/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.20744427]

Books to induce a sense of spirituality in someone who had never experienced it?

[Anonymous No.20744450]

>>20744427
How is a beer belly like this even possible?

[Anonymous No.20744498]

>>20744427

https://realization.org/p/ashtavakra-gita/richards.ashtavakra-gita/richards.ashtavakra-gita.html

[Anonymous No.20744501]

[Anonymous No.20744520]

>>20744501
A faggot wrote this while sipping a faggot drink

[Anonymous No.20744528]

>>20744501
>God MUST be. Otherwise, Bach's music would be only heartrending illusion
This is a fantastically smooth-brain take. Bafflingly stupid. Who comes up with this shit?

[Anonymous No.20744565]

>>20744528
People with souls

[Anonymous No.20744594]

>>20744501
Who wrote that?

[Anonymous No.20744616]

>>20744450
Discipline

[Anonymous No.20744751]

>>20744498
Retarded.

[Anonymous No.20744764]

>>20744427
Death of Ivan Ilyich. McDuff et al translattion

[Anonymous No.20744867]

>>20744594
Plato in one of his letters to Parmenides

[Anonymous No.20745080]

>>20744427
Why is beer considered the most manly alcoholic beverage, when in reality it's the most feminine and gives you bitch tits and makes you look like you're pregnant?

[Anonymous No.20745147]

>>20745080
Dr.Pepper is most masculine beverage

[Anonymous No.20745392]

>>20745080
When you take a step back It's illogical how arbitrarily acceptable alcohol is compared to other drugs; Especially when you consider the harmful side effects. Instead of having a drink once a week it would be much healthier to smoke marijuana or take some opioid variant. Alcohol really is a trash tier drug. The only reason it's still accepted is because it has a long history. If you tried to introduce it now without any historical context it would be banned immediately.

Also, breweries are just bars so drop the pretentious euphemism. Drinking is not a hobby.

[Anonymous No.20745537]

>>20745392
This, but marijuana is also trash.

[Anonymous No.20745573]

>>20744867
Bach was born after Plato's time retard

[Anonymous No.20745587]

>>20745080
Does THAT makes you think of pregnancy?
YWNBAW

[Anonymous No.20745613]

>>20745080
I would say whiskey or some other strong liquor is often considered the manliest alcoholic beverage. The real tragedy is that drinking wine is considered feminine in the U.S.
>pic rel. my favorite $10 red

[Anonymous No.20745634]

>>20745613
>he real tragedy is that drinking wine is considered feminine in the U.S.
America delenda est

[Anonymous No.20745720]

>>20744616
Or lack there of.

[Anonymous No.20745738]

>>20744427
just read any book after fasting for 36 hours

[Anonymous No.20745819]

>>20745613
>drinking wine is considered feminine in the U.S.
it's that way universally--i haven't seen a single bitch whose not obsessed with wine

[Anonymous No.20745825]

>>20745147
this

[Anonymous No.20745831]

>>20745613
no. you're just a pretentious nerd

[Anonymous No.20745972]

>>20745831
So you think wine drinkers are pretentious nerds. Is that better or worse than it being considered feminine?

[Anonymous No.20746026]

>>20744450
In the late stages of alcoholism your organs fail, and this piss-looking fluid starts filling up the belly. People will make routine visits to the hospital to get the liquid drained. There was some UK doc that showed the process but I can't remember the name offhand.

[Anonymous No.20746106]

>>20744450
It's likely gainer-ism.

[Anonymous No.20746128]

>>20744427
Parmenides, Zeno of Elea, and Heraclitus simultaneously

[Anonymous No.20746138]

Read Jung, he won't give you all the answers but he'll make spirituality a lot more comprehensible. After that the path you take is up to you.

[Anonymous No.20746144]

>>20746026
That's not ascites, he's just fat

[Anonymous No.20746164]

>>20744501
Dude, we get it. You like Bach.

[Anonymous No.20746172]

>>20744501
I'm a Christian and this is the stupidest argument I've ever read.

