/lit/ - Literature

[el iniciado hermético No.20365976]

>translates hermetic texts into latin
>translates plato's works into latin, eliciting a movement of neoplatonic philosophical thought that would permeate all of the renaissance
>most infuential teacher of the Platonic Academy in Florence
>Pico della Mirandola was one of Ficino's student
Why does /lit/ never talk about historical figures like him or Pico della Mirandola who were arguably some of the most important figures in philosophy in the last 1000 years? Its akways the same meme authors

[Anonymous No.20365982]

>>20365976
>He was the founder of the tradition of Christian Kabbalah, a key tenet of early modern Western esotericism.
Dropped.

[Anonymous No.20365989]

>>20365976
Ficino is the only philosopher in history who was able to determine the exact equilibrium point between the two and only two conceptions that are possible for the human mind (excluding atheism): pantheism and monotheism, or, from an European perspective, Paganism and Christianity. It goes round and round until you realize there is nothing else. You have to choose. When you have read enough philosophy, for years and years, you know that all philosophers fall under one of these two categories. And unless you are a dumb atheist there is no escape, no third option. All metaphysics can be reduced to one of the two main statements of human thought: God is immanent, or God is transcendent.

Well, that said, Ficino is the only author who has convincingly shown that these two statements can be both true at the same time. He represents the only successful blend of the two traditions, as far as we know. His magnum opus, the Theologia Platonica, is a huge and complex structure attempting to find the happy medium. And, at least in my opinion, it succeeds. If you know of any other such examples, just tell me.

Since the vast majority of modern and contemporary philosophy ultimately revolves, even if implicitly, around the same debate, Ficino actually did solve modern philosophy before it even started. This is vastly unknown for the mere fact that very few people, including famous thinkers of the modern era, have read him.

That's all I have to say, then it's up to you to read the Platonic Theology or not. Personally I don't care.

[Anonymous No.20366002]

>>20365976
>>20365982
>Similarly, Pico believed that an educated person should also study Hebrew and Talmudic sources
The more I read about this guy, the more Jewish he sounds.
This is very pathetic stuff and makes me sympathize with people like Varg.

[Anonymous No.20366005]

>>20365989
Here's the thread this is from:
>>/lit/thread/S19746748

[Anonymous No.20366009]

>>20366002
>taking pride in being ignorant and uneducated

[Anonymous No.20366013]

>>20365982
Unironically. He threw Jewish poison in the pure fountain of Platonism.

[Anonymous No.20366014]

>>20366009
All poorfags are like that

[Anonymous No.20366017]

>>20366013
>Unironically. He threw Jewish poison in the pure fountain of Platonism.
It's disgusting. How can people be so brainwashed not to see what's occurring right in front of them?
>>20366009
I'm antisemitic. What's wrong with that?

[Anonymous No.20366023]

>>20366013
Describe how.

>>20366017
>How can people be so brainwashed not to see what's occurring right in front of them?
If its so obvious, then post an example of this 'corruption'.

[Anonymous No.20366025]

Highly recommend

[Anonymous No.20366037]

>>20366023
>If its so obvious, then post an example of this 'corruption'.
All the sources I see says he syncretizes the Kabbalah with Christian theology, Hermeticism, and Platonism.

[Anonymous No.20366050]

How's his Latin translation of Plato's works? how does it hold up, considering following scholarship? are there newer Latin translations perchance?
I thought, once my Greek is good enough, to try and read Plato alongside a Latin translation both for fun and immerse myself through the lenses of these languages.

[Anonymous No.20366083]

>>20366025
yeah I was thinking of reading this, thank you
>>20365989
>>20366002
>If you know of any other such examples, just tell me.
corpus hermeticum and the other hermetic texts? After all it was Ficino who translated the Corpus Hermeticum

[Anonymous No.20366094]

>>20366037
>All the sources I see says he syncretizes the Kabbalah with Christian theology, Hermeticism, and Platonism.
This is /lit/ — either read up or shut up.

[Anonymous No.20366098]

>>20365976
>he doesn't get that how Anons interact in /lit/ is a part of The Society of the Spectacle, Materialist Christianity, Digital Narcissism and as a Le Mass per Gustav Le Bon were Nihilism, Irony, Degeneracy, and Narcicism are the only Coin-of-Exchange to interact within the "Hive".

[Anonymous No.20366100]

>>20365976
Nicholas of Cusa deserves a mention.

[Anonymous No.20366107]

>>20366098
I hate it.

[Anonymous No.20366111]

>>20366050
If your Latin is good enough to read Renaissance Latin, the era of the best Latin stylists since the Golden Age and never matched since the Renaissance, you're a lucky man

They were truly unique people, immersing themselves for decades not just in "learning the language" but in actually bringing the classical style back to life as much as they possibly could. Apparently some of them could do almost superhuman things like being able to tell or write in any style just based on a few lines.

[Anonymous No.20366123]

>>20366002
>>20366014
>>20366009
>>20366017
>>20366023
>>20366037
Christianity is already syncretic mixture of mainly Greek and Jewish thought, theres other influences like Egyptian, Babylonian, Persian/Zoroastrian,etc...
Why do Christian midwits believe that their ideology emerged without influence from their surrounding pagan neighbors? Its absurd. Even Aquinas revives lots of Aristotelian and Platonic concepts and incorporates them to Christianity through a christian lens/interpretation, thats what Pico della Mirandola did with the Kabbalah from my basic understanding...

[Anonymous No.20366124]

>>20366083
>>20366094
I was looking up Pico della Mirandol.
Looking at Marsilio Ficino it seemed he just mixed Neopatonism with Christianity. He was not into the Kabbalah like Pico.
Still, I'm not fond of Abrahamic traditions in general.

[Anonymous No.20366139]

>>20365982
>>20366002
>>20366013
Kabbalism is very profound. Even an extreme antisemite like Wagner had an admiration for Kabbalah which would later influence his drama Parsifal.

[Anonymous No.20366147]

>>20366037
>all the sources I see
The absolute state of /lit/.

[Anonymous No.20366152]

>>20366139
> Even an extreme antisemite like Wagner had an admiration for Kabbalah
Then he wasn't a real antisemite. In his case it was a kind of love-hate relationship then. Sometimes outward hatred conceals admiration. I am unique because in my case I have genuine genocidal intent.
>Kabbalism is very profound.
Maybe to mentally ill faggot like you who doesn't have a single shred of wisdom. Go become a Jew on Reddit.

