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[Anonymous No.20424218]

somebody please refute him, I'm tired of living with beliefs that are gonna put me on a watch list.

[Anonymous No.20424227]

>>20424218
get a life retarded faggot

[Anonymous No.20424237]

>>20424218
He was a repressed AGP, it was either this or diaperposting on /tttt/.

[Anonymous No.20424260]

There's no going back.

You can deny it and call him a tranny from your laptop in the room with your funko pop collection but you'd just be lying to yourself.

[Anonymous No.20424295]

>>20424260
don't tell me that. There has to be a way back, please

[Anonymous No.20424308]

Wanting to live in a cabin in the woods gets you put on a list?
You don't have to make bombs if you don't want to you know.

[Anonymous No.20424336]

>>20424218
his theory of global anti-tech revolution is awfully naive.

[Anonymous No.20424337]

>>20424218
Ted had some good ideas and was very intelligent but unfortunately his personality was broken. It takes a certain type of man to mail explosive packages (that could be opened by anyone really). There is nothing wrong with wanting to be away from technological society, it does not mean you need to be homicidal. Unfortunately he wanted to literally fight the system and thought that harming tech executives would somehow put a stop to our trajectory but it was always fruitless.

[Anonymous No.20424348]

>>20424218
The meaningfulness of actions is determined by their relationship to ethics not survival. Additionally, Ted totally ignores that speech is a different, yet still real, form of action and has absolutely no view of it.

[Anonymous No.20424355]

>>20424348
people that try to refute pro-free speech arguments often have a weak sense of self.

[Anonymous No.20424367]

>>20424355
bot?

[Anonymous No.20424552]

>>20424218
Wasn't he brainwashed? In addition, did not examine him and they determined that he suffers from a kind of schizophrenia? Why validate the philosophical points of a schizo?

[Anonymous No.20424559]

>>20424260
Funko pop collections rule supreme
Ted retards rage and scream
Rage so hard they blow steam
Cause they can't compete even in a dream

[Anonymous No.20424568]

>>20424218
Read Ellul.

[Anonymous No.20424572]

>>20424336
What is the alternative?

[Anonymous No.20424592]

>>20424568
why?

[Anonymous No.20424593]

>>20424218
https://www.overcomingbias.com/2018/01/kaczynskis-collapse-theory.html

>Kaczynski claims that the Fermi paradox, i.e., the fact that the universe looks dead everywhere, is explained by the fact that technological civilizations very reliably destroy themselves. When this destruction happens naturally, it is so thorough that no humans could survive. Which is why his huge priority is to find a way to collapse civilization sooner, so that at least some humans survive. Even a huge nuclear war is preferable, as at least some people survive that.

>Why must everything collapse? Because, he says, natural-selection-like competition only works when competing entities have scales of transport and talk that are much less than the scale of the entire system within which they compete. That is, things can work fine when bacteria who each move and talk across only meters compete across an entire planet. The failure of one bacteria doesn’t then threaten the planet. But when competing systems become complex and coupled on global scales, then there are always only a few such systems that matter, and breakdowns often have global scopes.

>Kaczynski dismisses the possibility that world-spanning competitors might anticipate the possibility of large correlated disasters, and work to reduce their frequency and mitigate their harms. He says that competitors can’t afford to pay any cost to prepare for infrequent problems, as such costs hurt them in the short run. This seems crazy to me, as most of the large competing systems we know of do in fact pay a lot to prepare for rare disasters. Very few correlated disasters are big enough to threaten to completely destroy the whole world. The world has had global scale correlation for centuries, with the world economy growing enormously over that time. And yet we’ve never even seen a factor of two decline, while at least thirty factors of two would be required for a total collapse. And while it should be easy to test Kaczynski’s claim in small complex systems of competitors, I know of no supporting tests.