[Anonymous No.20746177]

>>20745613
>>20745819
Only white wine is considered feminine

[Anonymous No.20746361]

>>20744450
America

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[Anonymous No.20747946]

>>20744427
Amazing posture despite his stomach

[Anonymous No.20747964]

>>20744594
Cioran. The only thing he seems to like beyond literature is music. He makes everything else out to be some form of poison or another.

[Anonymous No.20748005]

>>20744427
The Childhood of Jesus by Jakob Lorber

[Anonymous No.20748008]

>>20744764
This is also my answer. Nobody can make an unspiritual life look quite as empty as Tolstoy can.

[Anonymous No.20748193]

>>20744427
This book started me down a path of spirituality that unironically changed my life for the better.

[Anonymous No.20748201]

>>20746026
This is not fluid build-up from liver failure. This is all bought and paid-for.

[Anonymous No.20748208]

>>20748008
>Nobody can make an unspiritual life look quite as empty as Tolstoy can.
is that supposed to be a counter argument to nihilism or what? the entire point of nihilism is that it's empty that way or another and everything else is just a cope

[Anonymous No.20748621]

>>20744594
Cioran

[Anonymous No.20748645]

>>20744427
Not possible. Not being spiritual is a form of neurodivergence.

[Anonymous No.20749681]

>>20745392
>no bro marijuana is actually pretty healthy compared to other drugs bro trust me

still not becoming a weedfag

[Anonymous No.20749701]

To my brother currently outside of God's friendship, hou must follow The Way. Unfortunately The Way is violent. You must become accustomed to pain to ascend, to reach Theosis.

Here are some of my favorite quotes from The Way, by St. Josemaria Escriva de Balaguer y Albas (of most blessed memory) on the necessity of suffering:

The Way 182: "Let us drink to the last drop the chalice of pain in this poor present life".

The Way 193: "Tender, soft, flabby...: that's
not the way I want you. It's about time you got rid of that peculiar pity you feel for yourself"

The Way 207: "Give thanks, as for a very special favour, for that holy abhorrence you feel for yourself. "

The Way 208: "Let us bless pain. Love pain. Sanctify pain... Glorify pain!"

The Way 214: "Say to your body: I would rather keep you in slavery than be myself a slave of yours."(My favorite quote from The Way).

I pray I soon find you bloody, torn and bruised in line at the confessional, so that you too will understand the pleasure pain for the lord brings :-)

[Anonymous No.20749745]

christians and muslims are jews

[Anonymous No.20749747]

>>20744501
>>20744565
based

[Anonymous No.20749781]

>>20744427
Unironically

[Anonymous No.20749798]

>>20748193
I got my atheist friend to read this book for exactly OP's purpose and it made no impact- he found it boring. I was surprised because it seemed very relevant to his circumstances (success in the world not filling a void of meaning) but no luck. Smart guy, too. Shame :(

[Anonymous No.20749832]

>>20744867
>>20745573
Topkek

[Anonymous No.20749848]

>>20746177
By idiots. What will you drink during summer at noon?

[Anonymous No.20749896]

>>20749798
I also found it boring.

[Anonymous No.20750003]

>>20749848
water

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[Anonymous No.20750020]

>>20744427
Revolt Against the Modern World by Julius Evola.

[Anonymous No.20750025]

>>20744764
great book. great suggestion.

[Anonymous No.20750046]

>>20745392
jews were able to corner the alcohol market through distributorships (at least in the US).
Now that they are cornering the marijuana market and making it harder to acquire seeds**, marijuana is being promoted as socially acceptable.

**Anyone here old enough to remember having to clean your weed? That's what double LPs were for.
Fun fact: I had a buddy that use to lay it all out and his parrot would pick all the seeds out!

[Anonymous No.20750078]

>>20745392
>it would be much healthier to smoke marijuana or take some opioid variant.
My brother as a former full time weed smoker I can tell you that its not the case. Alcohol is very destructive to the body long term especially but it has relatively little effects on the mind when taken moderately. When I first smoked marijuana my entire perception of reality especially time and space was warped, I had some very specific paranoid delusions about the people around me and felt like I was floating and that one second was like 5 seconds instead. Alcohol at worst mostly makes you physically sick. After a few years my weed habit grew to the point that I would smoke maybe twice daily even on weekdays and I was in a permanent delusion haze unaware of reality. To this day my short term, working memory, and executive function are irreparably damaged. With alcohol I rarely drink and when I'm with friend having dinner I'll have a tasty glass of wine with food and it's relaxing without causing any mental defects and little physical defects. I see functional alcoholics all the time get fucked up but still be up for work the next morning but weed smokers sleep through their alarms and neglect everything in life. Alcohol is poison but other drugs are also poison, alcohol and maybe tobacco seem to be the least harmful poisons.

