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[Anonymous No.20644881]

Guenon edition

[Anonymous No.20644913]

>>20644881
This is now a Marx thread.

[Anonymous No.20644981]

The Salafi Islam thing was kinda weird. For a guy obsessed with authentic traditions, there is, or at least not at the time, anything less trad than Islam in France

[Anonymous No.20644992]

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !KNDY/Ar.iI No.20644999]

[Anonymous No.20645017]

>>20644881
Guenon was filtered by everything in Germany.

Dude couldn't even understand Lutheran chorales, let alone orchestral music.

[Anonymous No.20645026]

[Anonymous No.20645036]

I almost fell for the trad "metaphysics" meme. Glad I dodged retardation.

[Anonymous No.20645042]

>>20644881
what's the story behind the "Whitehead retroactively refuted by Parmenides" meme?
>where it came from
>did Whitehead actually get refuted by Parmenides?

[Dago No.20645052]

>>20645026
Bataillefag you are the biggest chump on this board!!!

[Anonymous No.20645053]

>>20645042
Whitehead must return.

[Anonymous No.20645059]

>>20645042
Guenon uses the word retroactive, and agrees with Parmenides eternal being over Whitehead's process philosophy of eternal change. If you want a more extensive answer search the archives.

[Dago No.20645069]

>>20645036
You got filtered you mean?
One day this entire board will proclaim: Guenonfag was right

[Anonymous No.20645076]

Who is the next meme author?

[Anonymous No.20645083]

>>20645059
>Guenon uses the word retroactive
wouldn't it be reverse-retroactive? I get what he's saying, that it was already covered, pre-emptively without refutation, but you have to switch the time relation.

[Dago No.20645094]

newfags

[Anonymous No.20645118]

>>20645094
>phonefags

[Dago No.20645141]

>>20645118
You’ve done me

Have you read Guenon tho

[Anonymous No.20645152]

>>20645141
Only his Calculus metaphysics book. I don't think it aged well.

[Anonymous No.20645175]

>>20644881
>Guenon
Who?

[Dago No.20645184]

>>20645152
My dude you ought to read his hindu core
>intro to Hindu doctrines
>studies in Hinduism
>man and his becoming according to the Vedanta

It will lay such a deep metaphysical foundation that it will change your life for the better.
It’s not even that many pages

[Anonymous No.20645195]

>>20645184
I'm autistic so I cannot understand theology. I will stick with pragmatism.

[Anonymous No.20645207]

Yes atheist weaklings are obsessed with heroes and warriors. That's because atheists are impotent. Warriors dont spend their lives idealizing warriors. Warriors do, they act. Atheists dont do anything but whine that atheism is nihilistic hedonism, so they try to salvage their meaningless lives with ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''optimistic nihilism'''''''''''''''''''''''''''and it's a complete failure. This is the route taken by atheist women and chads.
The other route is the one taken by puny atheist worms who are rejected by women, yet long for their attention. Of course those are the Traditionalists, which are utterly lost in life.
Since atheism is basically saying all pre-atheist codes are useless and oppressive and ignorant and man made, and all atheists codes are better and true and liberating, as long as the plebs remain consumming wageslaves, ie do not conduct military affairs, there is basically no code and men are stuck at competing for women 24/7. So they try to gain back some realization of their fantasy of masculinity and they all double down on lifting and homosexual activities, saying it's peak masculinity. Also following orders on a some civilian hierarchies by bureaucrats. why do atheists keep being infatuated with the state. why cant they base their lives on something else than being told what to do by the public servants?

People who dont give a shit about atheism keep conducting military affairs and they can't give a shit about regaining masculinity codes and they certainly dont give a fuck about how they look in the eyes of the atheists.

[Baron Dago No.20645231]

Post underrated trad essays that you have come across

[Anonymous No.20645260]

>>20645184
Bro, I just want to say that you have more or less singlehandedly kept /lit/ from being a hundred percent garbage this year thanks to your threads. A lone voice crying in the wilderness. I appreciate it.

[Anonymous No.20645262]

>>20645231
Richard Weaver had alot of good stuff

[Anonymous No.20645301]

can anyone link some good epubs for guenon books, specifically intro to Hindu doctrines. The one on archive org is shit, and libgen and zlib didn’t have it

[Anonymous No.20645305]

anyone want to join a guenon discord

[Baron Dago No.20645316]

>>20645260
Lol thanks bro
Which threads in particular?
I’m rangebanned from baking threads on my phone so I haven’t been able to bake much lately.

