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[Anonymous No.20451172]

Thoughts on Michel Foucault and his philosophy/views?

[Anonymous No.20451395]

>Around this time of this picture I was warning Foucault about Aids. When I first told him about the disease he said: “Oh that's perfect Edmund: you American puritans, you’re always inventing diseases. And one that singles out blacks, drug users and gays – how perfect!” Gay rights had been so hard to fight for that Aids felt like a real reversal. It just seemed to be too perfect for him to believe in it. I tried to insist that it was real despite its ideological aspects.

[Anonymous No.20451447]

>>20451395
I get his sentiment but I often go back and forth over the wuflu myself

[Anonymous No.20451524]

>>20451395
Is not having poop butt sex with new men every night sort of like a vaccine against AIDS?

[Anonymous No.20451582]

>>20451395
Kek, maybe the puritans were right.

[Anonymous No.20452265]

>>20451172
He understands Nietzsche.

[Anonymous No.20452281]

Everything he ever wrote was in pursuit of justification of sodomizing young teen boys

[Anonymous No.20452356]

>>20451172
>>20452265
Does he apply slave morality to mental health and sexuality?

[Anonymous No.20452369]

>>20451395
Ironic that for a guy whose entire career was dedicated to relativism and the instability of concepts over time, he met his match after a run in with cold hard biological reality.

[Anonymous No.20453566]

>>20452369
>man is hounded by demons his entire life
>some fat retard laughs at him when they finally suck out the last drop of life from him

[Anonymous No.20453584]

>>20453566
The man was a demon he wasn't hounded by them. Besides I'm sure he'd laugh at his own ironic death too

[Anonymous No.20453603]

>>20451172
Hmm I'm thinking gay (bad)

[Anonymous No.20453613]

>>20453566
Cry more, homo

[Anonymous No.20453619]

>>20453584
>>20453613
John 8:7

[Anonymous No.20453627]

>>20451172
i like quoting him to seem cool but really i dunno wtf he was on about

[Anonymous No.20453628]

>>20452369
It's like rain on your wedding day!

[Anonymous No.20453636]

>>20453619
Try reading the Bible and not the Talmud, fag.

[Anonymous No.20453679]

>>20451395
lmao btfo by reality

[Anonymous No.20454413]

>>20453619
John 8:11

[Anonymous No.20454442]

Does anyone have that quote of Chomsky or someone talking about Foucault not having any morality? It might've been something else but I believe it was Chomsky who said it.

[Anonymous No.20454610]

>>20451172
A Nietzsche ripoff, but he’s right about everything

[Anonymous No.20454711]

>>20451172
>Pedo
>French

[Anonymous No.20454718]

He was often accused of being crypto right wing by far left and marxist academics.

This is because he believed in the priority of the individuals autonomy and the elimination of all heteronomous forces.

He would often mock and belittle marxists in interviews even though he was a fairly noncommitted marxist in his youth.

He said he was mostly influenced by Heidegger (historicism) and he didn't care to much about morality, though his works seem to be implicitly altruistic.

He didnt have sex with little Algerian boys, thats generally considered an unsubstantiated smear. French intellectuals like Andre Giďe that were pederasts were forthcoming about it.

Jordan Peterson, Douglas Murray and other culture war right wing psuedo-intellectuals are dishonest or too stupid to know even the basics.

[Anonymous No.20455061]

>>20454718
>He would often mock and belittle marxists in interviews even though he was a fairly noncommitted marxist in his youth.
i want examples that sounds great

[Anonymous No.20455082]

How come people shitpost constantly about homosexuality/pederasty in Foucault threads but not ancient Greek philosophy threads, Wittgenstein threads, etc? Homosexuality isn't a big part of Foucault's writing.

[Anonymous No.20455097]

>>20454442
Yeah it was Chomsky. I don’t have the quote. But to my recollection it went along the lines of “Foucault was an odd guy, he seemed devoid of any morality, as nothing was good nor bad”

[Anonymous No.20455125]

>>20451172
"Life is no fun if I don't coom. " - Foucault

[Anonymous No.20455157]

>>20454718
It’s obvious he wasn’t a communist, while giving Marx his dues, and leaning towards the left on certain subjects. It’s surprising that right wing thinkers talk about him and point to how degenerate he was and how his ideology is flawed, but are never able to pin point to exact examples. It’s as though they haven’t even read the books.
The idea that there’s an evolution to punishment as well as the way we perceive it, it’s eye opening and I bet JP would actually get a lot from digging into Foucaults work.

