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talentless hack overrated

>> No.20674767

>>20674757
Goethe is more impressive as a whole. His individual works don’t do him justice. The fact that he contributed in so many fields is what gives him his renown. Goethe is more than the sum of his individual works

>> No.20674921

>>20674757
Not a talentless hack, but overrated. Schiller's the talentless hack.

>> No.20674925

>>20674757
how many tiktok followers did he have

>> No.20675106

>>20674757
>hasn't read Poetry and Truth, Italian Journey, Iphigenia, Eckermann, Conversations with German Refugees, the Wilhelm Meisters, etc., and was filtered by Faust ii
You go girl

>> No.20675982

>>20674757
pic not related

>> No.20675991 [DELETED] 

>>20674767
>"The whole is greater than the sum of it's parts!!"
I'm not gonna read his compendium of work just to enjoy Werther, nigga

>> No.20676002

>>20674757
That's Coleridge or Novalis you mean

>> No.20676014

>>20675991
Nigga Werther is YA romance, you can read it without any pre-requirements.

>>20674767
Which is precisely why Faust (and especially Faust 2) is so great. Dude poured his entire life into it. Everything he knew in some way, shape or form ended up in Faust.

>> No.20676667

>>20676014
>Nigga Werther is YA romance, you can read it without any pre-requirements.
At a technical level sure, but to properly appreciate it you must be a Werther in your own love triangle or previously were.

>> No.20676682

>>20674757
redpill me on Goethe's color theory

I don't understand what Goethe is trying to do there. how is it not just pseudoscientific, arbitrary "muh feels" trash? I've looked for insightful interpretations but couldn't find any

>> No.20676730

>>20676682
He was half right about color not being exterior anyway.

>> No.20676731

I dont know his other books but werther is extremely bad. Maybe it was original in his time but it aged terribly

>> No.20676737

>>20676730
>color not being exterior
wdym by this

>> No.20676792

>>20676737
In the Newtonian theory color is a purely physical phenomenon, Goethe disagreed with this and believed it was a mental process. Today he has, at the least, been proven half right.

>> No.20676805

>>20676792
>Today he has, at the least, been proven half right.
in what way? I can't help that Goethe was projecting his own conditioning via colors

>> No.20677998

>>20674757
>t. filtered

>> No.20678708

bump

>> No.20679098
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20679098

>>20674757
Are you sure about that? I recently read Elective Affinities and while I thought it was cool I also felt that it went over my head and I was kind of filtered by it. I also read Walter Benjamin's essay on it (which was also pretty cool but which I also felt like I got filtered by). The whole experience basically made me feel dumb. Fair enough, I'm too dumb for Goethe. That's almost certainly true. Some people respond to art that makes them feel dumb by insecurely lashing out, saying the art is bad or pretentious. Is that what you're doing?

>> No.20679112

>>20679098
>chemistry isn't everything
wow was that so hard?

>> No.20680438 [DELETED] 

Goethe is a genius. As long as plebeians hate him, he will forever be underrated

>> No.20680776

>>20674757
>Goethe
Do people even read him?

>> No.20680783

>>20674757
Notice how people that make these shit threads will always insult someone but never give an example of who they think is a good writer? Contrarians r fuk

>> No.20681544

>>20674757
Goethe is only worth reading in German. Faust is arguably the best German work of literature of all times, and that's not an overstatement, it's just the truth.

>> No.20681558

>>20674757
>>20676731
Filtered. Werther is one of my favourite books.

>> No.20681627

>>20674757
Laughed out loud
Best b8 post I’ve seen in a while

>> No.20681697

>>20681544
>Goethe is only worth reading in German. Faust is arguably the best German work of literature of all times, and that's not an overstatement, it's just the truth.
What's the best work written in Slovenian?

>> No.20681770

>>20681697
None, slovenia is void of culture

>> No.20681811

>>20681697
I don't speak Slovenian, so I have no clue.

>> No.20681856

>>20681544
Correct opinion. Reading Goethe in translation is like reading a translation of Joyce. It's just not the same.

>> No.20681882

>>20674757
What is the point of his color theory? Does it stand up today? Was it just him projecting the strange but beautiful conditioning of his mind out into the world?

>> No.20681889

>>20674757
You could have just said "German."