[Anonymous No.20366161]

>>20366124
>>20366152
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[Anonymous No.20366167]

>>20365976
though

[Anonymous No.20366171]

>>20366161
I saw you post this book elsewhere, and I knew from the start you were an Ashkenazi Jew.
I'm sick and tired of you "people".

[Anonymous No.20366173]

>>20366139
Kabbalism was developed by ancient Germans and they later taught it to the Jews in the 8th century.

[Anonymous No.20366175]

>>20365982
thanks for saving me the time of looking him up. op kys

[Anonymous No.20366176]

>>20366161
Redpill me on Assmann, some Egyptologist bitch I knew told me that he's not respected by respectable Egyptologists like her and I immediately knew that he must be interesting

[Anonymous No.20366184]

>>20366171
fucking kek

[Anonymous No.20366185]

>>20366171
sounds like you have schizophrenia

[Anonymous No.20366192]

>>20366176
>Hey goy...i mean guys , look how different yet similar Hebrew "religion" is to Egyptian Cosmology....like here, here and here....
>SOME TIME LATER....
>wait wait, why I am an Anti.Semite???

[Anonymous No.20366200]

>>20366185
im not you

[Anonymous No.20366208]

>>20366184
>>20366185
I just hate Jews and Abrahamism. I shouldn't have gotten involved in this thread.
>>20366173
I know about Guido von List.

[Anonymous No.20366222]

>>20366208
Shut the fuck up you bipolar faggot.

[Anonymous No.20366226]

>>20366152
>>20366002
>>20366013
Retards, Numenius already said in the 2nd century that Plato was Moses speaking Attic Greek.

[Anonymous No.20366230]

>>20366208
>I just hate Jews and Abrahamism. I shouldn't have gotten involved in this thread.
t. obese pagan larper fuck

[Anonymous No.20366245]

>>20366222
Stfu, Jew. There is no such thing as a good Jew.
>>20366226
It's just LARPing bullshit. Moses didn't even exist. Jews lie about everything.
>>20366230
t. Ugly decrepit Jew.

[Anonymous No.20366270]

>>20366192
>>20366176
He points how Judaism diverged from Polytheism.
That the Jews teach themselves to apply Normative Inversion to "gentile" culture while they themselves keep the "secret" of le pagans with them within their "esoteric" tradition that is similar to Egypt itself.

The First Distinction ; the Foundation of a True/Fake stone to discard "foreign" influences on them; this later evolved with Christianity and before that Platonism.
>True/Fake Gods ; I am God the Necesary Being, all else are social constructs
>True/Fake , Son of God , I am the Truth!

Religion as Science.


He "resurrects" Egyptian (and the whole "pagan" , Indo Europeans and everyone elses) Sacred, Spiritual and Meaningful Tradition ( with the T of Evola and Guenon ) within the Hermeneutics of Us Humans as Theomorphic Beings expressing ourselves, our cultural experiences, our Knowledge, as all part of the Sacred that is Within this World....


See also Schwaller de Lubicz.

[Anonymous No.20366284]

>>20366245
>post book about Jews and Egypt and how Moses has links to the latter
>accuses everyone of being a jew

[Anonymous No.20366325]

>>20366245
So neopythagoreans and platonists were jews? Numenius was a jew? Stop being a fucking nigger, I don't care about jews, but you platoniggers are so miserable. Both you jews and platonists/pythagoreans have a common origin.

[Anonymous No.20366346]

>>20366325
>So neopythagoreans and platonists were jews?
No.
>Both you jews and platonists/pythagoreans have a common origin.
Not at all.
I'm just saying that mixing Greco-Roman culture and Abrahamism doesn't go well.
Abrahamism is cancer.

[Anonymous No.20366362]

>>20366270
Read Girard. He explains exactly why Judaism diverged from Polytheism/Paganism, not completely, but as the first step in the total diversion, and destruction, to be followed by Christianity.

[Anonymous No.20366366]

>>20366152
>Then he wasn't a real antisemite. In his case it was a kind of love-hate relationship then.
It's not like he admired it on some systematic level, he just admired some of their rituals and mystical sensitivity.

[Anonymous No.20366370]

>>20366346
>I'm just saying that mixing Greco-Roman culture and Abrahamism doesn't go well.
Yeah, but you know, an influential Pythagorean/Platonist of the 2nd century said that about Plato being like Moses.

[Anonymous No.20366387]

What an ugly thread for such beautiful philosophy.

1. It chanced once on a time my mind was meditating on the things that are, my thought was raised to a great height, the senses of my body being held back - just as men who are weighed down with sleep after a fill of food, or from fatigue of body.

Methought a Being more than vast, in size beyond all bounds, called out my name and saith: What wouldst thou hear and see, and what hast thou in mind to learn and know?

2. And I do say: Who art thou?

He saith: I am Man-Shepherd (Poemandres), Mind of all-masterhood; I know what thou desirest and I'm with thee everywhere.

3. [And] I reply: I long to learn the things that are, and comprehend their nature, and know God. This is, I said, what I desire to hear.

He answered back to me: Hold in thy mind all thou wouldst know, and I will teach thee.

4. E'en with these words His aspect changed, and straightway, in the twinkling of an eye, all things were opened to me, and I see a Vision limitless, all things turned into Light - sweet, joyous [Light]. And I became transported as I gazed.

But in a little while Darkness came settling down on part [of it], awesome and gloomy, coiling in sinuous folds, so that methought it like unto a snake.

And then the Darkness changed into some sort of a Moist Nature, tossed about beyond all power of words, belching out smoke as from a fire, and groaning forth a wailing sound that beggars all description.

[And] after that an outcry inarticulate came forth from it, as though it were a Voice of Fire.

5. [Thereon] out of the Light [...] a Holy Word (Logos) descended on that Nature. And upwards to the height from the Moist Nature leaped forth pure Fire; light was it, swift and active too.

The Air, too, being light, followed after the Fire; from out of the Earth-and-Water rising up to Fire so that it seemed to hang therefrom.

But Earth-and-Water stayed so mingled with each other, that Earth from Water no one could discern. Yet were they moved to hear by reason of the Spirit-Word (Logos) pervading them.

6. Then saith to me Man-Shepherd: Didst understand this Vision what it means?

Nay; that shall I know, said I.

That Light, He said, am I, thy God, Mind, prior to Moist Nature which appeared from Darkness; the Light-Word (Logos) [that appeared] from Mind is Son of God.

What then? - say I.

Know that what sees in thee and hears is the Lord's Word (Logos); but Mind is Father-God. Not separate are they the one from other; just in their union [rather] is it Life consists.

Thanks be to Thee, I said.

So, understand the Light [He answered], and make friends with it.

