Bible Thread V

[Anonymous No.20311265]

Previously on Bible Thread: >>20290322

Our opening question will be;
What is the best piece of literature written by someone in the same denomination as the one you’re in?
>Anglo-Catholic
>C.S. Lewis
>Mere Christianity (close second being The Screwtape Letters)

[Anonymous No.20311335]

I am scheduled to get baptized in a few weeks.

[Anonymous No.20311453]

>>20311335
Beautiful to see! May God keep you well.

[Anonymous No.20311467]

>>20311453
Thanks anon. Yesterday at church the pastor and my parents had me stand up front and he announced my decision and everyone came and shook my hand.

[Anonymous No.20311565]

>>20311335
I was confirmed into the Catholic Church on Holy Saturday, the other week. It truly was a once-in-a-lifetime feeling. I had been baptized as an infant by tradition, and never really entered into the Church. It was a once-in-a-lifetime feeling and will probably be the most memorable of my life. All I will say is don't be surprised if you feel a little empty afterward. On the night of confirmation, I felt immense joy, but on my first Holy Communion the next day, I felt underwhelmed. I think that was Satan's influence, trying to win me back over. But over the last few weeks, Holy Communion has been very positively emotional and I feel a connection. I would love to hear your experience. Best of luck.

2 Peter 1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

[Anonymous No.20311567]

I highly recommend Northrop Frye's two books on the Bible and specifically the language of the Bible to anyone reading it as great literature (which isn't mutually exclusive with reading it as truth)

[Anonymous No.20311656]

I honestly think we could get /tg/ to accept our general there. We would probably have to deal with less fedora posters also.
>What is the best piece of literature written by someone in the same denomination as the one you’re in?
Not exactly applicable to me. But the Gospel of Philip is in the same theological ballpark as me and I think it is a fantastic religious text. Perhaps not as good as Thomas, but since Thomas is just quotations, I do not think that really counts.
>If a pearl is thrown into mud, it will not lose its value, and if it is anointed with balsam, it will not increase its value. It is always precious in its owner’s eyes. Likewise, the children of God are precious in the eyes of the father, whatever their circumstances of life
>No one would hide something valuable and precious in a valuable container, but countless sums are commonly kept in a container worth only a cent. So it is with the soul. It is something precious, and it has come to be in a worthless body
>>20311335
What denomination?

[Anonymous No.20311677]

>>20311265
Just name this "Mythology Reading Thread"

[Anonymous No.20311722]

>>20311677
This. So much this.

[Anonymous No.20311730]

>>20311656
I didn’t know you could summon them like this, >>20311677 you have quite the skill

[Anonymous No.20311786]

>>20311730
Most threads regarding Christianity across all 4chan boards have been getting hit by an unusual amount of fedora losers for the past week.
Probably some discord tranny op from either r/atheism or the 'pagans' of /pol/.

[Anonymous No.20311791]

Is despair a sin according to the Bible?
What does the Bible say about overcoming it?

[Anonymous No.20311807]

>>20311791
Blessed are the poor in spirit. Be of good cheer. You will find peace that surpasses understanding.

[Anonymous No.20311872]

I'm protestant and have recently gained an interest in the idea of there being a "true church" that traces back to the apostles, as Catholicism/Orthodoxy likes to claim. I haven't had the time to research much, but I've always found that the Catholic's Papal Infallibility and some other doctrines seem obviously wrong, and the Orthodox denial of the Filioque seems incorrect also (but I generally know less about Orthodoxy). What other churches make similar claims, or does anyone have any other thoughts on this topic?

[Anonymous No.20311877]

>>20311872
There are the Oriental Orthodox churches.

[Anonymous No.20311999]

>>20311872
The Body of Christ doesn't need to "trace back" to anything, it is directly connected with Him. Do not fall for the Catholics and "Orthodox™" propaganda. Both of them pray to "Mary", both of them are filled with false doctrines and the traditions of men, extrabiblical fables, fictions. Do not make idols of earthly institutions.

[Anonymous No.20312051]

>>20311656
>What denomination?
Baptist

[Anonymous No.20312517]

I've read genesis exodus and judges to 2 Samuel.
What do you recommend next?
>>20312051
Based

[Anonymous No.20312741]

>>20311265
bump

[Anonymous No.20313110]

>>20311872
I interpret the true church as being the faithful adherents to Christ and His teachings. Catholics have a historical claim, sure, but the long and bloody history leaves much to be desired in regards to their spiritual one.
I've said before that I believe the current decay of many churches across the world is going to be part of Revelations, and from these fallen churches the secular Christianity 2 will propagate itself and spawn thousands of heretical apostate priests/preachers, and further bring the world down into darkness.

It's why I'm so hesitant to advertise any particular denomination of Christianity, because the amount of nuance and alertness you need to spot the wolves in sheep's clothing is exhausting.

[Anonymous No.20313192]

>>20313110
>the amount of nuance and alertness you need to spot the wolves in sheep's clothing is exhausting.
There are some dead giveaways though that shows a church or denomination to be the work of Satan…primarily;
>Woman priests
>Openly supporting homosexuality (I.e. rainbow/trans flags)
>Thinking other religions are just as valid as Christianity
>BLM worship
>Immigrant worship
Just to name a few of the big ones for me. If a Church engages in modern political discourse it’s doomed, basically.
I’d be happy to see what others think are some Church/denominational red flags

[Anonymous No.20313212]

>>20311265
Comfy threads

[Anonymous No.20313239]

>>20311265
recently bought the orthodox study bible as im thinking of converting
any ortho lads able to tell me how accurate it is to orthodox teachings and interpretation?
coming from a anglican background it looked like a pretty decent medium

[Anonymous No.20313389]

>>20311265
I actually think that The Great Divorce is Lewis' most brilliant work. I'm thinking of making him my patron saint when I'm confirmed. His works speak to me on such a deep level.

