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Any readings on the modern Chinese political landscape? No comprehensive English bio of Xi has been written yet

>> No.20470384

>>20470378
No. Watch videos on bilibili, unironically.

>> No.20470389

The Governance of China I, II, and III

>> No.20470812

>>20470378
No comprehensive bio of Xi has ever been written. The ones in existence are mostly fabrications.

Considering that, after his father was essentially a political exile, he grew up in a dirt poor farming commune. He is barely educated and all his 'politcal thought' much like Mao's is just written by the usual communist committees and only exists to provide legitmacy to a autocratic and military-led regime.

>> No.20470858

>>20470378
Learn about Mao and Xiaoping first.
>>20470384
this

>> No.20470906

https://files.catbox.moe/xie7j2.pdf
I enjoyed this book, if you have a little understanding of Marx.

>> No.20470909

who the fuck cares about Changs and Pings

>> No.20471045

>>20470906
>For Domenico Losurdo
>Let me begin with a quotation from Mao Zedong
SOVL...

>> No.20471108

>>20470909
Your local mechanic better care.

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>>20470378
The best I've found. The author really knows his shit about both China and marxism.

>> No.20472460

>>20470858
>Learn about Mao and Xiaoping first.
Recommendations?

>> No.20472477

>>20470812
Mao was a great writer, he was part of the political vanguard of his time

>> No.20472493

>>20470378
probably because anybody who tries gets disappeared.

>> No.20472501

>>20470378
how modern?

>> No.20472551

There isn't and won't be one because the Chinese political landscape is so totally foreign as to be unintelligible to Western academics.

In the West, you have factions, and these factions have ideologies. An ideology is an intellectual packet that justifies doing a bunch of stuff that a faction wants. Some of this is just simple greed, but some of it is a genuine belief that the world would be better if X, Y, and Z. This works because Westerners see people as being part of Organizations. Family, tribe, clan, workplace, profession, sports team, so on and so forth. How you interact with another human is determined by which Organization you are acting with him as a member of (this is why there are political arguments at Thanksgiving, as you switch from seeing your sister as part of the "family" Organization to part of the "Leftist" Organization).

That's not how China works. The Chinese see people as nodes composed of overlaid relationships: You are a son to a father, a brother to a sister, a son to a mother, an employee to a dragon dildo factory owner, a student to a teacher, so on and so forth. How you interact with someone is based on how you are interacting with someone as per their relationship (this is why Chinks have multiple names; ideally, they have a different name for each relationship type). To that end, Chinese society is all about connections (the so called "guanxi") because when you are in a relationship it is required for both parties to fulfill their end. China thus doesn't have factions centered around ideology, but rather on relationships, usually centered on either mutual agency or patron-client.

States are based on giving a select demographic something, and China as it is is based around giving stuff to the Red Princes (the descendants of the original soldiers who fought with Mao). Political conflict in China is not based around competing visions of the world like in the West, but rather on competing benevolence structures. This means that politics can't really be cleanly demarcated as two dudes who hate each other (and thus have millions of toadies in their benevolence structure who also hate each other) can suddenly become best friends because they negotiated joint ownership of a railroad or something like that. It's just an extreme form of gossip, and the only way to understand it is to be plugged in AND speak Chinese, and if you have both why would you ever write academic articles or monographs on this stuff instead of keeping your fucking mouth shut so as to not get assassinated?

There IS political ideology in China, but it is just the field in which the traditional Chinese method of politics is played.

>> No.20472622

>>20470378
>Any readings on the modern Chinese political landscape
no

>> No.20472698

>>20472622
Why?

>> No.20472955

>>20472501
21st century. I'd like to know more about Xi and and China's current direction
>>20472698
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2021/01/xi-jinping-china-biography/617852/

>> No.20473010

>>20472460
I don't know about Deng, but you should definitely learn about Mao by reading his own works.

On Contradiction, On Practice, The New Democracy and Quotations from Chairman Mao should be more than enough to paint a clear picture of him and his thought.

>> No.20473024

>>20472955
I only know about the Qing dynasty and the early Republic/People's Republic, can't help you

>> No.20473069

>>20470812
>all his 'politcal thought' much like Mao's is just written by the usual communist committees
Wrong. Mao, Lenin and Trotsky wrote all that stuff and they're, unironically, such good writers I get sad with the fact they went into politics.

>> No.20473147

>>20470378

>No comprehensive English bio of Xi has been written yet

Yeah, because he's still alive lol.

