“Life swings like a pendulum between pain and boredom”

[Anonymous No.20404821]

Someone try and refute this because this insight ruined my life.
I’m fully convinced boredom is the fundamental essence of human life. Think of all the reasons why we do anything: we can’t stand not doing anything or else we get restless. Good enough proof existence lacks any positive value and that everything stems from dissatisfaction

[Anonymous No.20404834]

>>20404821
Wow, what a bullshit take. Just get a hobby.

[Anonymous No.20404837]

>>20404821
Alexander, Space Time and Deity, the reflection on Contemplation vs. Enjoyment
You’re welcome

[Anonymous No.20404845]

>>20404821
>I can't be completely passive and be happy
>this means life is not worth living
Schopenhauerfags are the biggest sad sack losers jesus

[Anonymous No.20404846]

>>20404821
>“Life swings like a pendulum between pain and boredom”
yeah if you're fucking 14 and a loser

[Anonymous No.20404855]

>>20404821
Why do people who make general statements about life like this assume that other people share the same experience? I rarely feel bored.

[Anonymous No.20404860]

>reads philosopher's uncontextualized quote
>proceeds to cope

[Anonymous No.20404862]

>>20404821
It's an allegory, not to be taken as literal truth.
Read Kant.

[Anonymous No.20404869]

>>20404821
Chad's life isn't painful or boring. This statement is only true if you're a loser incel.

[Anonymous No.20404875]

>>20404860
Kek

[Anonymous No.20404889]

We can chat on discord if you're bored

What are your hobbies?

[Anonymous No.20405133]

>>20404821
I can imagine that this was more likely to be the case in his time. It's also much more true when I'm depressed, when I don't get enjoyment out of things that I normally would. Most of the time I can regulate the boredom pretty well.

[Anonymous No.20405250]

>>20404821
He's not wrong, but in the center is joy. He left that part out.

[Anonymous No.20405256]

>>20404821
I have the solution, stop reading this incel and read Nietzsche instead

[Anonymous No.20406465]

>>20404860
I've read it in context multiple times. Its about 300-400 pages in either direction roughly expressing the same sentiment.

>>20404821
The best you'll get is >>20404834
or something like it. Therefore, no refutation. That's the whole issue. Pessimists come with facts and fight off greeting card aphorisms.

[Anonymous No.20406472]

>>20405256
>stop reading that incel and read this incel

[Anonymous No.20406475]

>>20404834
Until you learn everything about that hobby, then you get a new one, then a new one, etc

Eventually you'll run out of things to do

[Anonymous No.20406477]

>>20404821
He wasn't loved and didn't love anyone. Take that as you will.

[Anonymous No.20406478]

>>20404821
My life used to be regularly enjoyable, though I'm in a rut at the moment, due to no one's fault but my own
I really don't care what some bitter rich kid has to say, by the way. Schopen is the same thing as Marx

[Anonymous No.20406484]

>>20406475
The hobby argument is hilarious because its written by those who aspire to have a hobby. I was born before the internet so I have about a thousand hobbies that don't involve a computer. Hell, my profession is a hobby to most people.

It doesn't really do much. Just good old Zapffian distraction, is all.

[Anonymous No.20406492]

>>20406478
>Schopen is the same thing as Marx
Why do you all keep equating truth value with status?

[Anonymous No.20406506]

>>20406492
expecting someone who's never experienced the real world to have anything worthwhile to say about it is like acting a childless person for advice on raising a child

[Anonymous No.20406514]

>>20406506
*like asking a childless person

[Anonymous No.20406523]

>>20406506
So if a person locked in a room knows a plant is poisonous, and a person who spends their time outside tells you its not, you'll eat it?

Again you're mixing up truth and status.

[Anonymous No.20406524]

>>20406484
Yeah. Eventually I guess you get to periods of waiting and in-betweenness, where nothing seems to feel enjoyable

[Anonymous No.20406529]

>>20404821
stop posting, you cringy faggot

[Anonymous No.20407098]

>>20406472

[Anonymous No.20407125]

Don’t read Schopenhauer, he’s a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.20407228]

>>20404821
Personally I have grown to enjoy the pain parts to an extent

[Anonymous No.20407246]

>>20407228
I kinda do the same too. Not really enjoy it but pain is a sort of comfort for me now which sounds contradictory but that's the best way to describe it

[Anonymous No.20407256]

>>20404821
On another hand it also swings between fun and peace

[Anonymous No.20407258]

>>20407256
jfc

[Anonymous No.20407312]

I use to understand schopenhaur, but then I grew up.