7. And speaking thus He gazed for long into my eyes, so that I trembled at the look of him.

But when He raised His head, I see in Mind the Light, [but] now in Powers no man could number, and Cosmos grown beyond all bounds, and that the Fire was compassed round about by a most mighty Power, and [now] subdued had come unto a stand.

[Anonymous No.20366391]

>>20366366
>mystical sensitivity.
Haha, he ultimately had a secret love for them.
Mystical sensitivity of Jews? Don't make me laugh.
>>20366370
That doesn't mean anything.
Gemistos Plethon had the right approach.

[Anonymous No.20366392]

>>20366152
>I am unique because in my case I have genuine genocidal intent.
ok sperg

[Anonymous No.20366414]

>>20366391
>Haha, he ultimately had a secret love for them.
Do you not understand you can like some parts of something while primarily disliking it? Or do you think Fichte wasn't antisemitic because he respected Spinoza as a thinker?

>Mystical sensitivity of Jews? Don't make me laugh.
Do you know literally anything about Kabbalah?

[Anonymous No.20366427]

>>20366414
>Do you not understand you can like some parts of something while primarily disliking it?
Yes.
>Or do you think Fichte wasn't antisemitic because he respected Spinoza as a thinker?
Spinoza's philosophy does not really strike me as Jewish/Abrahamic.
>Do you know literally anything about Kabbalah?
Yes, and it's trash.

[Anonymous No.20366432]

>>20366362
Rene Girard? what book?

[Anonymous No.20366441]

>>20366427
>Spinoza's philosophy does not really strike me as Jewish/Abrahamic.
Seems like you got a secret love there bud.

[Anonymous No.20366446]

>>20366441
The difference is Abrahamism and its metaphysics, which cannot be divorced from its historicity, are steeped in Jewishness.
A random Jew's philosophy that has independence from their heinous traditional culture can have some merit. Spinoza did not even get along with other Jews.

[Anonymous No.20366514]

Anyone in London?
https://www.prometheustrust.co.uk/html/warburg_neoplatonic_reading.html

[Anonymous No.20366590]

>>20366446
why do u keep engaging with that shitposter?

Spinoza was literally Exiled from the Jewish Tribe for what he stated.

[Anonymous No.20366634]

>>20365976
He's an interesting figure. If you'd like to get into his backgroud then I would read Cassirer and Culiano first.

Ficino's short commentaries on each of Plato's dialogues are also an easy way to approach him, as you're more likely to have read a Platonic dialogue and have formed an opinion on what it means and can compare it to Ficino.

[Anonymous No.20366642]

>>20366634
Culiano.

[Anonymous No.20366657]

>>20366634
Ficino's commentaries on the shorter Platonic dialogues, good starting point. More here:
https://shepheardwalwyn.com/product-tag/marsilio-ficino/

[Anonymous No.20366671]

>>20366346
Very naive. Pagan Platonism was stagnant and have no concept of development through time, the Jewish concept of creation of the universe at a beginning point, as opposed to the Pagan eternal emanation of a steady state universe, forced Christian (and to a leser extant Islamic) Platonists to engage with a philosophy of change and time, reaching a high point with Eriguena's dialectics.

[Anonymous No.20366685]

>>20366139
Kabbalism is a late 13th century mystification of Neoplatonism, it's of some interest but fundamentally you're better off returning to the philosophical sources that inspired it than dwelling too deep into the magic mire.

Eriguena, and even Proclus, had advanced Platonism beyond what the Zohar was attempting to recreate.

[Anonymous No.20366726]

>>20365989
Ibn Arabi did exactly that and way before him. But I like Ficino too. Ibn Arabi is one of the greatest theologians of all time.

[Anonymous No.20366771]

>>20366441
Spinoza was banished from the Jewish community by other Jews lol. Is that not worth something?

[Anonymous No.20366774]

>>20366726
He's derivative of Christian Platonists who came before him: Dionysus, Maximus the Confessor, Gregory of Nyssa, Eriugena, as well as Plotinus (the Arabic Aristotle). Not that's there's anything wrong with that or that he didn't make contributions and innovations, but he comes from a school that predates him by ~1500 years, as it does Ficino's ~1900 years, and that the first effort of reconciling the eternal emanation theory of Plato with the creation dogma of Judaic monotheism was done by Jews and Christians for a millenium before Arabi and was well established centuries before the advent of Islam.

[Anonymous No.20366799]

>>20366774
>Ficino is the only philosopher in history who was able to determine the exact equilibrium point

So which is it?

Dionysius, Nysssa, Plotinus are far too apophatic and transcendent. Maximus has much in common with Ibn Arabi, not familiar with Eriugena. I'm just pointing out that it misses to the mark to state Ficino was the first. Why not Aquinas with his analogy of being?

[Anonymous No.20366977]

>>20365976
>>20365982
>>20366002
Wasn't he funded by the Medicis?

[Anonymous No.20366980]

>>20366977
Yes, the Platonic Academy was a Medici project.

[Anonymous No.20367079]

>>20366977
Yes

[Anonymous No.20367098]

>>20366799
Plato (or Socrates) was the first, I'm not having a go at you, but there is a tendancy for people to fall in love with figures like Ficino or Arabi and not acknowledge their antecedents and that they come from a school of thought that developed through history. Often their innovations or approach is motivated by the developments and challenges their predecessors in the school faced, or to update the central ideas to new philosophical or religious developments.

[Anonymous No.20367108]

>>20366050
He translates word for word and sometimes barely makes sense

[Anonymous No.20367111]

>>20366977
Most of his commentaries on Platonic dialogues were written to explain them to the Medici.

[Anonymous No.20367163]

>>20366977
>>20367111
Also, an interesting fact is that he was given the task to translate some hermetic texts (these later would be known as the corpus hermeticum) as fast as he could so that Cosimo de Medici could read these hermetic texts before he died. I think he had to abandon some of the Plato translations he was working at the time to work 24/7 on translating the Corpus Hermeticum

[Anonymous No.20367229]

>>20367163
Puts food on the table. Also helps to have a powerful patron when the Church comes knocking on your door afer you write a book about animating statues with daemons.

[Anonymous No.20367295]

Ficino's commentaries on Plato are some of the most difficult philosophy I've ever read. It utterly filtered me.

He is a very exit-tier writer and I still barely even understand his belief system despite having read him.

