Nietzsche and Christianity

[Anonymous No.20344067]

Why do I feel like he criticized Christianity because of his love for it rather than to refute it. Was he secretly a Christian?

[Anonymous No.20344119]

>>20344067
>Was he secretly a Christian?
Yes, but you can't completely tip him on his head. We still need to deal with him as an anti-Christian thinker.

[Anonymous No.20344128]

>>20344119
Isn't he against Christianity as represented by the herd and the church. He respected Jesus tho

[Anonymous No.20344132]

>>20344128
So, another tolstoy, ghandi, etc?

[Anonymous No.20344147]

I used to think Christianity was weak but I've since realized I only thought this way because I myself swallowed the modern anti-Christian propaganda surrounding it.

Christian Integralism, for example, is still a genuinely powerful force and is making genuine strides in society to this day, one prominent examples being Roe v Wade overturning potentially, despite what other consequences it might bear for non-Christian dissidence. It does show that the religion has a hidden depth to it that belies its strength.

[Anonymous No.20344163]

>>20344147
>RvW
mutts are retarded more news at 11

[Anonymous No.20344182]

>>20344067
Because you haven't read Nietzsche.

[Anonymous No.20344183]

he never meant to "refute" it, my ape friend.
his problem with christianity was throwing away your life on earth, living like a slave following written rules that can't be questioned, and all that for the reward of living forever in the next life.
rather than a mediocre, humble, modest life, act in such a way that, to the degree that is possible, would make you happy to live your life over and over again 10000 times. that is after all his idea of eternal return.
the criteria christians use to define a good life is the bible, a source foreign to life. you must follow wether you like it or not, agree or not.
the criteria nietzsche established to define a good life is life itself.

[Anonymous No.20344188]

>>20344128
No, he has a lower opinion of protestants than he does of Catholics.

[Anonymous No.20344227]

>>20344183
Well said.

[Anonymous No.20344265]

>>20344067
No he wasn't secretly a Christian. He had a high opinion of Jesus but a low opinion of Christianity.

[Anonymous No.20344266]

>>20344265
/thread

[Anonymous No.20344296]

>>20344119
>Was he secretly a Christian?
>Yes
Prove it

[Anonymous No.20344550]

>>20344067
He's a Christian in the same way Ellul is, engaging in metaphysics rather than theology.

[Anonymous No.20344563]

>>20344147
Just two more weeks

[Anonymous No.20344582]

>>20344067
>>20344128
in referring to the man Christ, N notes how he went to his death without ressentiment, and considers this message to have been entirely lost on Christians. See section 40 of The Antichrist, or p 172-173 in the 9th vol of Stanford complete works
>Obviously the little community had not understood the most important thing, the exemplary way of his dying, the freedom, the superiority over every feeling of ressentiment:— an indication of how little they understood him at all! In fact, there was nothing Jesus could want from his death besides publicly giving the strongest test, the proof of his teaching [...] the veneration gone wild of these totally unhinged souls could no longer stand that evangelical granting of equal rights to everyone to be a child of God, as Jesus had taught: their revenge was to raise Jesus aloft in an extravagent manner, and cut themselves off from him [...] The One God and the One Son of God: both products of ressentiment
>>20344147
>It does show that the religion has a hidden depth to it that belies its strength
It shows that the partisan structure of the United States allows a minority faction within one of the gridlocked two parties to cripple the ability of the government to deliver on an issue favored by the majority. This will undermine faith in the government and vilify Christianity at the same time, which has historically been a position Christians like to be in, c.p. Roman empire

[Anonymous No.20344820]

>>20344183
This anon got it.

Nietzsche spent his writing career refuting many scholars and philosophers, but he didn't refute or even try to refute Christianity. He wrote "Dionysus versus the Crucified" towards the end of his life for a reason — because he acknowledged that "the Crucified," all that is recognized in that symbol today, was his immortal enemy. It was a call to arms for a war against a philosophical antithesis that will perhaps never end for either side.

