Introduction to Traditionalism

[Anonymous No.20362317]

I would like to be introduced more to the Traditionalism. I already have knowledge on perennialism, I’ve read a quarter of The Hermetic Tradition by Evola. I have also read some of Evola’s notes on Codreanu, the fall of spiritually, notes on the third reich and fascism viewed from the righr (since I’m political). How can I attain a more spiritual mindset? I have been introduced to some Platonism which restored my belief in spiritual forces, however I seek to detach from the scientific and materialist mindset. I would like attain higher spiritually and a ‘mastery’ of the character. Where is a good starting point to Spirituality of the Traditional perceptions and lifestyles of man? Recommendations, discussions, authors, always welcome

[Anonymous No.20362379]

>>20362317
Plotinus

[Anonymous No.20362391]

>>20362379
What makes his work compelling?

[Anonymous No.20362392]

>>20362317
Read someone like Marx or Gramsci instead

[Anonymous No.20362396]

>>20362391
Plato with the rigor of Aristotle. Explains the concept of the monad perfectly.

[Anonymous No.20362400]

>>20362392
I forgot to add because we aren’t going back to traditionalism with 6+ billion people, dwindling resources and sky high property prices

[Anonymous No.20362405]

>>20362396
What is Monad?
>>20362400
What the collective follows is unimportant to me.

“ The second theme is apoliteia, or abstention from active participation in the construction of the human polis. Evola’s recommendation was that while living in exile from the world of Tradition and from the Golden Age, one should avoid the encroaching embrace of the multitudes and refrain from active participation in ordinary human affairs. Apoliteia, according to Evola, refers essentially to an inner attitude of indifference and detachment, but it does not necessarily entail a practical abstention from politics, as long as one engages in it with a completely detached attitude: « Apoliteia is the inner, irrevocable distance from this society and its values : it consists in not accepting being bound to society by any spiritual or moral bond ». (26) This attitude is to be commended because, according to Evola, in this day and age there are no ideas, causes, and goals worthy of one’s commitment.”

[Anonymous No.20362422]

>>20362405
>What is monad?
When Evola and other perennial writers discuss the “one truth” that all of history and tradition points to, they’re discussing the monad. The one source of being.

Go read some of Plato’s mystical works, Aristotle’s logic, and Plotinus’ Enneads for a full view.

[Anonymous No.20362425]

>>20362405
How you gonna live on your own land with overpopulation, lack of money to purchase said land, and corporations destroying nature? Unless you’ll practice traditionalism in a populated city?

[Anonymous No.20362437]

>>20362425
The political factors become secondary with my path to spiritually.

[Anonymous No.20362480]

>>20362317

Reddit is that way faggot, gtfo with failed meme ideologies nigger

[Anonymous No.20362501]

>>20362437
Just get into Buddhism, Taoism, or nondenominational Christianity (no tradlarping) like any normal person. Pick and choose how to build your spirituality as one size doesn’t fit all. Don’t put yourself in a box. I’d be shocked if Evola readers (I bet 90% don’t read, just use him as a brand) are spiritual people. They seem angry and resentment on lit.

[Anonymous No.20363200]

>>20362317
>>20362501
larp

[Anonymous No.20363438]

>>20362422
Idk about that man but working with old people dying has shown me after people die they have an orb of light exit their chest and go out the window, explore the rooms, or chase the mountains. Got video of it too. Old photos too.

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20363964]

>>20362317
start with guenon
ignore every other suggestion here

[Anonymous No.20364003]

>>20362501
>Pick and choose
Religion isn't the same as spirituality. You are recommending a mix of esotericism and religion, without fully delving into anything, which will only lead to more confusion and unrest, not liberation. If you are serious about initiation dedicate yourself to an esoteric tradition, preferably a Western one if you're white (hermeticism/alchemy) , otherwise just go to church and be a good christian, which is far better than being an atheist.

>>20362392
>read laic trash
lmfao

[Anonymous No.20364023]

>>20362501
Nondenom Christianity is way more of a larp than any form of tradlarping could ever be.

[Anonymous No.20364024]

Is there any explanation of this stuff that isn't just larping, schizo babble, or /x/-tier nonsense? Anything that a modern person with no supernatural beliefs can relate to or take seriously? Anything concrete that I can incorporate into my life? Everything seems to just be vague, nebulous jargon to sound 3deep5me while saying nothing of substance.

