.21014778 >>21013957 Retarded excuse, try again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 23:26:45 2022 No.21014786 >>21014634 Being underage in 4chan is also morally incorrect.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 00:14:04 2022 No.21014957 >>21014716 I started this thread because I was reading the Turner Diaries

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 00:14:35 2022 No.21014960 >>21013609 V for Vendetta goes on >>>/co/ Graphic novels are NOT LITERATURE

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 00:15:54 2022 No.21014965 >>21014960 The Turner Diaries go on >>>/lit/ (this redditspace intentionally left blank) Literature is NOT GRAPHIC NOVELS

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 00:16:11 2022 No.21014966 >>21014960 >Shut it down! Turner is losing. They know!

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 00:38:55 2022 No.21015075 File: 55 KB, 618x412, 1616706870781.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21013609 turner diaries has a sex scene, ima go ahead and assume v for vendetta doesnt, therefore v for vendetta is better

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 00:42:09 2022 No.21015089 >>21014966 next time read harold covingtons white nationalist insurrection books or william linds Christian insurrection book or kurt schlichters split america books

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 00:43:50 2022 No.21015096 File: 126 KB, 1022x1024, 1616985104315m.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21014966 should of known turner and hunter would be shit because william pierce was a professor

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 00:48:55 2022 No.21015112 >>21013609 >wahhh wahhh wheres ma right wing fantasy mobie wahhh violently shits in diapers WAAAHHHH Truth is op, they already did. And these are based on books that are far superior then your faggot german diddling power fantasy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 00:50:15 2022 No.21015117 File: 967 KB, 1646x809, 8524A836-5926-4D42-8805-4344E39C1C13.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21015112

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 00:53:11 2022 No.21015129 >>21014965 >redditspace Shut your stupid thing

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 00:54:26 2022 No.21015135 >>21015112 LOTR is right wing af, they literally reinstate the fucking monarchy

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 01:09:53 2022 No.21015206

>>21013620
>Turner Diaries is a piece of shit book.
I love it, it's very funny. Pierce really captures the lingo of the conscripts drafted in as military police to defend Washington,
"HEY MAN, WHAT THE SHIT!"

Even the tacky ending where Washington and the Turner Gang team up and would inexplicably throw their last nukes at Communist Russia instead of on each other is artistic, in an idealistic sort of way.

>>21013609
>>book about right-wing terrorist overthrowing an authoritarian government
>>banned from all schools
>>banned from all libraries
>>banned from all bookstores
>>rumor has it purchasing back when it was available the book used to put you on an FBI watchlist
They are some of the most insecure little authoritarians ever to be in charge of a rubber-stamp.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 01:11:50 2022 No.21015221 >>21015135 >LOTR is right wing af, When Bingbo sticks his finger in Frodoes ring and angers Sore Ron?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 01:13:51 2022 No.21015231 >>21013609 The Turner Diaries also features the genocide of 90% of the world's population.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 01:14:00 2022 No.21015232 >>21013609 >not a threat to the system V doesn't use guns is maybe why. Although he does use bombs, I suppose.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 01:15:08 2022 No.21015240 >>21015135 Okay okay. Listen. LotR is more conservative, than the chud-core shit being served up here. It is wonderful stuff, very nostalgic, anti-industrialism, royalist to an incidental degree. But lefties like it too

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 01:15:19 2022 No.21015241 >>21013609 you're on the bad guys team

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 01:15:27 2022 No.21015242 >>21015206 It's banned like mangoes from my local greensgrocer in winter

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 01:18:52 2022 No.21015257 >>21015240 >anti-industrialism conservationistic would be a better descriptor

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 01:21:05 2022 No.21015264

>>21015240
>LotR is more conservative
Honestly, I don't get the connection. It's only kind of relatable as a Narnia story if you grew up in England and wanted to hang out with elves as a child, or something like this. I don't see how a non-British person could relate to anything going on in the story at all.

Anyway, it was an over hyped and largely boring story. The original graphic novel where Bilbo beats up Goebbels and stabs the spider is more fun than the endless fucking horse-riding. I did like the Normal Voice Orc parodies though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 01:22:15 2022 No.21015271 >>21015242 >mango DAT SOUND LIKE ME!

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 01:25:30 2022 No.21015288 >>21015271 Go man, go!

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 01:26:33 2022 No.21015298 >>21015264 You don't know what conservative is, it's like jam but has more fruit bits in it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 01:28:34 2022 No.21015305 >>21015264 >I don't see how a non-British person could relate to anything going on in the story at all. literal autism

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 01:29:58 2022 No.21015310 >>21015298 >jam this goes well with Maggoty Bread, I hear.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 01:31:58 2022 No.21015323 >>21015305 >uncomprehended no no i figured it out, to a non-british person seeing images of people in the local pub is like seeing magical gnomes and dwarves in a fairyworld setting.

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 01:44:54 2022 No.21015398

>>21013609
Is V even "left wing" anymore? Iirc, the entire plot has loads of similarities to Qanon and Jan 6, which is a topic that always makes progressives seethe.
>edgy guy 'exposes' the wrongdoings of the government, with no evidence whatsoever
>tells a bunch of people to meet outside parliament for a revolution, "just trust the plan bro"
>they show up and bum rush the legislature, while the elites seethe and demand that their police force uses live ammo

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 02:09:51 2022 No.21015510 >>21015135 >>21015240 in LOTR did the dwarves represent the scottish or the italians?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 02:13:06 2022 No.21015535 >>21013620 It's not a piece of shit. You're just lisping queer dog nigger loving leftist sodomite that seethes at OP simply stating the obvious

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 02:17:47 2022 No.21015556 >>21015510 The Germans

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 02:46:14 2022 No.21015647 >>21015535 lmao idk the context here but calm down i'm sure you can think of a better response than this it's pathetic anon if you're gonna call someone a faggot then do it with some creativity

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 02:47:51 2022 No.21015653 >>21013609 what's the difference between a left wing terrorist and a right wing terrorist?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 02:50:00 2022 No.21015659 >>21015075 V For Vendetta does, that’s like… it’s main appeal

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 02:51:14 2022 No.21015663 >>21015242 What third world country do you live in?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 02:51:32 2022 No.21015664 >>21015653 LWT wants to liberate his entire country. RWT wants to liberate le whiterinos only and kill the rest.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 02:52:33 2022 No.21015667 >>21015659 >its main appeal lmao not even close.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 02:54:14 2022 No.21015674 >>21015653 one wears a covid mask, the other a turban

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 02:54:36 2022 No.21015676 >>21015535 It objectively is a piece of shit. There is good right-wing literature but this dogshit is not it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 02:56:40 2022 No.21015683 >>21015653 >>21015674 one works at a university, the other at a kebab shop

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 02:58:04 2022 No.21015685 >>21015398 V is an anarchist in the comic. A silly liberal in the American movie.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 02:58:48 2022 No.21015688 >>21015653 The entire political spectrum is ethnic conflict right now. Left refers to Jews and blacks, Right refers to Whites. Asian and Hispanics are usually also left, but are sometimes right.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 03:05:01 2022 No.21015713 >>21013617 fpbp

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 03:08:58 2022 No.21015737 >>21015653 one is antinomian, the other is pronomian

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 03:10:57 2022 No.21015746
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>the turner diaries
don't the extremists in this book drop nukes on all non-white countries in the world?
the problem i find with this is that those non-white countries can still have many white (objectively) people in them, places like central asia or north africa
casualties of relativity i guess

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 03:12:29 2022 No.21015753

>>21015746
>An hour earlier, in New York, the Organization used a bazooka to shoot down an airliner which had just taken off for Tel Aviv with a load of vacationing dignitaries, mostly Jews. There were no survivors. (Note to the reader: A "bazooka" was a portable launcher for small rockets, used primarily as an infantry weapon against armored vehicles during World War 11, 60-54 BNE, and already obsolete by 8 BNE. Tel Aviv was the largest city in Palestine during the period of Jewish occupation of that unfortunate country in the Old Era. The ruins of the city are still too radioactive for human habitation.”
Excerpt From
The Turner Diaries
William Luther Pierce
This material may be protected by copyright.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 03:13:18 2022 No.21015755 >>21013991 It's only funny if you don't live around them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 04:33:05 2022 No.21015987 >>21015746 It's not too late Iranbro, luckily America still has roofs on top of buildings

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 06:08:57 2022 No.21016223 >>21013617 This.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 06:22:05 2022 No.21016250 >>21013609 >V for vendetta >left wing The absolute state of /pol/

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 07:12:01 2022 No.21016336 >>21013609 Bookstores are run by leftists

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 08:46:50 2022 No.21016547 >>21015135 * gimli asks galadriel for hair in front of her husvand * eowyn cross dresses

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 08:52:50 2022 No.21016565 >>21013620 >>21013626 The Turner Diaries are forbidden everywhere because they’re poorly written? Lol, lmao even.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 09:34:25 2022 No.21016656 >>21013609 >meh liberty Or >meh niggers Both are retarded. Makes no difference to me

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 10:25:49 2022 No.21016758 >>21016565 Yeah they’re just censoring stuff due to quality control

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 10:56:35 2022 No.21016812 >>21015398 It's funny how if V had just been slightly racist, not even really racist, but if he had talked about something like crime statistics only once, then the whole comic would be universally seen as far right propaganda.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 11:03:20 2022 No.21016819 File: 69 KB, 610x782, based.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21013609 >The Turner Diaries: >book about right-wing terrorist overthrowing an authoritarian government That's a weird way of spelling masturbatory racewar baiting

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 11:05:46 2022 No.21016825

>>21013609
>left-wing terrorist media
"Terrorist" fights against genocide.
>right-wing terrorist media
Terrorist commits genocide.

Not difficult Chud. The reason you convince no one but abject losers on /pol/ and normies march on caring little for what you say is that you cannot reason and cannot get laid.

Have sex.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 11:07:00 2022 No.21016827 File: 3.52 MB, 1170x1543, billy joe shaver - Google Search.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21016819 >V For Vendetta isn’t masturbatory

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 11:07:27 2022 No.21016828 >>21013806 You mean the jews?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 11:07:59 2022 No.21016829 >>21016827 Oh it totally is. It jizzes style

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 11:13:22 2022 No.21016841 >>21016829 So why isn’t it banned?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 11:18:26 2022 No.21016846 >>21016841 Because it doesn't advocate for violence against others due to immutable characteristics

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 11:22:08 2022 No.21016852

>>21013647
Nigger, do you understand that the whole point of leftism was to end monarchy and to empower the merchant class? Now the merchant class and their offspring, the academic class, are so powerful they control everything, but somehow it's the right wing's fault? B-but w-what a-about M-marx? Nigger, Marx didn't invent leftism. Marxists are just useful idiots who muddle the waters with their stupidity to make regular leftist seem moderate and centrist in comparison. That's why you're allowed to exist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 11:23:46 2022 No.21016855 >>21016852 >Nigger, do you understand that the whole point of leftism was to end monarchy and to empower the merchant class? Lmao. Google bourgeoisie real quick, and look over how the "merchant class" is viewed through a leftist lens

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 11:25:59 2022 No.21016860 >>21016825 >Chud Being a chud would be amazing, imagine being able to live a carefree life in the sewers, preying on nothing but leftist cattle from the land above, dragging them into your lair kicking and screaming to be consumed. Seems comfy.