However, you can expect some comfy threads soon - I’ve been doing a lot of reading lately and want to post about it

Thought about making a Mishima thread but there’s been too many lately.

[Baron Dago No.20645328]

>Walmart is now selling Guenon books

[Anonymous No.20645384]

>>20645184
what does Guenon have to say about Plato and the Neoplatonists?

[Anonymous No.20645408]

>>20644881
Tradchads are superior.

[Anonymous No.20645427]

>>20645184
Absolutely agreed, Intro and Studies in Hinduism are great. The back half of Studies with Guenon's reviews on other thinkers is especially fun to read and got me interested enough in Coomaraswamy to give him a look too. More people here should check his stuff out, he's great but he doesn't get memed the way Guenon and Evola do so I don't see him mentioned much at all on this board (outside of once in a while in /trad/ threads)

[Baron Dago No.20645435]

>>20645262
What’s his deal?
>Dixie chad
So we know he’s not cringe
>>20645384
I’m not greekpilled nor Platopilled so i don’t really recall much about the topic. Maybe someone else can reply.
I think Plato influenced his view on Quality vs Quantity though - at least that is my impression from the Professor Ahmad lectures.

Coomaraswamy thought Plotinus and Neo-Platonism was based but that they cannot compete with the Upanishads and Shankara.

[Anonymous No.20645446]

>>20645427
He wrote an article for Evola's Ur Group on Hindu alchemy, in Intro to Magic 3

[Baron Dago No.20645452]

>>20645427
Guenon’s reviews of books/journals are low key an underrated topic

[Anonymous No.20645481]

Guenon and Evola are on higher planes fighting (((them)))

[Anonymous No.20645498]

>>20645231
This is a somewhat petty thing but there’s a conception in Traditionalist circles of the obscure Armenian philosopher and spiritual teacher, G. I. Gurdjieff, as “anti-Teaditional,” even though Gurdjieff independently came to and spoke of many of the same insights of Traditionalism, having come to it through his vast studies and travels in the East, and there’s evidence he was initiated into Sufi dervish orders (the Naqshbandi Sufi order specifically), as well as learning from Tibetan Lamaism directly and personally, besides other sources of knowledge and study.

He also, in Guenon’s own phraseology, makes a distinction between the “syncretic” as opposed to the authentic synthetic mode of viewing traditions which is held open as a possibility — for instance, like Guenon, you can find him disparaging Theosophy and Western occultism, as being deluded, degraded forms of esotericism, taken from seeds of truth but corrupted.

In Gurdjieff you also can find, for instance, the classic Indian Vedantic trisarira (three-bodies) teaching, of the gross, subtle, and causal bodies corresponding to different states of consciousness. The Indian Samkhya philosophy, with the concept of the purusha (witnesser consciousness) as distinct from the mechanisms of prakriti (matter, nature, the matter-energy matrix karmically, causally, mechanistically bound and determined), and the goal and practice of a yogic system such as of Patanjali’s Yoga Sutras, being kaivalya, the liberation of the purusha from the muddled defilements of prakriti, can also be profitably and intriguingly correlated with Gurdjieff’s teachings. Also of note is the correlation between the Vedantic conception of turiya, the fourth state, or of turiya samadhi, as that source of awareness beyond the three bodies, the point of realization of the unity of the individual Atman, self, with Brahman — the correlation of this idea with Buddhist conceptions of the Buddha-nature, the tathagatagarbha, and the like; as well as even of the Tibetan Buddhist conception of the Vajrakaya, diamond body; and overall how this can also be tied to Gurdjieff’s teachings.

I want to make a thread eventually with a massive info-dump of such information, and more, including especially from the little-read behemoth “Beelzebub’s Takes to His Grandson” (the title of which is a bit off-putting and unconventional, certainly) so stay tuned to learn about the monstrous composite (yet strangely organically resonant) of the Vajrayana-Vedantic-Sufic way, or various names different cultures have given to the process of scaling Mount Analogue.

[Anonymous No.20645549]

>>20645498
Cool. Gurdjieff was practicing a form of lefthand path, yes?

[Anonymous No.20645811]

Bump

[Anonymous No.20645824]

>>20645316
Trad and esotericism stuff in general. When you do it all the people that read and know what they're talking about show up.

[Anonymous No.20645858]

>>20644881

[Anonymous No.20645916]

>>20645036
It's just theoretical and partially faith based until it can be realized and used, or experienced, which is knowing in the esoteric, inner sense. The problem is enforcing the false ego with theories making oneself feel superior for having read about it and remembered it, which does not truly make one superior (in the Traditionalist metaphysical sense). Very great books still.