>> No.20473248

>>20470384
fpbp

>> No.20473316

>>20472551
interesting stuff. anywhere i can read more?

>> No.20473328

>>20473147
A proper taoistic scholar should be able to read out the coming decades with star constellations and yarrow stalks.
I'm sure Xi already has it all written down.

>> No.20473509

>>20473147
Some of the best biographies have been written while the subject was still alive.

>> No.20473543

>>20472551
fascinating, riveting.

>MOAR1!

>> No.20473562

>>20472551
thanks

>> No.20473594

>>20472551
>the Chinese political landscape is so totally foreign as to be unintelligible to Western academics
>Proceeds to write a novel-length post on /lit/ on the Chinese political landscape
How exactly do you purport to know what you do?

>> No.20473937

>>20473594
I am not an academic. It's not that Westerners cannot understand stuff about China, nor the opposite. It's that Western academia is set up in a manner that cannot accept the nature of various topics, many of which pertain to China but only as a specific (that is, they also apply to the West, we're just talking about China). For example, Western academia cannot understand biological differences between races. It's not that people can't understand this, it's that accepting this basic premise is an attack on other basic premises that are held by Western academia.

There's stuff in China that their academia (and thus polite society) just simply cannot acknowledge without self immolating as well.

>>20473316
>>20473543
Check out Fei Xiaotong's "From the Soil". It's hugely popular in China. It's a look at China using the West as a comparison (and thus we can do the opposite using it). It's important to note, and the book clarifies this, that "Relationship vs Organization thinking" is a spectrum with extremes at both ends, and rural (peasant) China is an extreme of the relational mode, and Middle Class America is an extreme of the Organizational mode. Interestingly, Fei predicted Trannyism back in 1947.

>>20472955
The CCP is really concerned with the problem of "historical nihilism", which is basically a rejection of the actions that created the CCP. "The revolution just wasn't worth it". To that end, the CCP is trying to fellate the Red Princes (because they desperately want to abandon ship and go live in hedonistic luxury in the West). They thus use ideology to, in a Legalistic ploy, alter reality such that the Red Princes HAVE to stay in China, or they will lose out. Historical Nihilism is combatted by, simply put, giving people stuff. This is often understood realized through economic growth and opulence. This is where stuff like "Ghost Cities" comes from. China HAS to keep growing because the CCP's existence is predicated on the Party coming in and very violently upending China for the promise of a better future. Xi's reign is about trying to keep that promise alive.

This could all get upended, but that's how I've seen it thus far.

>> No.20473948

https://chuangcn.org/journal/two/an-adequate-state/

>> No.20474227

>>20472551
Sounds like a really long convoluted way of saying chinks are just a nation of 13 year old girls

>> No.20474623

https://www.readingthechinadream.com/

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>>20472551
>Gweilos can't even comprehend LE CONFUCIAN nested obligations or such complex concepts as informal bureaucracy, clientelism, and rent-seeking.
atrocious post

>> No.20475179

>>20473937
please dont stop. this is so fascinating and perfectly written (i have le bonur)

>> No.20475193

>>20472551
>Westerners see people as being part of Organizations. Family, tribe, clan, workplace, profession, sports team, so on and so forth. How you interact with another human is determined by which Organization you are acting with him as a member of

>The Chinese see people as nodes composed of overlaid relationships: You are a son to a father, a brother to a sister, a son to a mother, an employee to a dragon dildo factory owner, a student to a teacher, so on and so forth.

How are these different? Sounds the same to me.

>> No.20475950

>>20473937
How did you learn what you know? Just reading? Studying in China?

>> No.20476063

Thank fucking god no anglo bio has been written yet because you know damn well it'd just be RFA McNews information repackaged into a propaganda manual for why we should go to war with these guys. Same shit they're doing with Putin - suddenly everyone is so eager to know who Putin really is and if his mom ever really loved him as if that's what wars depend on, but ofc the normie shitlib population eat it all up because they've been trained to think through hollywood/shitflix Kulturindustrie that real life wars work like those in marvel movies where the good guys beat the villain who had a rough past with the hammer of justice and the blast of shit.
Because that's what biographies about political leaders essentially are: full of unverified information that you could as easily read up on Wikipedia compressed into a grand narrative that the author pulled out of his worthless political science degree. Only autobiographies are worth reading, all others are just useless.

>> No.20476076

>>20470812
Sounds based af.