>> No.20681992

The most brilliant mind of all time alongside Nietzsche. Head and shoulders above his peers. Those who don't "get" him just aren't researching his thoughts the way his admirers did, which is a complete run-down of his thoughts in multiple works, fragments, poems, color theory; anyway, his summum bonum.
Spengler was perfectly correct in his devotion.

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20682005

>>20674757
He was a liberal and a Freemason who hated German nationalism.

>> No.20682022

>>20681770
>>20681811
Retards can't do basic inference.

>> No.20682126

>>20682022
Or you're just not conveying your thoughts properly.

>> No.20682214

>>20681544
>Arguably
>It's just the truth

>> No.20682255

>>20682214
It's the truth that it's arguably the best. What's so hard to grasp?

>> No.20682689

>>20682126
Both Slovenia and Germany lack literary high culture.

>> No.20683699

>>20682689
Uhh, okay?

>> No.20683815
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>>20682005
Hegel was like this too. It's no surprise Marx liked that faggot so much.

>> No.20683891

Is he the Beethoven of literature?

>> No.20683894

>>20683891
Beethoven wasn't a Freemason.

>> No.20683930

Goethe in German must be amazing because every German writer goes crazy when talking about him.

>> No.20684117

>>20674757
brainlet anglo take
>>20683930
this. Goathe is literally incredible in German.

>> No.20684295

>>20684117
Learning German to read Goethe.

>> No.20684332

>>20683894
Goethe was also a member of the Bavarian Illuminati.

>> No.20684422

>>20676667
>To properly appreciate it you must be a Werther in your own love triangle or previously were.
Ah, so precisely, no one on /lit/ then; good to know that I can safely skip it

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20684434

>>20682689
>Germany lack literary high culture
lolwut

>> No.20684447

>>20674757
Has anyone read Eckermann’s Conversations With Goethe? Penguin is releasing their edition in September. I might preorder it

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20684677

>>20682005
>>20683894
>>20684332
All famous intellectuals were then apart of enlightened secret societies. So fucking what? If anything that just proves how based and smart he was. Nothing wrong with Free-Masonry.

>> No.20685598

>>20684447
It's really good; engaging in a way that makes you want to keep reading it. Nietzsche called it the best German book.

>> No.20686248

>>20674757
How is Goethe a hack?

>> No.20686948

>>20674757
You can tell Goethe was a genius because he recognized that young Schopenhauer was genius before anyone else took him seriously. In fact, he was almost 50 years ahead of the curve since Schopenhauer wouldn't attain fame or recognition until the end of his life.

>> No.20686982

>>20683891
Personality-wise they were opposites. Apparently, Goethe thought Beethoven was a barbarian, though an admirable one. When the two had met, and some wealthy aristocrats passed by, Goethe took off his hat and bowed to let them pass, while Beethoven just pushed forward, challenging them to give way.

>> No.20686995

>>20683815
wasn't Fichte the only German philosopher of that period to openly avow nationalism?

>> No.20687004

Is it true he was apart of a sand cult?

>> No.20687009

>>20676805
objects aren't red or blue. they reflect light at different wavelengths and your brain represents those differences as colours.

>> No.20687029

>>20687004
No he just wrote that stuff in his notes to feel cool. It was common back then

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20687036

>>20687004
Dude look at me me im so exotic and cool

>> No.20687063

>>20676014
The most appealing thing about Faust is the premise, which he didn’t come up with. Also, Marlowe’s Faust had a more appropriate ending.

>> No.20687070

>>20681992
You really believe that?

>> No.20687084

I find his biographical details off-putting.

>> No.20687086

>>20687063
Marlowe's Faust was a proper play. Goethe's was like a experimentation: a puppet show, a masquerade ball, a collage and a fever dream.

>> No.20687428

>>20687084
This is one of the key distinctions between great men and hacks. If you're principally know for your off-hand 'quips' (which have undoubtably been embellished beyond any realm of truth) and 'novel' living style then you're not actually famous for your work but for yourself, presumably with the sort of people who enjoy that—woman, homosexuals (bad kind) and mouth breathers.

I thank God each day for the fact that the sole biographical tidbit I know regarding Milton is his profound hatred for women, something that only does credit to his corpus.

>> No.20687513

>>20687428
They’re not exactly short “quips” few and far between. Quite a lot is known about Goethe, much of it coming from the man himself.

>> No.20687557

>>20687513
>Quite a lot is known about Goethe, much of it coming from the man himself.

Substantially worse.