[Anonymous No.20407322]

>>20406475
Maybe people who need to constantly be entertained by some fundamental purpose instead of finding small beauty in each day and each small thing deserve to run out of shit to do? I mean do we always have to be preoccupied with SOMETHING? Or is there some way to find joy in simply existing?

[Anonymous No.20407329]

>>20404821
>Life swings like a pendulum between pain and boredom
Huysmans quotes it in À vau-l’eau, a civil servant wandering Paris in search of one good meal.

[Anonymous No.20407333]

Go to Church.

[Anonymous No.20407339]

>>20406475
And yet youve probably done little to nothing, yet are making this criticism. There are so many things to do, so many activities to master, that a human ten lifetimes over wouldn't scratch the surface.

[Anonymous No.20407352]

>>20406472
kek

[Anonymous No.20407423]

>>20404821
>If I'm not entertained at all time, then life is not worth living
>Also it's impossible to feel that the happiness of your life outweighs the pain
Is this the essence of the argument, OP?

[Anonymous No.20407490]

>>20407312
This solid argumentation has refuted Schopenhauer for all time.

[Anonymous No.20407499]

>>20407423
Not wholly, no.

Even the "good" are defined by absence of suffering. So the best you can do is not suffering. By Schopenhauer's definition, "fun" would be the extreme absence of suffering.

[Anonymous No.20407580]

>>20407499
>Being on a rollercoaster is the absence of the suffering of not being on a rollercoaster
Even outside this appeal to absurdity, i don't relate at all to that interpretation

[Anonymous No.20407591]

>>20407499
>So the best you can do is not suffering
Disagree. Spending time with my family is a lot more fulfilling and makes me appreciate life more than a day inside playing video games, even if I'm not suffering in either scenario.

[Anonymous No.20408070]

>>20404821
im not bored nor in pain

[Anonymous No.20408093]

>>20407591
Anon likes spending time with family therefore suffering doesn't matter!

[Anonymous No.20408102]

>>20408070
Not pain, suffering. You will experience even low-level periods of distress day-to-day, but ultimately you'll encounter tremendous suffering.

Your opinion on the matter won't serve to justify it.

[Anonymous No.20408107]

>>20407580
More like it provides extreme sensory occupation to serve as distraction from the suffering/boredom pendulum. Why create the need for distraction?

[Anonymous No.20408109]

>>20404821
"In living close to nature, one discovers that happiness does not consist in maximizing pleasure. It consists in tranquility. Once you have enjoyed tranquility long enough, you acquire actually an aversion to the thought of any very strong pleasure—excessive pleasure would disrupt your tranquility... Finally, one learns that boredom is a disease of civilization. It seems to me that what boredom mostly is is that people have to keep themselves entertained or occupied, because if they aren’t, then certain anxieties, frustrations, discontents, and so forth, start coming to the surface, and it makes them uncomfortable. Boredom is almost nonexistent once you’ve become adapted to life in the woods. If you don’t have any work that needs to be done, you can sit for hours at a time just doing nothing, just listening to the birds or the wind or the silence, watching the shadows move as the sun travels, or simply looking at familiar objects. And you don’t get bored. You’re just at peace."
-- Ted Kaczynski

[Anonymous No.20408118]

>>20408109
>breaks leg

[Anonymous No.20408129]

>>20408093
>therefore suffering doesn't matter
Never said that. Just that it's easily enough to say existence is worthwhile
Feel free to philosophize yourself into an endless depression though

[Anonymous No.20408192]

>>20408129
The point is your anecdotal experience doesn't exactly quell the larger issue.

[Anonymous No.20408198]

>>20407322
>do we always have to be preoccupied
Basically, yeah. You have to keep in mind, humans work like systems do. We carry out tasks and mark goals periodically, running on feedback loops and adjusting til we bridge the gap to whatever we're currently aiming toward. There's not really a way to just give all that up and exist "being happy". I mean, maybe if you were a monk or some shit meditating in a monastery for 16 hours a day. Those guys are completely detached from what we consider 'emotions' or modern societal goals
>>20407339
I wasn't trying to imply that I'm superior in any way. Meant that there's periods of waiting and boredom in-between. If you aren't actively suffering or trying to avoid some bout of pain/negativity, then you're probably bored waiting for something to take off. That's where I'm sort of hanging.