[Anonymous No.20364075]

>>20364024
The modern mindset is basically antithetical to the Traditional/spiritual mindset. Pathologically analytical and completely ensnared by the senses.

[Anonymous No.20364102]

>>20364075
>>20364075
This is why I want a simple, grounded explanation of traditional/spiritual anything. I want to understand if it is at all connected to reality, or if it's just fantasy.

[Anonymous No.20364125]

>>20364075
The mindset in the last 100~ years has been a complete rejection of Descartes demon, or Plato’s forms. The idea that the material reality we can interact with, may not tell us the whole story of the broader reality, does not have much intellectual currency in today’s age.

I don’t want to be that guy, but that is a rather Jewish mindset. Especially the reformed, secular Jewish mindset. For a very long time, the Jewish mind did not think much of a reality beyond this one. It was only until Maimonides and the flowering of Kabbalah that the Jewish religion became immaterially focused.

Look at the background of immaterialists and you notice something, hmmmm very interesting. All secular Jews.

[Anonymous No.20364132]

>>20362422
>Go read some of Plato’s mystical works
what are Plato's mystical works besides Parmenides?

[Anonymous No.20364133]

>>20364102
Read these books, in this order, for a basic understanding of immaterialist thought:
1. Aristotle’s Organon (proofs, grounding of thought)
2. Plato’s Phaedo (introductory concepts of the soul, forms etc)
3. Plato’s Parmenides (a foundational text in the immaterialist, Neoplatonic school of thought)

[Anonymous No.20364138]

>>20364132
Phaedo, Timaeus, sections of the Republic

Look at what Plato is talking about behind the text. For more on that, refer to Leo Straus’s esoteric exoteric distinction

[Anonymous No.20364154]

>>20364102
It can't be explained, you have to experiment and experience things. When you visualise an image in your mind, or are dreaming, what is really going on?

You are right to question it, there is so much quackery and LARPing. If you are genuinely searching, and can dedicate a significant proportion of your life to it, you could read/study/practice Intro to Magic by the UR Group/Evola. Magic in this context is misleading, since what he really means is transcendence essentially through asceticism. That would be my recommendation anyway, since they approach it seriously and scientifically, cutting out unnecessary dross like you'd find in Crowley or people much worse than him.

[Anonymous No.20364171]

>>20362317
quality bait

[Anonymous No.20364187]

>>20363438
Post them

[Anonymous No.20364212]

Why do drumpfnazi chads believe in literal magic?

[Anonymous No.20364215]

>>20364212
chuds*

[Anonymous No.20364229]

>>20364133, >>20362379, and >>20363964 are good answers unironically. I read Guénon along with middle and later Plato, followed by Aristotle’s Organon -> Physics -> Metaphysics. Starting Plotinus next.

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20364244]

>>20364229
>I read Guénon along with middle and later Plato, followed by Aristotle’s Organon -> Physics -> Metaphysics. Starting Plotinus next.
very based

I think following this path is a good idea
https://www.temenosacademy.org/foundation-course/

and guenon can serve as a great intro to Plotinus, Plato, Dante, St. Bernard and Eastern Metaphysics

[Anonymous No.20364248]

>>20364133
I've read Phaedo and Parmenides and a few other dialogs. I found them frustrating to read as Socrates keeps making unjustified assertions that no one seems to even question. I'm looking more for something for a modern person who doesn't understand the ancient worldview.

>>20364138
>Look at what Plato is talking about behind the text.
This shit is what annoys me. Why can't anyone just write what they mean? Why all this obfuscating mystery? Only frauds and charlatans need to do that.

>>20364154
>It can't be explained, you have to experiment and experience things.
So what experiments should I do? What things should I try to experience? Why is there no concrete guidance?

>Evola
>fucking magic
>approach it scientifically
I tried reading Revolt Against the Modern world, but dropped it after I got fed up with his mystical language that says nothing. I will try Intro to Magic but I am skeptical.

[Anonymous No.20364250]

>>20364229
>>20363964
is this a good order to start with guenon?