[Anonymous No.20344826]

>>20344183
Someone who has actually read Nietzsche

[Anonymous No.20344932]

>>20344067
No. Anti-Christianity is the core of Nietzsche's thought

[Anonymous No.20344969]

>>20344147
Back to shitter tradmutt

[Anonymous No.20345047]

>>20344183
Thread/
>captcha: A S U K A

[Anonymous No.20345754]

>>20344067
Neitzche didn't accept the new covenant of God, that being the blood of Christ. He's not a Christian. He's in hell.

Also he lost his mind over a horse being beaten because he understood what was going to happen to people in the future to people. His entire philosophy had failed and he knew it right then, hence he broke.

[Anonymous No.20345759]

>>20345754
I should have said he's probably in hell

[Anonymous No.20345780]

>>20345754
There is no hell, no matter how much you have resentment for the people who don't believe in your Jewish fairy tales.

[Anonymous No.20345799]

>>20344183
>actually reading books and using sensible arguments from the works themselves
Where do you think you are, pal?

[Anonymous No.20345811]

>>20345759
Don't forget to mention it in your next confession.

[Anonymous No.20345916]

>>20345780
The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.

[Anonymous No.20345968]

>>20345916
Yes, yes, everyone and everything is bad, except your Jewish war god who is always perfect and good, even tho it created suffering and everything bad to begin with, but you know I'll leave mental gymnastics to you. The only good thing comes after you die after all, but keep up with your nihilistic world view, keep flagellating yourself mentally, you evil sinful person.

[Anonymous No.20346040]

>>20344067
You're correct, but more so his love for Europe. He was a misunderstood Mycenaean of the spirit.

[Anonymous No.20346044]

>>20345968
>rejecting the meaning of suffering
you fell for the classic blunder

Everyone -is- worldly and evil. We're flesh monkeys after all. Furthermore: The wisdom of the world is acquiescence to the saturnian energy that rules over this world. Were it not for the grace of God that he reached out to us then would we be? We'd still be animals engaging in orgies, raping and murdering each other moreso than we already do. You have the influence of Christ to thank for that.

[Anonymous No.20346069]

>>20346044
Ah Christians, the murdering pedophile rapists had they not been born Christian.

[Anonymous No.20346078]

what a truly embarassing display holy shit. this entire site is sorely emasculated and coping.

[Anonymous No.20346079]

>>20345759
>people who dont believe in christianity and that aren't a part of us end up in our Hell.
It really makes you think doesn't it?

It's like Gaslighting to a whole new level.
>We are going to drive other Cultures insane and thats how they will find the true way

[Anonymous No.20346345]

>>20346069
lol

[Anonymous No.20347635]

>>20346044

>Evolutionism

Stop saturnposting.

[Anonymous No.20348347]

>>20344128
>He respected Jesus tho
not really. he thought Jesus was a peacenik manchild that, while better than Christians, was nothing to admire

[Anonymous No.20348360]

>>20344147
>one prominent examples being Roe v Wade overturning potentially
multiplying blacks, mexicans, and white trash is an absolutely enormous L for civilization

that's the problem with Cucktianity--it treats every little dipshit as the most precious thing imaginable, a shard of God! but no, we're not good enough already. most people suck. we need to multiply the best and cull the worst. prolife is a nihilistic dysgenic horrorshow, literally the worst political position

[Anonymous No.20349098]

>the famed 'Nietzsche was actually a Christian' cope

Can christcucks just get over themselves already? Nietzsche very clearly was not a Christian, and no amount of coping will make it so

[Anonymous No.20349108]

>>20346044
The influence of Christ seems to do very little on raping and killing. If anything, it gives people a wonderful excuse to rape and kill.

If God exists, everything is permitted

[Anonymous No.20349113]

>>20344067
>Was he secretly a Christian?
No. Anyone who says this is just some edgy memelord who wants some le ebin big brain take.