[Anonymous No.20455162]

>>20454442
>>20455097
>Following the debate, Chomsky was stricken with Foucault's total rejection of the possibility of a universal morality, stating "He struck me as completely amoral, I'd never met anyone who was so totally amoral... I mean, I liked him personally, it's just that I couldn't make sense of him. It's as if he was from a different species, or something."

[Anonymous No.20455184]

>>20455162
Is chomsky retarded or something. not assenting intellectual to the idea of a really existing universal morality is obviously not the same as being emotionally amoral.

[Anonymous No.20455298]

>>20455082
Because Wittggwnstein and the ancient Greeks wrote things with substance
The single most noteworthy thing about Foucault is that he used to get his ass rammed
>>20451172
Go read Nietzsche which says the same stuff but better
Foucault is the first of the postmoderns I have no respect for
They are all bad and write to "make an effect" on the reader rather to ezpose coherent arguments, but at least Deleuze has a metaphysical vein, Barthes tries to think about theories of literature etc and they all had some roots on structuralism
Now to Foulcault who also claimed to be structuralist didnt go much farther than
>muh power
His whole life, and deliberately falsified history and everhthing else to justify his views, which were not original, not correct, nor good

[Anonymous No.20455529]

Was he a neoliberal in the end?

[Anonymous No.20455625]

>>20455298
>write to make an effect
Foucault is by far the clearest and most lucid writer of his milieu. Not all of his arguments are coherent but the same can be said for any philosopher.
>claimed to be a structuralist
"half-witted 'commentators' persist in labeling me a 'structuralist'. I have been unable to get it into their tiny minds that I have used none of the methods, concepts, or key terms that characterize structural analysis."
Foucault was based and the amount of seething retards in this thread proves this

[Anonymous No.20455672]

>>20455184
>is Chomsky retarded
Yes.

[Anonymous No.20456047]

>>20454718
this is a very good summary, though i think more interest should be paid to his later lectures on neoliberalism. we can only guess what he was getting at because he died (aids), but there's some very interesting [and essentially positivist] historicism about the impetus of human rationality and governance born from the enlightenment

[Anonymous No.20456151]

>>20451395

[Anonymous No.20456154]

>>20451172
Postscript on societies of control is a good update to the whole societies of discipline concept, which deleuze sees as more a 19th early 20th century thing.

[Anonymous No.20456158]

>>20454711
Nice enagement retard

[Anonymous No.20456481]

>>20451395
ACK

[Anonymous No.20456489]

>>20456158
mad boyfucker

[Anonymous No.20456513]

>>20452281
Almost like France in that period was rotten to the core with "academics" coasting on bullshit so they could fuck their students

[Anonymous No.20456783]

>>20456513
What's wrong with fucking your students (besides the power dynamic)?

[Anonymous No.20456860]

>>20456783
I don't particularly care if university professors want to or try to fuck their students, I just have a superficial bad impression of 20th century French people like Foucault as charlatans who weren't interested in academia at all but instead wanted to fuck students. So I think of their works as written entirely in bad faith, just slop to keep their reputations and build clout so they could keep fucking their students. I don't know how anyone can take seriously a guy who once said BDSM was the desexualization of pleasure, but since I'm stuck with a huge backlog I'll be very late to the party finding out what made him special.

[Anonymous No.20456909]

>>20456860
Let's not forget that the founder of Western philosophy, Socrates, seduced his students in a context of Greek pederasty. Nietzsche saw this eroticism as the strength behind Greek and French philosophy, pic related

[Anonymous No.20456976]

>>20451172
>French

[Anonymous No.20456984]

>>20456783
That student mostly likely gets favoritism not relating to their academic work

[Anonymous No.20457068]

>>20451172
>Michel Foucault
Who?

[Anonymous No.20457186]

>>20456984
Well, there is a tradeoff. If it is acceptable to have sex with your students, this will enable more favouritism on the part of the teachers. But if it is unacceptable, you are restricting the sexual freedom of teachers and students who may want too get in a relationship. Myself I lean towards sexual freedom, but I don't like either option.

[Anonymous No.20457319]

>>20453628
It's like free ride, when you've already paid.