[ 3 / biz / cgl / ck / diy / fa / ic / jp / lit / sci / vr / vt ] [ index / top / reports ] [ become a patron ] [ status ]
2023-11: Warosu is now out of extended maintenance.

/lit/ - Literature


View post   

File: 12 KB, 341x418, schopenhauer-and-kant-comic.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
20525336 No.20525336 [Reply] [Original]

ITT: we discuss Metaphysics, and works pertaining to it.

>> No.20525351

Where are my monist chads?

>> No.20525354

What I feel like is an essential German Metaphysics reading list:
1. The Critique of Pure Reason by Kant.
2. Schopenhauer's dissertation on the Principle of Sufficient Reason.
3. The World as Will and Representation by the same author.
4. On the Will in Nature by Schopenhauer

Then you may start with the Greeks.

>> No.20525378

Does God factually exist outside the human mind? No.
What happens when man dies? Cessation of consciousness.
Are there worlds other than this? No.
Then why are we conscious?

>> No.20525398

>>20525378
>why are we conscious?
That's like asking why there is something instead of nothing.

>> No.20525408

>>20525354
no Hegel?

>> No.20525419

>>20525336
I'm finishing Hume. Will read Critique after it. How long did it take you to read the critique? did you take notes?

>> No.20525427

>>20525378
>Then why are we conscious?
i'm gonna play devil's advocate andsay that the "why" is someting a subject needs but not the object in itself, that is, existence itself is beyond the necessity of reasons, is the mind the one who needs to think about "why" a thing is how it is, in that sense there just things that exist beyond the capacity of articulation of the mind, so the "why" itself is just not an adequate tool to meditate on the nature of existence

>> No.20525481

>>20525408
No, Hegel is refuted by both Kant and Schopenhauer.

>>20525419
It doesn't take long to get the main idea, meditating it takes longer. I didn't take notes, but I do reread it from time to time to remember key passages better.

>> No.20525493

Stirner is all you need
Stirner is all you want to read

>> No.20525513

>>20525336
Where are my monist chads?

>> No.20525537

>>20525513
What's your angle?

>> No.20525631

>>20525481
how did Schopenhauer refuted Hegel?

>> No.20525632

>>20525537
45°

>> No.20525655

>>20525631
he didn't like women while Hegel most likely did

>> No.20525762

>>20525408
he is clearly a schopenhauer fanboy so yeah, no hegel.

>>20525493
stirner is a spook.

>> No.20525769

could anyone here summarize what metaphysics meant to:
>husserl
>kant
>schopenhauer
>hegel
>hidegger

>> No.20525879
File: 12 KB, 231x302, Husserl.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
20525879

>>20525769
>could anyone here summarize what metaphysics meant to:
>>husserl
Early Husserl (1892/93) characterized metaphysics as 1) the ultimate science of reality and 2) the reconsideration of the world of nature and ideas from the ethical, teleological and theological point of view " [...]the irrationality of the transcendental fact that emerges in the constitution of the factual world and of spiritual life: thus, metaphysics in a new sense" (HUA VII p188).
In the LI (1898/99), he further justifies the necessity of metaphysics by defining the essential incompleteness of empirical sciences and thus legitimizes a need to go beyond them. He claims amongst other things that epistemology (or the "theory of knowledge") and metaphysics are the two interrelated building blocks of all philosophy, despite epistemology acting as a more fundamental source of axiomatization.
This superiority of epistemology over metaphysics, the entirety of the philosophical world has understood it, except Germain Idealists, Husserl claims. This is why it is barren and condemned to obscurity and degeneration, which is a good thing. However, it also justifies the dismissal of properly regulated metaphysics, which itself condemns modern scientific endeavors to aimlessness.

>> No.20526006

>>20525354
That's just Schopenhauer fanboy reading list and like the pseud you are you managed to not include 2 of his best works, the one of Freedom and the one on Morality.

>> No.20526008
File: 829 KB, 640x960, kek.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
20526008

>>20525879
In 1905 Husserl adds a few definitions at the end of Urteilstheorie Vorlesung.
> 1) Pure logic is the science of truth and objectivity in general (mathesis universalis)
> 2) The theory of knowledge is the science of the relations between (truth and objectivity) and (judging and knowing truth and objectivity).
> 3) Material metaphysics is the science of being both in the general sense and in the specific sense of specific sciences.
> 4) Phenomenology of knowledge, the *descriptive* practice of exploration of the essence of thought, which is the only ground of resolution for the problems paused by the theory of knowledge.
> and 5) Formal metaphysics, being the reunion of 1) and 2), which is a special part of metaphysics that operates without presuppositions of being at all, which predicts Husserl's milestone commitment to transcendental idealism later.

>> No.20526089

>>20526008
I love that meme