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 11:41:03 2022 No.21016887

>>21016855
>leftist lens
You are not getting it, are you, you drooling retard? You and your chapocel friends don't own leftism. All you're doing is redefining and already existing label and acting like you're the only ones to get it right. But your retarded brand of leftism couldn't even be applied to the west, where the concept of the left and right wing emerged. It's hilarious how the same "materialists" who supposedly reject idealism take for granted their definition of leftism as if they had found the platonic source of it. In the real world, retard, if we follow the genealogy of leftism, then it's no wonder Biden sees himself as one, because he has a lot more in common with what leftism has always been than some chink or slav peasant who had never even thought about such things. Marxism as some sort of true leftism is an ahistorical notion.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 12:18:43 2022 No.21016953 V is based on Guy Fawkes. I don't know how to do the mental gymnastics required to make what he stood for, his intention, into left wing politics. Y'all are retards.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 12:21:34 2022 No.21016957 >>21016953 Guy Fawkes was a patsy and the gunpowder plot was a protty false flag.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 12:24:31 2022 No.21016966 >>21016957 Head canon notwithstanding, that isn't an explanation

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 12:28:15 2022 No.21016976 >>21016852 >>21016887 Thank you for putting this into words

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 12:29:38 2022 No.21016981 >>21016976 Orwell explains it in nineteen eighty-four

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 12:32:51 2022 No.21016986

>>21016887
>>21016855
It's easy, kids. Stop thinking in false terms of Left and Right, it's obviously a divisive cause of impediment and non-resolution.

Not to mention the questionable legality of having a national government split in the chamber along arbitrary lines, when neither resemble the presumed (not even professed) ideological stance of Left or Right - which changes from one country to the next about what a Left or a Right even is.

General Washington explained this anyway, citing the obvious problems inherent in factionalism and spiteful party politics; all having witnessed the results from living under the British parliament.

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 12:52:50 2022 No.21017039

>>21016852
>the whole point of leftism was to end monarchy and to empower the merchant class? Now the merchant class and their offspring, the academic class, are so powerful they control everything, but somehow it's the right wing's fault?
Jesus.

I think you'll find 'Leftism' - or what you describe as Leftism - was nationalist and working class in every instance (inc. the later supporters of marxism). The 'merchant class' is as ill-defined in this context; presumably you mean loansharks and Jews and not the Venetian or Hansa Republic models. These both, in effect, served the monarchs. Whereas loansharking was handled by the Church, the first prisons in england for instance were owned by the Church and built for those who owed them money - both transnational trade and the churches were, of course, not concerned for the national interest primarily, and so did not care for the people.

But other than this shuffling around of names and jobs, paradoxically, the 'monarchy' would be far more in favor 'of' the people through being the only party in whose interest it was to develop the nation (new production) and thus make the people prosperous (new work, cheap surplus of food and goods). Trade benefits from this but it benefits anyway whether a nation is dirt poor or not, until the coin becomes worthless. The non-aligned middle-men.

Financiers, on the other hand, can come either from production or trade; amassing coins and charging to secure a person to take a loan from someone else. This is the worst problem of all of them and it tends more to be 'Right' than 'Left' - in those stupid terms - as a King or a Production Owner (Manor Lord w/ aricultural estates) can just as easily fall into a debt trap and have his land and his dependents (the people) ruined as consequence. But the need for borrowing money (national debts, inherited unpayable massive debts) and the value of the money can be shown to be tied to the shortage of goods rather than the surplus of goods; e.g. if bread is everywhere and being given away due to everyones hunger needs being met by solid production, then nobody can profit from selling bread. Likewise a coal mine is only prosperous when the coal is in dire short supply; when poverty in the nation exists, so both finance and production, can fall into the same trap of self-enrichment at the expense of the nation.

Long story short: left vs. right is completely meaningless and constitutes a non-reality where you're not examining how anything operates in that "material" sense. To that end it's very useful to confuse these matters.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 13:13:21 2022 No.21017099 >>21017039 t. esl imagine writing that much not to say anything

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 13:17:11 2022 No.21017111

>>21016887
>if we follow the genealogy of leftism, then it's no wonder Biden sees himself as one, because he has a lot more in common with what leftism has always been than some chink or slav peasant who had never even thought about such things.
>"in the real world"
lol

It's more accurate to describe the phenomenon of the 'stock market corporation' as being a stateless dukedom which has been allowed to monopolize production at the expense of national production. The only cross-overs of this into the left/right dichotomy are that nominally 'liberal' utterances serve to deflect people away from the companys role and aim of outsourcing labor (identical colonialism; slave labor overseas at the expense of jobs in production at home) by proclaiming nice sounding sentiments like "open borders, sunny valleys, rainbow people" as merely PR narratives. There's nothing Left or Right about it in that the nation; its government and its citizenry, are greatly impoverished by this except that a very bad government is able to scum money to pay itself from the scenario whereby basic goods that would otherwise be produced locally but are instead produced overseas and shipped back home at great expense can only then be taxed through Tariff which go straight to the government - Tariffs being the primary method originally and up until the late 1800's for governments to make any money, before things like income tax and all the other taxes were invented.

The Tariff originated in North Africa originally, not as a means of making money but as a means of stifling trade into North Africa from the Southern European merchant houses who were enriching themselves by off-loading crap into the markets of Tunis, Tripolitana, Algiers,etc.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 13:19:24 2022 No.21017115 >>21017111 >There's nothing Left or Right about it define left and right

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 13:22:47 2022 No.21017126

Probably because leftoids have a 0.01% chance of pulling off a violent revolution and rightoids have like a 1% chance of pulling off a violent revolution. This is because leftoids work as pundits for the social wing of liberalism and are thus integrated with the system, while rightoids work as forklift operators and if they went on strike that could cause an economic crisis

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 13:23:09 2022 No.21017128

>>21017099
imagine not being able to read or process plain information in your own native language.

Most of the reasons why all those problems persist is because idiots such as yourself with your out-dated false beliefs are allowed to wander around speaking nonsense.

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 13:23:48 2022 No.21017131

>>21017115
Easy. Left is marxism, seizing the means of production to give them to the working class. The goal is to eventually reach communism, a stateless and unexploitative form of government. The Right is capitalism, but I do admit modern economies are not "real capitalism" anymore, and in that sense you could say the modern world isn't truly Right wing either, but it's obviously still closer to the Right than to the Left.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 13:27:00 2022 No.21017153 >>21017128 I can "process your plain information" lmao (why are you talking like a fag, by the way?), but it's still grating to read some esl faggot larn english and come back in a year or two

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 13:28:13 2022 No.21017159

>>21017115
>define
That's the point isn't it? There is no definition and the presumed definition (i.e. what you or i think Left and Right means) which is put onto any ideas or any 'political party' is more often a pejorative and a non-sequitur;

e.g. company hires slave labor overseas, government benefits from importing goods and not producing goods, citizenry have no work and can't afford to buy the goods, citizens praise or hate the company and government for being Left Wing (for outsourcing to help the third world) or for being Right Wing (for outsourcing to slave labor) - when obviously neither labels apply nor describe anything going on.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 13:29:07 2022 No.21017163 >>21017128 You are a bloviating idiot with not one significant thought running through your smoothbrain. A bullet to the head would increase your IQ.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 13:29:07 2022 No.21017164 >>21017131 So where would a feudalist or monarchist fit into this scheme? Are they left-wing? Or did Marx say that liberal capitalism was progressive compared to them? Had he been born in the 1600s, would Marx have stood with kings or the bourgeoisie?

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 13:31:14 2022 No.21017173

>>21017153
> (why are you talking like a fag, by the way?),
>but it's still grating to read some esl faggot
I'm sorry you've never left your house and met anybody who's actually well-educated in your life who can think and speak at the normal level.

>larn english
xd piss off to the football ground and put a thick length of battered meat into your mouth, you deplorable little criminal class, you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 13:32:20 2022 No.21017179 >>21017126 >rightoid unionists interesting theory

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 13:36:11 2022 No.21017190 >>21017163 as I said: football ground,12 inch hotdog, your mouth.

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 13:37:30 2022 No.21017192

>>21017159
A lot of this confusion is because of gross
mischaracterizations of bourgeois culture. Leftists, especially the early-mid 20th century sort, were hellbent on proving that bourgeois culture was inherently conservative, repressive, exclusionary etc. but they were just wrong about that. Now that the bourgeoisie has the technology to become conscious of itself as a global class, it has dumped conservatism and nationalism (useful tools for rallying support against leftists) and turned into gay open borders capitalism. Many on the far right of the past knew that the bourgeoisie was only
on their side due to historical circumstance or hope of profit. Now the mask is off and the bourgeoisie reveals its true face, which is turning the right against capitalism

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 13:39:59 2022 No.21017202 >>21017190 >football Its called soccer you dumb turd worlder.

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 13:41:31 2022 No.21017207

>>21017159
>when obviously neither labels apply nor describe anything going on.
The left wing label is the only one that applies. The modern world is inherently left wing. The right is just a slower version of the left, but both vectors move in the same direction. There's not a single mainstream right wing talking point that wasn't originally a leftist one.

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 13:43:28 2022 No.21017212

>>21017131
>still closer to the Right
>The Right is capitalism
yeah this is.,.,.,.,. true. You just need to realize that the basis of capitalism is criminal financial fraud; debt, which operates against production and against the interest of any nation - and that this dynamic (inflation and debasement, currency manipulation, speculative trading) was criminalized as Piracy once upon a time.

i.e. again: >>21017111

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 13:43:29 2022 No.21017213

>>21017179
More than interesting, it’s a silver bullet. Something like Strasserism is going to win against all other ideologies as the strongest opposition to international capitalism (globalism) because it rejects both the economic and the social underpinnings of the current order while other ideologies only attack one or the other

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 13:47:21 2022 No.21017227

>>21017164
If Marx had been born then he would have obviously supported the bourgeoisie, because they had the revolutionary spirit of the times, but that doesn't mean they were Left wing. They were still Right. The Left is not an open concept that depends of the historical context. Only marxism is genuinely Left.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 13:48:52 2022 No.21017235 >>21017202 >>football >Its called soccer you dumb turd worlder. lololol SOCCER xd americans

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 13:50:15 2022 No.21017242 >>21017213 >Something like Strasserism is going to win against all other ideologies Strasserism is a meme. No one outside your mom's basement even knows what it is. Take the L.

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 13:52:53 2022 No.21017249

>>21015653
>what's the difference between a left wing terrorist and a right wing terrorist?
How they are treated years later. Many Weather Underground members have academic sinecures, their children (Chesa Boudin, e.g.) are not treated like shit & have high positions in government and media treat them better (NYT is very nice to Weathermen).