>Yet all dozen of the reviews I read of Kaczynski’s book found his conclusion here to be obviously correct. Which seems to me evidence that a great many people find the worry about future competitors to be so compelling that they endorse most any vaguely plausible supporting argument. Which I see as weak evidence against that worry.

>Yes of course correlated disasters are a concern, even when efforts are made to prepare against them. But its just not remotely obvious that competition makes them worse, or that all civilizations are reliably and completely destroyed by big disasters, so much so that we should prefer to start a big nuclear war now that destroys civilization but leaves a few people alive. Surely if we believed his theory a better solution would be to break the world into a dozen mostly isolated regions.

[Anonymous No.20424599]

>>20424552
>Wasn't he brainwashed?
I assume you're referring to the infamous "MKUltra experiments"? Because the MKUktra story turned out to be a largely exaggerated by the (((media))) slanderous event, even Ted himself explained in a letter of his how most of it is untrue (pic related).

>In addition, did not examine him and they determined that he suffers from a kind of schizophrenia? Why validate the philosophical points of a schizo?
Ted is anything but a schizo, his works are one of the soundest writings I've ever read
>After his arrest in 1996, Kaczynski—maintaining that he was sane—tried and failed to dismiss his court-appointed lawyers because they wanted him to plead insanity to avoid the death penalty. In 1998, a plea bargain was reached under which he pleaded guilty to all charges and was sentenced to eight consecutive life terms in prison without the possibility of parole.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski

[Anonymous No.20424601]

do you really need it explained to you what's wrong with being an anti-social polish murderer?

[Anonymous No.20424604]

>>20424592
He has a much better analysis of the modern world through the lens of technique rather than technology itself. Kaczynski is more American-minded in his idea of rebellion and destruction of society compared to Ellul's emphasis of living apart from it.

[Anonymous No.20424606]

Funko pop collectors get a lot of pussy
Ted fans get none cause they are goofy

[Anonymous No.20424610]

>>20424606
If women approve of you you're clearly doing something wrong.

[Anonymous No.20424611]

>>20424593
I'm not reading your gay article.
>Kaczynski claims that the Fermi paradox, i.e., the fact that the universe looks dead everywhere, is explained by the fact that technological civilizations very reliably destroy themselves. When this destruction happens naturally, it is so thorough that no humans could survive. Which is why his huge priority is to find a way to collapse civilization sooner, so that at least some humans survive. Even a huge nuclear war is preferable, as at least some people survive that.
No, this is not the sole reason industrial society should be destroyed. He offers this, if memory serves me, as a potential of what may come in the future if industrial societyis allowed to continue. Arguably, a much more terrifying fate is that industrial society never collapses.

[Anonymous No.20424614]

>>20424367
no I'm a real person. don't be obtuse, faggot.

[Anonymous No.20424620]

>>20424572
preferably a middle ground where tech and nature co-exist in a state of complimentary existence.

[Anonymous No.20424654]

>>20424218

Read "Orthodox Survival Course" http://orthodoxaustralia.org/orthodox-survival-course/

It explains how the West got here, from a 1000 year domino effect from the great schism up to today. The only way to survive is to return to Orthodoxy - monasticism is the spiritual fulfillment of cabin-in-the-woods lifestyle.

[Anonymous No.20424666]

>>20424610
infernal cope

[Anonymous No.20424669]

Gravity's Rainbow

[Anonymous No.20424676]

Technology march ahead
Ted fans pee their bed
Technology rule supreme
Ted pants full of cream

[Anonymous No.20424831]

>>20424308
Forest Anon got put on a list and was arrested because the feds thought him a potential terrorist. You get put on a list if they can’t locate you for any reason over an extended period of time, i.e. if you move to the forest

[Anonymous No.20424891]

>>20424218
Who cares what technology does to us? We have the means to create and live higher than that around us so we use it. We should change technology and how we use it to not destroy the planet but the social issues aren't technology's fault they are society's which can be fixed without getting rid of technology. That said you should think for yourself you loser.