[Anonymous No.20645946]

>>20645498
What's satanic about Gurdjieff, Crowley, and others like them is that their aim is to augment the human being rather than align their will with the divine will of God. If they have a concept of the Absolute at all, then they only want to make contact with it to deify themselves as men; to realize their "human potential". They are prometheans attempting to steal fire. Such endeavor is vain and goes only one way, as do all forms of transhumanism which is really what this is. You might at first hold quarter for them because they may have been initiated into some group, or that they have knowledge of different states of being, and that does initially stand in contrast to some other forms of vulgar occultism such as chaos magic or hypnosis in which there is no concept of transcendent reality at all, but you will find that it's all part of the same thing. It's a perversion that leads to inversion. The Traditionalists are correct in thinking that esotericism outside of orthodox religion is heterodox. Tomberg became a Catholic, for Pete's sake. Of course, there are exceptions but they are exceptions.

[Anonymous No.20646046]

>>20645946
>What's satanic about Gurdjieff, Crowley, and others like them is that their aim is to augment the human being rather than align their will with the divine will of God
How do you know that they are all like this? I understand they seek things like deification and powers, but in order to attain truly divine powers ("magic" included) you must already be at a certain state above the human; i.e., unified with God. So doesn't this imply that they are still going upward and not inverting? Many do go downwards of course, moreso than go up I think. No doubt Crowley and others have inspired all kinds of counter-Tradition though.

Are you basically saying all magic is evil? Because there are ancient Priest-Kings who would have done it. These types of magical initiations were/are Traditionally valid and remained in the West once they had vanished from Egypt and other places, but maybe I am just putting words in your mouth.

[Anonymous No.20646120]

More like /larp/ general

[Anonymous No.20646145]

>>20645824
Indeed, tradchads made it onto a youtube vid that got 1.4mil views and was covered by all of the kosher crew over at (jewish-run) Google's (jewish-run) youtube. Well done, lads. Moving up in the world. Just kidding, I don't think it is wise to garner mainstream attention to Guenon, seeing as it is against the inherent elitism of Traditionalism.

[Anonymous No.20646155]

>>20644999
Guénon (pbuh) refuted syncretism as well as simplification like old = good, saying some people and religions are degenerations, like in africa

[Anonymous No.20646168]

>>20645042
Whitehead is just another kind of western reductionism. Borrowing from buddhism, he criticized the materialism of most westerners, only to use another arbitrary form of reductionism, that is, "processes". Instants, as well as atoms, are easily refuted.

[Anonymous No.20646180]

>>20644881
>Guenon
More like Kikenon

[Anonymous No.20646188]

>>20646046
There's a difference between the Platonic-Orphic-Egyptian lineage traditions of awakening to the unconditioned state and the modern occultist milieu which is rooted in Mesmer and Swedenborg; that stuff is simply mediumship. It doesn't matter of it's "ceremonial magic" like the Golden Dawn, witchcraft, satanism, new thought, theosophy, ufo cults, or just the entire new age. It's all mediumship, if it's not merely fraudulent. Christians are basically right in dismissing it all as demonic influence and possession. Dion Fortune and Crowley were mediums, Steiner was "clairvoyant" and so on. Then you have the broader counter-initatory involvement of these new age cults and the occult war waged against God and mankind by the international power elite through their secret societies and think tanks. Paul Foster Case of the Masonic "magical" (i.e. demoniacal hypnosis) organization the Builders of the Adytum has a book on the Great Seal of the United States and how Novus Ordo Seclorum refers to the imminent New World Order as brought about by groups such as his. Don't let them fool you into thinking that their "magic" is in any way related to the Sacral Kings of previous ages. They couldn't be any farther as they are quite the opposite.

[Anonymous No.20646202]

>>20646188
Ok yes, I agree.

[Anonymous No.20646269]

>>20646202
On this topic, I'd like to share an old thread someone shared with me before. This is proof that even though /lit/ was never good, sometimes highly qualified people would show up and make masterful contributions.
>>/lit/thread/S10502357

[Baron Dago No.20646842]

>>20645824
Yeah those types of threads are extremely fun. We had a bunch of them last summer and they were comfy as hell

[Baron Dago No.20646912]

>>20645498
Hmm interesting. Ya make a thread about it sometime.
Idk anything about his teachings desu
I think most people would classify him as closer to pseudo-traditional than anti-traditional.
pseud-trad contains forms of deviated esoterism, so if you can pierce through the BS you can sometimes find some gold nuggets in there

[Anonymous No.20646916]

send a friend request to Julianus#2309 and he will send you an invite to the guénon /lit/ discord server

[Anonymous No.20646918]

I’ve only read Spengler who I don’t think is a traditionalist in any real sense. What would you recommend? I have an interest in Platonism fwiw. I also try to read on Gnosticism and mysticism but it seems some of the Theosophists take liberties with material.