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20364251]

>>20364244
that said I havent read plato or plotinus (yet)

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20364258]

>>20364250
thats my chart so i will say yes
if u wanna get into evola

[Anonymous No.20364300]

>>20364171
I like the part about having read a quarter of a book and asking where to start with more books

[Anonymous No.20364326]

>>20364248
Skepticism is fine. The books tell you. Since you're a complete beginner, try closing your eyes and completely emptying your mind and holding this state for as long as possible. What if you actually got good at this and could sink into hidden stratas of your consciousness? Or try retaining awareness as you fall asleep, if you do it enough you'll start noticing things that others have talked about. All of it can be summed up in the metaphysical works others mentioned. It is all basically "to be". Right now you are hardly aware of the fact that you think and are manipulated all day by desire, you scratch an itch without thinking, you are thristy and get some water on impulse. Someone says something you disagree with and you automatically start insulting them. I get a dopamine hit from seeing a (You). We are enslaved by this force and must break free.

[Anonymous No.20364368]

>>20364258
all right, I'll follow it.
been meaning to get into evola for quite a while now.
i'm finishing critique of pure reason and gay science.
will start with genon and keep on with nietzsche on parallel, still zarathustra, will to power, human, all too human and ecce homo to go.

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20364383]

>>20364368
good luck!
sneedch and monke man are radically different but at the same time recognize that the West is/was in crisis
evola essentially tries to synthesize the two

>inb4 b-b-but Nietzsche was counter-traditional!!!
wrong. refuted by AK Coomaraswamy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEktHll6dMI

[Anonymous No.20364419]

>>20364326
>try closing your eyes and completely emptying your mind and holding this state for as long as possible.

I've done meditation before. It just felt pointless and I certainly didn't notice anything 'spiritual' or 'metaphysical'.

[Anonymous No.20364615]

>>20364419
Well there are many frameworks for this but they mostly all have the approach that you need to focus on drawing your awareness within and getting rid of all the superficial layers of conscious manifestation. Underneath sensory perception, thought, intellect, ego, there is an ‘eye’ observing all of this. That observer is mute, in fact it’s beneath the level of language. This is where ‘hidden meaning’ aka symbology comes in being the only way to communicate any deeper metaphysical knowledge. This self is also completely impartial to the material world and completely still. No matter if you’re angry, sad, lustful, hungry, and so on, you can always draw your consciousness to the level of this observer and it’s unchanging still nature. The question is what lies beyond and how is one able to access it? An eye cannot see itself. Even if it looks into a mirror it sees only its reflection.

[Anonymous No.20364720]

>>20362317
Evola isn't really the vanguard of traditionalism a lot of people seem to think of him as. He was a hyper-contrarian, extremely online larper who was viewed as an amusing weirdo by his
"peers." He had zero influence on the ideas or policies of the fascist and reactionary regimes he interacted with. There is a letter by Carl Schmitt to Ernst Junger relating an encounter he had with Evola. He was one of the few people brought to trial by both a fascist and a post-war regimes, only to be acquitted because he was a harmless eccentric. Then there is the issue of how traditional can you hate your civilization and it's religion, and want to see it replaced with your syncretic esoteric pagan-islamic meme philosophy?

[Anonymous No.20364732]

>>20364720
>There is a letter by Carl Schmitt to Ernst Junger relating an encounter he had with Evola.
what did the letter say?

[Anonymous No.20364805]

>>20364720
>extremely online
What?

[Anonymous No.20364821]

>>20364732
I'm having trouble finding it right now, but it basically amounted to, "LMAO, look at this nerd. He still wears a monocle." I think I last saw the letter linked by 2cb on twitter. Right now I can only find the correspondences between Evola and Junger and Evola and Schmitt.

[Anonymous No.20364828]

>>20364248
> This shit is what annoys me. Why can't anyone just write what they mean? Why all this obfuscating mystery? Only frauds and charlatans need to do that.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink. A good teacher wants his students to not be just a vessel for his thoughts. He wants his students to come to Truth in such a way that it becomes part of them.

I can tell you all about something, every bit of it, and it would still not compare to you actually experiencing what I am describing.

Esoteric writing is a chance for the reader to experience the Truth the other is proclaiming, rather than simply read a description of the Truth.