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 13:53:57 2022 No.21017251

>>21017227
That sounds like pure idealism. How can a historical materialist posit their materialism as something that stands outside of history? This is actually why Marxism lost to the New Left btw. As soon as you realize that Marx was just a dude responding to the material conditions of his time, his system loses its scientific and universal character. That’s why Lefties morphed into postmodernists and culture warriors battling capitalism through the superstructure, only through idealism can they stand outside of and above history

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 13:56:38 2022 No.21017260

>>21017242
That’s why I said something like. It’s good that the name won’t be used because of the association with the secular devil (austrian mustache man). Regardless, the opposition will smash together leftist calls to break up the power centers of financial elites with rightist appeals to transcendant values and the power of blood & soil to oppose internationalism

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 13:57:31 2022 No.21017263 File: 129 KB, 828x538, fukuyama liberal left and right.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21013609

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 14:00:30 2022 No.21017269 >>21017249 Bill Ayers was most definitely snitching. Only reason he got away scott free was because he was a glowie asset.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 14:00:38 2022 No.21017271 >>21017260 Sounds rather pseudo-religious

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 14:05:12 2022 No.21017287

>>21017207
>The left wing label is the only one that applies
How's that?

is this (below) Left or Right or Neither?
>company hires slave labor overseas, government benefits from importing goods and not producing goods, citizenry have no work and can't afford to buy the goods, citizens praise or hate the company and government for being Left Wing (for outsourcing to help the third world) or for being Right Wing (for outsourcing to slave labor)

>>21017192
>A lot of this confusion is because of gross
>mischaracterizations of bourgeois culture.
Yeah I agree with this. It was a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater to think that predatory slavery and mismanagement of production was how things were "supposed to be", that the Kings set it up that way.

but..... this?
>the bourgeoisie reveals its true face, which is turning the right against capitalism
The 'bourgeoisie' 'is' the capitalism; in that they neither produce anything they are not stewards or ... producers... and that they exist on a mountain of debt that their actions are predicated upon trying to pay off little by little, lending themselves as sad helpers to the financial scammers - orare the financial scammers themselves. That's inherent in the word bourgeois and burgher, isn't it?

i.e. not the person who does anything with the land, but the person who purchased the land for the sole purpose of collecting rents.

Again, that's why the Left vs. Right doesn't make any sense at all when looking at the causes and effects of the problems.

It maks more sense the way I said it; it's not "liberalism" that comes out when these people do their virtue signalling and platitudes, it's merely PR to present their colonial model out-sourcing to slave labor and their rent collection (at the expense of production, mind you) as being 'nice' - OR you could say it's their own conscious guilt of their way of life; their actual deeds, which has them jump up and proclaim to be anti-colonial before anybody even connected them 'to' colonial methods.

I'll make a prediction that nothing is going to change w/re: outsourcing of work and importing of goods (and subsequent pollution, fuel wastage), as there's no means to collect massive taxes by the government without the Tariff model which operates entirely upon the imports. Also they would be terribly afraid of worker rights coming back if production moved back to the West in any large way. And it would be considered to be greatly harmful to the financial system of debased currency (inflation; scarcity of goods) if surplus in production were accomplished, as it easily might be.

The 'capitalist' lot, in their one-room apartments, living on debt, have no real interest in changing these things.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 14:06:09 2022 No.21017291 >>21017260 I am saying the ideology itself is a meme, regardless of how it is called, It has no political power or influence in the real world. It is impotent, like the flaccid penis of a husband past his prime.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 14:07:35 2022 No.21017294 >>21017287 you're so obviously autistic that it makes me wonder if you're trans

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 14:11:13 2022 No.21017303 >>21017294 I told you, kiddo, or Intelligence Operative trying to derail the thread, go and treat yourself to a steaming sausage. >autistic that'd be your dysgenic offspring trans >that'd be your dad B4ZGINA

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 14:14:59 2022 No.21017315

>>21017294
>autis
AAAAALLLLLSOOOO
You realize that the thought process of trying to fit complex things into neat little boxes actually 'is' autism, right? You can google this.

i.e. when you see somebody not using your neat little boxes to oversimplify complex subjects, and when your little brain spazzes about this and begins to eject pejorative terms in all directions, that this is actually a textbook sign of
Your Own Autism.

I'm just saying this for the benefit of the other readers here, I don't expect you to apologize or anything lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 14:16:50 2022 No.21017319 >>21017303 This thread should've been deleted at the start. OP subject matter is off-topic.

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 14:17:30 2022 No.21017323

>>21017249
The difference is that left wing terrorists are actually fighting against the system while right wing terrorists only want to maintain the status quo because they are scared of being made obsolete by minorities. That's the difference between Susan Rosenberg and the January 6 fuckers.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 14:17:33 2022 No.21017324 >>21017315 Take your meds and lay off the estrogen you tranny freak.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 14:21:39 2022 No.21017343 >>21017324 So what if she (yes, she) is trans? That doesn't invalidate her (yes, her) arguments. No matter how much you try to spin it, liberals are not leftists.

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 14:23:42 2022 No.21017350

>>21017324
ALSOOO
pretending a person is in your head and sticking with when you can't refute their original statement it is a textbook sign of
Your Own Schizophrenia

You can borrow this and use it the next time someone figures out you're trying to detail and thread and calls you an Intelligence Operative. Remember: when you're guilty of a thing, accuse them of it first! It's so easy.

>>21017319
Eh... OP did mention Leftism vs Rightism. It all follows, in a technical sense.

This is a better topic than fucking comicbooks anyway. Kept me occupied while I was having my coffee break.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 14:24:52 2022 No.21017359 >>21013822 His first name is Bobby not Mark

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 14:25:19 2022 No.21017362 >>21017315 >>21017350 It's hilarious how trannies can't even pass online.

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 14:28:41 2022 No.21017375

>>21017343
eh the little guy is just doing an anti-intellectual put-down; when I was his age if we heard someone speaking properly about a subject we would find some local word to insult them and put them down as well. I realize only as an adult that we did this out of shame that we couldn't do whatever the other person could do... but the weird cultural thing of conflating "well spoken and intelligent" with being gay or sexually deviant? Idk where that came from. I get the instinctive reaction to want to shame a person for "showing off" by speaking about a subject, but it's not the case here.

It's ironic that such a person doing this - insulting a cool kid for being intelligent - would be a Faggot, we would have said, because he was engaging in Faggotry in the technical sense; to sneakily abuse another boy for his own self-aggrandizement.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 14:28:50 2022 No.21017376 File: 207 KB, 327x316, 2ec.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21017362

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 14:29:44 2022 No.21017382 >>21017362 your class resentment of people who can speak and think better you has not gone unnoticed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 14:33:19 2022 No.21017388 >>21017382 Class is a spook trannyboy.

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 14:37:07 2022 No.21017400

>>21017343
>No matter how much you try to spin it, liberals are not leftists.
Nigger, american liberals not only describe themselves as leftists, but they come from an unbroken chain of self identified leftists, and at no point a generation has been less leftist than the one before. I think it's fair to call them leftists. To pretend Marxists are the only ones who deserve the label, despite never having any actual political power in the west, is as delusional as mormons calling regular christians heretics.

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 14:37:22 2022 No.21017401

person explains that left and right are false dichotomies / person is attacked; called ESL, then autistic then gay/transgender - such is the strong programming of the left/right devotee

>>21017343
>she (yes, she)
fucking unhelpful, btw

>liberals are not leftists.
He was originally responding to this: >>21017039 he recognized several keywords which switched on his thread-derailment protocol.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 14:42:44 2022 No.21017412 >>21017401 t. /leftypol/ (who are totally not leftist since it's a false dichotomy wink wink) raid so the tranny brought his friends to defend him (yes, him)?

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 14:42:57 2022 No.21017415

>>21017400
>I think it's fair to call them leftists.
Are you going to defend this position that was refuted earlier here: >>21017039 or are you just going to snap back into cognitive dissonance and repeat your claim as if it hadn't been refuted?

>nigger
>nigger
same guy lol

Ok, let's put this another way: how is it 'HELPFUL' to pretend that international finance (or fraud) which uses Liberal talking-points as PR to make their colonialism and explotiation and mismanagement 'seem friendly' are actually genuine Liberals? Isn't it more effective to make the case that they're not and explain why, i.e. colonial exploitation and destruction of home economy, than to keep talking how egalitarian and well-meaning the 'Liberals' are? You're just buying into their propaganda if you've taken their words as being serious. Worse, you're criminalizing yourself under the Hate Crime legislation for no reason.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 14:44:40 2022 No.21017422 >>21017400 >Nigger, american liberals not only describe themselves as leftists, Trannies describe themselves as women. Doesn't mean they are, retard.

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 14:46:00 2022 No.21017424

>>21017412
>/leftypol/
lol so I'm ESL, Autistic, Tranny and now Lefty and POL holyshit

what keywords did I use that made you think any of this? Was it when I pointed out how the 'Colonial Model' of outsourcing labor at the expense of the home economy is identical today under the modern corporation as to the corporation yesterday in the slave days?

The word 'colonial' lol ?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 14:46:06 2022 No.21017425 >>21017415 This is what a liberal arts education does to a motherfucker.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 14:46:19 2022 No.21017427 >>21013626 >>21015713 >>21016223 Nice upvotes, faggots

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 14:50:28 2022 No.21017438 >>21017427 faggot

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 14:51:52 2022 No.21017443 [DELETED]

>>21017425
I'm literally telling you how you can refute the people you're trying to refute and avoid being banned or put in prison when attempting to do it.

God you're so dumb.

C'mon prick, you're making Americans look very stupid that you're attacking someone trying to actually help you here.

reread I said and try again. If you think I'm wrong in any part of it, say it directly and cite it, so we can move forward on this.

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 14:53:05 2022 No.21017444

>>21017425
I'm literally telling you how you can refute the people you're trying to refute and avoid being banned or put in prison when attempting to do it.

God you're so dumb.

C'mon prick, you're making Americans look very stupid that you're attacking someone trying to actually help you here; reread what I said and try again. If you think I'm wrong in any part of it, say it directly and cite it, so we can move forward on this:

how is it 'HELPFUL' to pretend that international finance (or fraud) which uses Liberal talking-points as PR to make their colonialism and explotiation and mismanagement 'seem friendly' are actually genuine Liberals? Isn't it more effective to make the case that they're not and explain why, i.e. colonial exploitation and destruction of home economy, than to keep talking how egalitarian and well-meaning the 'Liberals' are? You're just buying into their propaganda if you've taken their words as being serious. Worse, you're criminalizing yourself under the Hate Crime legislation for no reason.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 14:56:02 2022 No.21017452 >>21016887 >>21016852 >leftism is when you defeat le monarchy! Holy retard. There are no true monarchies around anymore. Leftism has meant Communism since fucking ages. Your view fo what constitutes leftism is archaic.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 15:06:57 2022 No.21017486 >>21013620 spbp

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 15:10:10 2022 No.21017499 File: 54 KB, 735x685, 24633a75bd4c6ad2ab0c1a6569bc7223.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21017438 >No you

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 15:11:47 2022 No.21017505 what if Turner fought V? Who would win?