[Anonymous No.20367339]

>>20365976
Fun fact, Michelangelo was tutored by him when he was young; and yes Michelangelo was a platonist

[Anonymous No.20367427]

I raped his daughter and he hired a man with golden spurs to beat me to death and throw me into the Tiber

[Anonymous No.20367454]

>>20367339
>Michelangelo was a platonist
So was Leonardo da Vinci and Giordano Bruno. Chances are you'll find any significant figure of the renaissance was a Platonist.

[Anonymous No.20367478]

>>20367454
Bruno was a Vedanta chad

[Anonymous No.20367527]

>>20366685
>Eriguena, and even Proclus, had advanced Platonism beyond what the Zohar was attempting to recreate.
Gershom Scholem basically says as much in his origins of kabbalah, that the early kabbalists copied the works of Scotus Erigena, thus kabbalah and all its derivative influence through history is ultimately an extension of Hibernian masonic conspiracy

>It is not difficult to suppose that the first kabbalists of Provence and Aragon, around 1180-1220, had direct or indirect knowledge of Scotus Erigena, whose influence reached its high point at that time, just before the condemnation of 1210. Many Cathars too seem to have made use of Erigena's work
as is suggested by two extant testimonies. Writings of Erigena were no rarity in the cities where the first kabbalists lived, before Honorius III ordained the destruction of all copies found in France.

>This would also explain the strange deviation of the kabbalistic schema from the classical Plotinian hierarchy of being; it seems that the hierarchy of the Timaeus had somehow been transmitted to the author in a mystical transformation such as can be found in Erigena's book

>To be sure, many elements in the language of the kabbalists argue in favor of a dependence on Erigena

[Anonymous No.20367538]

>>20367229
>afer you write a book about animating statues with daemons.
sauce?

[Anonymous No.20367748]

>>20367098
Quick rundown on Plato perfectly balanced the apophatic and kataphatic, transcendent and imminent? There is too much that is not laid out explicitly in Plato for me to buy it.

[Anonymous No.20368254]

>>20367748
>perfectly balanced the apophatic and kataphatic
It was a secret oral teaching hehe, but here the divine names of Dionysus predate the Sufi development of the divine names of Allah. Not that there's anything wrong with that mind you, but they're clearly working in the same tradition of reconciling the ineffable One of Platonism with Judaic monotheism by a common method.

[Anonymous No.20368287]

Pagan shill thread. You will all burn in hell and, frankly, I’m glad for it.

[Anonymous No.20368306]

>>20367538
De vita libri tres (Three books on life).

[Anonymous No.20368323]

>>20368287
Ficino was a Catholic.

[Anonymous No.20368327]

>>20368254
I asked about Plato and you gave me Dionysius who leaves his approach to the transcendent and immanent fundamentally unreconciled.

[Anonymous No.20368328]

>>20368323
I’m not reading pagan drivel. You are an abomination. Read the Book of Joshua—it is your fate unless you repent.

[Anonymous No.20368335]

how come people don't talk about Proclus as much? the idea of henads uniting polytheism and monotheism seems really cool

[Anonymous No.20368339]

>>20368327
Well he should have studied Proclus and Iamblichus better.

[Anonymous No.20368342]

>>20368328
Yes, in the afterlife the real power will be yours big man, let the thought put a smile on your face.

[Anonymous No.20368350]

>>20368287
>> You will all burn in hell and, frankly, I’m glad for it.
> I’m glad for it.
> frankly

>We might guess, but Nietzsche says they have an authority to tell them about it.
>And Nietzsche doesn’t pick out Jimmy Swaggart or some second rate authority in Christianity,
>He picks a text from Thomas Aquinas.

>And you know, arguably, I think Thomas Aquinas knew something about Christianity, that’s my view. I don’t think Nietzsche picked someone out of the mainstream of the tradition, I think he picked a very important figure. According to Thomas Aquinas the chief blessing in heaven will be like this.

>Thomas Aquinas, the great teacher and saint, says
>“The blessed in the kingdom of heaven will see the punishments of the damned....
>in order that their bliss be more delightful to them”
> [crowd laughter]

>[long pause] [sigh]
>In the place of the Greek athletes we have martyrs.
> Surely you understand that this is drenched in more blood than the simple Greeks could ever dream of.

[Anonymous No.20368359]

>>20368328
the fucking chutzpah on this gentile

[Anonymous No.20368367]

>>20366362
>>20366432
what book?
>reeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Anonymous No.20368378]

>>20366176
Going to check out that book , thanks.

[Anonymous No.20368379]

>>20368350
>I answer that, A thing may be a matter of rejoicing in two ways. First directly, when one rejoices in a thing as such: and thus the saints will not rejoice in the punishment of the wicked. Secondly, indirectly, by reason namely of something annexed to it: and in this way the saints will rejoice in the punishment of the wicked, by considering therein the order of Divine justice and their own deliverance, which will fill them with joy. And thus the Divine justice and their own deliverance will be the direct cause of the joy of the blessed: while the punishment of the damned will cause it indirectly.
https://www.newadvent.org/summa/5094.htm

Along with quotes of Old Testament genocidal sadism against non-Jewish outgroups.

[Anonymous No.20368384]

>>20368367

[Anonymous No.20368396]

>>20368379
On the contrary, It is written (Psalm 57:11): "The just shall rejoice when he shall see the revenge."

Further, it is written (Isaiah 56:24): "They shall satiate [Douay: 'They shall be a loathsome sight to all flesh.'] the sight of all flesh." Now satiety denotes refreshment of the mind. Therefore the blessed will rejoice in the punishment of the wicked.

It really makes you think , doesn't It?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3uqv0eP7Tg&ab_channel=Movieclips

[Anonymous No.20368402]

>>20368335
>the idea of henads uniting polytheism and monotheism seems really cool
That is also what hinduism teaches, where the devas/gods are manifestations of brahman.

[Anonymous No.20368414]

>>20368335
Damascius is also very rarely talked about. Especially weird considering that his "On First Principles" is available in translation and is on zlibrary.

[Anonymous No.20368453]

>>20366270
Not that anon but his wife (who is a sociologist or something) is super pro-immigration and one of his books referred to ancient judea as "one of the great cultures of the ancient near east" which made me really suspicious of him. Like imagine unironically thinking ancient judea was anything but an insignificant minor polity after even israeli archaeologists dropped the "muh glorious JVDEA" thing with Finkelstein and Mazar.

[Anonymous No.20368464]

>>20368453
>one of the great cultures of the ancient near east"
You mean this Jews that always take everything from their Neighbours and then make their own? yeah, total brutes those guys...

>Not that anon but his wife (who is a sociologist or something) is super pro-immigration
Oh well......its ogre then.

[Anonymous No.20368473]

>>20368464
Put some of these through google translate and be horrified.