[Anonymous No.20750112]

>>20750078
>Anecdotal evidence

[Anonymous No.20750180]

>>20750078
Cope, retard. Here's another personal account. I drink and smoke very occasionally, one or the other once every few weeks. Alcohol does more to ruin the quality of my sleep and does more harm to my focus and motivation the following day. I worked in low-income, low-barrier social housing and the long-term alcoholics were the most destroyed and reptilian people in the building, worse even than the opioid and meth addicts. I'm not kidding, meth heads could go to rehab and come back seeming like somewhat normal people until they found some crystal again, but alcoholics were permanently retarded. I put a fire out on an alcoholic who had fallen asleep with a lit cigarette and woken up with his hair smoldering and skin melting off but he was barely aware of what was going on and somehow got out of the ambulance and away from the paramedics when they arrived at the hospital to go buy some beer - they only found him because the liquor store cashier was so horrified at his condition they called 911 again. The worst weed addicts just fail to achieve their potential and sit around at home watching shitty youtube videos.
As that other anon pointed out though, personal accounts are just anecdotes. You can check the scientific evidence and it will agree that alcohol does more damage to your body and mind over the long term than nearly anything else. The only "mitigating" factor is that we have a culture of social and (relatively) moderate alcohol use, whereas other drugs are typically only used by people with low inhibition and poor decision-making to begin with. This is one of several selection factors (along with functional users of other drugs successfully hiding their addictions) that make it seem like alcohol is less harmful, relative to other drugs, than it really is.

[Anonymous No.20750221]

>>20750016
Whats so spiritual about raping and killing spics?

[Anonymous No.20750274]

>>20749896
Which parts did you find boring? Does eastern religion turn you off generally?

[Anonymous No.20750281]

>>20750180
Is this some new ''DUDE WEED LMAO''' pasta cope? Because if it isnt u really should kys.

[Anonymous No.20750318]

>>20750281
I'm sorry but you have 100 iq

[Anonymous No.20750334]

>>20750318
>DUDE WEED LMAO YOU HAVE 100 IQ BUT I HAVE HIGHER!!!
Honestly, i mean it when i say kys.

[Anonymous No.20750345]

>>20750274
ascetism is as pathetic as hedonism. both sides of the same coin

>>20750334
shut up bitch

[Anonymous No.20750350]

>>20750345
>DUDE WEED LMAO! SHUT UP BITCH BIX NOOD!
Ok nigger.

[Anonymous No.20750356]

>>20750334
I'm not encouraging weed use you dumb faggot, drugs are unironically bad mmkay. You're just assblasted about "alcohol vs. weed" like a typical tribalist frogposting moron.

[Anonymous No.20750365]

>>20750350
>NO ALCOHOL IS GOOD I COULD QUIT ANY TIME AND IT ACTUALLY JUST RELAXES ME! IF YOU SAY IT'S WORSE THAN WEED THAT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE A DUDE WEED LMAO LIBERAL LEFTIE FAGGOT FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
Imagine being such a sopping wet alcoholic dumbass

[Anonymous No.20750373]

>>20750356
>>20750365
>DUDE WEED LMAO! I WAS JUST PRETENDING TO BE RETARDED INFRONT MY R*DDIT FRIENDS.
Honestly nigger, i really... Really mean it when i say kys.

[Anonymous No.20750383]

>>20750373
Terminally retarded, you're making me we shouldn't have stopped sterilizing people like you.

[Anonymous No.20750393]

>>20750383
*making me think

[Anonymous No.20750395]

>>20750383
>DUDE WEED LMAO! MY FELLOW R*DDITNIGGER FRIENDS AGREE WITH ME!
Kys.