[Anonymous No.20408459]

>>20404845
>if I deny reality I will be happy
Good luck tard

[Anonymous No.20408467]

>>20404855
>>20404846
>>20404845
>>20404869
>>20405250
>>20406477
>>20407125
>>20407312
>>20407490
>>20408070
what’s with all the midwits lately? reddit down or something?

[Anonymous No.20409218]

read zappfe's Last Messiah to understand the fundamentals of the human condition, it's very short.
or just read zappfe's wikipedia article

[Anonymous No.20409608]

>>20408467
It’s true. You’ll gain nothing from reading Copenhauer aside from bitterness and moralizing

[Anonymous No.20409691]

>>20404821
>Someone try and refute this.
Life don't swings like a pendulum between pain and boredom.

[Anonymous No.20411165]

>>20404869
You speak like an incel though, ironically enough

[Anonymous No.20411355]

>>20408467
Schopenhauer is the ultimate midwit, the quote in op is pure solipsism

[Anonymous No.20411370]

>>20406475
There are so many niche hobbies that it is literally impossible to "run out" within a span of 80 years. Plus, why not just improve your craft? If you are into art or music then there is literally no end to paintings or songs you can make.

[Anonymous No.20412375]

>>20404821
I trained my boner to get stronger
Fun is real

[Anonymous No.20412378]

>>20412375
SUPREME IS INDRA THUNDERCOCK OVER ALL
It was too big to be called a sword. It was more like a raw heap of iron.

[Anonymous No.20412396]

>>20412375
Whoa bros where do I start with Friedrich NietsczßSHAhe

[Anonymous No.20412398]

>>20404821
Shaddup, Fredi Nigscha

[Anonymous No.20412433]

>>20406465
>come with facts
>bro we have to do things or we get bored and this is bad because... it just is ok?
Pessimists have nonsense expectations of meaning that they outright refuse to qualify because they know they're unreasonable. It's like coming in and posting
>the only reason people have relationships is because they'd be lonely otherwise
...Yeah? Technically true? But this is supposed to make me feel sad, and when it doesn't and I ask why it should pessimists just spam "cope" over and over. No one is interested in sitting here and teasing out your depression and then arguing against it. Just be an abrahamic if you crave received meaning that badly

[Anonymous No.20412456]

>>20412433
Any and all expectations of meaning are disappointing. We still crave significance for the incredible amount of suffering we can experience.

We're all going to die and disappear and you're just okay with that? I suppose I'm weak to find this insight crushing?

[Anonymous No.20412486]

>>20412456
>we're all going to die and disappear and you're just okay with that?
Yes. Is that so hard to believe? Desire for permanency is a delusion, and not an inescapable one.

[Anonymous No.20412753]

>>20412433
Pessimists seem to be the only ones giving "meaning" its proper place. Its not unreasonable to find meaning in the consideration of the negative states to which living things are subjected.

Its the opponents that like to fill that slot with what they consider meaning. It all seems trite and easily washed away. At its very best its personal anecdotes that by definition are without greater relevance.

[Anonymous No.20412761]

>>20407098
If he's such an aryan why can't he get pussy?

[Anonymous No.20412766]

>convince me X is wrong because X is making me sad

When OP says this shit I instantly know he's a mediocre retard. The truth might DESTROY you, if you're not willing to take it, don't go for it in the first place.

[Anonymous No.20412833]

I feel for you OP. When you enter into a philosopher's headspace, you start thinking like they do. If you read Plato long enough, you'll start thinking like him; when you read Nietzsche, you'll see slave-morality everywhere. Read Meditations, and you'll quickly become a Stoic.

Philosophy shows you a multitude of different ways to view the world and to view life itself. There are so many perspectives its enough to drive you insane; but this is also philosophy's greatest strength. Therefore I encourage you to continue reading different philosophers with different viewpoints, because this ultimately is what helps you develop a greater picture of The Total Truth.

Eventually as you read, you'll hit upon a point that fills you with existential dread, but that doesn't mean it's true; it just means you're considering the depths of its implications.

I don't know if any of that makes sense but if Schopenhaur's viewpoint is ruining your life, read a philosopher who has the opposite viewpoint, in order to better gain understanding.

Philosophy is a sickness that, when contracted, can only be solved by reading more philosophy.

[Anonymous No.20412944]

Shouldn't life, boredom and suffering "exist" in the first place?