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 15:15:13 2022 No.21017520

>>21013647

it wont because like any amerifat you believe history started in 1945. The reality is that this liberal elite has been in charge since 1649 and their Commonwealth, and their mores have not changed one bit since then.

breaking news:
-it is the bourgeois revolutionaries who created classical liberalism, in order to promote a society based on commerce and atheism by killing kings and priests
-it is the bourgeois revolutionaries who created new liberalism, in order to promote a society based on commerce and atheism by killing kings and priests

isnt it weird normies cant see the same people created the two political poles that normies fight for?

And guess what:classical liberalism started 3 CENTURIES AGO. NOT DECADES, FUCKING CENTURIES.
democratic republics were build by the bourgeois revolutionaries precisely to have a confluence between merchants (in finance and entertainment) and bureaucrats, ie they are both members of the bourgeois caste.
the dichotomy classical-new liberalism is completely fake in the first place. historically,
-rightists= monarchists
-leftists = republicans
guess what happens to the right when there is no more king because the bourgeois killed him. the answer is that the right becomes the left and there is only the choice between bourgeois and bourgeois lol and the bourgeois revolution is achieved whose only goal was dodging monarchist taxes........hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
it's like the ''''''''''''''''''''american people'''''''''''''''''''''' was a just gimmick to seize power and create a society based on global mercantilism...
rebels without a cause...
when you don't have enough problems in your life,
you latch on to any sort of issue you can think of,
just in order to feel fulfilled and respectable
It's sad...I see it a lot in my former group of classmates from a sheltered, private, catholic highschool where only the elite kids went...
99% of them have gone full SJW ''fight for the refugees/immigrants/(current cause)'', it's crazy...
None of them have actually achieved anything of their own doing. The only one that sort of made it won a grammy, but did it piggybacking on a SJW feminist/BLM subject matter in their piece, meanwhile that person is Jewish and her parents into local politics, her mother was on city council.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 15:16:15 2022 No.21017526 >>21017505 atheist fights is just a cripple fight. only the bystanders win by laughing at them

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 15:20:31 2022 No.21017542

>>21017452
>There are no true monarchies around anymore. Leftism has meant Communism since fucking ages.
I think that was the sticking point,
I mentioned that really when looking at each strata within the old european societies it was only the Monarchy (and the Lords; on behalf of the working people) who had any direct interest in developing their nation; building canals and rails and setting up land for agricultural production, mining and so on. In a way, if we really want to keep using Left/Right dichotomies, the hereditary landowner, due to his own interest in long-term secure prosperity and happy workers who aren't rioting under mismanagement and poverty, is the closest to "Left Wing: For the People" by contrast to anybody else. This is a complete paradox of the Marxist position where the 'King' is conflated with the stratas below him, as if every evil or stupid thing the loanshark does is dictated to him to do by the King. It's just a conflation of its own time, when the Monarchies were presented as being in complete control.

One only needs to look at the problems George III had in trying to remedy the damage done by the companies in his day to realize that the Monarch wasn't in 'complete control' of anything as far back as the 1700's.

My point was that the L/R terms are useless as using them doesn't go anywhere near the actual causes of the effects that are complained about or which motivate the interest of a person into the subject. When the reality of the situation is put through the L/R sausage machine it just mangles it all up into vague unrelated ideological positions; as if this is how people actually operate.

Also,
Read Stalin vs.HG Wells on the subject of "capitalism as anarchism" as to the effects of out-of-control business; facebook and twitter policy violating the 1st Amendment of their home state (free speech) and 'the government' being powerless to stop it is a prime example of anarchy; if material devastation and rampant currency debasement isn't more obvious.

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 15:21:52 2022 No.21017549

>>21017415
>Liberal talking-points as PR
This is bullshit. If they really cared about PR they wouldn't go out of their why to villanize men and white people. But even if they were only doing it for PR, which again is unlikely, these kind of stunts are only sympathetic to self described leftists, so why not put all of them in the same box and brand it with the name they chose themselves? Statistically even most of the "I am not a liberal, I am real leftist" Berniebros ended up voting for Biden, so calling that whole lot that goes from Vaush simps to Larry Fink leftists is perfectly useful. They are in an open alliance after all.

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 15:22:55 2022 No.21017555

>>21017505
Turner would only fight V if he thought V was a Jew.

Haaaaa actually that would be a funny story; V as the establishment proxy warrior against Turner, giving publicized speeches about fighting tyranny and then V comes home to his apartment and rips off his mask to pour himself a scotch and finds Turners gang waiting for him with pistols.

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 15:34:18 2022 No.21017602

>>21017452
>Leftism has meant Communism since fucking ages
This is only true for theorycels, and only because they have been gaslighted by their cult to believe so. Communism has been mostly irrelevant in the west. When most Americans hear the word leftism they think of the democrat party.
>There are no true monarchies around anymore
The point is that the "right" should realize that conservatism has lost every single battle against the left, with no exception, to the point that nowadays you are seen as far right for having the same beliefs of a moderate leftist from 30 years ago, so maybe it's time for the right to go back to our antidemocratic roots. Unlike conservatives, reactionaries do have a few victories.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 15:41:48 2022 No.21017636 >>21016887 >>21016986 >>21016852 >hurr durr I disregard academic usage of political labels and substitute in my own >therefore you're dumb

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 15:44:08 2022 No.21017646

>>21017549
>to villanize men and white people
Of course they would; in the West this is a by far majority population so 'any' efforts to coerce the public would be directed against that majority. This is like saying the North Korean propaganda is explicitly anti North Korean - kinda maybe, but it's because that's the majority demographic that every hostile government (or media) is going to be targeting them.

>But even if they were only doing it for PR, which again is unlikely, these kind of stunts are only sympathetic to self described leftists,
Well it's a dead simple thing I described; if a person is guilty of using slave labor and on't want to stop using it, for instance, then the first thing out of their mouth will be about how they don't use slave labor - how the slave labor is 'actually' not slave labor at all but something very good and moral to help the third world by moving jobs there.

Any critique can be recast as irrational racism to make the critique seem unpleasant and the true cause of the effect of the complainant is blanked out; e.g. the people are angry at losing their jobs to cheap labor or actual slave labor, their complaints are framed as "hating foreign people for having a different skin tone", the actual cause (economic job loss) of the effect (the reason why people are angry) is just ignored.

Also the Tariff thing I mentioned is, in my opinion,he reason the governments got sold on doing things this way; if a state is self-sufficient and doesn't need to rely on importing its food or clothes or goods from overseas then the central government can't make trillions from taxing the incoming international imports.

Why shouldn't I just shrug and say "they're liberals/leftists, as they claim to be," because they're not. It's a thin veneer of fake liberalism which we see in our countries, whilst overseas in many cases the work is going on under extremely brutal conditions with no democracy to speak of; with the American company there on the ground.

Obviously, then this is true: "Liberal talking-points as PR"

> Statistically even most of the "I am not a liberal, I am real leftist" Berniebros ended up voting for Biden
Yeah this is true. Still, the politics is an obvious scam; nobody elected into any office is about to pass legislation against outsourcing on that scale, I don't think very much of the 'leftists' anyway because they don't make these arguments at all and focus on nonsense instead,which is hilariously stupid to the observer and is probably designed to be so that people don't take criticism of "colonialism" or "oppression" seriously.

But whether there's any consciousness of all of that going on in their heads I don't know. I can tell you what they're going to do and the main reason why they're going to do it, I don't know or care to know whatever Tolkeinesque escapist fantasy is going on in their heads as they do it - you know, I mean the shit they tell themselves to drag themselves out of bed in the morning.

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 15:46:29 2022 No.21017657

>>21017602
>When most Americans hear the word leftism they think of the democrat party.
The terms leftwing and rightwing are not fossilized in the French Revolution. They change according to different contexts. Back then it was monarchist vs republicans, then in the early 20th century was communists vs capitalists, today in America it's light democratic socialism vs corpo-conservatism.
>There are no true monarchies around anymore
>Unlike conservatives, reactionaries do have a few victories.
I love Islam because it's literally the answer against modern faggotry (at least in Europe) but retarded Neo-conservatives hate it because le Middle Easterners reeeee (not realizing that this is a good thing, an extra shield against leftists)

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 15:47:07 2022 No.21017663 >>21017636 You're obviously not from here if you're sucking off academia. Lurk moar or go back.

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 15:51:10 2022 No.21017680

>>21017555
>TURNER VS. V
I'm going to write to Harvey Weinstein with a script suggestion for this for when he gets out of prison.

alt past where communist soviet union never fell
evil repressive american government
anti-heroes are the nazi underground

Turner helps a black woman with her groceries one day to prove he's not really a racist to appease the censors in our real timeline

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 15:53:14 2022 No.21017693

>>21017657
>today in America it's light democratic socialism vs corpo-conservatism.
yeah, problem here is that both are identical.

One man or woman appears in the Republican party or the Democrat party as a grassroots pinyata every eight years or so and is bukkake'd in the press until they leave office.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 15:56:59 2022 No.21017714 >>21017657 >today in America it's light democratic socialism vs corpo-conservatism That's Right vs Right tho. I don't know of a single social democrat country where the workers own the means of production.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 15:58:33 2022 No.21017722 >>21017663 Lol newfag this is my board. Hit me up when you've graduated or have made it through your anti-intellectual phase

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 16:05:36 2022 No.21017759 >>21017714 Did you vote in the last elections? For whom did you vote?

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 16:06:44 2022 No.21017765

>>21017714
>country where the workers own the means of production.
you mean Nationalized Production, you mean? That'd be .. Nationalized Production. Like most things were in our countries; well, my country anyway.

The way I look at it is that we pay our taxes to the biggest and only legit corporation and we're able to get onto the board of directors; this is The Government and that is what The Government is, it's why we pay taxes in the first place.

Arguments about socialism and communism aside, the effective and only real proven-true way of "workers owning production" is basic Civic Nationalism; examples of this are public buses, public trains, public fire, police, emergency services, hospitals, etc. With the tax payer as the shareholder.

Even the mega projects of the last century only came about in America when The Government understood what its job was, Roosevelts government, and build all the interstate roads. It's been a long dull and painful walking back of government; selling out public property to private companies, something which they had no right to do.

But tell this to a Marxist and they'll laugh and demand utopia and ignore the great good things that the government model was actually capable of doing, with an informed and intelligent electorate guiding it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 16:09:22 2022 No.21017775 >>21017765 >Civic Nationalism t. fellow white people

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 16:10:48 2022 No.21017781

>>21017722
If a 'label' is a misnomer and if it changes to mean radically different things each year, then,
1) it means nothing tangible today
2) it means nothing tangible tomorrow
3) any arguments built on it today may seem as if they're arguing for the exact opposite tomorrow: lending your argument to a thing you hate

i.e. unreliable and useless labels

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 16:12:25 2022 No.21017788 >>21017775 only by the lawful definition of what a nation is and why we pay taxes - if people want to disagree with that then they're arguing against the law. this is why it's good to be well-educated.