[Anonymous No.20750403]

>>20750395
go back to /pol/, you should be arguing about whether getting a Latina waifu is based or race-treason, not posting on a literature board

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[Anonymous No.20750413]

>>20750274
I also read it a while back. Cool narrative I guess, and I got its lessons, but I didn't really see it as profound or anything, and I typically can appreciate Buddhist philosophy

[Anonymous No.20750419]

>>20750403
>DUDE WEED LMAO! UR HECKING RACIST GO BACK TO /POL/ REEEEEEEE!
For the sake of r*ddit and ur upvotes just kys already, holyshit...

[Anonymous No.20750434]

>>20750403
This, so much this! Here's your gold, fellow basedsipping comrade! Let's send these chuds back to kekistan!

[Anonymous No.20750440]

>>20744427

[Anonymous No.20750445]

>>20744427
My brother, read the Bible.
Not the commentary, not the random super rich faggot priest explaining the Bible to you, not the shortened kiddie version.
Buy an actual Christian normal bible that wasn't written by some American cultist, or by some random faggot in Germany/England and read it.
When you don't understand, stop and think "why would people of the past write about this?" sometimes is to give people of their time laws, sometimes is to give people of the future wisdom, sometimes you will simply not comprehend, then pray to God for wisdom and move on with your reading.
>inb4 christcuck etc etc
My dear brother, know that the Bible is a very important book to the Western civilization in particular when talking about spirituality.

[Anonymous No.20750449]

>>20750434
>if you don't say weed is worse than alcohol that's because you're from REDDIT, ok?!?

[Anonymous No.20750459]

>>20750445
greek texts are older. why not start with that?

[Anonymous No.20750468]

>>20750449
>oh sweatyy, if you don't like weed then you're a bigoted stinky racist
SLAYYYY KWEEN

[Anonymous No.20750470]

>>20750459
(if we talk about significance to the western people)

[Anonymous No.20750471]

>>20750459
Not completely older, the old testament is a collection of Babylonian stories (basically) and follows them from a long time before the greeks where around.
In general I suggest the Bible, both new and old testament, because that's the religion and book that influenced the west the most in the last 2000 years, if you feel a pull towards greek mythology go for it and read.

[Anonymous No.20750514]

>>20749832
it was a retroactive letter

[Anonymous No.20750827]

>>20750345
It's a bit reductive or at least incomplete to say Siddhartha advocated asceticism. The protagonist leaves home to become an ascetic and pretty quickly realizes it won't lead to enlightenment. A better summation would be something like "asceticism has no worth without first experiencing hedonism". Out of curiosity what is your preferred prescription for how to live?

>>20750413
If you were already familiar with and appreciative of Buddhist philosophy I can see how it might have been boring. It was pretty new to me and my friend at the time so I was surprised he had a reaction dissimilar to mine. He has a general distaste for anything vaguely spiritual though.. like OP I'm interested in an effective way to reach out to these kinds of people, or whether it can/should be attempted.

[Anonymous No.20750855]

>>20744427
Quo Vadis

[Anonymous No.20750916]

>>20750827
>"asceticism has no worth without first experiencing hedonism"
you imagine this is a redemption arc when it's more like two sides of the same coin

[Anonymous No.20751275]

>>20744616
top kek
>>20745720
you must be fun at parties

[Anonymous No.20753061]

bump

[Anonymous No.20754148]

>>20744450
By drinking beer.

[Anonymous No.20754347]

>>20744427
Pretty sure that guy thinks Jesus Loves Him, OP. You can tell he thinks this because of his gross disregard for his mortal shell rationalized by himself in that he is cultivating his immortal spirit.

[Anonymous No.20754351]

>>20750403
upvoted

[Anonymous No.20754490]

>>20754347
>Pretty sure that guy thinks Jesus Loves Him, OP. You can tell he thinks this because of his gross disregard for his mortal shell rationalized by himself in that he is cultivating his immortal spirit.
Doesn't christianity preach restraint? You dumtard

[Anonymous No.20754495]

>>20750046
You had to clean your weed? Is that a boomer thing or an America thing.