[Anonymous No.20646929]

>>20644881
literally looks like filthy frank

[Baron Dago No.20646932]

>>20646918
Read the Hindu core >>20645184
You will see there is some overlap with Spengler and Yuga cycles
Combining the two will lead to some unique insights

Actually check out the book Yuga by Marty Glass. That may be your best starting point.

[Anonymous No.20646956]

>>20646918
>What would you recommend?
Guenon (pbuh) of course. Start with Crisis.
>it seems some of the Theosophists take liberties with material
They were mostly the century-old version of witchtok larpers with crystals and, while I do enjoy reading Blavatsky just for kicks, you really shouldn't take that stuff too seriously lest you fall prey to counterinitiation. Treat it like you'd treat your average /x/phile who made a thread that's both absurdly retarded and still a fun read. Guenon has a whole book dedicated to btfoing them

[Anonymous No.20647110]

>>20645052
lol

[Anonymous No.20647982]

>>20645946
The comparison to Crowley is awry. In Beelzebub’s Tales (again, an admittedly off-putting name), you can find him repeatedly talking about “Our Common Father Endlessness,” “the will of our Common Father Endlessness”, “the sorrow, compassion and mercy of our Common Father Endlessness,” and the like, and — in the admittedly bizarre allegory and terminology used, as if Dante’s Divina Commedia were blended with Swift’s Gulliver’s Travels — the inscription placed over the gate to the Holy Planet Purgatory is, “Only he will be able to enter here who has placed himself into the position of other results of my creation.”

I believe Gurdjieff be an example of an intriguing possible “exception” you speak of, what seems like the “Promethean” overtones you speak of aside. Not a perfect human being, but a fascinatingly bizarre, deeply religious yet untraditional, unconventional human being, who seems to have authentically been what he claimed to be — someone who really wanted to seek the source of the divine, the miraculous, lying behind ordinary life and sometimes filtered through us as religions, then trying to benefit humanity through the results of his vast journeys and traveling.

[Anonymous No.20648407]

>>20645059
Lmao, I didn't know there was a story behind this line

[Anonymous No.20648421]

>>20645384
"They stole everything from the hindus, but they are the foundation of everything based amongst greeks so that's ok"

[Anonymous No.20648824]

Thoughts on Algis Uždavinys, Seyyed Hossein Nasr, and Henry Corbin?

[Anonymous No.20648832]

>>20648824
And also Eliade?

[Anonymous No.20648851]

>>20648824
Uzdavinys is interesting and seems to be basically a scholarly proponent of prisca theologia. Corbin is very interesting, especially his work on Iranian theosophy, like the Man of Light. Nasr is okay, I would read him only as a gateway to Schuon. I read one or two things by Nasr that made me think he is fairly limited outside the narrow scope of being a proselyte of Schuon.

[Anonymous No.20648878]

>>20646188
>There's a difference between the Platonic-Orphic-Egyptian lineage traditions of awakening to the unconditioned state and the modern occultist milieu which is rooted in Mesmer and Swedenborg;
The “Platonic-Orphic-Egyptian” thread is there in G., down to Orpheus and Egypt even playing roles in a text like BTTHG. And I’m not thickheadedly dodging the sense behind this of the awakening to a transcendent reality, to the numinous, to the Absolute, to the Godhead, either, by taking it so literally and simply pointing out that Orpheus and Egyptian history and tradition are literally mentioned by G. (although they also are literally mentioned by G.).