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 16:12:50 2022 No.21017791

>>21017759
I voted for Bernie in the primaries and begrudgingly for Biden in the general elections, but that doesn't mean I'm his supporter. As a matter of fact, I'm one of his biggest critics and I don't shy from it, even if I have plenty libshit friends. He just was the lesser evil, so I had to vote for him.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 16:13:55 2022 No.21017798 >>21017765 >public buses, public trains, public fire, police, emergency services, hospitals, etc. With the tax payer as the shareholder. Do you understand why this isn't possible in America, right?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 16:15:16 2022 No.21017802 >>21017765 >you mean Nationalized Production, you mean? Nationalizing the means of production would be a good first step, but ultimately the means of production should belong directly to the workers.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 16:19:25 2022 No.21017825 File: 25 KB, 496x600, pol pot keep you angkar.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21016825 >left-wing terrorist media >Terrorist fights for democide.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 16:39:04 2022 No.21017875 >>21017323 >elderly neocons hobble inside the capital building. lives are ruined >Jewish lefty conspires to bomb government buildings and arm black militia groups. prison sentence is commuted, becomes a professor/activist

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 16:43:04 2022 No.21017886 >>21017875 >becomes a professor/activist She was unironically behind the finances of BLM, which didn't even pretend to be non-for-profit, so they didn't have to explain to anyone what they did with the money from donations.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 16:49:43 2022 No.21017904 >>21016846 Bourgeois art is gay

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 16:55:50 2022 No.21017922 >>21017263 Muh it's not real liberalism

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 16:57:30 2022 No.21017928 >>21017904 Historically false.

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 16:57:43 2022 No.21017930

>>21016825
Terrorists or guerrilla fighters don’t commit genocide. The state does that.
Terrorists are sometimes defined as those who kill civilian/non-combatants, but since Naziis/fascism we now have state supported terrorists.

Now some rightwingoids are going to cry gulags are the same thing, again I feel I must point out that the USSR was a state and the “gulag” was a prison, so not commensurate with pogroms and genocidal moves. Calling killer cops terrorists is understandable but not officially what they are.
They’re fascist pigs

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 16:59:39 2022 No.21017934
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>>21017791
>I voted for Bernie in the primaries and begrudgingly for Biden in the general elections, but that doesn't mean I'm his supporter...He just was the lesser evil, so I had to vote for him.
lo
lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 17:00:38 2022 No.21017939 >>21017928 Apart from proust I don't see who

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 17:00:51 2022 No.21017940

>>21017798
I've got no idea.

What is the current excuse for the profligacy in management and revenue intakes that has America being the highest taxed and still the only first world nation on the planet to have not managed to provide free (or even partly subsidized) healthcare? Obviously the money is coming into the government in record amounts but the what is spent on hospitals everywhere doesn't seem to be making its way back into the society. Again: this being the point of taxes to pay for things like this.

And also what 'good' argument is there for a for-profit healthcare system if the financial incentive can be understood implicitly to 'not' speedily treat and discharge a patient?

>>21017802
>ultimately the means of production should belong directly to the workers.
The citizen is the worker; so that part of the equation was/is already fulfilled.

Noticeably this did 'not' exist when Marx was writing, but it later did - and still does exist (in most parts of the world). So the Marxist complaint on these grounds is redundant.

If anything, 'this' democratic aspect of operations in the workplace is what the privatization is set against: the parachuting in soppy graduates who mismanage the company and make services worse and costs increase; or the replacement of long-term competent employees with a revolving door of clueless temps is the way to make sure that workers rights on that level can't begin to take shape.

I mean, now that I think about it, the gig economy we're starting to get over here is exactly the framework of operations (bare minimum work being done) that occurs when the National is replaced with the Private; one has a framework of competent production as being subsidized it isn't eagerly seeking to cut services to increase profits, and the other has a framework driven entirely by profit until it collapses.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 17:02:58 2022 No.21017944 >>21017791 Voting for any of them is a waste of time and legitimizing evil. They’re both evil. The alternative is organizing locally to subvert their illegitimate state. A heavy burden, but not if we organize enough.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 17:08:40 2022 No.21017963 >>21017940 >I've got no idea. Take a look at each demographic and see how much money each takes and how much each contributes.

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 17:17:11 2022 No.21017997

>>21017963
>and see how much money each takes and how much each contributes.
Oh sure, but everywhere else has been able to afford this. England from Day 1 of the NHS in the 1950's had opened its doors and provided free dental and everything else to the citizens of every commonwealth nation. It's an expense, but the taxes more than covered it.

I think there's a big misunderstanding of what 'tax' even is; it's not a tribute that you pay to a mob boss to stop him burning your house down, it's more like a community bank. A tax for this, this and this. If a country is raking in massive taxes (on purchases even), which everywhere is since the 1900's when a hundred new taxes came into being, and if that money is not going back into the society then you're looking at the financial crime called Embezzlement:

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Anonymous Tue Sep 20 17:21:46 2022 No.21018014

>>21017963
ed.
Taxes on purchases is probably the biggest area to understand how much money is being taken by the government all the time for no purpose,

the cost of a bottle of coca cola in Kashmir is pennies, for instance, but when it hits our markets it's amplified 100x and all of that is tax.

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 17:32:08 2022 No.21018050
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>>21017765
>Even the mega projects of the last century only came about in America when The Government understood what its job was ... But tell this to a Marxist and they'll laugh and demand utopia and ignore the great good things that the government model was actually capable of doing, with an informed and intelligent electorate guiding it.
That wasn't an accident. The period you're describing was when communism was perceived as a serious threat both globally and domestically. That doesn't mean Roosevelt's government was "communist" but they figured they had to take some of the steam out of it and also win control over the labor movement, in which communists were quite strong and where labor strikes were happening all the time, and basically create a deal between labor and capital to balance out the extreme income and wealth inequality of the previous period. (And most of the good books about the history of this period were written by Marxists or at least historians sympathetic to it.)

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 17:38:53 2022 No.21018069

>>21018050
>create a deal between labor and capital to balance out the extreme income and wealth inequality of the previous period.
Yes, exactly, they understood it and they were doing the correct thing!

This dynamic of noticing a problem and remedying it doesn't suddenly stop; if a government gets it right the result is a good society, that's why the rolling back of these things makes no fucking sense - as the causes of the bad effects will come back into being as soon as the remedy of those causes is taken away.

Most people, I mean, don't want to spend their evenings in a union hall arguing about things or rioting in the streets; not by choice, but they 'will' if they're pushed into a corner by bad management. Resolving bad management, then, is the solution to a rioting society, then by proxy you've got a nice and happy society. Even if your the most slippery bad boss in the world it's ultimately in your own interest to be the very very considerate and kind boss, if you want to stay in charge. Only morons in charge of things don't understand this.

uh anyway, I'm being a realist about this.

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 17:52:48 2022 No.21018123
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>>21015398
Alan Moore is an anarchist (which I think has some surface similarities to right-wing reaction in its individualism). Also I thought Guy Fawkes was a middle-class tradcath convert who wanted to restore Papal authority but some Brit has to educate me on that.

Also it's probably not a coincidence the Ron Paul crowd would like to wear Guy Fawkes masks.

>>21017260
The problem anyone trying to organize labor faces today in a country like the U.S. is that the biggest sector of low-wage employment is in services in both urban and rural areas. There are more Arby's employees than coal miners nowadays and these jobs are disproportionately comprised of women and non-white people relative to the population as a whole, so the idea that "the working class" is a cohesive and white nationalist / socially conservative thing doesn't reflect material reality. It's very diverse in all kinds of ways.

White nationalists reacts to the WEF saying "you will own nothing and be happy" because that's basically the monopoly (finance) capitalists telling you that you're about to be proletarianized. Because that's what a proletarian is: someone who owns nothing other than their labor power, are dependent on their employers and indebted to rentiers and landlords, and are expected to be happy and to do the wagie-in-a-cagie dance. Much like a slave. But that was the condition of the black slaves who owned nothing and were expected to act like they enjoyed it and to dance for their white masters.

And if you were white, that wasn't you. You were born free. You're an independent proprietor! (Or planning to be.) I own my own business! But overall it seems that these people need to be re-proletarianized to make up for a long-term (decades long) secular downward trend in the rate of profit that can be even observed in IMF reports if you read them closely. And the middle-class white reactionary base for that doesn't want that to happen, so they want some messiah like Trump to save them. "Save us, Trump!" But he's a false prophet, and I think their kids are basically doomed to wind up in food service and Amazon warehouses instead of becoming astronauts or race car drivers or bikini judges. Because that's necessary to continue wringing enough profits to kick the can down the road a little further so the fat cats can continue being fat cats.

But for all practical purposes, what bonds people together on that basis is primarily material interest, not ideology. That's true for the fat cats, and they realize it. Everybody else has a hard time realizing it. A communist friend of mine who organizes in his union tells me the other guy who is most gung-ho about it has 1776 tattoos and wears shirts like that and this is in the conservative South. So it's true for the working class too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 18:03:40 2022 No.21018174 >>21018123 >A communist friend of mine

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 18:05:38 2022 No.21018185

>>21018123
>But for all practical purposes, what bonds people together on that basis is primarily material interest, not ideology. That's true for the fat cats, and they realize it. Everybody else has a hard time realizing it. A communist friend of mine who organizes in his union tells me the other guy who is most gung-ho about it has 1776 tattoos and wears shirts like that and this is in the conservative South. So it's true for the working class too.
elaborate for non-Americans

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 18:20:00 2022 No.21018247

>>21017287
>predatory slavery and mismanagement of production
The issue is that the forces formerly aligned with capitalists are realizing that they are now being thrown out with the bathwater as capitalism morphs into globalism. People like nationalists, the religious, racists etc. are waking up to the fact that their alliance with bourgeoisie was only one of historical convenience rather than necessary association. It isn't entirely fair to say that we were hoodwinked entirely due to our own stupidity; Leftists have written volumes on how capitalist culture is inherently racist, sexist, repressive blah blah blah. All that made us think that capitalists were our friends too. This is why I will keep blabbering about how the great decoupling of conservatism from market economics is inevitable because now they don't even put on the pretense of caring about our culture. For an extreme example, some black lefty in the 1800s (du bois or booker t maybe?) said that Communism would fail in America because whites were compensated for their loyalty to Capitalism by the Capitalists upholding white supremacy. Now rich liberals laugh about people complaining that their jerbs were taken or that there are minorities and gays in advertisements.

I suppose a Marxist will just see this as an attempt to reverse conditions back to a feudal or industrial state for their aesthetic value and oppose it on those grounds, but there's an unbridgeable gulf between our basic premises so we were never going to be friends anyways. We are making an attempt to poach people on the left though, and to retool their critiques of liberalism for our own use.