[Anonymous No.20364834]

>>20364805
He argued with people via letter, journal, and books. The internet of his day. The man reeks of autism, I’m not kidding.

[Anonymous No.20364849]

>>20364720
>chilled in the Wolf's Lair with Hitler and Mussolini
Lol
>retard doesn't actually underatand Evola's thought but runs his mouth
Happens all the time.

[Anonymous No.20364855]

>>20364419
Well sounds like you've got it all figured out then. You meditated poorly a few times and have no higher focus or concentration.

[Anonymous No.20364854]

>>20364805
Extremely online people predate the Internet or rather, I should say, the collection of fringe personality traits we associate with the extremely online predate the Internet. They've only become more common because of broadband internet and an atomized society.

Half of the books of the New Testament, not counting the Gospels, is about Paul dealing with what amounts to Extremely Online personalities.

[Anonymous No.20364862]

>>20364024
This will make the Traditionalists seethe but read Schopenhauer and Jung. They argue rigorously for a similar metaphysics.

[Anonymous No.20364872]

>>20364834
Obviously. That's what intellectuals do...have discussions, try to carve away at ideas to come to the truth. Go watch your shows.

[Anonymous No.20364882]

>>20364862
I am amazed at how few people understand Evola's interpretation of Alchemy.

[Anonymous No.20364901]

>>20364828
>You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink

The problem is esotericists will write dense tomes singing the praises of drinking water without ever mentioning where it might be found.

>I can tell you all about something, every bit of it, and it would still not compare to you actually experiencing what I am describing.

Then tell me how to experience it. You know, like a teacher in any other subject would.

[Anonymous No.20364914]

>>20364003
>you're white (hermeticism/alchemy)
So being white is about being a crypto-Jew who reveres the Kabbalah?

[Anonymous No.20364939]

>>20364914
Imagine this like I'm talking to a child: Hermeticism comes from Hermes-Thoth, so Alexandrian Greece and Ancient Egypt; Kabalah is Jewish mysticism, and a completely different tradition. Maybe if you spent time reading books instead of blabbering about things you know almost nothing about, you wouldn't need people like me to explain things to you like a patronizing douchebag.

[Anonymous No.20364946]

>>20364939
All of the modern Hermetic orders are deeply entrenched in Kabbalism.

[Anonymous No.20364948]

>>20364901
Awaken.

[Anonymous No.20364951]

>>20364939
>>20364946
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetic_Qabalah

[Anonymous No.20364959]

>>20364946
No they aren't, and most of the ones in the open are frauds. Read Evola's Introduction to Magic or his work on Hermeticism, there is no Kabalah, Hermeticism predates it and the alchemical Tradition associated with it is far more noble and ancient and exists without it. Can you read French?

[Anonymous No.20364970]

>>20364951
That's still Kabalah, not Hermeticism, the latter referring the to tradition of Hermes-Thoth, which is separate. I can cite Guenon if you really want. The fact that people have mixed the two doesn't mean Hermeticism proper is Jewish, use your brain. The reason Evola was such a big fan of Hermeticism-Alchemy was because it was an actual European Tradition separate from semitic influence.

[Anonymous No.20365008]

>>20364970
You're right. The Corpus Hermeticum seems interesting. It seems to be a mix of Hellenic and Egyptian influences, but later movements "New Age" movements that claimed to be based on Hermeticism syncretized a lot with the Qabalah.
I'm not going to waste time with Evola though. The source material is there with the Corpus Hermeticum.

[Anonymous No.20365012]

Take the shortcut and just read Mein Kampf.

[Anonymous No.20365014]

>>20365008
>later movements "New Age" movements
later New Age movements*

[Anonymous No.20365039]

>>20365008
Your loss. You should be reading as much as possible. Simply reading the corpus hermeticum will not provide any practical guidance, "concrete" goals, or really anything at all other than abstract concepts to think about that will remain beyond your experience. Don't be a fool, trust the masters.

[Anonymous No.20365068]

>>20364872
Evola’s writings were much closer to vindictive slam pieces, than honest discussion with people.

He has a tendency to write like a long form image board poster.

[Anonymous No.20365075]

>>20362317
You must be 18 to post here

[Anonymous No.20365089]

>>20365068
Ya some of them, Guenon too. They were elitists, the same as many people here.