[Anonymous No.20313397]

>>20311872
You want Orthodox or Anglicanism, or Lutheranism at a stretch. They have all the same traditions of apostolic succession and so on as the Papists but none of the popery.

[Anonymous No.20313471]

What is the meaning of Genesis 3:20 bros?
''And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.''

Is it related to Eve's etymology?

[Anonymous No.20313487]

>>20313110
I've said many times here, there *is* no particular "denomination" that is "the one" or even just "fully legitimate". The Body of Christ is made up of true believers/followers, not one member less nor more. There are members of the Body sprinkled around in essentially "all" denominations, even among the worst, and there are members who are in no "denominations" whatsoever. God places each member where He wants them, providing functions that are largely beyond our comprehension, even to the members ourselves. There are times we are doing His will and have no conscious knowledge of it, but we do know that we make ourselves available to the best of our knowledge and abilities. Any claim to be the "One True Church™" is Satanic Babylonianism. God was born in a barn.

[Anonymous No.20313586]

>>20313487
I can agree with this. If there is a "true" church, it's probably so small and "insignificant" barely anyone knows about it. God seems to love using small things.

[Anonymous No.20313637]

>>20311265
bump

[Anonymous No.20313659]

>>20313487
I honestly agree, the problem is that there are many within the catholic, orthodox, and various protestant churches who will tell you that if you aren't a member of their specific church that you are eternally damned. This makes people afraid and because of this fear many people won't acknowledge this as the truth even if they believe it in secret.

[Anonymous No.20313681]

>>20313192
There's one I struggle with, and that is the exaltation of Israel. I recognize so much of the truth is lost in the modern machine of mistranslation but it is incredibly difficult for me to NOT see the horrible anti-Christian ethnoreligion of Judaism anywhere it goes, and even when I've been able to reach a semi-cordial conversation of the subject matter, the conditioning is so extreme that people get visibly angry when you broach the subject.

I just don't think I could trust a preacher who either spent practically no time thinking about the truth of Israel or one who spent too much time and concluded that they're justified in their heinous atrocities.

[Anonymous No.20313707]

>>20313659
>>20313487
Anglicanism has this view as a central concept. That's why it permits its members to receive communion from Papists, Methodists, Lutherans, Orthodox, etc.

[Anonymous No.20313740]

>>20313586
>>20313659
Never forget, the Jews claimed to be the equivalent of the "One True Church™" with perfect "Orthodoxy™", yet Jesus blasted them left and right. The Samaritans were a heretical offshoot, yet Jesus said the "Good Samaritan" was the true member of His Body and not the "Orthodox™" Levite. He also told the Samaritan woman at the well that the time had come that the Father was looking for those who worshiped in truth and in spirit, rather than either their own temple, nor that of the Jews. It's all right there, plain as day (light), for those with ears to hear. To attempt claiming an institutional monopoly on His ekkesia is Satanic Babylonianism. Call no religious leader by the title of "Father". There is no longer an institutional office of priesthood mediators between man and God. We, the believers/followers, are a holy priesthood, and the Body of Christ *is* the third temple.

[Anonymous No.20313930]

>>20313707
Anglicanism is pretty cool, if it wasn't for the ordination of women and the pro-LGBT stuff I would probably be Anglican.

[Anonymous No.20313955]

>>20313930
Go to a diocese which doesn't ordain women. I'm not really sure what you mean by pro-LGBT. Gays need help and support just like anyone else does, and to my knowledge few Anglican churches have ever performed gay marriages.

[Anonymous No.20314243]

>>20313659
Orthodox don’t claim this. It’s certainly the best and surest way to be saved though.

[Anonymous No.20314268]

Roe v. Wade just got overturned by 5 Catholic justices. Just thought you guys might like to know.

[Anonymous No.20314319]

>>20314268
Praise God. Who knows how many lives could be saved by this

[Anonymous No.20314343]

Martin Luther's "The Jews and Their Lies"

[Anonymous No.20314347]

>>20314268
>It's real
I can hardly believe it, our government is so far gone that I'm genuinely surprised when our officials do the right thing.

[Anonymous No.20314608]

>>20313955
I don't know what Anglicanism is like where you live. But I have had an eye on Anglicanism in the UK for awhile now, and they seem totally lost in a swamp of progressive, satanic sin.
Forget gay marriage or women priests, they have moved onto full trans grooming and drag acceptance.
>>20314268
It has not been overturned yet. It was only the leak of a draft ruling. But short of a massive left wing chimpout, I would expect it to be overturned by around September. This opens states up to passing abortion bans.
As fantastic news as this is. I think it is important to note that as Christians we should not just reflexively support total bans. I think we can all agree that there are some select circumstances where abortion could be acceptable (rape or incest) or should perhaps even be mandatory (retardation/genetic sickness).

Either way this is fantastic news. I hope that this is just the start of removing evil from the legal system (such as getting rid of gay marriage). First in the US and then across the world. It is such a nice change to get some godly news for once.

[Anonymous No.20314721]

>>20314608
>I think we can all agree that there are some select circumstances where abortion could be acceptable (rape or incest) or should perhaps even be mandatory (retardation/genetic sickness).
No. Abolish all aborition.

[Anonymous No.20314770]

Christbros I need some advice. I was thinking about converting to Catholicism because as a Methodist with doubts I was moved quite deeply by their art, hymns and prayers.
Now that I took an interest in religious history and am having large disagreements with the doctrine of Christianity regarding pascifism and being a walking doormat I am having second thoughts. Any advice?

[Anonymous No.20314773]

I prefer preaching the Gospel and staying out of the world's business. Any time you think something is improving in the world because your political team "wins" something, there is always a blowback ramification in some other way. Babylon Babylons, news at 11. Politics is one thing the JWs get right.