>it's not "liberalism" that comes out when these people do their virtue signalling and platitudes, it's merely PR to present their colonial model out-sourcing to slave labor and their rent collection (at the expense of production, mind you) as being 'nice' - OR you could say it's their own conscious guilt of their way of life; their actual deeds, which has them jump up and proclaim to be anti-colonial before anybody even connected them 'to' colonial methods.
I think you're painting these people unfairly or just defending their stated values. Many of them really do believe that the market, in their hands, can only be a source for progress and goodness. Surely you've had liberals flood you with their graphs of GDP growth, declining death rates, declining religiosity, increasing participation of women in the labor force, declining poverty, declining hunger and so on and so forth. These people aren't cynical neo-imperialists, by all accounts they're true believers that "human freedom" is best realized in the economic sphere through the market. When they think Communism they think gulag, anachronism, no free speech, repression, Vladimir Nabokov in exile etc. There's a growing trend of rehabilitating Capitalism on the left by recognizing its role in emancipating minorities, women, stopping wars through free trade and such anyways

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 20:06:44 2022 No.21018670 >>21016758 Based

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 20:08:17 2022 No.21018675 >>21016852 >Thinking "merchant class" is synonymous with "working class" ngmi

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 20:08:17 2022 No.21018674 >>21017791 >begrudgingly for Biden in the general elections LMAO JUST FUCKING KEK

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 20:10:18 2022 No.21018683

>>21013647
>"NOOO, you don't understand, the globalization of markets and the supreme focus on the ability for capital to move anywhere in the world at any time is because of EVIL LEFTISTS and is definitely not the natural course of right wing conservative capitalism!"

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 20:21:58 2022 No.21018718 >>21016860 Don’t you have a driving course to attend?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 20:36:03 2022 No.21018760 File: 43 KB, 623x435, 03190297-5172-4347-B8CE-0E507FFD25A7.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why are there never any third positionist or Georgist terrorists? I’m tired of chuds and commies monopolizing the violent terrorist market.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 20:53:20 2022 No.21018821 >>21018760 >blows building up “both sides are bad”

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 21:04:13 2022 No.21018858

Leftism IS when the merchant class kicks out the knights and the king. Left and right comes literally (literally, as in, it is written down), from where you sat at the parliament, to the left or to the right of the monarch. Leftists wanted cash to be your only God, right wingers wanted an order with a bit more rules than just cash.

This brings me to the [current year]. I want to argue that corporations are communism, and also extremely leftist. Listen, you can own means of production (corporations) by simply buying them on the stock exchanges. This is literally the system. These corporations are collectively owned and centrally planned monopolies. This is a definition of leftist economy. Collectively owned, centrally planned monopolies. Well this is what modern corporations are. Our """capitalist"""" corporations exist thanks to government contracts and tax subsidies, when the fuck did you buy something from facebook or google or any of these things that could be comfortably called 'the people's/national bureau/department of [...]'?

Right wing market economy is when you do not have big business and corporations. Big business and corporations can only exist thanks to regulations, taxes (and subsidies, govt contracts), red tape, licences, fees, and other mechanisms that exclude YOU (yes you, you reading this) while allowing them to monopolize both supply and demand.
These corporations arent a thing because they are good or efficient or competitive, they are a thing because they are government backed, government enabled, government departments. CORPORATIONS ARE THE GOVERNMENT!
We already live in collectively owned government hypermonopoly. Our economy is soviet as all fucking hell. Go open a lemonade stand fellow comrade, the people's department of cocacola will gulag you in 2 nanoseconds. You can ONLY be an exploited wagie at one of the government's departments larping as corporations.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 21:06:16 2022 No.21018869 >>21018858 Has to be bait.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 21:10:57 2022 No.21018896 >>21018858 First paragraph is fully redpilled, how did the next two turn into lolbert real capitalism has never been tried nonsense. Hint: monopolizing and using the state as a bludgeon is fully rational if you are part of the ownership class

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 21:14:08 2022 No.21018910 >>21018683 Cope leftoid, we all know you support international capitalism because it puts brown people in your country. In the final analysis you will shut up and vote for dark brandon every 4 years and you will be happy

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 21:16:01 2022 No.21018922

>>21018869
Corporations are communism.
>collectively owned
>centrally planned
>monopolistic
>are practically the government
We live in the leftist dystopia you retards preach.

>>21018896
Reply to this post and I will write out why I think 'lolbert nonsense', I have very few fundamental concepts that are extremely simple but it will take me character limit post to explain how they manifest into what we are living today.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 21:16:41 2022 No.21018928 >>21018922 >collectively owned Yea, by the rich and powerful.

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 21:29:54 2022 No.21018988

>>21018928
Nothing prevents you from buying stocks instead of gucci lattes and humanities degree mill paper. Your average leftist can go 6 digits in debt to buy stocks instead of 6 digits in debt to buy underwater feminism furniture degrees. They call this the finance industry, its the biggest industry these days. And its egalitarian. Everyone can buy equal stocks. Everyone can sell them. Everyone can get loans. Its egalitarian as fuck. A mere hint of discrimination and your stock drops 1000 points and you get virtual gulaged, shadow banned, fired, cancelled, etc etc. You get all the buzzwords. Hence why they all have gay dildos and rainbow colors as their logos.

You are simply extremely bad at this leftism thing if you are still poor.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 21:40:41 2022 No.21019037 >>21018988 >Your average leftist can go 6 digits in debt to buy stocks instead of 6 digits in debt to buy underwater feminism furniture degrees Can you lend me $100,000 to short Arbys?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 21:43:49 2022 No.21019048 >>21018988 >everyone who can afford it can buy stocks, that means we live in communism tell me this is bait kek

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 21:46:34 2022 No.21019058

>>21018922
That’s not communism. Centrally planned is statist, and part and parcel to capitalism and state socialism. Nothing to do with communism.
>collectively owned/monopolistic
Contradiction in terms. And of course corporations aren’t collectively owned. We’re talking about those who work the corporation. Mondragon is collectively owned.
>practically the government
The oligarchy do own you and the land you live on, and the energy you use.
Under actual communism there’s a collective body governing their regions. You can choose to participate in one or skip out on them all and live on the periphery

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 21:46:54 2022 No.21019060 >>21018988 btw are you that retard from /tv/? I seem to remember someone arguing equally as retarded claims over there

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 21:53:00 2022 No.21019076 Dishonest OP. False equivalence. Your shit book calls for genocide of non Whites and political opponents.

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 21:54:32 2022 No.21019081

>>21019037
Sure thing, show me the fundamentals and market analysis, tell me what's in it for me and I might agree.

>>21019048
Not my fault that instead of owning the means of production, average leftoid prefers to own felonies, face tattoos, gucci lattes, humanities degrees, spends whole 20ies being unmarketable, unskilled and unemployable, and then cries on twitter 20 hours a day how "cAPItaLisM haS fAILEd"

>>21019058
Corporations are by definition public. The public owns them if they are listed on any stock exchange. These are the literal fucking definitions.

Market economy is when you do not have to pay any taxes, licences, fees, red tapes, arent governed by a trillion government bureaus, departments or agencies. We clearly do not live in capitalism. We are completely ruled by these collectively owned government monopolies.

>>21019060
No, watching tv is for absolute total subhumans.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 22:01:47 2022 No.21019109 >>21019081 >The public owns them if they are listed on any stock exchange. So the public doesn't own them UNLESS they can afford shares with CAPITAL and that's somehow communism? lmao nice trolling

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 22:11:53 2022 No.21019156

>>21019109
>noo!!!! these public, centrally planned, collectively owned monopolies (corporations) SUCK!
>if we had communism, we would have public, centrally planned, collectively owned monopolies but this time I would be the central planner, ME, ME, I would totally be in charge!!!
sure thing buddy
the first thing you commies do after your revolution is canibalize 90% of your party
stalin killed 90% of the people who helped him get into power, so did mao, so do all leftists

maybe we need another communist revolution, it would kill off half of the communists in our society and gulag the rest

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 22:12:11 2022 No.21019159

>>21018988
They hate you cause you're telling them the true. All these /lit/cels have no problem getting thousands of dollars in debt, but they can't even research the markets a bit? I unironically became a millionaire trading shitcoins. Even after losing like half of my portfolio last time BTC went to shit, I'm still rich. But these retards prefer to weep about capitalism instead.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 22:15:18 2022 No.21019174 >>21019156 I'm not a commie, nigger. But to claim we live in communism because we can BUY shit is unironically the most retarded shit I've ever read on this board.

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 22:25:41 2022 No.21019204

>>21019174
>soviet style bureaus, agencies and government departments control everything
>your money is fake
>you lose 50% of your income on day 1 to rent, other 50% to taxes
>"""corporations""" that do not sell anything on any market and are propped by governments larp as market economy
You CANT buy shit, nigger. You can consoom your goyslop rations, which were centrally planned how much you can consoom.

Cowboys had capitalism. They could just go and buy dynamite. Dig for gold on their own. Zero fucks given. Go snare a wild cow, whole fucking cow, 2 dollars, 2 fucking gold dollars, that was the price for an entire cow back in capitalism. You have NEVER lived in a capitalism. You cant buy dynamite. You cant buy shit. You can lease land for 40 years, that's your best bet, but YOU CANT BUY SHIT. YOU CANT BUY SHIT BECAUSE WE DONT HAVE CAPITALISM

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 22:26:05 2022 No.21019208

>>21018922
You're unironically right. Capitalism has been subverted by the same people who where behind communism. Their original plan was to hijack our government to control our economy, like the did in the soviet union, but since that didn't work, they did the opposite instead and hijacked our economy to control our government. The end result is the same.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 22:27:48 2022 No.21019214 File: 145 KB, 500x623, 456456645654.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21019208 >jews win in every game thanks to their brains >EVERY GAME IS RIGGED REEEEEEE

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 22:31:22 2022 No.21019232 >>21019204 >government departments control everything So not Communism. By definition there is no government in Communism.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 22:32:40 2022 No.21019239 >>21019214 >jews win stopped reading there, they got expelled out of 300 countries throughout history because history is antisemitic or whatever remember, antisemite is someone who jews hate, not someone who hates jews

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 22:36:44 2022 No.21019262 >>21019204 >Go snare a wild cow That was never a thing in America and cattle rustling would get you killed.

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 22:50:36 2022 No.21019312

>>21019214
In my country we don't have many jews, so they don't own the media, and the progressive crowd just lost last elections in a historical trashing. Even criminals in jail voted against them. It made me realize Moldbug is wrong about the jews. They truly are the problem in America. He's right that academics and journalists will instinctively push for wokeness, because in my country they do it too, but that's not enough for the cathedral to become powerful. They are harmless if they don't have the jews buying the media for them to spread their message. Journalists can be as woke as they want on twitter, but it's meaningless if they have to bite their tongue on tv. Americans laugh at Fox News, but ironically it's the only news channel that works as it should, for profit.

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 22:50:45 2022 No.21019313

>>21019214
Jews somehow end up under the bus every time though
>Whole medieval history
>USSR
>Germany
What can possibly go wrong with current situation? It looks so cool.

If jews are so smart, why do they learn nothing and keep ending up under the bus after doing bidding of malicious parties for short term gain?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 22:52:31 2022 No.21019321 >>21019313 Because they are evil. Some are good though.

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 22:54:03 2022 No.21019329

>>21018247
>The issue is that the forces formerly aligned with capitalists are realizing that they are now being thrown out (in favor of globalism)
Again, the problem with this take is that you presume there is some class or cabal running everything; it's just anarchy; a supreme absence of oversight, the constant failure in every endeavor and grossly stupid policies are the more obvious giveaways.