[Anonymous No.20412975]

>>20409608
>>20411355
Mensa.no
Please post iq

[Anonymous No.20413596]

the pendulum of life swings between pain and happiness and boredom is in the middle

[Anonymous No.20413601]

>>20413596
No midwit, there is no happiness it’s a goal you aim for and when you get there you realise there is nothing (boredom)

[Anonymous No.20413626]

>>20404821
You should stop filling year head with garbage and read Torah instead

>>20406475
If you were able convert all the oceans into ink, all the trees into pens, all the land into paper, you wouldn't be able to write even 1% of what is in the Torah.

Toil in Torah, you will never run out of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_is2XFTh9A

[× I V R I V S × !!GgBWHLRiayD No.20414142]

>>20404821


Comprehension of the intensive force of the pendulum in the middle constitutes freedom.

In the same way that beautiful music conjures the sense of serene silence, important work invites active leisure —this is the precession of equilibrium.

The operation of this precession consists in following the flow, and resetting with rest; spacing out, and timing in; settling down, and subtling up; flowing fast, and burning slow.

The more active leisure that there is, the better the quality of important productivity/work; the more productivity/work, the broader the band of revolution, the rarer the reward of leisure, and the higher the probability of burning out.

[Anonymous No.20414157]

>>20404821
To backup your statement. Nobody here who hasn't gone to prison knows what true boredom feels like. Thats the stuff that beyond prison being shit as it is makes you want to kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.20414171]

>>20408467
>I am a fucking loser therefore I am smarter than you
Cope more retard

[Anonymous No.20414183]

>>20414142
Schopenhauer says force (will), like gravity, is being and that we are not free, but becomings of this primary Will the telos of which we do not know, but experience directly in our day-to-day lives. Why do we get out of bed? Why does the bee hover above the flower? Not because of free will for Schopenhauer, but because we are forced by will. Funnily enough, he also said that art is a way to escape the Will. When we apprehend beautiful music, for a time, we are no longer trapped in the prison of subjectivity. And those who make naive art truly saw the world objectively.

[Anonymous No.20414185]

>>20413601
>there is no happiness it’s a goal you aim for
No, it's not. I aim for things I find desirable in and of themselves and happiness is the necessary result, although not the desired result itself. Happiness is only the goal of Englishmen, socialists, women, and other democrats.

[Anonymous No.20414192]

>>20414185
>t retard
Maybe try reading Schopenhauer moron

[Anonymous No.20414194]

>>20414192
Maybe try presenting an argument

[Anonymous No.20414197]

>>20414185
>desirable
would be the key word here for Schope

[Anonymous No.20414228]

>>20414197
And the keyword here is that anyone who really desires happiness has already killed their own soul. "Desiring happiness" is effectively desiring desire's desire, an infinite regress which can't be satisfied. Ergo no one who is happy desires happiness, hence why it's commonly said by the Greeks that the gods desire nothing but glory and splendor and lack nothing, living in eternal happiness.

[Anonymous No.20414231]

>>20412975
IQ tests are for numales

[Anonymous No.20414239]

>>20414228
"The worst thing for the Greeks would be to die at all, the second to die soon"

[Anonymous No.20414243]

>ITT: REDDIT

[× I V R I V S × !!GgBWHLRiayD No.20414250]

>>20414183


Humans have their own free volition, but are necessarily metasisted by the voice, and the images, of Sofia, since one of the conditions of human biophysical genesis. per the parameters of compatibility between the soul, and the biophysical body, is virtually total amnesia.

[Anonymous No.20414267]

>>20406475
>Until you learn everything about that hobby
Which will never happen unless your Dunning Kruger makes you believe that. Have you ever tried to seriously master something? It takes years to become competent in any given area and then there still will be something new to learn there.

[× I V R I V S × !!GgBWHLRiayD No.20414328]

>>20414183
>Schopenhauer says force (will), like gravity, is being and that we are not free, but becomings of this primary Will the telos of which we do not know, but experience directly in our day-to-day lives.

Humans have their own free volition, but, at least in the beginning, are necessarily metasisted by the voice, and alimented with the images, of Sofia —whom the noble ones strive to resistitute—, since one of the conditions of human biophysical genesis. per the parameters of initial compatibility between the soul, and the biophysical body, is virtually total amnesia; following this, one may elect to be further conditioed by, either: the forces of good, or the forces of evil.


>Funnily enough, he also said that art is a way to escape the Will.