>In der aktuellen Flüchtlingsdebatte stellt sich immer dringlicher die Frage nach einem neuen Gesellschaftsvertrag. Dabei sind insbesondere drei Aspekte zu berücksichtigen: erstens die politische Durchsetzung von Menschenrechten als eine moderne Errungenschaft der Geschichte; zweitens die soziale Unterfütterung dieses rechtlichen Schutzes durch uralte kulturelle Werte wie Empathie und Solidarität, und drittens ein Kanon von Regeln des fairen und respektvollen Zusammenlebens unter Einheimischen und Zugewanderten. Für diesen Kanon, der jenseits kultureller Differenzen als gemeinsame Verpflichtung anerkannt wird, schlägt Friedenspreisträgerin Aleida Assmann den Begriff der »Menschenpflichten« vor, deren fünftausendjährige Geschichte sie rekonstruiert und für die Gegenwart aktualisiert.

>Bei Intellektuellen steht der Begriff der Nation unter Generalverdacht. Doch wer sagt denn, dass Nation automatisch ethnische Homogenität und eine "Volksgemeinschaft" bedeutet, die andere ausschließt? Das ist die Sicht von Rechtsextremen, die den aufgegebenen Nationsbegriff inzwischen für sich erobert haben. Die Friedenspreisträgerin Aleida Assmann ruft dazu auf, die Nation neu zu denken und sie gegen ihre Verächter zu verteidigen. Die Tabuisierung der Nation hat in Deutschland zu einem Mangel an Aufklärung und Diskussion über Sinn und Rolle der Nation geführt. Aleida Assmanns neues Buch möchte zu einer solchen Debatte anregen: Es plädiert für die Wiedererfindung einer Form von Nation, die sich als demokratisch, zivil und divers versteht und sich solidarisch auf die gewaltigen Zukunftsaufgaben einstellen kann. Der gesellschaftliche Zusammenhalt ist nicht nur in Deutschland ein Problem. Um die aktuelle Krise der Nation auch in anderen Ländern besser zu verstehen, ist es unabdingbar, die Narrative zu untersuchen, mit denen gesellschaftliche Gruppen ihre Vergangenheit, Zukunft und Identität bestimmen. Sie erweisen sich als ein Schlüssel für die Frage, was Nationen spaltet – und was sie wieder zusammenbringen kann.

>Der Holocaust und der zweite Weltkrieg bilden eine geteilte Gewaltgeschichte und damit eine Geschichtslast, die von den Mitgliedstaaten nur gemeinsam getragen werden kann. Die Europäische Integration kann nicht wirklich fortschreiten, solange die monologischen Gedächtnis-Konstruktionen der Nationalstaaten weiter verfestigt werden. Durch »dialogisches Erinnern« bei dem die Erinnerung an das Leid, das man den Nachbarn angetan hat, mit ins eigene Gedächtnis aufgenommen wird, könnten sich nationale Erinnerungen auf eine transnationale Perspektive hin öffnen. Darin liegt die große kulturelle und politische Chance, die in dem Projekt Europa enthalten ist. Die Konstellation der Europäischen Union bietet einen einmaligen Rahmen für die Transformation von monologischen in dialogische Gedächtnis-Konstruktionen.

[Anonymous No.20368478]

>>20368473
>Im Ausland gilt die deutsche Erinnerungskultur als Erfolgsgeschichte und als Vorbild. Innerhalb des Landes aber wird sie immer öfter Gegenstand von Unbehagen und Kritik. Indem die Generation der Zeitzeugen abtritt, die Deutungsmacht der 68er schwindet und Deutschland sich zunehmend als eine Einwanderungsgesellschaft begreift, steht auch die Erinnerung an den Holocaust vor neuen Herausforderungen. Aleida Asmann nimmt in diesem Buch die kritischen Stimmen zum Anlass, die Zukunft unserer Erinnerungskultur neu zu überdenken. In den letzten drei Jahrzehnten ist die deutsche Erinnerungskultur mit großer Energie, finanziellem Aufwand und bürgerschaftlichem Engagement aufgebaut worden. Mit einer Fülle von Institutionen und Initiativen, Gedenkstätten und Museen, Veranstaltungen und Programmen ist sie inzwischen für alle unübersehbar geworden. Sie ist durch die Medien ganz selbstverständlich in den Alltag eingebettet, vor der Haustür in Gestalt von Stolpersteinen präsent und überregional sichtbar in herausragenden Bauten und Monumenten. Doch nach dieser emsigen Phase des Aufbaus steht die deutsche Erinnerungskultur heute auf dem Prüfstand. Aleida Assmann greift in ihrem Buch Themen und Stichworte aus dem aktuellen Diskurs des Unbehagens auf und nimmt sie zum Ausgangspunkt für eine grundsätzliche Befragung unserer Erinnerungskultur. Welche Rolle soll diese Erinnerung fortan in unserer Gesellschaft spielen? Soll sie überhaupt fortgesetzt werden, und wenn ja, wie? Wohin soll der Weg gehen, und wer soll ihn gehen? Dabei richtet Aleida Assmann den Blick auch auf andere Länder und deren Umgang mit der Vergangenheit und befreit die deutsche Debatte damit aus ihrer Selbstbezüglichkeit.

Her name is Aleida Assmann, btw.

[Anonymous No.20368535]

>>20368473
>>20368478
The Holocaust is to the Europeans what BLM is for Americans.

[Anonymous No.20368541]

>>20368535
>muh Holocaust

You can thank Germans for ruining Europe once again! Oh, but by all means care about the opinions of a crazy German incel "philosopher."

[Anonymous No.20368638]

>>20368306
>The result—particularly in the third book—is a work which takes the pagan Classical god-archetypes quite literally, and personifies them with the planets which are named for them. For Ficino, the planets affect the tenor and vigor of the intellectual's mind and the health of his body. But the main thrust of de Vita is the notion that there are remedies and balances that can be undertaken to mitigate their effect—in fact, to change the temper, even the fate, of a human being. In this regard, Ficino shows his deeply humanist point of view, which sets him apart from earlier writers.

>The book's thrust depends on the tension Ficino tries to resolve intellectually—a tension that is typical of the syncretism of much of the early Renaissance—between Classical philosophy and religion and Christian belief. By filtering both through cosmology of Plato, Ficino attempts to reconcile these world-views.

Very interesting, the renaissance becomes more and more pagan the deeper you look. I suppose it makes sense considering it was largely initiated by Pletho. I wonder if all these influential figures were secretly more pagan than their public works suggest, cloaking it in language about the "celestial planetary influences" etc.