> the forces formerly aligned with capitalists
what? who is this? 'capitalism' isn't some historical 'thing', it's relatively recent, the case is easily made of how it works 'against' prosperity and production (value of goods increase in scarcity; no incentive to produce, monetary debasement and inflation due to worthless stock and property being valued at trillions, etc.) big mess.

More likely it's the consequence of several generations being very stupid and refusing to or being unable to undo the mistakes done by the lot before them - more likely this than to make out that every fuck-up was "by design", as if the inept retards who scammed their way into office are doing some kind of 'genius' thing.

With the Roosevelt example earlier, one single generation built the America that's inherited today, and the subsequent generations are cognitively and culturally incapable of even maintaining the power lines or the roads through pure stupidity.

>Many of them really do believe that the market, in their hands, can only be a source for progress and goodness.
It reminds me of religious apologetics; they do not know how the food reaches the table, they are not intelligent, so whatever ideology goes into their heads fills the gap.

I've thought for a long time that people like that could be put into a box and told that pulling a lever will make them popular or save the world, and they'll just stay there doing it forever. There's no connection to reality with that type of person, is what I'm getting at. It's disconnection from the reality on the ground to such a degree that their opinions or roles in anything (these supposedly important people) can be completely ignored, I think. It's the echo chamber problem; they're responding to nonsense.

>e true believers that "human freedom" is best realized in the economic sphere through the market.
No, this is revealed as their own lies or expressions of guilt by simply looking at their domestic and foreign policies.

Although the 'neo-liberal' model; outsourcing all production overseas to create dependency, only really came about during the Clinton administration. I'm sure people prior to that point would have considered doing (this stuff) to be completely and obviously predictable in the consequence; the results would destroy the home economy the moment the production was shipped overseas.

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 22:58:56 2022 No.21019349

>>21013609
Antifas literally exist to attack nationalist answers to the big banking, big pharma and big tech problem.
If you have an antifa friend you should consider murdering him and making it look like an accident.
They are the trash of the system that defend it to death, to add insult to injury, while larping as antisystem warriors.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 23:00:38 2022 No.21019354 >>21013782 So you've never read them either, then

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 23:03:36 2022 No.21019363

>>21018247
>There's a growing trend of rehabilitating Capitalism on the left by recognizing its role in emancipating minorities, women, stopping wars through free trade and such anyways
Unfortunately all of this will be ignored. By me anyway lol but in the future; the moment they introduced massive censorship in our society the public discourse ceased to be. It's like the soviet union pravda, nobody can take it seriously and great effort and expense goes into trumpeting the narrative 24/7, lest reality snaps back into the consciousness.

Personally, I think that a blackout or powergrid failure that stops the TV News for a few weeks would see most problems being resolved by ordinary neighborhoods. The return of The News would be like dragging people back to medieval times after that point.

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 23:17:18 2022 No.21019403

>>21018247
>>21019329
>>e true believers that "human freedom" is best realized in the economic sphere through the market.
>No, this is revealed as their own lies or expressions of guilt by simply looking at their domestic and foreign policies.

I mean: when a person whose entire sense of status and personal income is derived from slave labor TODAY stands up and says how bad slavery was TWO HUNDRED YEARS ago it's not only an abusive and insane remark on their part; given their proactive role in slavery today, but it's also a comment on their on conscious and knowing guilt of this, not as if it's some kind of mistake or wishful thinking theyre expressing. It's deeply cynical and not even really very complicated, considering a small child is likely to say the same thing if they're guilty of something. It takes no brains, I mean.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 23:26:40 2022 No.21019437 >>21013647 What's a left-wing economic system, lol, wasn't aware factories vote

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 20 23:34:32 2022 No.21019466 >>21013620 based

Anonymous Tue Sep 20 23:47:06 2022 No.21019511

>>21019204
>YOU CANT BUY SHIT. YOU CANT BUY SHIT BECAUSE WE DONT HAVE CAPITALISM
It's amazing how people managed to purchase things before currency speculation was legalized. It's amazing to think, also, how currency speculation went for all of known history without being recognized as the main intermediary between buyer and purchaser.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 21 07:46:36 2022 No.21021068 >>21013620 Spbp

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 21 07:59:49 2022 No.21021101 >>21021068 stop simping for the spbp the Sunderland Pakistani Boys Pride

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 21 08:14:02 2022 No.21021141 >>21013620 not an argument

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 21 11:46:07 2022 No.21021553 File: 10 KB, 225x225, 51688341.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21013609 >Artists use lies to tell the truth A real work of art, the book as well as the movie.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 21 12:31:14 2022 No.21021669 File: 145 KB, 1200x795, BN-UK886_31EF7_OR_20170726102606.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21013637 >capitalist

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 21 15:15:13 2022 No.21022171 >>21019349 Based

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 21 15:54:57 2022 No.21022360 >>21013609 >Just burger things Fuck off to /pol/ if you want to cry about muh left/right Move to a better country if you're so concerned about people banning things. It's in vogue in failed state banana republics

Anonymous Wed Sep 21 16:15:47 2022 No.21022438

>>21016852
>>21016855
>>21016887
>>21016976
>>21016981
>>21016986
>>21017039
>>21017099
>>21017111
>>21017115
>>21017131
>inb4 mass-replyfag, dont care

anon its super cool and interesting that you just learnt about the left-right dichotomy of revolutionary France but what you're spouting is actually completely fucking retarded and irrelevent. i know the only point of this comment is to signal higher understanding of a topic (i know le origins im very smart) but i have never seen anyone ANYONE bring up this little factoid without it being complete inane, self-masturbatory, drivel

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 21 16:38:10 2022 No.21022518 >>21013620 Spbp

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 21 17:18:54 2022 No.21022648 >>21022438 Didn’t read

Anonymous Wed Sep 21 17:22:17 2022 No.21022665

>>21022438
>but i have never seen anyone ANYONE bring up this little factoid without it being complete inane
Then you obviously aren't from here. In right wing circles, including here, it comes up all the time that the current dichotomy between right and left is a false one, and what we currently have is just a slow left vs a fast left, which is why the right keeps losing.

Anonymous Wed Sep 21 17:38:12 2022 No.21022737
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>>21021553
This. I´ve bought both V for Vendetta and Watchmen in hardcover. Read Vendetta a couple of day ago and currently about halfway through Watchmen. I can´t get rid of the feeling that these are trying to tell us something about our own timeline. Vendetta is obviously about post-war England and Watchmen about post-war America. But it is like a puzzle one must solve. There are references to nazis and the holocaust in both works, as well as THE BOMB. Both depicts the anglosphere as totalitarian but these are, according to our current "lore" the bastions of freedom. I recall Lynch also have this post-war america social analasys including THE BOMB. My thesis so far is that:
1. Everything we´re told happened did happen but propaganda puts us in a good light and nazis/commies in a bad light even though all three are just as morally bankrupt as the other.
2. The H-bomb isn´t real and is used as a scare by global elites to frighten the public. The plebs. This is also one of the way one can analyze Twin Peaks.
3. The holocaust isnt real and is pure propaganda, used to support the current regimes.

Both two and three might be what is represented in watchmen as "The big lie" i.e. the good lie i.e. Ozymandias plan come to fruition.
A fourth schizotake I also have but is more reluctant to personally accept is that the nazis actually won the war and we all live in a complete fake social enviroment where all public high ups (putin, presidents etc) are all secret nazi puppets and we are currently in the weimar era of the nazi global rebirth and creation of fourth reich where they introduce extreme lib shit like all the trans stuff and forced migrations to trigger a responce from the public like that in weimar germany. But that is the schizotake. I personally find the other three analyzes more believable.

Anonymous Wed Sep 21 17:46:37 2022 No.21022766

>>21022438
>t the left-right dichotomy of revolutionary France
You make a good point, mass reply fag, I either have never seen anyone ANYONE bring up this little factoid without it being complete inane, self-masturbatory, drivel, so thank you for being the first person to bring it up.

cos i and i and i sure didn't. If you think that "the fake democrats vs republicans / fake nazis vs communist dichotomy" of today has its basis in Napoleons France you're crazy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 21 18:25:32 2022 No.21022924 >>21022766 Based and btfo

Anonymous Wed Sep 21 20:23:04 2022 No.21023390

>>21018910
Nope, I'm a 2016 Bernie bro, open boarders is a Koch Brother's proposal. Strong boarder enforcement and expanded social programs for actual citizens is what is needed. But you're too much of a retard to realize that the Neo-Liberal global capitalists are enacting their agenda, and instead you just want to dunk on equally retarded woke leftists who care more about representation than actual economics. Give your head a shake.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 21 20:26:32 2022 No.21023404 >>21023390 >I'm a 2016 Bernie bro So an open borders supporting Clinton voter. Yawn, how progressive

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 21 20:35:12 2022 No.21023441 >>21023404 Nope, I'd rank choice Trump over Clinton, but go ahead and pretend your preconceptions map on to reality in even a remote way.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 21 20:40:22 2022 No.21023459 >>21021141 seethe

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 21 20:41:51 2022 No.21023464 >>21017520 >-rightists= monarchists >-leftists = republicans that doesn't apply anymore to today

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 21 23:28:20 2022 No.21024185 File: 2.65 MB, 1200x1052, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21013637 politics makes for strange bedfellows. Remember OWS?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 21 23:39:49 2022 No.21024227 File: 923 KB, 3072x2304, GettyImages-83647140-resize_4x3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21024185 pride predates the short lived and irrelevant "ows" homeless encampment at zucotti park by several decades

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 21 23:52:21 2022 No.21024272 >>21013609 Why do you have to insert politics into everything? That shit poisons the mind.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 21 23:53:20 2022 No.21024276 >>21024272 Those are both political books

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 21 23:54:21 2022 No.21024280 >>21023441 >go ahead and pretend your preconceptions map on to reality in even a remote way. >this from a leftist Lol

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 22 00:07:06 2022 No.21024326 >>21024185 OWS was grassroots and only dissolved after they infiltrated it. >>21024227 OWS are the leftists in the country making one last useless protest. It was nationwide and they're still here.

Anonymous Thu Sep 22 00:47:10 2022 No.21024458

>>21013609
Right vs left wing are vacuous terms people just project whatever they dislike into the category they don't identify with.
Any single characteristic you propose as essentially "left" or "right"can be disproven with countless historical examples.
The two are relative terms measured in comparison to eachother. At best you can say left means more open to change, and right less so. Yet even that is questionable, since fascism widely seen as a right wing movement also was connected to the futurist movement.
Now onto your question, as another here has pointed out communism poses less of an immediate threat since the dissolution of the USSR. With the end of the cold war communism became toothless. There are real communists in the U.S but they are few and far between. Mostly concentrated in academia, online spaces, and among the young. The only politicians at all sympathetic to it are soc dems like Bernie Sanders and Ocasio Cortez both of which are relatively moderate.
Undoubtedly the left wing bias of Hollywood and much of the media does play a part. Yet if we look back to the cold war, left wing authors were similarly subject to censorship. Authors that were suspected of having communist sympathies were black listed.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 22 01:04:05 2022 No.21024524 >>21024272 People with nothing else to talk about can always talk about politics. Unless you are a politician, it’s a sign of a boring person

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 22 04:08:24 2022 No.21025357 >>21013741 What if the CCP? Is that not a Communist entity?