Art is created with volition.


>When we apprehend beautiful music, for a time, we are no longer trapped in the prison of subjectivity. And those who make naive art truly saw the world objectively.

It is only a prison inasmuch as one is otherwise not in universal syncord with the beauty

[Anonymous No.20414409]

>>20414183
Our subjective will is unconditioned and out of space/time, and thus, free; whilst our acts are conditioned by physical laws.. No it doesn't make sense; freedom doesn't.

>>20414328
I hope you enjoy writing these, because nothing of what you write has the slightest bit of substantiality. I would recommend writing a book, maybe a schizo blog or what have you.

[× I V R I V S × !!GgBWHLRiayD No.20414531]

>>20414183
>>20414328

Addendum:


>Schopenhauer says force (will), like gravity, is being and that we are not free [...]

The converse is actually true: one is freed, and reaffirmed, through virtue, by gradually converting the energy that is motilized by volition, thus, through revolutionary refinement & reinforcement, one revolverts one's own nascent forces, personalizing them.

Freedom is akin to a vortex.


>[...] the telos of which we do not know, but experience directly in our day-to-day lives.

The telos, just like the logos, is knowable, and known.

[Anonymous No.20415688]

>>20404845
why do mentions of pessimism on this board suddenly make a high school jock out of everyone?

[Anonymous No.20415704]

>>20406506
thinking higher class people can't truly know drudgery is soulless materialism. cobain's suicide is as valid as that of a chinese sweatshop worker

[Anonymous No.20415730]

>>20408459
You don't understand. It's just a MINDSET
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjISHvxDu0s

[Anonymous No.20415743]

>>20406475
>t. guy who has never been good at anything
if you actually try to create something or master some kind of skill you will realize that you won't live long enough to it all, underage faggot

[Anonymous No.20415760]

>>20415688
>rapes you

[Anonymous No.20415792]

>>20404834
I've never experienced a hobby that wasn't primarily characterized by suffering.

Learning guitar, drawing, reading difficult literature, sculpture, etc.
All have primarily been skills that were bought with long hours of tedious suffering. That's why they're worth something. If it didn't take suffering then there would be no reason to do any of it.

[Anonymous No.20415805]

>>20404821
>Someone try and refute this because this insight ruined my life.

The actual nature of mind—the way it has always been, in and of itself—is this innate pure awareness that is unfabricated and unrestricted.

When this is explained in negative terms:

It is not something to be apprehended;
Nor is it a non-existent void;
It is not some combination of these two,
Nor is it a third option that is neither.
This is the view of the absence of any identifiable existence, the fact that it cannot be conceptualised in any way by thinking, “It is like this.”

When explained in more positive, experiential terms, it is said to be glaringly empty, lucidly clear, vividly pure, perfectly even, expansively open, and so on.

To illustrate this using examples: without limit or centre, it is like space; in its unlimited clarity, it is like sunlight flooding the sky; without clear inside and outside, it is like a crystal ball; in its freedom from clinging and attachment, it is like the traces of a bird in flight; and neither arising nor ceasing, it is like the sky.

To dispel any doubts or misunderstandings that might arise from this instruction, it is described as the great clarity that is beyond partiality, the great emptiness of freedom from conceptual reference, the great union that cannot be separated, and so on.

In terms of its meaning, as it cannot be pointed out by words, it is inexpressible; as it cannot be known with ordinary modes of consciousness, it is inconceivable; and as it is does not fall into any extreme, it is the great freedom from elaboration. In the end, it is beyond all expressions, such as: it is all and everything, it is not all, everything lies within it, or does not, and so on. It remains an individual experience of self-knowing awareness.

The names used to illustrate it are 'primordial purity' and 'spontaneous presence', and, when summarizing: 'the single, all-encompassing sphere of naturally arising wisdom'.

As it is the pinnacle of all in terms of the qualities it possesses, it is also the transcendent perfection of wisdom and so on.

Symbolically, it can be revealed by means of the sun, or a magnifying glass, a crystal ball, or a finger pointing into space, and so forth.

When you have a precious jewel in your own hand,
Even if others should discard them, why be angry?

[Anonymous No.20415841]

>>20415792
Most of the people telling you to "get a hobby" obviously aspire to have a workable distraction themselves. I wonder what they're distracting themselves from?

>>20415805
And then there's the walls of nebulous spiritual text. If it helps, more power to you. If it comes across as a little convoluted and contrived, well...