[Anonymous No.20368894]

>>20368638
>thinking that Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle were religiously pagans
LMAO
https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/42569/is-aristotle-a-monotheist

[Anonymous No.20368900]

>>20368541
>t.Anglophile Kike
Shut the fuck up Nigel Shekelstein.

[Anonymous No.20368941]

>>20368894
Seething revisionist crypto-jews are very cringe
If you were intellectually honest people would respect you more, but you are filled with deceit whilst claiming truth which discredits Rabbi Yeshuas credibility unfortunately

[Anonymous No.20368981]

>>20368941
What? Socrates himself was accused of corrupting the youth lol. These Greek philosophers were anomalies to the societies they lived in which were full of all kinds of faggotries. Keep coping tho LARPagan

[Anonymous No.20369027]

>>20368900
Anglos are pretty awful, but Germans are a bit worse.

[Anonymous No.20369031]

Reminder that Nietzsche called Plato a Jew, and not in a good way.

[Anonymous No.20369032]

>>20368981
Let me guess, you think they were jews?
Fucking idiot
If you think "The One" is synonymous with the Abrahamic Monotheistic God then you are outing yourself as a midwit

[Anonymous No.20369036]

>>20369032
Let me guess, you think only Jews were Monotheists?
Sneed

[Anonymous No.20369088]

>>20365989

I feel very fortunate to be an atheist so I don't have to put up with this nonsense.

[Anonymous No.20369131]

>>20369088
Atheism is for midwits who have no understanding of philosophy, yes

[Anonymous No.20369147]

>>20369027
>Germans have the fault of everything
>pardon my french
Fucking Anglos and their vanity.

It wasn't the fucking Germans that Starved Europe to death during WW1 and then WW2 you braindead cow.

[Anonymous No.20369155]

>>20369027
>muh huns
>nobody mentions the Nazis were reading the Americans and were inspired by their Manifest Destiny shenanigans.

[Anonymous No.20369238]

>>20369036
You clearly haven't read any plato, he repeatedly discusses the Gods, he is clearly, objectively a pagan you retard

>Now the great leader in heaven, Zeus, comes first, driving a winged chariot, imposing order upon all things and caring for them; and the host of gods and spirits follows him, marshalled in eleven sections, for Hestia [goddess of the hearth] alone remains in the House of the Gods. But for the others all that are counted among the Twelve Ruling Gods proceed in due order according to rank, each at the head of his own division.
>Many and wonderful to see are the orbits within the heavens and the blessed gods constantly turn to contemplate these as each busies himself with his special duties. There follows whoever will and can [this includes good human souls], for envy has no place in the company of heaven. But when they proceed to the divine banquet, they mount the steep ascent to the top of the vault of heaven; and here the advance is easy for the gods' chariots, well balance and guided as they are, but the others have difficulty.
>Phaedrus 246e - 247b

Plato thought the gods were beings that have perfect understanding of absolute ideals like justice, beauty and goodness.

He also thought that after a human soul has lived a virtuous philosophical life three times in a row it will cease reincarnation and exist with the gods contemplating eternal truths.

Stop embarassing yourself. He wasn't a Jew. Also Socrates was accused of preaching new gods, plural, not one god hence his impiety to the traditional olympian pantheon.

[Anonymous No.20369274]

>>20369238
> "Plato asserts His monarchy, saying that there is but one God, by whom the world was prepared and completed with wonderful order. Aristotle, his disciple, admits that there is one mind which presides over the world." Lactantius

> "Aristotle’s conclusion is that there is one ruler of the whole universe, the first mover, and one first intelligible object, and one first good, whom above he called God (1074:C 2544), who is blessed for ever and ever." Aquinas

> "However, we must discuss this question by beginning with what has already been laid down and established. For the first principle and primary being is both essentially and accidentally immovable, but it causes the primary motion, which is eternal and unique. And since that which is moved must be moved by something else, the first mover must be essentially immovable, and eternal motion must be caused by an eternal mover, and a single motion by a single thing." Aristotle

> "Further, in virtue of what the numbers, or soul and body, or in general the form and the object, are one, no one attempts to explain; nor is it possible to do so except on our theory, that it is the moving cause that makes them one. As for those who maintain that mathematical number is the primary reality, and so go on generating one substance after another and finding different principles for each one, they make the substance of the universe incoherent (for one substance in no way affects another by its existence or non-existence) and give us a great many governing principles. But the world must not be governed badly: The rule of many is not good; let one be the ruler." Aristotle, Met. 12.1075b-1076a

> "It is [Aristotle's] view that, strictly, there can only be one ultimate cause of rational change in general — only one God. This is because what Aristotle is searching for is the ultimate explanation and cause of rational change in nature as a whole. But evidently there can only be one such whole. So there can only be one ultimate explanation and cause of it. It is perhaps above all because there can only be one God that God cannot be identical with the inseparable form of the outermost heaven. It is true that, in virtue of its spatial position, there can only be one outermost heaven. For only one thing can be outermost in space, i.e. can bound and delimit everything that is in space and indeed space itself." Vasilis Politis

> ocrates believes that the Gods and Goddesses are aspects of the same monotheistic deity. In the original text Plato uses both singular and plural forms of "Theos" much like ancient Hindu texts use the singular and plural form of "Deva" (Sanskrit word for God). Socrates believed that his inner daimonion was his, and all of our, means of communication with this deity. On a monotheistic view it is very similar to how Christian theology considers the Holy Spirit in relation to the Godhead.

Cope harder
https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/40477/who-is-plato-and-socrates-god

[Anonymous No.20369328]

>>20369274

Just stop you are embarrassing yourself christcuck.

>As the variation between plural and singular forms can thus be shown to be independent of the referents of Plato’s word θεός, one needs to look for another reason why he had no difficulties alternating between the two forms. W.K.C. Guthrie suggested that this means that the singular form has a collective meaning.29 About the same time, Gilbert François conducted research into the matter in Greek literature from Homer to Plato, and came to a similar conclusion: there is no significant difference between the plural and the singular form of ὁ θεός, and this is not even typical of Plato:

>In our opinion, the multiplicity of the gods was an idea that was so indubitable to the Greeks, and, moreover, the word θεός was so commonly used in the singular with a collective value, that, even in the dialogues where he gives it a very particular sense, Plato, as a matter of logic, did not see any reason to differ from this lively tradition.