Anonymous Thu Sep 22 04:10:19 2022 No.21025363

>>21025357
Half of commies seem to say it isnt. I mean it has wage labor, markets, private property. It has thousands of billionaires.

Even tankies say that it isnt communist so much as "achieving communism" or something, like it will get there in the future.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 22 04:32:44 2022 No.21025432 >>21013609 One contains the unpleasant truth, while the other one doesn't. The world would be an objectively better place if niggers and other shitskins were exterminated.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 22 04:40:41 2022 No.21025447 >>21013609 Figured this thread would reach the post limit. Typical /pol/bait thread. Sage

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 22 04:54:53 2022 No.21025488 >>21024280 Reality has a left wing bias ;)

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 22 04:58:07 2022 No.21025499 File: 48 KB, 730x1194, DAD21743-04E3-4ADC-B0ED-EE090582BE12.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21025488 >Reality has a left wing bias ;)

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 22 05:02:03 2022 No.21025513 File: 83 KB, 904x864, tiresome.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21025499 >I made YOU the onions wojak therefore my side wins

Anonymous Thu Sep 22 05:06:49 2022 No.21025530

>>21025357
Officially communist but no one really seems to agree on what China is in actuality.
Our relationship to them is competetive but it feels very different from the og Cold War.
Anyways communism still poses less of a threat to governments in the West. I mean really think about people that call themselves commies. First off, in the U.S it's a tiny minority. And of that minority half of the more radical ones are fat gamer neckbeards like Vaush. These people aren't staging a revolution any time soon...

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 22 05:07:31 2022 No.21025532 /pol/ is wrong about everything

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 22 05:08:35 2022 No.21025538 >>21025513 That's how you play. Stupid game, isn't it?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 22 05:09:29 2022 No.21025540 >>21013609 Why is /pol/ such a cancer?

Anonymous Thu Sep 22 05:39:08 2022 No.21025646

>>21013647
Leftists are often economically on the right as well. One of the major splits in the E Michael Jones/ Vaush debate (and the second debate EMJ had on the same channel with a young leftist woman) was over Vaush defending the practice of student loans.

I genuinely can't think of a single breadtuber who talks about Marxism outside of idle namedropping. It's all BLM and transgenderism, which are movements heavily backed by wealthy oligarchs.

One thing that is absolutely detestable to both sides of America's system is addressing wealth inequality, because regardless of right/ left the single thing both sides can agree on is that America should be run like a Wal-Mart. And to give the left its due, trannies have been staple employees and commissars of the Wal-Mart shopping floor, along with faithful customers.

Any other connection to "Marx" is incidental. He's to political philosophy what Dostoevsky is to literature-- some kind of deep "proof" that you have an intellect if you can even vaguely draw a line to him, whether that line is real or not.

Anonymous Thu Sep 22 06:13:39 2022 No.21025749
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>>21025646
Almost no one these days actually addresses the fact that the Pareto Law takes over every free market. The more capital you have, the higher return you get, which means large holders of capital have run away growth while those with less capital struggle to accumulate any. For me, this is THE central economic problem. Marx's best observations were basically stolen from Adam Smith (wages tend to fall to bare subsistence, business owners deceive and oppress the public, monopoly is the goal of business so they can artificially raise profit margins, etc). The meaningful left is those who advocate for ways to offset this tyranny of the market, the traditional means being strong union support and strong laws which ensure profits are taxed and turned back to the benefit of the citizenry as a whole.

Anonymous Thu Sep 22 06:17:34 2022 No.21025759
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>>21013757
>>21013620
>>21014647
>>21017486
>>21019466
>>21021068
>>21022518
You have to understand that leftist has lost the culture war hard and are now going full turbo retard cope mode in order to defend their extreme BDSM capitalist wearing a Marxist skin modern economic system

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 22 06:25:46 2022 No.21025790 >>21019354 I've read both and Turner Diaries is literally rooted in realism more than V for Virgin leftist so yes TTD is better.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 22 06:27:21 2022 No.21025800 >>21014506 Shit taste

Anonymous Thu Sep 22 06:28:45 2022 No.21025806
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>>21014629
>One of the best action set pieces of the 2010s.
lolwut? That looks like shit compared to The Raid and even fucking Dredd. Are all leftist THIS retarded and delusional?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 22 06:35:44 2022 No.21025829 >>21025759 >leftist has lost the culture war hard You're in a massive bubble my friend lol

Anonymous Thu Sep 22 06:36:11 2022 No.21025830
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>>21018123
>>21018185
Basically, he's a fat loser retard leftist virgin seething that all of his leftist movement has been co-opted by fucking trannies and pedo fags and that he projects all of his retarded faults onto right-wing people (intelligent normal people) so that he can prove his worth to other retarded leftist itt(impotently). The fact that he thinks giving NGOs and government more administrative power is """"right-wing"""" makes him turbo retarded to the core. Hence, why all of his leftist marxist parties has failed to garner any vote and has lost political, cultural and economical war.

Anonymous Thu Sep 22 06:38:04 2022 No.21025838

>>21013637
This kind of malcontent jab is the so overplayed that there's like 20 different ways of refuting it.

I'll just point out that it relies purely on purity spiralling, an incrementalist suddenly isn't a leftist if that's what needed at the moment, even though arguably incrementalism is the method in which leftwingers achieved the most politically. Now ironically very few of these purity spiralling morons will maintain their position after you transfer it to individual level, the old good if you hate capitalism why are you using an iphone is after all exactly the same thing as the system isn't left wing, despite championing leftist causes, because it still functions within capitalist paradigms(capitalism's political affiliation is irrelevant here, it may as well be a step on incremental development of communism and therefore a leftist tool, or the most right wing and reactionary force in existence but the purity spiral doesn't concern itself with it).

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 22 06:38:39 2022 No.21025844 File: 40 KB, 603x382, lol atheist.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21017930 Based /pol/ advocating for leftist genocide

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 22 06:39:21 2022 No.21025846 >>21025830 Studies have shown no correlation between iq and political views

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 22 06:47:08 2022 No.21025871 >>21025759 >Jobbik >Nationalist party Lol Bbc boys are 10 years behind

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 22 06:51:41 2022 No.21025882 >>21018050 >(And most of the good books about the history of this period were written by Marxists or at least historians sympathetic to it.) lol lmao, such retards

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 22 06:57:00 2022 No.21025894 >>21019232 >By definition there is no government in Communism. Here's where your retarded ass fails however. Who's gonna oversee that we all receive equal reward for our work?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 22 07:03:29 2022 No.21025915 >>21025829 There's a reason why you literally can't refute any of his point m8.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 22 07:04:37 2022 No.21025919 File: 432 KB, 735x695, lol orban won again.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21025871 Doesn't matter, they're both turbo right-wing

Anonymous Thu Sep 22 07:49:42 2022 No.21026029

>>21025806
>>One of the best action set pieces of the 2010s.
>lolwut? That looks like shit compared to The Raid and even fucking Dredd.
Ah but they like it because they're 50 something tiny white men with comb-overs and the faces of middle managers in a dayjob, and they enjoy seeing themselves depicted doing gun fu.

It's the same thinking behind why they put black people into superhero costumes, except it greatly works in this case due to the narcissism.

Anonymous Thu Sep 22 08:08:27 2022 No.21026075

>>21025829
>>leftist has lost the culture war hard
>You're in a massive bubble my friend lol
>>21025915
>>21025759

It 'has' ... but it's taken down lost everything with it, w/re: publishing, film, videogaming, arts grants, theatre (in the west anyway) - as well as existing with heavy censorship on heavily policed online comments (all illegal) ... so it may as well not mean anything to even say that, "the left has lost the culture war" because they're not going anywhere ...only that all forms of media are trash, due to it, and a lot of the public focus is directed against the contrived talking-points put out by that media as if they're rebelling against it; all of which is just nonsense or the invention of nonsense subjects to pseudo-criminalize people down the road for discussing the nonsense subjects. Bait, I mean, for the censors to use online against the public; which radicalizes them in turn when they're censored over it.

I mean: the fake-left / neo-lib narrative is completely gone, sure, but there's nothing else taking its place... if anything it can be shown that the narrative is lingering on in so much as people who think they're opposing it are buying into it by proxy;

It's like (or actually is) "staged killing fields" in fortress architecture; when the outer wall is gone and the enemy is pouring in, they're channeled into those "killing fields" where the 'defenders' (censors, mostly) have the easiest shots to take them out as they advance to the inner wall. I just point out that there is no enemy here at all and it's the general public which being abused in this way, as if they were some invading enemy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 22 08:09:29 2022 No.21026077 >. but it's taken down lost everything with it Fruedian slip. We have 'lost everything' with it lol I meant, >almost everything with it but that was wishful thinking on my part.

Anonymous Thu Sep 22 08:38:50 2022 No.21026131
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>>21026075
>It 'has' ... but it's taken down lost everything with it, w/re: publishing, film, videogaming, arts grants, theatre
AKA irrelevant shit that right-winger can still make without any problem, hence my point. If the biggest victory achievement that you have in this modern era is....blackwashing some dude in a fictional fantasy setting instead of putting union people in congress or parliament then you've lost the culture war really REALLY bad. These SJW ritual deepthroating have only served to divide the working class and bleed more money than actually doing anything.

Anonymous Thu Sep 22 08:49:37 2022 No.21026143

>>21026131
well that is true, i don't use the words "left/right" for the same reason; obviously the fake-leftism / neo-liberalism has zero to do with anything 'workers rights' at all.

Though even in that sense the fact that the original sense has been completely displaced and has half or all the talking heads visible in the public obsessed with racism/anti-racism like some religious cult is a sign more of traditional totalitarianism moreso than whatever superficial ideology either side talks about.

It's odd to me that more people don't seem to connect this 'informant/virtue-signalling' culture to it real historical basis in religious sectarianism (in that the arguments aren't reflective of reality) ... but then ironically it's the 'rightist' who troll the hardest when this connection is made, due to loving their idea of religion so much that they can't understand how every bad aspect 'of' religion still exists all around them.

witch-burning / lynchmobbing of yeterday w/ SJW hate mobs online and press smear campaigns today, etc. these kind of obvious cultural constants that haven't vanished.

Anonymous Thu Sep 22 08:53:19 2022 No.21026150

> these kind of obvious cultural constants that haven't vanished.
or the mentality which drives the evil action, more accurately.

Perhaps even the case is right there to be made that if a government policy is bad and if the media is employed for damage control to "protect the government" then scapegoats have to be invented to deflect the wrath of the public; pulpits blaming jews or witches for centuries, press pulpits blaming blacks yesterday or whites today, etc. deflection from true cause of complaint.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 22 09:23:07 2022 No.21026197 >>21025915 What points?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 22 13:52:48 2022 No.21026804 >>21026029 Lol, true

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