[Anonymous No.20424904]

>>20424891
I really hope this is a bot.
If that's the kind of trash you come up by "thinking for yourself" then I really suggest you stop doing that immediately. Leave the thinking to those with profound ideas and the eloquence to express them, you're clearly not built for it.

[Anonymous No.20424925]

>>20424891
This is bait.

[Anonymous No.20424931]

Ted is mad because he is bad
Ted is weak because he is a freak

[Anonymous No.20425035]

>>20424218
Never will be. Haag is right.

[Anonymous No.20425081]

Most of the problems he attached to technological society were due to capitalism and the influence it has on technology's design and also due to (((who))) was behind tech firms and the financial sector.

[Anonymous No.20425120]

>>20424904
The only thing he got right was Gender Critical. He was waaaaaaaay ahead of the time one that.

[Anonymous No.20425432]

>>20424599
any more ted/fan writings?

[Anonymous No.20425439]

>>20424620
Impossible. You're the naive one, faggot. Probably a zoomer shithead too.
>>20424572
Omnicide. I think the human species should be ended.

[Anonymous No.20425487]

>>20424904
Ted has neither

[Anonymous No.20425549]

He’s a great diagnostician but his revolutionary solutions are a pipe dream. The only way out is through.

Accelerate consumerist industrial society and squander as much resources as possible on frivolous things, so that they can’t be used on things useful to keeping industrial society going longer. Buy an SUV, run your AC, eat burgers, go on a cruise. Make sure there are no resources left to save the status quo. Boomer/acc is the most realistic luddite praxis.

[Anonymous No.20425592]

>>20424218
>Ted
>watchlist tier
WHOAAAA dude you're so like trad and redpilled!! You have to be 18 to post here you dumb nig, his books are sold in Barnes & Noble lol

[Anonymous No.20425599]

>>20425439
nah. incorrect. I'm 40. I'm just realistic about things, mr. edgelord.

>hur dur the human species should be ended

don't cut yourself on that edge.

[Anonymous No.20425613]

autistic a.f.
incel
moved out to a one room shack in the woods
no running water, no electricity.
started mailing bombs to random strangers
is in prison

[Anonymous No.20425646]

>>20425432
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/category/author/ted-kaczynski

[Anonymous No.20425668]

>>20424904
>anime tranny
Opinion discarded

[Anonymous No.20425669]

>>20425592
>his books are sold in Barnes & Noble
A lot of books on the JQ as well as Mein Kampf (at least until recently) can also be found on B&N's website. Your point being?

[Anonymous No.20425762]

>>20424620
The entire point of Kaczynski's philosophy is to prove that such a thing is impossible. If it were to happen, it would be a temporary phenomenon. That society is a system that is fundementally outside of the control of any individual or group, but develops in accordance technology, which cannot be steered. The more time goes, the more I fear that he is completely right.

[Anonymous No.20425825]

>>20424593
>https://www.overcomingbias.com/2018/01/kaczynskis-collapse-theory.html
>2018
I think events might have differed with the 'we've appropriate plans for all serious exigencies' thesis somewhat over the past so years.

[Anonymous No.20425833]

>>20424904
Bad post. Cute girl.

Given the standards of the board, adequate.

[Anonymous No.20427082]

>>20424831
he wasn't arrested they just interrogated him

[Anonymous No.20427122]

>>20424831
he always omitts in his story that the FBI got warnings about him and thats why they investigated.
No glowie watched his videos saw he had Ellul and Ted on the bookshelf and decided a multiple month investigation with 200 page report was necessary.

[Anonymous No.20427395]

>>20427122
He doesn't omit that actually. He himself said that's probably a reason. But he said he can only verify what he knows from his FBI file and anything else is really just speculation.

[Anonymous No.20427725]

>>20425439
>Omnicide. I think the human species should be ended.
You should start with yourself.