[Anonymous No.20314777]

>>20311265
Fellow Anglican here. Tom Wright's works are always good, nothing specifically, although I recently finished Surprised by Hope which was very good.

[Anonymous No.20314788]

>>20314770
>as a Methodist
Found part of your problem, and I would say that regardless of what you said after "as a" unless it was "Christian". There is no "one true" institutional church anywhere on this planet, but there are plenty of individual Methodist churches that are far preferable to any Catholic ones, for at least a long essay's worth of reasons. Pray to God and God alone. There is no institutional office of priestly mediators. Read your Holy Bible and pray without ceasing to determine God's will as best you can. Ask not what God can do for (You), but what you can do for God within your congregation, community, the world, etc.

[Anonymous No.20314794]

>>20314770 Augustine's just war theory. This also has implications in regards to self defence and defence of others ( family etc).
Pacifism has no place in Christianity. ' turn the other cheek' is in regards to insults. Jesus did after all take a whip to money lenders in the temple.

Tldr; sell your cloak and buy a sword.

[Anonymous No.20314820]

>>20314608
>But I have had an eye on Anglicanism in the UK for awhile now
Each church is totally independent, and those sort of churches are going to make headlines while traditional ones won't.

[Anonymous No.20314825]

>>20314794
I don't remember this in his Confessions. My reading of Scripture is that violence is only justified in self-defence and even then only sometimes.

[Anonymous No.20314838]

>>20314794
>Pacifism has no place in Christianity
>turn the other cheek' is in regards to insults
Augustine never wrote one letter of Scripture. He was a member of an already heretical institution which had hijacked Christianity for power, control, and wealth. He fabricated his own doctrines of men.

[Anonymous No.20314862]

>>20314838
>heretical institution which had hijacked Christianity for power, control, and wealth
Which of these three men taught heresy?
>St. John the Evangelist
>St. Polycarp, disciple of St. John
>St. Irenaeus, disciple of St. Polycarp

[Anonymous No.20314894]

>>20314862
Only one of those wrote Scripture, and thus is the only one I have any interest in listening to.

[Anonymous No.20314902]

>>20314894
So, you don't have any interest in the things St. John told St. Polycarp?

[Anonymous No.20314935]

>>20314902
Nope, whatever God wanted all of humanity to know was written in Scripture. Anything outside of that can be filled with the errors of men.

[Anonymous No.20314945]

>>20314935
I see. So you only care about those who wrote Scripture. So, when St. Paul writes in 2 Thessalonians 2:15
>Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
you read it as
>Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, not by word, but only by our epistle.
Right? So, when St. John wrote Scripture, that's one thing, but when he taught verbally to his disciples, in this case St. Polycarp, you believe he was probably bullshitting? Okay, I was just making sure that your unbiblical beliefs are just as unbiblical as I assumed. Carry on. I pray for you.

[Anonymous No.20314961]

>>20314945
Paul was speaking to people before Scripture was complete, who didn't even have the gospels yet. Once Scripture was complete the traditions he spoke of were codified in writ as God intended so that all of humanity had full access to truth.

[Anonymous No.20314965]

>>20314961
I pray for you. I'm sure Jesus knows you don't mean to say St. John was full of shit, as you do, but you can't help yourself.

[Anonymous No.20315658]

>>20314965
Bless your charitable attitude anon.

[Anonymous No.20315792]

What is the best audiobible out there? When I try to sit down and read scripture my brain forces me to do almost anything else.

[Anonymous No.20315802]

>>20315792
I really like listening to Johnny Cash reading the New Testament.
I only wish he did the OT.
It’s available on audible or they’re on all YouTube.

https://youtu.be/QsJ8Om3Y6_E

[Anonymous No.20315828]

>>20314961
Where is it written in the Bible that tradition is irrelevant once scripture is complete?

[Anonymous No.20315856]

>>20313471
The name Eve is related to the hebrew word for life

[Anonymous No.20315923]

>>20311335
Congratulations anon!

[Anonymous No.20316018]

I feel like Presbyterianism (as an Ecclesiastical polity, not talking about Calvinist theology) seems the most like how the early church is described in Acts and the Epistles

[Anonymous No.20316029]

>>20315792
I searched pirate sites for any non-Amerilard audio version of the Bible, even just the NT, but found very little.

[Anonymous No.20316035]

>>20311265

[Anonymous No.20316055]

>>20316035
>DUDE, DRUGS
Piss off lad, go back to watching pseudo-intellectual podcasts and wasting everyone else's time at the gas station when you're buying scratchers.

[Anonymous No.20316079]

>>20316055
>insults the poor and dumb
Uh huh

[Anonymous No.20316091]

>>20316079
>poor and dumb
Thou sayest it, not I.
Go shill psychedelics as a vehicle for "religious" experience somewhere else, leech.

[Anonymous No.20316097]

>>20316091
>leech
>shill
These words have meanings which don't correspond to your usage.

[Anonymous No.20316180]

>>20314788
I think that part of my problem may also be that I see god less as the one found in the old testament, and part of the Hebrew pantheon with ties to the Indo-Europeans, and more so as the prime mover. I don't believe in the Jewish mythology at all, or believe that if it holds water other IE faiths should hold just as much. Absolutely heretical I know, but when studying other Biblical texts and religions, as well as the history surrounding them thats the conclusion I came to.

[Anonymous No.20316279]

>>20316180
now have a deeper thought here.
God exists, and was known by the first people around. with generations going by, the ones who went away had crumbs of what God is, and made themselves empty idols instead.
all of the mythology is either made up, or a copy/part of what they knew of God with their own bits (aka not following Law and it only giving you good things, for example) added on.

to be concise, it's similar to what God is because they tried to sound convincing by taking a bit of truth as a veneer (like heretical cults like JWs do).