Nietzsche is exactly as he seems, an agnostic atheist dealing with the fundamental contradictions of modern morality.

[Anonymous No.20349130]

>>20349108
This is accurate. Christianity basically had zero impact on Rome. Constantine was a bloodthirsty tyrant like the rest, the Christian soldiers were as brutal as the pagans, and even Alaric I, who sacked Rome, was Christian.

In fact many pagan temples were destroyed in raids by the Christians.

Christianity makes people 0% morally better, but it does give them alot of unnecessary anxiety.

[Anonymous No.20349149]

Nietzsche is a materialist. He does not believe in anything beyond the material world. As such, he cannot be a Christian.

To be a Christian is to believe that a man can be God, and also that a man can rise from the dead.

If you cannot believe either of these things with your whole heart, you cannot be a Christian.

[Anonymous No.20349305]

>>20349149
>Nietzsche is a materialist. He does not believe in anything beyond the material world.
Maybe it's time for you to accept that you're massively retarded?

[Anonymous No.20349310]

>>20349149
>To be a Christian is to believe that a man can be God, and also that a man can rise from the dead.

So Christianity is all about coping. Got it

[Anonymous No.20349392]

>>20344296
No because it's a secret

[Anonymous No.20349409]

>>20344067
>he criticized Christianity because of his love for it rather than to refute it.
because of his love for God. But that God is *Dionysus*, not Christ.

[Anonymous No.20349421]

>>20344067
>>20344119
ITT: people who hav enever read him but continue to reread the bible ad nauseam

[Anonymous No.20349422]

>>20345754
>He's in hell.
"“What’s that? Doesn’t that mean in popular language that God is disproved, but the devil is not—?” To the contrary, to the contrary, my friends! And in the devil’s name, who is forcing you to speak such common language?" (Beyond Good and Evil, #37)

[Anonymous No.20349436]

>>20349149
>To be a Christian is to believe that a man can be God,
No it doesn't.
Where in the Bible does it say that people can be like God. Jesus was the exception that's what made him worthy of worship right? If everyone can be a god why tf are you worshipping another man.
The belief that man can be God is actually very sacrilegious in Christianity.
How I know you just converted from atheism recently.
It's actually a belief that Nietzsche holds.

[Anonymous No.20349484]

>>20349149
Materialism is just another interpretation. You don't understand the Dionysian. It's beyond making statements about "reality."

[Anonymous No.20349493]

>>20349436
>Where in the Bible does it say that people can be like God
Open up Genesis and flip through the first few pages

[Anonymous No.20349502]

>>20344067
I’m so fucking sick of these retards trying to psychoanalyse Nietzsche in the most childish ways possible. Just fucking read his books you insufferable faggots.

[Anonymous No.20349530]

"When the emphasis of life is put on the 'beyond' rather than on life itself- when it is put on nothingness -, then the emphasis has been completely removed from life. The enormous lie of personal immortality destroys all reason, everything natural in the instincts, - everything beneficial and life-enhancing in the instincts, everything that guarantees the future, now arouses mistrust. To live in this way, so that there is no point to life any more, this now becomes the 'meaning' of life ... What is the point of public spirit, of being grateful for your lineage or for your ancestors, what is the point of working together, of confidence, of working towards any sort of common goal or even keeping one in mind? ... These are all so many
'temptations', so many diversions from the 'proper path' - 'one thing is
necessary' ... That as immortal souls, everyone is on the same level as everyone else, that in the commonality of all beings, the 'salvation' of each individual lays claim to an eternal significance, that the small-minded and the half-mad can think well of themselves, that the laws of nature are constantly broken for their sake - you cannot heap enough contempt
on this, every type of selfishness increasing shamelessly to the point of infinity."

- Fredrich Nietzsche

[Anonymous No.20349667]

Was Nietzsche a gnostic?

[Anonymous No.20350874]

>>20349667
Gnostic atheist.