[Anonymous No.20427753]

>>20425599
I'm not trying to be edgy. Humanity should be wiped out. I'm a bit misanthropic, big deal.
>>20427725
I'm not human. It's obvious I'm an avatar of something greater.

[Anonymous No.20427780]

>>20425762
It's best to get to the root of the problem and just kill off mankind. No mankind = no industrialization. There's something fundamentally flawed with mankind, hence why we had industrialization. By getting rid of the root of the issue, this problem will not reoccur.

[Anonymous No.20427898]

>>20424218
get a life

[Anonymous No.20427952]

>>20424218
You refuted him himself by making this thread, since you used an electronic device to do it

[Anonymous No.20427976]

>>20425762
The Amish.

[Anonymous No.20427982]

>>20427970

[Anonymous No.20428029]

>>20424593
>Kaczynski dismisses the possibility that world-spanning competitors might anticipate the possibility of large correlated disasters, and work to reduce their frequency and mitigate their harms. He says that competitors can’t afford to pay any cost to prepare for infrequent problems, as such costs hurt them in the short run. This seems crazy to me, as most of the large competing systems we know of do in fact pay a lot to prepare for rare disasters. Very few correlated disasters are big enough to threaten to completely destroy the whole world. The world has had global scale correlation for centuries, with the world economy growing enormously over that time. And yet we’ve never even seen a factor of two decline, while at least thirty factors of two would be required for a total collapse. And while it should be easy to test Kaczynski’s claim in small complex systems of competitors, I know of no supporting tests.

>Yet all dozen of the reviews I read of Kaczynski’s book found his conclusion here to be obviously correct. Which seems to me evidence that a great many people find the worry about future competitors to be so compelling that they endorse most any vaguely plausible supporting argument. Which I see as weak evidence against that worry.

These two paragraphs are sufficient to deem the author a brainlet and disregard anything they say going forward. In addition, specifically on the topic of rationalism, they don't understand how rationality works and are merely aping it.
>this seems crazy to me
>which I see as weak evidence
There's an entire community of these midwits on the internet, endlessly circle-jerking over their buzzwords and failing to understand anything they read.

>The world has had global scale correlation for centuries
He also fails to understand history, and not just the particulars of history but also possibly the concept of history entirely.

[Anonymous No.20428072]

>>20424218
>I'm tired of living with beliefs that are gonna put me on a watch list
it's only going to get worse, anon. give up and read dugin.

[Anonymous No.20428112]

>>20424218
Humanity is evil and deserves to suffer and eventually destroy itself.
There, refuted.

[Anonymous No.20428137]

>>20428112
evil according to what metric?

[Anonymous No.20428164]

>>20428112
This. I would have preferred being a corvid or cetacean during a time without man.

[Anonymous No.20429592]

>>20428112
>>20428164
BASED

[Anonymous No.20429887]

>>20424295
you cannot undo what has been done, modernity is was inevitable.
there is no going back

[Anonymous No.20429919]

>>20427395
Im not trying to slander his name.
But the being reported does seem too fall out of the discussion too often by fans especialy, but even him, when I find that to be an absolutely essential detail.

[Anonymous No.20429962]

Ted was right, once you read hi you can't go back

[Anonymous No.20429964]

>>20429962

[Anonymous No.20429966]

>>20429964

[Anonymous No.20429971]

>>20429966

[Anonymous No.20429979]

>>20429971

[Anonymous No.20429981]

>>20424599
He writes with the diary of a wimpy kid font...

[Anonymous No.20429984]

>>20429979

[Anonymous No.20429989]

>>20429984

[Anonymous No.20429997]

Realizing that he was right is the easy part, the questionis whatt to do about it

[Anonymous No.20430030]

>>20425668
Ted was a tranny

[Anonymous No.20430080]

>>20430030
Literally a made-up story by some court psychiatrist who, just like his appointed lawyers, wanted to make him look as much mentally unhinged as possible

[Anonymous No.20430090]

>>20424336
I think this was the worst thing about him. Far too idealistic. I'm also not sure why everyone sucks him off over his supposed deep insight into leftism, everything he said has been explained much more eloquently by other writers, and they didn't feel the need to blow people up to get their works noticed.