[Anonymous No.20316294]

>>20316180
>>20316279
also, there's no "hebrew pantheon"
all they had was God and their man-made idols (which i suppose are what you're grouping Him with)

try to not have that skeptic lens over your reading, or trying to contrast the Bible with lies. it's merely not letting you understand it.

>other Biblical texts
i hope you don't mean extra-canonical nonsense

[Anonymous No.20316315]

>>20316180
and, to finish off, both views perfectly fit.
had a read of Aquinas yet? he discusses the prime mover idea.

not proper to limit God to those concepts though.

[Anonymous No.20316395]

>>20316294
IIRC early Hebrew theology sprouted out of Canaanite and other NE/IE religions.

>all they had was God and their man-made idols (which i suppose are what you're grouping Him with)
I don't think Hebrew theology really holds anymore weight than any other branch of IE religions. The NT is good, but it was entirely expanded upon by Greek/Roman philosophers, with the EOD having lots of Indo-European theological tropes like the death/rebirth of the world, slaying of the dragon and rebirth of the self.

>>20316315
>and, to finish off, both views perfectly fit.
had a read of Aquinas yet? he discusses the prime mover idea.
I started to and am still going through it. I actually started after reading the Eddas.

>>20316279
>God exists, and was known by the first people around. with generations going by, the ones who went away had crumbs of what God is, and made themselves empty idols instead.
all of the mythology is either made up, or a copy/part of what they knew of God with their own bits (aka not following Law and it only giving you good things, for example) added on.
None of them are really idols, just rehashing of the same tropes in different cultural contexts. The IE pantheon extends from Ireland all the way to India and all are fairly connected with their pantheon and parallels. It even seeped into the middle east and they had their own parallels thanks to the IE invasion.

[Anonymous No.20316457]

>>20311872
body is temple

[Anonymous No.20316479]

>>20315792
The ESV app has an excellent audio reader. I sleep to it a lot.

[Anonymous No.20316514]

>>20311565
>>20311335
Wonderful to hear frends!

[Anonymous No.20316537]

Catholic - Lord of the Rings
Protestant - Narnia (Lewis generally)
Orthodox - Brothers Karamazov
Simple as

[Anonymous No.20316647]

>>20315792
Scourby KJV covers the entire Old and New Testaments, no Deuterocanonical books though.
Fr. Hugh Thwaites Spoken New Testament covers the Knox version of the four Gospels, Acts, and the Apocalypse of John.

[Anonymous No.20316658]

>>20316647
James Earl Jones also recorded the KJV NT and Johnny Cash the NKJV NT, if one wants.

[Anonymous No.20316663]

>>20316658
>James Earl Jones also recorded the KJV NT
didn't know this, definitely gonna check that out, thank you brother

[Anonymous No.20316863]

>>20311265
Planning to buy a Knox Bible whenever I can find one that isn't $500. My love for the translation grows the more I read and the more I learn about it.

Pic related is what really convinced me. Honestly, it's just beautiful.

That said, are they any other hiddem gems like this? Preferably using different manuscripts to the Vulgate.

Alter's Masoretic translation seems to be comparable from the descriptions I've read. But I haven't looked too deeply into it, since I simply don't care for the Masoretic much

[Anonymous No.20316880]

>>20313740
This is a good post. Thank you

[Anonymous No.20316896]

>>20316863
I am not an expert on this stuff but doesn't the Masoeretic version have some kind of subversive gnostic or Zionist propaganda or something? I think I heard that somewhere but I don't know desu

[Anonymous No.20316900]

>>20313659
>the problem is that there are many within the catholic, orthodox, and various protestant churches who will tell you that if you aren't a member of their specific church that you are eternally damned.
Yeah I've heard thus said. Current Baptist church I attend, pastor views members of other denominations as brothers/sisters in Christ (assuming they believe Jesus is the only way to salvation and acknowledge him as God).
It's something that's hard to think about, because you want the place you go to to be 100% correct in theological matters but my pastor admits that he probably doesn't have it all right

[Anonymous No.20316906]

>>20316880
I'm glad it has served. Hold on to Him and let everything else fly off.

[Anonymous No.20316914]

>>20311872
Ethiopian Orthodox, you get cool books like Enoch, and stone hewn churches.

[Anonymous No.20316927]

>>20316900
Truly based sounding pastor. This is the correct view. As I said above, I am sure there are many members of the Body of Christ even within Catholicism, despite that institution itself being Satanic Babylonianism. Anyone claiming to have perfect, complete knowledge of any of this is an incredibly arrogant fool. Anyone claiming the ability to make infallible declarations on any of this is outright Satanic.

[Anonymous No.20316940]

>>20316896
The changes are overstated by /pol/ desu, it's more so the interpretation the Jews used that has changed for the worse.
The text itself is... ok. But the value I see in it is that it's one of the oldest Hebrew witnesses to the Hebrew tradition used by the Apostles that we still have (look at St. Jerome's arguments, before anyone says they only used the Septuagint).

But that is one of the reasons I don't care too deeply for the text. For me, it's
>Septuagint
>Vulgate
>Peshitta
>Masoretic

[Anonymous No.20316951]

>>20316863
Baronius Press prints the Knox still iirc, have you checked them out?

[Anonymous No.20316986]

>>20316951
Yeah they do, but they don't ship to Australia. So I have to go through a package-forwarding company and I'm not sure how much it'll end up costing yet. That said, I might be going interstate in a few weeks time, where a friend says a few Cathedrals sell it. So God-willing I'll be able to pick up a copy there and if not try to work out how tf package-forwarding works

[Anonymous No.20316993]

In the past before I became a Christian I went through a very edgy atheist phase and I literally mocked Jesus Christ. Is this unforgiveable?