>“You must know that the learned beings then in Babylon, the members of the club of the Adherents-of-Legominism, were called by the other learned beings of that time who were well disposed towards them, as they also called themselves, by the name which your contemporary favorites would write as ‘Orpheist.’
>”This word is composed from two definite roots of words then in use, which in contemporary times would signify ‘right’ and ‘essence.’ If someone was called this, it meant that he ‘rightly sensed the essence.’
...
>”And it was the basis because it appeared in the word by which the learned mysterists were designated and also in the word which stood for a personality invented by the ancient Greeks, with whose name, as I have already said, one of the schools-of-art then existing had been connected; and the result of this was that the mentioned representatives of this terrestrial art of that time, with their already now quite bobtailed reason, thought that it was nothing more than the word indicating ‘the-followers-of-this-historical-personality-Orpheus,’ and as many of them did not regard themselves as his followers, then instead of the mentioned word they just invented the word artist.
(Chapter 30, Beelzebub going on a philological digression on how the word “artist” is a corruption from the word “Orpheist”)

>>20645946
> What's satanic about Gurdjieff, Crowley, and others like them is that their aim is to augment the human being rather than align their will with the divine will of God.
A quote by a student of Gurdjieff’s, Maurice Nicoll, who came to write fascinatingly beautiful, in-depth commentaries on subjects like Hermeticism, Neoplatonism, Christian theology and the Gospels specifically, and some of the psychological teachings of Gurdjieff and Ouspensky — a very brief and simple one.

>The object of all real esotericism is to connect Man with the will of God.
Maurice Nicoll

[Anonymous No.20648912]

Bros, I started from a position of detached kinda dilettantish Tradfaggotry where I wanted to find the 'Tradition' to integrate myself into, which still affirmed the legitimacy of the other traditional religions, but something has changed dramatically over the last year/year and a half. I read the sacred text, did some private worship and then began to see in a short period of time very prominent dreams and waking 'signs'. The most prominent to me was, in a moment of moral strain, opening said sacred text hoping to find an answer. And it did answer, almost exactly like the type of answer St. Augustine expressed to have happened to him in the garden.

I'm not sure about Guenon's prudish snobbery about 'exoteric' or simple religiosity anymore. Nor does perennialism in the sense of all religions being equally still valid seem correct. Have I, ironically, become truly Traditional in believing a religion's exclusive truth claim, rather than holding a promiscuous almost-New Age outlook that the Traditionalists asserted?

I can't see myself going in any other direction now, and it's getting scary.

[Anonymous No.20648966]

>>20648851
Could you tell me more about Iranian theosophy and the Man of Light? Sounds very interesting.

[Anonymous No.20649026]

>>20645549
This very phraseology (“left-hand path”) is more of a modern occultist innovation from Western esotericism (although there is the Sanskrit phrase of “Vamamarga,” which does literally mean left-handed way and refers to Tantric rites of worship often breaking traditional Vedic injunctions, such as through the eating of meat, sexual intercourse with Tantric consorts, and the ingestion of forbidden substances such as alcohol, the seeing of the bliss of Brahman in the grossest experiences), but was not quite or just what Gurdjieff was doing at all, in the crude sense of some occultist like Aleister Crowley. Service to others, to the world at large, and to God is there co-extensively with service to self (to speak in this relatively crude fashion), in a teaching such as of Gurdjieff’s. Gurdjieff’s teachings could more accurately could be conceived as containing aspects of both “the left-hand path” and “the right-hand path” — the former not in any sinister sense, but, like in traditions such as of the Navnath Sampradaya lineage of Hindu yogic teachings, and Kashmir Shaivism, where the path can be tread as a “householder” — “the way of the householder” — marrying, building up a career and the like — instead of strictly ascetically, the retreating to a monastery.

If you read BTTHG, though, for instance, you’ll see Gurdjieff rather old-fashionedly speaking about how modern innovations — of politics, of fashion, trends like feminism, scientism, atheism, occultism (such as schools like Anthroposophy and Theosophy, which he mentions by name) — are all a farrago destroying in civilization what he views as the natural, basically good impulses humanity should have of patriarchality and religiousness.

[Anonymous No.20649073]

>>20644913
M*rx was a disgusting bougie
GULAG

[Anonymous No.20649089]

>>20645858
Based, although nsdap was tranny larp

[Anonymous No.20649171]

>>20649089
If you don't see that image as just embarrassing, I don't know what to say.

[Baron Dago No.20649232]

>>20648824
Nasr is solid from the few texts I have read of his.
The Study Quran is good
>>20648912
>I read the sacred text
Elaborate

[Anonymous No.20649248]

Imagine actually believing in this shit beyond the aesthetics.

[Anonymous No.20649255]

I procured books and will start reading Evola and some history books early next year. I'm one of the /wg/ anons and one book I will start late next year after finishing some others will try to take a close look at Traditionalism applied to a fictional setting, likely historic fiction. From what I gathered on this board and from colleagues at work, these ideas are becoming more common and it only makes sense that fiction ought to show them. I hope to have some nice conversations about this once I understand more than surface level.