[Anonymous No.20754543]

>>20754490
Quite the opposite; it encourages bad behavior (and does not anywhere teach 'how' to be good; other than following jewish OT law which is quite evil) in order for the person to have sins to be saved from, whilst expressing that to be good is impossible (paul; romans, acts) - except for God who is portrayed as an evil person with a character full of child-like vices (i am a jealous god).

You've probably mistaken Christianity for Buddhism or Stoicism, it happens.

[Anonymous No.20754563]

>>20744427
Weirdly enough, check out the paranormal in terms of Project Gateway, Grillflame, and Jeremy Narby's Serpent. I found spirituality through realizing that there is empirical bases for it. Check out Jorjani's Prometheus and Atlas as well.

[Anonymous No.20754713]

>>20754543
wtf do you mean ? A christian is born in sin and struggles his whole life to do good deeds in order for christ to forgive him

[Anonymous No.20754728]

>>20754713
>A christian is born in sin
Exactly, if you think you're as guilty as a child rapist when you're not, then what's another dozen cheeseburgers on top of that?

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[Anonymous No.20754799]

>>20754713
>larper hasn't even skimmed the bible
Good deeds are explicitly NOT going to get you into heaven, all that matters is repenting for your sins: also sin is inevitable, because you are flawed and not perfect like God, so you can't sidestep the issue.

[Anonymous No.20754811]

>>20744501
more fan of the reading that with Bach one is already in modernity, its no longer the medieval music of divine harmonies but more of a Kantian position where man has to impose a rational, mathematical order on reality. Zizek says it nicely in this little clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2HxOY4nWX4

[Anonymous No.20754829]

>>20754728
who the fuck said you are as guilty as a rapist ?Its the primordial sin and obviously someone who commits more acts of wrongdoing has less and less chances for redemption and forgiveness
>>20754799
No nigger, you can`t just say ''sorry big J, i`m cool now ,i repent''.Your whole life will be judged, not just some words you spew out.

[Anonymous No.20754837]

>>20750274
As a narrative, it felt rather flat. At no point did I really care about Siddhartha as a character. He would just go places and do things for seemingly no real reason.

I wouldn't say religion turns me off. But it does seem alien and strange, eastern or western.

[Anonymous No.20754846]

>>20754829
>can't read the Bible
>can't read the posts he replies to
At least you're consistent.

[Anonymous No.20755026]

>>20754829
>the primordial sin
Oh, that makes sense; the primordial sin is obviously something worse and terrible than merely killing a child. Okay, hold on I'm just going to keep reading from my bible.. and I see that this 'primordial sin' is the first humans wanting to know how to tell right from wrong.

>obviously someone who commits more acts of wrongdoing has less and less chances for redemption and forgiveness
Ohh but this like a comedy show now because how do we know right from wrong in order to avoid acts of wrong-doing?

>>20754799
Exactly this. A person who has kidnapped, cooked and eaten several children can "get into heaven" if they remember to say "praise Jesus" and "I repent" just before they die.

>>20754829
>No nigger,
But Masa, it says so in de holy book! Masa, why you seem so nervy?

[Anonymous No.20755030]

>>20754829
>the primordial sin
Oh, that makes sense; the primordial sin is obviously something worse and terrible than merely killing a child. Okay, hold on I'm just going to keep reading from my bible.. and I see that this 'primordial sin' is the first humans wanting to know how to tell right from wrong.

>obviously someone who commits more acts of wrongdoing has less and less chances for redemption and forgiveness
Ohh but this like a comedy show now because how do we know right from wrong in order to avoid acts of wrong-doing when wanting to know right from wrong is the primordial sin!?

>>20754799
Exactly this. A person who has kidnapped, cooked and eaten several children can "get into heaven" if they remember to say "praise Jesus" and "I repent" just before they die.

>>20754829
>No nigger,
But Masa, it says so in de holy book! Masa, why you seem so nervy?

[Anonymous No.20755045]

>>20755030
Well, you have to truly be sorry rather than just say you're sorry: which means a children-raping nigger that feels scared for a few instants before his death will go to heaven, while a slightly skeptical philantrope might not.