[Anonymous No.20317004]

>>20316993
I went through the same phase, it's without a doubt forgivable. The only unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, and that's not something as simple as mocking Him or any other Person of the Trinity

[Anonymous No.20317009]

>>20317004
>The only unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit
What exactly does this mean

[Anonymous No.20317010]

>>20316993
>Is this unforgiveable
No, I'm sure Paul mocked Christ while he was persecuting Christians.

[Anonymous No.20317030]

>>20316993
I have it on good authority you're already forgiven.

[Anonymous No.20317052]

>>20316993
Christ asked the Father to forgive those who tortured and mocked Him during his crucifixion, those who literally put him to death and laughed while they did.
You are forgiven.

[Anonymous No.20317075]

>>20317004
>>20317010
>>20317030
>>20317052
thanks anons

[Anonymous No.20317108]

>>20316993
Have you read Paul yet?

[Anonymous No.20317153]

I really like Tolstoy’s interpretation of Christianity, it’s the one that resonates closest with me, anyway.
What do we think of it? Probably heretical but I’d like to see some nuanced answers

[Anonymous No.20317165]

>>20316863
Knox's treatment of the Pauline epistles is probably the peak of the translation. I have a 1954 S&W Knox hardback (which I rebound) and a late 40s/early 50s hardback of his individual NT volume. My particular NT hardback has a quirk where they accidentally sewed in an extra signature of 1 Peter to Rev 4. Thankfully, this just means it loops through 1 Peter to Rev 4 a second time and then continues for the rest of Rev to the end, so nothing's missing, but an interesting quirk and a good conversation piece. >>20316951 is right that Baronius has a Knox, but it unfortunately still has typos after who knows how many new printings (most are in the NT footnotes, but some, including one in Genesis, actually are in the main text). It might not be worth the cost, but if you find an original S&W printing of the Knox, go for it. But the Baronius is the only "current" option unless you go for this paperback of just the NT: https://www.amazon.com/New-Testament-Ronald-Knox/dp/0872432297

As for Alter, if you want a Masoretic perspective, it's the best. Far better than the New JPS Tanakh, far better English (not quite Knox-tier, but probably the closest you can get in a modern translation), and the notes don't mince words.

[Anonymous No.20317173]

>>20317153
We are all examples of the machine of the universe.
It doesn't matter who you love, as long as you try to help them you will help the world, and thus yourself. In doing so, you will also realize that there is no difference between you, god, and the other.
So anyway Tolstoy is crypto buddhist

[Anonymous No.20317175]

>>20317009
Saying "fuck God"

[Anonymous No.20317177]

>>20317153
Once upon a time you could trust your Church and your State, but sadly we no longer live in such an era.
I'd say someone who just picks up a Bible let alone opens and reads it is already ahead of 90% of the population.

[Anonymous No.20317194]

>>20317177
The church was only able to be trusted while the Apostles still lived. Both Peter and Paul directly warned that once they were gone there would be false teachers and wolves misleading it. Obviously they were not just speaking to hear themselves talk because by the 4th century the state had hijacked it and was teaching fables and to pray to beings other than God.

[Anonymous No.20317205]

>>20317194
I should add, the church as an institution. The actual church, the ekklesia, is not a specific earthly organization. The members of the ekklesia are all trustworthy or they would not be members of the ekklesia at all. The trick is that there is no overt identification other than fruits.

[Anonymous No.20317243]

>>20317009
depends on who you ask

[Anonymous No.20317252]

Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.20317256]

>>20317252

[Anonymous No.20317286]

>>20317252
Fake and gay.

[Anonymous No.20317332]

>>20311265
Could someone give me some advice please?

Been a Christian for a while now, and I entered ordination training briefly for a church but my involvement left me quite disillusioned.

Openly teaching intersectionality, critical race theory, feminist interpretations of the Gospels. There seemed to be a low view of scripture and high esteem given to "current affairs".

I came to faith by the grace of God through reading the majestic language of the King James Bible, and yet this was always sneered at. Many openly derided the King James Version as an irrelevant, unreadable relic and many students preferred using "The Message", which isn't even a translation.

We also had a guest speaker who talked about nothing but the church's need to repent of the slave trade. Another was a Bishop who talked environmental politics and CO2 emissions. It seems it's all activism and politics, no Jesus.

At the church, the sermons were less about about gospel and more about football jokes, and local area organisation initiatives with local town councils (raffles etc). At meetings, some would openly say they are "a business" and need more money from congregations.

I left before finishing my training to save my faith. I would much rather keep my relationship with God intact and bow out of an institution, than stay in what I see as a lost "system" and lose my faith.

I've been praying on it some time and have found myself drawn to the Catholic church's Magisterium, and have found it refreshing to read the penny catechism. I am very persuaded by Catholic theology and Catholic authors (St. Theresa of Avila, St. John of the Cross, St. John Henry Newman). I already pray the rosary and it brings me some peace.

Yet I can't help but feel a sense of guilt and almost intimidation at the thought of entering a Catholic Church in case I am rejected, or looked at with suspicion for coming from a different denomination. Just feel spiritually frustrated and don't know what to do.

All I know is I can't stand the hard-left politics pit it seems my current denomination has fallen into and I strongly feel called out of it, but am not quite sure where to...

Could any brothers in Christ offer any advice, or have any of you been in a similar situation?

>Pic related, a snippet from one of the theology textbooks.

[Anonymous No.20317343]

>>20317252
Pretty interesting. Although, I think saying "An indigenous Translation" might be a little bit off. Which nation? Not every Indigenous person shares the same culture like a homogenous group. It'd be like saying a "European translation" of the bible.

[Anonymous No.20317352]

>>20317332
I would leave that church immediately if I were you anon. That is an Antichrist false church.