>The evidence that Plato shows genuine respect to the traditional gods is overwhelming. Aikaterini Lefka has been investigating the numeric features of the mentions of different traditional gods, and the results are undeniable: the gods are mentioned in all the works of Plato, in all sorts of contexts (discussing the cosmos, the city, human nature, or everyday activities), from occasional invocations over pledges of worship through descriptions of their nature. The context is mostly not ironic or meant to put things in perspective.53 The gods are inscribed in Plato’s societal and educational project, and certainly not as mere adornment or metaphor. As Daniel Babut puts it:

>François does distinguish, however, between a ‘collective’ use and a ‘generic’ use. The most obvious explanation is thus that ὁ θεός is a collective term, by which ‘all gods’ (‘l’ensemble des dieux, autrement dit le monde divin, le ciel’) are indicated under the heading of ‘god’. The ‘generic’ use is more precise. In this sense, ὁ θεός refers to the genus of the gods: ‘the divine seen as a type representing the class (all that is god)’.

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[Anonymous No.20369334]

>>20369328
>One would be tempted to say, parodying Plato’s words, that the Olympians were not just useful to him from a societal, educative or legislative viewpoint – as they are the indispensable ground for the religion of the city – but that Plato still envisages them as true, whereby the two criteria, the theological and the utilitarian, meet again.54

>Plato thus takes the traditional gods seriously. Moreover, they keep their traditional characters and fields of influence, even though, as one would expect, Plato never describes them in terms that are contrary to his ‘patterns for theology’. Zeus, for example, who is by far the most frequently mentioned god, is the king among the gods (‘god of the gods’, according to Critias 121b). Plato’s Zeus warrants divine justice as an impartial judge,55 as he did in Homeric/ Hesiodic and tragic myth.

>Plato's Gods - Gerd Van Riel

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[Anonymous No.20369498]

>>20369334
>“stop embarrassing yourself”
>proceeds to quote a useless book mentioned or R*ddit
LOL
“Platonismus fürs Volk”
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2249877

[Anonymous No.20369503]

>>20369334
There's no real pagan who ever said anything of worth. If mentioning the word “gods” makes you a pagan, then Moses was Pagan for writing about the elohim. Dumb chud

[Anonymous No.20369570]

>>20369503
>, then Moses was Pagan for writing about the elohim.
He was you dumb tranny;
Moses is an Egyptian name ignorant insect.

[Anonymous No.20369597]

>>20369570
AHAHAHA
No wonder wignats are so retarded lmao

>get fucked in WW2
>get used as canon fodder in US proxy war against Russia

[Anonymous No.20369628]

>>20369498
>argumentum ad Plebbitum

[Anonymous No.20369917]

>>20365976
I mean there's a bunch of thinkers from the history of philosophy that people generally don't talk about often. Ever saw a discussion about Abelard on /lit/? I think his obscurity might come from a variety of reasons including a lack of easily accessible materials that would allow an average reader to read and discover what Ficino had to say. What would you nominate as Ficino's most important work? Where do you think a newbie should start with him?

[Anonymous No.20369933]

>>20369917
See >>20366025

[Anonymous No.20369943]

>>20369274
>worshiped fucking poseidon, hades, and asclepius
>N-N-NO REALLY GUYS HE WAS A DEVOUT WORSHIPER OF ALLAH AND DID SALAT TOWARDS MECCA FIVE TIMES PER DAY WHILE STUDYING SHARI- WAIT NO FUCK HE WORSHIPED YAHWEH AND BELIEVED THAT JESUS WAS HIS OWN FATHER!
lol

[Anonymous No.20369948]

>>20366147
The man is relying on the sources at his disposal and yet you still find him guilty and aren't even willing to elaborate on what exactly he got wrong and instead decide to feign surprise

[Anonymous No.20369954]

>>20366325
>neopythagoreans were Jews
Unironically yes. They were Magians, not Apollonians.

[Anonymous No.20369966]

>>20369933
why do you think that book is good

[Anonymous No.20369984]

>>20366325
Post nose

[Anonymous No.20370022]

>>20369954
Pythagoreans came from the Orphics, who came from the Thracian Indo-European tradition
Not even slightly Jewish you dumb faggot

[Anonymous No.20370058]

>>20370022
neopythagoreans of the CE times were different from the pythagoreans of the 6th century BCE

[Anonymous No.20371033]

>>20366123
He did it to show that Christianity will have something Judaism claims exclusivity on

[Anonymous No.20371223]

>>20369238
Plato was a proto-Christian. The "gods" he speaks of are analogous to Christian Angels.

[Anonymous No.20371229]

>>20369131

The substance of what the earlier poster was saying is that there are really three possibilities with respect to theism: either you believe in no gods, you believe in a single god, or you believe in multiple gods. Although he derides the former and correct view, he is nevertheless constrained to acknowledge the position, even though he might still reject its actuality for some fictive metaphysical reason, or else simply deny the sincerity of any claimant.

Zero, one, or several. That is not philosophy. It is tautology, a banality so obvious that it scarcely needs articulating, but which he pretended as deep.

[Anonymous No.20371246]

>>20366152
posts like this make me realize 4chan is a mirror image of redd*t
I hate nearly everyone, humanity is fucking garbage lol

[Anonymous No.20371251]

>>20368894
Yes, they were all deeply religious pagans with a piety that would shame almost all people who have lived post-Enlightenment.

[Anonymous No.20371292]

>>20371246
>posts like this make me realize Judaism is a mirror image of Paganism
fixed

[Anonymous No.20371315]

>>20370022
*the Gay Thracian Indo-European tradition

[Anonymous No.20371321]

>jew this jew that
/pol/ ruined /lit/

[Anonymous No.20371331]

>>20371321
You can blame Nietzsche for that.

[Anonymous No.20371354]

>>20371331
>gentile this gentile that
Moses ruined Israel.

[Anonymous No.20371376]

>>20368287
Ficino was a Christian philosopher who rescued Christian Platonism from the centuries-long clutches of Aristotlean fallacy it had been in.

[Anonymous No.20371392]

>>20366774
>Plotinus (the Arabic Aristotle)
Plotinus was an Egyptian, not an Arab.

[Anonymous No.20371428]

>>20366387
Good post. No wonder alchemists preserved these visions in their own work blended with Christian symbols.

[Anonymous No.20371523]

>>20371392
Plontinus's Enneads were translated into Arabic as the "Theology of Aristotle" with Aristotle nominated as the author, hence the Arabic corpus of Plotinus is oftened called, or bundled under the heading of, the "Arabic Aristotle".

[Anonymous No.20371570]

>>20371251

You are making the mistake of thinking that a right-thinking person can or should be shamed by "piety".