[Anonymous No.20365114]

>>20365075
It's an obvious troll post, probably by some faggot leftist. Can you imagine being left wing on here? It's like the antifa soyy cuck and dyke hambeast that showed up at virginfest calling everyone a bunch of racists or whatever, and got laughed out of there by the mob of considerably better-looking autists.

[Anonymous No.20365231]

>>20365039
Is this book translated anywhere?

[Anonymous No.20365233]

>>20365039
Do you know what's the best English translation of Corpus Hermeticum?

[Anonymous No.20365289]

>>20365231
No, I'm sorry. Look for Alchemy Unveiled by Johannes Helmond, there is an English translation and I've found it online. It doesn't get into the various orders though.

>>20365233
No, I would just say read a few of them, since it should be read many times. It's kind of an impossible question, since it's already been translated a few times to get it into English, right?

[Anonymous No.20365343]

>>20365289
Can you summarize Hermeticism's metaphysics, goals, basic ritualistic style, and more in two to three paragraphs for me, while remaining grounded in facts?

[Anonymous No.20365359]

>>20365343
>>20365289
Also, I'm not interested in Evola's interpretation.

[Anonymous No.20365587]

>>20362317
>Where is a good starting point to Spirituality of the Traditional perceptions and lifestyles of man?
4chan.

[Anonymous No.20365601]

>>20362317
>Where is a good starting point to Spirituality of the Traditional perceptions and lifestyles of man? Recommendations, discussions, authors, always welcome
Pic related
>>20365359
>>20365343
>doesn't rate Evola
Imagine being this much of a Brainlet.

[Anonymous No.20365636]

>>20362317
so many fucking pseuds ITT
only dago >>20363964 is right
START. WITH. GUÉNON.
There is no alternative.

[Anonymous No.20365657]

>>20365601
Looks interesting.

[Anonymous No.20365797]

I want to buy this book, but it's too expensive and I don't feel like reading the PDF on my PC. It seems to be the best English translation from my research.

[Anonymous No.20366447]

>>20364854
How do I stop being extremely online? :( I was planning on taking a break from the internet.

[Anonymous No.20366521]

>>20364250
Guenon wrote east and west before crisis of the modern world. Hindu doctrine to East and West to crisis to reign of quality follows an optimism to pessimism trajectory.

[dago No.20366526]

>>20366447
get rid of your internet?

[Anonymous No.20366636]

>>20364914
Is there anything particularly wrong about Kabbalah? Or is this guilt by association? I don’t know about you, but I’d like to unlock the esoteric powers of Judaism and wield it against them.

[Anonymous No.20367045]

Have I understood Guenon correctly?
https://voca.ro/11q8wvUKZraL

[Anonymous No.20367860]

>>20362317
Watch this king: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aa8_dLpmk4&t=2875s

[Anonymous No.20367994]

>>20362317
>Where is a good starting point to Spirituality of the Traditional perceptions and lifestyles of man?
Don't read modern meme authors like Evola, get straight up to the sources. If you find them too hard to understand, do more research on those topics.
Hesiod - Works and Days
Plato - The Republic; Symposium; Parmenides
Abhinavagupta - Tantrāloka
Nāgārjuna - Mūlamadhyamakakārikā
Zhuang Zhou - Zhuangzi

pic not related

[Anonymous No.20368012]

>>20364821
>"LMAO, look at this nerd. He still wears a monocle."
That would make Schmitt look like the idiot of the pair though

[Anonymous No.20368013]

>>20362317
The only correct answer is Guenon

[Anonymous No.20368229]

>>20367994
kys faggot

[Anonymous No.20368462]

>>20364258
Dago if you don't mind mind I ask what's your belief?

[dago No.20368501]

>>20368462
On what?

Generally speaking?
Still working it out
a sedevacantist Catholic foundation but am exploring the eastern traditions at the moment (and over the next few years), so not really practicing anything day-to-day. Purely intellectual pursuits for now.

I like Guenon more but I’m a bit more Kshatriya oriented, a nietzschefag, and a sicilianfag so my outlook is closer to Evola senpai

You?

[dago No.20368616]

>>20368462
Can you be more specific

[Anonymous No.20368621]

>>20364023
churchie cope

[Anonymous No.20370189]

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