>> No.20478092

Bump

>> No.20478310

>>20476063
This is just a problem of these people still being alive and active in international politics. Same reason why the actually good biographies of US presidents come out decades, if not more than a century after they left the office. The closer a person, state, or event is to the present, the less objective people can evaluate it.

>> No.20478756

>>20472551
You fucking retard. All of this is wrong. You don't understand either Western politics OR Chinese politics.

>> No.20478784

>>20470812
Does Xi actually know chemistry? Xi's at least defintely wicked cultured in classical literature and political classics. Trump knows Xi is smarter.

>> No.20478808

>>20473069
All charlatans that can write high-sounding nonsense are going to be exceptionally good at politics.
Or well, also being a good talker like Hitler works fantastic, but the concept is the same. Manipulate emotions in people and they will follow.

>> No.20478927

>>20478756
How's he wrong?

>> No.20479350

>>20473937
>There's stuff in China that their academia (and thus polite society) just simply cannot acknowledge without self immolating as well.
Give us a few examples.

>> No.20479362

>>20475193
The Western society's Organizations are transcendent bodies that exist separate from their constituent members. Corporate Personhood is an example of this, but you also have the King's Two Bodies, the very idea of how Westerners conceptualize countries (See: John Bull, Marianne, Uncle Sam), and of course the entire idea of Criminal vs Civil Law (remember, it is not the victim that brings a case against the defendant, but the State). This necessitates a Constitution (which does not have to be written) to arbitrate out the Rights given to a member. If you don't like that, you get shunted into a body within a body (for example, "The HR Department") wherein the specific means of interaction between the various internal bodies is codified, meaning that you have Rights within Rights. You need Rights however to make this worth your while, as otherwise you have no means of interacting with the Organizations and can just get shit on by them. No one will play the game unless they know the rules.

In China, however, that only applies in specific scenarios in urban zones. Most of the West no longer operates according to the "Relational Mode" due to the radical deterritorialization of Modernity and all that, but we used to do it, make no mistake. It's just that we have gotten really fucking good at the Organizational Mode, and Capitalism can more easily interface with that (Fei has his own theories as to why).

It is important here to recognize that there are no transcendent bodies, however. A family can only be understood as a series of relationships, not a transcendent body. This leads to, for example, Chinks having only very loose analogues to Western ideas of race or nation (they have their own dialogues and dialectics concerning these things, but they are different from those that Westerners have). Their Relational mode, ironically, is what allows them to hold China together where a Western nation would implode.

>>20474790
See >>20473937. WESTERNERS can get this. WESTERN ACADEMIA cannot ADMIT that this stuff is the case because if it does so then it will actively say that Western Academia's founding myths are wrong. Western Academia cannot even admit that it IS a bureaucracy, nor can it admit that it exists to fuel Elsevier's rent seeking, and you want them to go writing articles about these topics? Come the fuck on, anon. This isn't a hard concept.

>>20478756
>the chinese don't understand china!
Take it up with the Chinks bro.

>> No.20479395

>>20478927
No

>> No.20479587

>>20479350
Well, for starters, The Party, the fact that Hegelianism is a crock of shit, Whig History being a crock of shit, and infinite growth being impossible. There's also a lot of stuff about the specific history of the CCP itself that is just completely disallowed. A lot of this is weird Lefty theory bullshit that is just obviously wrong but was declared a heresy and is thus off the table, or pointing out that the CCP's hagiography of such and such CCP "martyr" is so far detached from reality that it might as well be totally fictitious. Another, perhaps more notable one to a Western audience, is that the Revolution according to the CCP was entirely Chinese in origin and was prosecuted entirely by the Chinese with zero outside influence outside of moral support. This is obviously incorrect, and the reason the CCP takes this obviously absurd line is that you can make a good case that Communism is actually just the latest of Humiliations that the West has heaped on China.

And of course there's the (((issue))) as well, which is really just my last point above but more abstract: Chinese academia cannot engage with Western history except through the lens of Left Hegelianism, which as stated is wrong, and that means that the CCP cannot engage with Western history except through a very infantile and very materialist lens. Because there is only one single Arc of history the CCP is required to reject any kind of trends or processes in Western history (and their own) that cannot be easily bent to that Arc of history. It leads to a lot of "spotiness" in Chinese analyses of Western history, wherein they are very good at seeing through Western bullshit, but then cannot piece together large periods of time (officially, of course, the Chinese as people are totally capable of getting our history, they just can't admit that they do).