[Anonymous No.20317366]

>>20317343
From IVP
>The FNV is a dynamic equivalence translation of the New Testament that captures the simplicity, clarity, and beauty of Native storytellers in English, while remaining faithful to the original language of the Bible. The culmination of a rigorous five-year translation process, this new Bible translation is a collaboration between organizations like OneBook and Wycliffe Associates, Indigenous North Americans from over twenty-five different tribes, and a translation council that consisted of twelve Native North American elders, pastors, young adults, and men and women from different tribes and diverse geographic locations. Whether you are Native or not, you will experience the Scriptures in a fresh and new way.

[Anonymous No.20317367]

>>20317332
That so-called """theology""" textbook should be thrown into a fire.

[Anonymous No.20317371]

>>20317332
>All I know is I can't stand the hard-left politics pit it seems my current denomination has fallen into
We were warned about people like this, friend.
Timothy 4:3-4 - “For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear”
Like many denominations, they have fallen victim to these false teachers. Seek another, if you’re in the USA it seems there is no shortage of conservative churches, but let God guide you in your search. You’ve been shown a major red flag from these people who have put worship of our Lord secondary to worldly affairs. You will find men who know how to worship, they’re out there.
Also, the Catholic Church wouldn’t deride or shun you for being another denomination. I’m not a Catholic but go to a mass and see what you think, talk to people and see if they’re more in tune with worshipping Christ.

[Anonymous No.20317376]

>>20317332
Your issues come from institutionalism. When called by God all of the education you need is there in Scripture and within your daily walk according to it. All institutional aspects of Christianity are corrupted to wildly varying degrees. Some of them even mean well but are misguided. All of them are only capable of teaching you to their own levels and depths of understanding. While there are some aspects of Scripture that benefit greatly from sharing/comparing understandings/findings/etc., nothing comes anywhere close to time spent in personal, direct study. The world is filled with confusion at best, and few are they who more properly seek God. I avoid all politics and consider that to be one of the things that the Jehovah's Witnesses get right.

[Anonymous No.20317381]

>>20314608
>even be mandatory (retardation/genetic sickness)
I was with you until this point anon. I know there's a lot of nuance around this topic but I don't think abortion is anything that should ever be mandatory.
>>20314794
>turn the other cheek' is in regards to insults
I don't know if I would say you have to be a pacifist to be Christian, but I think it's an over simplification to imply this only applies to insults. I believe Jesus was telling us that we should never be the instigators of violence and that we should look for other ways to avoid it when possible.

[Anonymous No.20317389]

>>20316993
Nothing is unforgivable frend!

[Anonymous No.20317428]

>>20317332
Any "church" that is actively engaging in wokeist racial politics, you should move far away from. The only sociopolitical speakers you should ever see at your church, outside of debates, should probably be pro-life speakers. Otherwise, you're in a left-wing "congregation" that's using the Bible as window-dressing for secular social politics. I attend a Catholic church, and the homilies are always pro-family, pro-Scripture, pro-tradition, and when I talk to the priest after Mass, it's usually about books like the works of Dr. Peter Kreeft. I think the only presentation we ever had, outside of service hours, was an exhibit of a replica of the Shroud of Turin and a corresponding talk by Russ Breault, who runs an organization called "Shroud Encounter." Any church that shits on you for being white, like a church that shits on a black dude for being black, is not a church of Christ.

[Anonymous No.20317477]

>>20317332
I never heard of any church doing stuff like this ten years ago.

[Anonymous No.20317492]

>>20315792
David suchet (Poirot actor) does good audio bible recordings

[Anonymous No.20317543]

Is Christian Cabala worth looking into?

[Anonymous No.20317558]

>>20317543
for entertainment yes.

[Anonymous No.20317658]

What do you guys think about all the spiritual stuff in the Bible like speaking in tounges, healing, casting out demons, etc. I recently went to a new church that seems to be a bit more spiritual than my old church and i'm not sure what is right or wrong.

When i was young i used to listen to preachers like Benny Hinn. Later i noticed how fake their stuff is and that lots of things go against the Bible. Unfortunately this really scared me away from everything spiritual.

I now want to break my fear and revisit this topic since i think that just because Benny Hinn faked something doesn't meant the real thing can't exist or can't be right.

I'm really seeking the truth. Feel free to recommend books that touch on this topic.

[Anonymous No.20317668]

>>20317543
No. it's made up witchcraft nonsense masked with a Christian veneer.
>>20317558
Psalm 101:3
>I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes: I hate the work of them that turn aside; it shall not cleave to me.

[Anonymous No.20317679]

>>20317658
that's the Holy Spirit acting through us.
extremely glad you're not one of those who see such a thing and extrapolate that to the whole of Christianity; you know it was a specific place faking.
that said, not sure on books for that, so i'll just bump.

[Anonymous No.20317707]

>>20317658
>>20317679
oh, and never ever try to look for it outside of the Bible (i think of this as unnecessary, but just to be safe, i do not mean you shouldn't read apologetics and other proper Christian books, but do make sure they're proper and follow Scripture. remember 2 Peter 1:20 when judging that; as i said below, some try to trick you with their own meaning to Biblical passages, which is simply lying.)
the most clever lies keep a Christian veneer to lure people into sin.

[Anonymous No.20317793]

>>20317679
>>20317707
Thank you guys very much. The issue is that sometimes we unwillingly become slaves of our mind which polutes our understanding of the word of god. I asked for a book because i don't trust my own bias to not polute the truth but your right, i should ask god for wisdom and read his word. Also because i know my own biases but no the ones of the author.

The reason why i struggle beliving the spiritual stuff is because it seems to be the most comfortable thing to do.

Recently there was a guest speaker at a church i went to and he was a very spiritual person. He walked around the room prayed for people, prophesied, spoke in tonges and told a lot of miracle stories.