[Anonymous No.20371591]

>>20371570
Are you ESL? "would shame" here means "would put to shame" as in the Ancients would outclass the Moderns in the field of piety.

[Anonymous No.20371610]

>>20366002
>an educated person should also study Hebrew and Talmudic sources
That alone sounds like jumping to conclusions.
Study it for what purpose?
To know your enemy?
To embrace?

Two very different conclusions.

[Anonymous No.20371633]

>>20366002
>>20371610
Why are you projecting late 19th century anti-Semitism onto a Renaissance writer? They are operating in a completely different historical spirit to you. Hebrew and Jewish sources for Pico would be another source, perhaps the most eminent as a Christian, of occult knowledge; Solomon commanding demons to build the temple via magic and other marginal myths and apocrypha that captivated the Renaissance mind.

[Anonymous No.20371646]

>>20371633
I am not projecting, I am mentioning. It doesn't mean that I accept it as valid, but that I anticipate it being brought up. The point I made still stands: now or then, just because you "study" something does not necessitate that you AGREE with it. That is true now for people then and it is true now, in the times where we would say (to make another anachronistic seeming comparison): "Retweet is not endorsement".

[Anonymous No.20371654]

>>20371591

Not at all, I am a native English speaker and your reading comprehension is simply poor, that's all. I understood your "would shame" as you underlined it, just here. My point (which you've ignored) is that piety or lack thereof is a meaningless category, much as heresy is a meaningless insult.

[Anonymous No.20371663]

>>20371654
Where did I imply there was a value to the virtue outside of the virtue itself? Pedantism at best, and that's being charitable. Nothing garbage posts.

[Anonymous No.20371673]

>>20371646
The Renaissance doesn't share your friend/enemy distinctions and any advice or lessons from them are not premised on them, they're not telling you to "know your enemy".

[Anonymous No.20371690]

>>20371673
And it wasn't meant for them. It was meant for the people who, simplistically, view anyone who shows interest in an author as condoning it. It was meant for the people who are making premature conclusions ABOUT him.
There are people TODAY who will discard any opinion they view as condoning factions THEY consider enemies. That this, too, might be nonsense is another subject, but my point was that you should not conclude what anyone's conclusion on an author is, now OR back then, just because he recommends studying the author, just as I might recommend someone read a publication from gender studies.

[Anonymous No.20372148]

>>20371223
>The "gods" he speaks of are analogous to Christian Angels.
No, the gods he speaks of were gods, stop this nonsensical revisionism

[Anonymous No.20372181]

>>20366176
>he must be interesting because someone i dislike does not like him
when will you think for yourself?

[Anonymous No.20372296]

>>20369948

This place is full of trolls and I did not yet know about this !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MADNESS

What a young (20s-30s) needs to read to not become like these savages ?

[Anonymous No.20373061]

>>20369238
>see, plato believes in the pagan gods!
>*quotes myth attributed to stesichorus where the traditional gods have no connection to homeric or hesiodic myth and literally just ride chariots and feast*
>*ignores the fact that the hyperuranian forms are more significant than the gods*
>see? see?
>*ignores that men only follow the train of the gods for the hyperuranians*
>see, he does believe!

[Anonymous No.20373067]

/lit/ is dumb

[Anonymous No.20373099]

>>20372148
Yes, great depersonalized gods like Beauty, Justice, Good, Rest, Motion, Same, Other, Being, Non-Being, Equal. Such glorious gods are these, and Plato rightly worships them!

[Anonymous No.20373613]

>>20366671
Thank you for making me discover Eriugena today anon, I am both in awe and extremely fascinated (makes browsing lit still worthwhile despite many of the idiots who ruined this thread...)

[Anonymous No.20373947]

>>20373099
No Plato believed the Gods were beings with perfect knowledge of these ideals

[Anonymous No.20373965]

>>20373947
The idea of the Good isn't the cause of everything?

[Anonymous No.20375373]

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[Anonymous No.20375583]

>>20371663

>accuses me of being "ESL"
>writes "nothing garbage posts"

Alinsky tactics.

[Anonymous No.20376559]

bump

[Anonymous No.20376573]

Saving this thread
>>20366685
What was the Zohar attempting to recreate? What makes Kabbalah different from Neoplatonism, anyway?
>>20367748
I’ve heard about Plato’s unwritten dialogues before. What are the best books that explore this idea, especially in the way this comment explains it?

[Anonymous No.20376661]

>>20376573
>What are the best books that explore this idea, especially in the way this comment explains it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z_9RTbbGcU
I have also heard that The theology of Arithmetic by Iamblichus is a surviving fragment of the unwritten doctrines.

[Anonymous No.20376666]

>>20376573
>>20376661
Some people also theorise that Sefer Yetzirah preserved Platonic Numerology

[Anonymous No.20376985]

>>20376573
>I’ve heard about Plato’s unwritten dialogues before. What are the best books that explore this idea, especially in the way this comment explains it?
There's a bunch of speculation by different schools of thought. Maybe the most noteworthy (still controversial tho) are the books by the Tubingen school about the unwritten doctrines. Some of the disagreement with their views has to do with their procedure of looking to what Aristotle says about the unwritten doctrines and matching them up with passages from the dialogues. The contention is that if the doctrines are unwritten, it seems counterintuitive to argue that we find them in the dialogues. That may be, but that's not too far off from the Neo-Platonists in their commentaries.

The Straussians talk about and speculate on the unwritten doctrines too, but often they're pretty far from both Aristotle and the Neo-Platonic philosophers. The one noteworthy exception is Seth Benardete whose book on the Philebus, The Comedy and Tragedy of Life, discusses the Indeterminate Dyad.

The other set of writings to look to are essays or the occasional monograph on Plato's Lecture On the Good, which one of Aristotle's students mentions. Lots of disagreements over that too, but as good a thing to look up as any.

[Anonymous No.20377535]

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[Anonymous No.20377550]

>>20365989
>Marsilio Ficino is the only author who has shown that God can be both imminent and transcendent
Wow. You've got some serious reading to do, my friend. I mean, first of all, he's already getting that concept from the Hermetic texts he's translating.

[Anonymous No.20377863]

>>20365976
Foucault was a degenerate pedophile

[Anonymous No.20378289]

>>20371229
The banality of truth!

[Anonymous No.20378494]

>>20366152
>I am unique because in my case I have genuine genocidal intent.
Are we seeing you soon in a Jewish supermarket?

[Anonymous No.20378531]

>>20368328
The prottie-semitic reveals himself one again.

[Anonymous No.20378566]

>>20371331
>Nizche Niz Nich Niii
It's always Hegel's fault.