[Anonymous No.20430099]

>>20430090
Also his work is pretty obsolete given what we now know about declining intelligence and dysgenics.

[Anonymous No.20430282]

>>20430099
>declining intelligence and dysgenics
But both these things are caused exactly by rapid technological development and its ubiquitousness in our everyday lives

[Anonymous No.20430327]

>>20429919
>Im not trying to slander his name.
But the being reported does seem too fall out of the discussion too often by fans especialy, but even him, when I find that to be an absolutely essential detail.

It doesn't seem like you're slandering him unless I'm missing something you're implying. But he literally posted his file, even answered questions about it in his interview with Garden magazine, always replies to anons who ask about it. You can even ask him anything you want right now and he will answer. He's pretty responsive to fans who ask him questions.

[Anonymous No.20430347]

>>20429919
>Im not trying to slander his name. But the being reported does seem too fall out of the discussion too often by fans especialy, but even him, when I find that to be an absolutely essential detail.

It doesn't seem like you're slandering him, unless I'm missing something you're implying. But he posted his file, even answered questions about it in his interview with Garden magazine, always replies to anons who ask about it. You can even ask him anything you want right now and he will answer. He's pretty responsive to fans who ask him questions. How many times do you want the man to talk about the same thing over and over? He just hasn't made a new video since he found out his friend died.

[Anonymous No.20431865]

>>20430099
>>20430282
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmhEOQuUahU

[Anonymous No.20431871]

>>20424218
The only way out is through. accelerate

[Anonymous No.20431914]

>>20428137
The mass of man derives great psychosexual pleasure from cruelty and inflicting physical and psychological pain on others without cause. This is Evil. There are many animals and plants that have no drive to commit Evil and do not do so. They for the same reason do not create the circumstances for their own eventual destruction. Evil always drives to kill itself, for it knows what it is.

[Anonymous No.20431922]

>>20424669
What? GR rails against tech and the MIC.

[Anonymous No.20431970]

>>20424666
Digits

[Anonymous No.20431978]

>>20428072
Where's a good starting place with Dugin?

[Anonymous No.20432040]

Ted is for people who are too edgy to admit they are socialists.

[Anonymous No.20432046]

>>20429919
>i'm the only one who cares about that, therefore forestanon should talk about what i alone care about

i never understood this mindset of people thinking they are entitled to celebrities and public figures

[Anonymous No.20432053]

>>20428072
>>20431978
>Dugin
https://streamable.com/ek97jc
https://streamable.com/ln7z8w

[Anonymous No.20432130]

>>20432046
have you ever been reported to the FBI and them deeming it worthy to start an investigation?


how do you morons not realize how peculiar this is. I think he even once mentioned who sort of the person(s) was who reported him and it wasnt random internet retards.

[Anonymous No.20432178]

>>20432130
>I think he even once mentioned who sort of the person(s) was who reported him
>>20429919
>seems too fall out of the discussion by him

So which is it?

[Anonymous No.20432203]

>>20432130
the fuck you raving at me for sperg i dont give a shit. but since you do so much go ask him

[Anonymous No.20432241]

>>20427753
A bit? Come on man.

[Anonymous No.20432246]

>>20428112
That's not a refutation

[Anonymous No.20432725]

>>20424295
I'm writing a book that will become very famous in a few years that deals with such a character. Basically there's no way back. BUT it's important to take comfort in good friends, in music, and in food shared with others. Hope that helps you on your path a little.

[Anonymous No.20432735]

>>20424568
Hello again other Ellul poster!

[Anonymous No.20432960]

>>20424218
I don't think he can be refuted. Technology cannot be controlled and will eventually become more trouble than it's worth.
If that's not the case already...