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20571547 No.20571547 [Reply] [Original]

He was basically right about everything, wasn't he?

>> No.20571553

>>20571547
More like wrong about everything

>> No.20571558

>>20571553
explain

>> No.20571576

>>20571558
read Aristotle and all subsequent philosophy

>> No.20571593

>>20571576
subsequent philosophy just tries to reinvent Plato or go into schizo-babble by taking knowledge and words for granted, hoping people will be emotionally moved by their writing.

>> No.20571601

>>20571593
Nope all philosophy since ancient Greece has been attempts to restore sanity after Plato's autism set intellectual development back centuries.

>> No.20571642

>>20571601
Explain.

>> No.20571686

>>20571547
He was the original based retard.

>> No.20571692

>>20571642
Platonism introduced all sorts of silliness from the valuing of reason over empirical evidence, irrelevant forms of argumentation, illogical allegories and all of this became enshrined through the rise of Neo-Platonism which interestingly enough coincided with a lack of technological and intellectual progress. Only its gradual unraveling by Aristotelians and successive philosophers has begun to repair all of this damage.

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20571706

>>20571547
In general terms, yes, of course.

>> No.20571742

>>20571547
Numbers aren't real. Guess Plato never took chemistry 101.
Any chem teacher worth is salt would see a paper that says "6/2=3" and ask them the very sensible question "Three what? Feet? Apples? Dogs?"

>> No.20571744

>>20571692
With the halting of empiricism providing thorough explanations, it seems to have aged well at the moment.

>> No.20571786

>>20571692
yes, we live in a much better world now with feminist philosphers writing treatises on manspreading, and philosophers on quantum mechanics inventing new particles to make their math equations work

>> No.20571791

/plato/ won
/qa/ won

>> No.20571813

>>20571593
Plato is schizo-babble.

>> No.20571838

>>20571786
Feminism is the Platonism of modernity.

>> No.20571841

>>20571547
When you argument like him it's difficult to be wrong. Take for example his classification of humans. He continually narrows the scope of what humans are by creating sets of objects inheriting property a or not property a. For example bi pedal or not bi pedal. After walking down a long chain of properties unique to humans he creates a second totally different chain achieving the same effect and concludes that humans are essentially unclassifiable. He has only proven that the first set of properties is not the only set of properties unique to humans. Both sets of properties can uniquely identify a human. Example property set A could be ten fingered, large brained mammals (3 properties) and set B could be conscious, moving mammals. Both sets are unique to humans, both could be used to define humans. Maybe I missed the point, and I admit his valuable contributions to human thought the biggest of which is the 3 men in the cave in my opinion. But I also think he is a lot like the sophists which he dispises and that his political philosophy is extremely naive.

>> No.20571843

Heraclitus better

>> No.20571865

>>20571547

Aristotle killed Plato then Kant brought Plato back and killed Aristotle then Nietzche brought back Aristotle it's an endless cycle and if you want a decent life you choose the Aristotle side

>> No.20572006

>>20571547
I haven't read anything by him but he was probably wrong

>> No.20572082

>>20572006
Most honest Anti-Platonist

>> No.20572397

>>20571576
Aristotle is compatible with Plato.
>>20571547
No, he wasn't right about everything, ideal entities are eidetic ones, not ideal representations of individual2nawrs.

>> No.20572455

>>20571786
You should read philosophy before trying to reduce it to american soc-dem liberal sophistry.
Also, you need to be 18+.

>> No.20572663

>>20572397
>Aristotle is compatible with Plato
Meds now.

>> No.20572683

>>20571553
Fpbp

>> No.20572697

>>20572663
> Aristotle was considered as a serious candidate for succession of the Academy despite not following Platonic doctrines.
Mate you are the one who should probably slow down on the meds.

>> No.20572719

>>20571547
<Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.

>> No.20572859

>>20572697
Explain

>> No.20572863

>>20571547
Diogenes > Plato

>> No.20573059

>>20571547

he was wrong about communal ownership of private property, sharing women, no one knowing who is the father of kids because women are passed around and fucked by everybody, and having children taken away from their parents to be raised by the state

basically, he was wrong about everything he liked about Sparta

>> No.20573146

>>20571865
>Kant revived Plato
Kill yourself

>> No.20573878

>>20573059
>he was wrong about communal ownership of private property, sharing women, no one knowing who is the father of kids because women are passed around and fucked by everybody, and having children taken away from their parents to be raised by the state

When I read this I wondered what the fuck was wrong with him and what people saw in him.

Then I read the scraps of aristotle we have left and it actually helped solve some of the things I was trying to figure out regarding modern political discussions. Pretty crazy.

>> No.20573900

>>20571742
you can think about a number as a condensed numeric symbol of the literal 'word'. so word = 1 then therefore to answer your question it would be word word word, or just 3 which are three 1's

>> No.20574080

>>20571547
Platonic forms are pretty based.

>> No.20574110

>>20571692
>Platonism introduced all sorts of silliness from the valuing of reason over empirical evidence, irrelevant forms of argumentation, illogical allegories
None of this is actually silly, you just disagree with it and think anything you disagree with is silly. In other words, bias.
>which interestingly enough coincided with a lack of technological and intellectual progress
Neo-Platonism reached its pinnacle right at the time humanity reached its (relative) technological apex of the classical period. That's not to imply Neo-Platonism was the cause of technological advancement, but you're flat out wrong. Neo-Platonism declined with the rise of Christianity and the decline of the Empire (the "dark ages").

>> No.20574208

>>20572863
Explain

>> No.20574209

>>20574208
I do not think there I am not