[Anonymous No.20649262]

>>20646168
Refute them.

[Anonymous No.20649281]

>>20649255
It's just trend shit. Don't waste your time.

[Anonymous No.20649321]

>>20649281
I don't think so. I've read enough history to see that the sentiment, in general, are not unique to what is called Traditionalism in the vein of Evola and Guenon. They are feelings very relevant to any civilization that is on the verge of collapse, or restructured as a society under a different civilization with bitter feelings toward the corruption of identity. This is why it interests me. I'd like to learn more about how it's viewed in terms of Western Civ but the universal application of it to reflect on the past I think will be valuable.

[Anonymous No.20649331]

>>20649321
It could definitely be interesting in a fictional setting with a deeper look at the matter, but the questioning of modernity is nothing new and you are unlikely to have "nice conversations" because no one actually cares anyway.

[Baron Dago No.20649339]

>>20649255
Setting: Occult underworld of Paris in the 1910s

Could be very based..

[Anonymous No.20649375]

>>20649331
In fiction it's not good to look at it from a high level view. So "questioning modernity" is more seen in terms of character conflict that exemplifies the issue. And by conversations I mean with people that actually do care about it. If real people in my life didn't I wouldn't have started reading Traditionalism but the fact is that people are beginning to care about it.
>>20649339
I was considering something outside of Western Civ to remove the readers bias, hopefully. Just about every historical fiction in the past 5 years is set in the past century.

[Baron Dago No.20649411]

>>20649339
Plot: Rene Guenon, the protagonist, is in search for organizations that will satisfy his longing for Transcendence…. Until one day he stumbles across the counter-initiation and its schemes

[Anonymous No.20649420]

>>20649171
I find your post embarrassing instead

[Baron Dago No.20649471]

>>20649171
It’s funny
Stop seething

[Anonymous No.20649495]

Is Sufism my only option for unitary as a westerner?

[Baron Dago No.20649546]

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1656806019705.webm

[Baron Dago No.20649569]

it's officially Evola hours on the /trad/ general

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t8IxXMi1Sw

[Anonymous No.20649593]

>>20649411
It's a Dan Brown novel but based.

[Anonymous No.20649814]

>>20649026
Thanks for the info. I meant lefthand path more in the sense of deliberately indulging in vices for transcendent purposes, as opposed to avoiding them for transcendent purposes. I didn't mean it in the sense of it being evil or bad or however it is used in Western Occultism. Maybe a better word would have been wet? Basically all I know of him is from Evola's book on modern spirituality. I think he described him as a form of lefthand path.

[Anonymous No.20649822]

Is it feasible to painstakingly stick to moral principles in kali yuga?

[Anonymous No.20649906]

Reminder that Evola has already set forth a Western Tradition totally separate from Kaballah meant for kings and emperors.

[Anonymous No.20649923]

>>20649906
There is no tradition separate from Qabala, my dude

[Anonymous No.20649940]

>>20649923
Yes there is, Hermetic Alchemy.

[Anonymous No.20649943]

>>20649940
Metabolism is tradition?

[Anonymous No.20649960]

>>20649943
Learn what you're talking about then come back.

[Anonymous No.20649970]

బుద్ధ

[Anonymous No.20650214]

What do the alchemists mean when they say that an early red preceding the white is a dangerous deviation?

[Anonymous No.20650360]

monke

[Anonymous No.20650363]

[Anonymous No.20650585]

How should a perennialist Muslim view explicit contradictions between different religions, like with the trinity and Jesus’ divinity. Since saying that the trinity is completely true would make you kafir, should you just view it as a inferior and somewhat wrong way to view God?

[Anonymous No.20650591]

>>20650360
He really doesn't look like a monkey

>>20650363
That guy right

[Anonymous No.20650621]

Guenon teaches that you should desire personal oblivion. The afterlife is just you losing your identity and fusing with the Absolute, with is Being, Consciousness, Bliss, but ultimately only secondarily. In other words, you fuse with the void like in Buddhism but Advaitins call it by a different word.

[Anonymous No.20650761]

>>20650621
did he say anything about hell and who goes there?

[Anonymous No.20650763]

>>20650621
So? Isn't it what the Quran means when it says "you are from Allah and onto Him you return"? Not to mention Fana, Moksha, Nirvana, Platonic return to the One, etc. Seems to be a very universal notion.

[Anonymous No.20650792]

>>20650763
Fana is just a temporary purgatative/sometimes ectastic state. You're a dilettante.