>> No.20479640

>>20479587
Good posts Chinkbro. Where are you from if you don't mind me asking? Also, what do you think of the future? It's true that a cold war is brewing, what will China do? Does the CCP and the populace wants to go back to glory of the imperial era or not? Tldr: What do you think of the future in general?

>> No.20479650

>>20479587
A lot of this sounds like what you'd see from a fundamentalist religion. Maybe that's why communism can't abide other religions, because it is one itself, or an imitation of one.

>> No.20479722

>>20479640
Canadian. I'm not Chinese.

How are we not already in a cold war? The world economy was already made to crash just to get the West from weaning off China as a factory.

>> No.20480871

>>20479587
>Well, for starters, The Party, the fact that Hegelianism is a crock of shit, Whig History being a crock of shit, and infinite growth being impossible

You sound like a Western liberal.

>> No.20480992

>>20470378
https://palladiummag.com/2021/10/11/the-triumph-and-terror-of-wang-huning/

This article is not an explicit explanation of what you're looking for, but it is extremely interesting and certainly valuable for learning more about the Chinese political landscape.

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This was a fun read but it's more about economics than politics, though it does have some insight into corruption

>> No.20481162

>>20470378
Xi has barely been president for ten years. That’s pretty short compared to other chinese leaders.

>> No.20481201

>>20479587
Bumping this question >>20475950

>> No.20481230

China is a meme, there will be no "Chinese century" and chinks are unironically not human. When Western capitalism collapses, China will collapse like 45 minutes later.

>> No.20481388

>>20481230
Why? Because you're insecure and wish it to be true? China's collapse hasn't happened the last 30x you retarded mutts seethed about it.

>> No.20481398

>>20479587

Do you think that China flooding the west with Fentanyl is revenge for the century of humiliation.

>> No.20481407

>>20481388
Because China's life force is symbiotically linked to the health of the west. Their money, innovation, and security are all inextricably dependent on whether New York and London stay afloat. Chinks can exploit the west all they want, and take away jobs from the white middle class, but they are too dumb to see that this is bad for them in the long run because they are a member of the western capitalist system which is been accelerating since the 1500s and when that burns itself out (and it will), they die too. I'm sure the smart ones know that what they are doing is untenable in the long term so they are just trying to party while they can, but most of them genuinely think that there is going to be some delusional paradigm shift where bugmen chinks take over the world. This hubris is why every other system of exploitation has collapsed and it's why they will be no different.
Seethe more Chang.

>> No.20481884

>>20472551
>>20479362
Why are people itt impressed by this? Even if it isn't wrong it's just normal /pol/ shit written by a senior undergrad

>> No.20481932

>>20473010
This is horrible advice!
By reading Mao (or Lenin) you will only learn what their idealism was and not how their politics were implemented.
Unless you want to become cadre of leftist niche group, that would proper way to do it.

>> No.20481976

>>20481884
/lit/ has always been colonized by /pol/ brainlets
but still don't be hard on people here, this is all probably based on vision of that poster has acquired while reading some theories of westoid academic who doesn't speak chinese and his analysis of china. That academic sells this shit and build carrier on it.

>> No.20482206

>>20470909
Everyone loves Pingchong

>> No.20482489

>>20478784
He does, I think. Before becoming more of an urban communist, he was a party cadre in some village and he helped set up the first biogas industrial machine. In that memri.tv interview of him, he talks about that.

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>>20470378

>> No.20482542

>>20481884
>>20481976
If it's so middling, give some pointed rebuttals. All the objections have been from low IQ ideologues so far.

>>20481407
Why? The West burned out before and it turned out medieval China didn't need it. And look at Russia's boycott from NATO. It only got richer laughing at the skyrocketed oil prices. I'm not Chinese but you should seethe and mald less.