Two things bothered me about his speech.
First the Bible was barley mentioned i don't think he covered a single bible verse in like 1h. He did mention the love of god and the holy spirit a lot though.
Second, he told a story about his Apple Watch breaking and him praying and then he got 1k$ on his bank account from an unknown person and he asked god why and god responded "becaues i love you".

Maybe it's because i've been reading a lot of old testament recently but for me an Apple Watch is an embodiment of cosumtion and i have trouble seeing god support that while so much pain is plaguing other people that pray to him too.

[Anonymous No.20317826]

>>20317332
>Could any brothers in Christ offer any advice, or have any of you been in a similar situation?
I have never experienced a church that was that far left
That said there have been some I've gone to that were much more "modern"
Eg: allowing gay members, focusing more on money and trappins (coffee bar, fog machines, salaried band, etc) rather than God
My advice is to start praying for God to guide you to the right church and start visiting them.
It took me almost a year. Went to/watched service of I think over a dozen different churches

[Anonymous No.20317872]

>>20317793
the apple watch story made me wince.

something came to mind also, maybe 'on acquisition the Holy Spirit'. haven't read, but it seems good.

[Anonymous No.20317874]

>>20317872
*of the
oops.

[Anonymous No.20317899]

>>20317872
>>20317793
as said though, keep looking, it all does exist and happen.

[Anonymous No.20317952]

>>20317793
he sounds like a fake 'spiritual' person that uses spiritual people to gain money so he can do stuff like buy apple watches

[Anonymous No.20317989]

>>20317826
>allowing gay members
Any church which forbids them is no church at all.

[Anonymous No.20318000]

>>20316993
No, Jesus says that those who mock him will be forgiven.

Matt 12:31-32

Jesus also asks God to forgive those who mock him at his crucifixion.

[Anonymous No.20318001]

>>20317989
State your claim

[Anonymous No.20318023]

>>20317952
This.

I know for a fact that miraculous "spiritual gift" type things can and does happen. Yet, the times that I know about were more private in some respects, and certainly not in front of cameras and in most cases more than 1 to 3 witness sized "crowds" (I know of 2 primary exceptions to that particular parameter).

Every instance that I have seen on video of congregations featuring such things has struck me as clear LARPing, and same for the much fewer church congregation displays I have personally witnessed aside from those 2 exceptions I mentioned earlier.(exceptional in that it was both more than 3 witnesses. and took place in and during church).

I actually think there are at least 3 primary strands of LARPer in this regard...the intentional fraudulent scammer, the desperate to fit into a particular branch of Christian culture, and the fake it till you make it earnest desire to be a child of God's Kingdom and thinking It's reality depends on those types of phenomenon happening regularly and easily (which is directly related to the 2nd strand of the LARP).

I will also say that none of those involved of the events I personally know behaved in any way resembling any of all that stuff I have seen in the videos and most congregations of that type.

But them's just vague anecdotals, and who am I to attempt the ability to know and judge any or every heart involved in any of those congregations, and for every single person who is fully legit, the whole thing going on in the room they are in is worth it.

[Anonymous No.20318095]

>>20318001
How can any man who calls himself Christian turn someone away because of their sexuality? Christ's call is against bigotry.

[Anonymous No.20318117]

>>20318001
If someone is homosexual but does not act on their homosexual impulses, they're not committing the sin of homosexual acts. They should be welcomed and their chastity praised. You would be correct if you're explicitly talking about those in a homosexual relationship committing such acts and/or promoting the "virtues" of such acts.

[Anonymous No.20318119]

>>20317826
I don't think allowing gay members is really the issue, at least as far as just fully "no gay members allowed" without qualifiers, across the board. The primary two legitimate problems are those of active homosexuals as clergy, and sanctioning homosexual marriages. I agree with the above, that to simply "close the doors to gays" is no church at all.

[Anonymous No.20318409]

>>20318119
It was a gay couple
That's how I knew said people were gay

[Anonymous No.20318581]

>>20314794
>>20314862
Augustine is a heretic and he attempted to undo several doctrines of the Early Christians before him. Learn your history.

[Anonymous No.20318587]

>>20314794
>>20314862

[Anonymous No.20318593]

>>20318409
Allowing them to attend church is not the same as providing them with ritual sanctification in marriage.

[Anonymous No.20318814]

>>20311791
Thomas Merton has mentioned that despair is a symptom of pride, (and I’m very much paraphrasing here) because you are so sure of your own suffering that you don’t see any other way out, even if God Himself is providing you with one. And pride is one of the worst sins, maybe even definitively the worst, so.

For me, getting myself out of despair started with also getting myself out of my head, so to speak - removing myself from the cycle of self-pity. Don’t be so sure that there’s nothing that can be done. Good luck.

[Anonymous No.20318887]

[Anonymous No.20318907]

Is there a nicer KJV than the Cambridge turquoise goatskin?

[Anonymous No.20318920]

>>20318907
A USA printed and hand bound Church Bible Publishers Cameo and giving the difference to someone in need of essentials.

[Anonymous No.20318928]

>>20313389
Just read it recently after buying it on a whim at a church gift shop. Excellent novel anon.

[Anonymous No.20318945]

will god get upset if i call a nigger nigger in front of other niggers

[Anonymous No.20318951]

>>20318920
Does this even come in goatskin? And my dad wants to buy me a 30th present, it's not out of my pocket.

[Anonymous No.20318952]

>>20318945
If I die before you I'll ask Him anon

[Anonymous No.20318972]

>>20318951
No, it's ironed calfskin.

[Anonymous No.20318973]

>>20318907
I have a Cambridge Turquoise in blue goatskin. I've used it a lot. I'll probably use it more when I'm older because of the huge bold font. I prefer the Cambridge KJV Clarion in goatskin right now though. It's a nice modern text block, single column text, black letter, hand size but still includes the translators to the reader unlike many small KJV bibles.