>> No.20482556

>>20470378
>Xi was initially married to Ke Lingling, the daughter of Ke Hua, China's ambassador to the United Kingdom in the early 1980s
>after the divorce Ke moved to England
>his children live in England too
China is a British colony and Xi is a British asset, that's everything you need to know

>> No.20482569

>>20482542
>And look at Russia's boycott from NATO. It only got richer
Well I certainly DID NOT get richer.
t. Russian

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>>20470378
The third volume covers Deng Xiaoping up to the present and is written by a Chinaman.
>Wu Guoyou was born in 1957 in Kailu, Inner Mongolia. A doctoral researcher, he has studied in the Department of Political History of Inner Mongolia Normal University for Nationalities and Marxist-Leninist Thought of Jilin University and the School of Political Science and Law of the Northeast Normal University, and he holds a postgraduate degree and a doctorate in Law. After graduating with a Master’s degree in 1990, he worked at the Jilin Academy of Social Sciences and has successively served as deputy director of the Institute of Sociology and director of the Deng Xiaoping Theory Research Center. In 1998, he was transferred to the Party History Research Office of the CPC Central Committee and engaged in the study of the CPC’s history in the new era. In August 2002, he was appointed Assistant Director of the Third Research Department of the Party History Research Office of the CPC Central Committee. In July 2005, he was appointed Deputy Director of the No. 3 Research Department of the Party History Research Department of the CPC Central Committee. In October 2010, he was appointed Director of the No. 3 Research Department of the Party History Research Office of the CPC Central Committee. He also served as a member of the National Association of Party Construction Studies and the Chinese Communist Party History Society. In July 2012, he was appointed Director of the No. 2 Research Department of the Party History Research Office of the CPC Central Committee. His publications include Science and Technology and China’s Cross-Century Social Development, An Overview of Deng Xiaoping’s Strategy to Build a Moderately Well-off Society, and The “Three Represents” The Great Achievements of the Party’s Guiding Thoughts in Keeping Pace with the Times, along with more than 50 papers. He has also written, edited, and co-authored more than ten books, including A History of China’s Reform and Opening up Policy, The New Theory of Mao Zedong Thought, and The Whole History of the Long March of the Red Army (Volume III).

>> No.20482809

>>20482569
Russia's Jewish oligarch, some opposed to Israel, are still in power.

>> No.20483102

>>20482809
Putin's Jewish too, his mother's last name is SHALOMova

>> No.20483551

>>20481407
>take away jobs from the white middle class
China didn't make your traitorous capital class move their operations overseas, the desire for greater profit margins did, and China presented itself as the only shithole mudhut country that could reasonably get its act together to reliably make money for investors (compared to, say, central Africa or India). Your hatred is misplaced my friend, and cheering on their collapse due to committing to the western capitalist system only shows your own acceptance that you too will fall - is the only joy in your life really sourced from seeing others fail?

>> No.20484553

>>20480871
>Liberal
>rejecting Whig History
>believing infinite growth to be impossible
Sounds like you have brain worms.

>>20481398
In an abstract sense there are Chinks who have made this comparison, I've seen quotes noticing this from people in Wang Huning's circles, and I would not imagine that the comparison is lost on the bigwigs in China's chemical industry, but the problem with this is that the Chinese aren't flooding the West with fentanyl, Jews are. The Chinese are selling fentanyl because Jews expend energy to create a market for it (see: the Sacklers), but if the US weren't run by Jews then it wouldn't have this market and the Chinese wouldn't have anyone to sell it to. When the Brits came to China they just turned up the dial on an existing market in China, but there is no Fentanyl market in the US in absence of Jewish power. A lot of the stuff itself also comes from Mexico, not just China. It's part of the broader petroleum industry. It's also not nearly as bad as the Opium problem in China was.

>>20475950
Reading books, listening to those who know more than me, and looking at how Chinks see themselves and the world.

>>20479650
I'd agree. I think that there is a large difference between what a Chink and what an American mean by "Communism", but in either case I would absolutely agree about "Communism" being a religion.

>>20481407
Just to comment on this: I agree with the situation, but I disagree with the assessment that the CCP isn't aware of it. They know this, they seethe about it, and they desperately want to change it. The problem is that the CCP's legitimacy rests on an incredibly violent birth that lead to a period of prosperity, and decoupling from the US will be perceived as going backwards (and thus lead to a loss of legitimacy) if it results in a period of privation. China will try to pivot to being the Oriental end of a sort of three-petaled neo-byzantine world as America, and with it the rest of the New World, enters a period of decline. The question is going to be if the CCP can pull it off. If it can't, then it's time for a New Dynasty. The People's Republic was declared in 1949, average Chinese dynasty is 200ish years, a flat 200 years is 2149, that's a long fucking time. And again, what does "A New Dynasty" even mean today? A return to monarchy? A new Party? What will it mean ~120 years from now?

>> No.20484568

>>20470384
Elaborate. Which videos?

>> No.20484600

>>20481884
this board is so deprived of attention anything resembling an effort post is consumed post haste