[Anonymous No.20318977]

will the chinks go to hell for eating dogs?

[Anonymous No.20319030]

>>20318945
Just do it and if everything works out ok for you then you can pretty safely bet you had His blessing.

[Anonymous No.20319101]

What is the Church?

[Anonymous No.20319181]

>>20319101
The Body of Christ.

[Anonymous No.20319249]

>>20319181
Well what is the Body of Christ?

[Anonymous No.20319252]

>>20311265
How to believe in Genesis? If you are going to answar that it is a metaphor, at least give some arguments.

[Anonymous No.20319334]

>>20319252
Here you go anon
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1mr9ZTZb3TUeQHe-lZZF2DTxDHA_LFxi

[Anonymous No.20319389]

>>20318095
I don’t know. Maybe you’ll have to read the Bible.
>>20318119
>adultery committed in the mind
Sexual deviancy is a choice. How else would there be countless stories of people respectably repenting from such a sin?

[Anonymous No.20319417]

The more I read the Bible, the more it seems to go against Catholic/Orthodox teachings.
Can someone recommend me some videos or podcasts that use scripture and even tradition to show that modern day teachings are incorrect?
To be clear, I don’t want anti-Catholicism/Orthodoxy, just a rational discussion with evidence.

[Anonymous No.20319476]

>>20319389
Homosexuality is an orientation, not an act. I think you'll find Islam more to your liking.

[Anonymous No.20319480]

>>20319417
The Catechism of the Catholic Church.

[Anonymous No.20319520]

>>20319476
Homosexuality is sexual orientation in the same vein as heterosexuality, however sex (oral/penetrative anal) with another man is a homosexual act, which is a sin. It is merely the act of pleasure and can bear no good fruits from it like hetero sex can.

[Anonymous No.20319544]

>>20319476
No homosexual shall inherit the kingdom.

Christ is very clear, sinful thoughts / lusts are sin.

I think you'll find atheism more to your liking.

[Anonymous No.20319558]

>>20319520
>>20319544
No disagreement here, but maybe try sticking to the point.

[Anonymous No.20319650]

>>20316986
>Yeah they do, but they don't ship to Australia.
You can buy one from the Mustard Seed bookshop. It's 95 bucks.

https://mustardseed.org.au/shop/bible-knox-version/

[Anonymous No.20319693]

>>20319650
Very based. Disappointing that it's such a hassle to get anything in Aus

[Anonymous No.20319715]

Has anyone ever read the Book of Mormon? I won’t: that’s why I’m asking.

[Anonymous No.20319734]

>>20313397
>Anglicanism or Lutheranism
Yeah, two religions founded 1000+ years after the time of Christ for political reasons are great suggestions.

[Anonymous No.20319739]

>>20319715
I have not but I know of a conservative Christian blogger who is quite smitten with it's theology.

https://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2018/08/the-joy-of-mormon-theology-terryl.html

[Anonymous No.20319776]

>>20311872
I don't know why people are recommending the Orientals, they reject the Filioque too. What exactly leads you to believe the Filioque is true?
>>20313397
>Anglicanism or Lutheranism
At this point the Baptists have a better claim to apostolic succession than these guys. Homosexuality is clearly condemned in scripture, as is ordaining women.

[Anonymous No.20319824]

>>20319776
The Spirit clearly proceeds from Christ in the gospels. The Orthodox argument that it is merely mission, and doesn't represent the true relationship between the Son and Spirit is obvious cope, especially since Orthodox exegesis is more than happy to interpret passages of the mission of Christ in ways that inform Trinitarian theology.

[Anonymous No.20320068]

>>20319734
They have apostolic succession...

[Anonymous No.20320146]

>>20318977
I don't see any prohibitions on eating dog meat anywhere, so likely not. What they could go to hell for though is the excessive cruelty some of them take in how they torture animals while slaughtering them or cook them alive.
That said, Jesus makes it pretty clear during the Sermon on the Mount that holding contempt for your fellow man can send you to hell, so ease up on the racist remarks there buddy.

[Anonymous No.20320158]

>>20311872
>Orthodox denial of the Filioque seems incorrect also
any particular reason why?

[Anonymous No.20320170]

>>20312517
Wisdom lit time.
Job, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes.
Throw in Wisdom of Sirach/Ecclesiasticus and Wisdom of Solomon as well if you want the Detuerocanonicals.
If you haven't read any Psalms yet, try reading a few of those daily as well. No need to read through the whole psalter in one go though, it'd probably be better to pace yourself out with them.
After all that maybe go for Song of Solomon or head into the Prophets.

[Anonymous No.20320404]

>>20311265
I have to write an essay on loyalty (to god) in the old testament. Any ideas or suggestions regarding which individuals or topics to write about?

[Anonymous No.20320445]

>>20316180
Maybe platonism or spinozism is your jam

[Anonymous No.20320553]

>>20319776
The evangelical Lutherans in the midwest are very conservative and not like the liberal Lutherans.

[Anonymous No.20320558]

>>20319824
>The Spirit clearly proceeds from Christ in the gospels.
How so?
>cope
Would you people stop using this buzzword all the time and just make your point?

[Anonymous No.20320573]

>>20320068
How can you have apostolic succession when women hold the priesthood?

[Anonymous No.20320592]

>>20320573
Only some Lutherans do that! Missouri synod does not!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.20320614]

>>20320404
Abraham and Job, even though both of them did fail to trust God completely and despite that were well rewarded. There's a great point to be made there, that even as Abraham conceived a child from a maidservant in fear of having no son, God still gave him one because he promised to do so through his wife Sarah. Abraham would repay that trust by his sincere almost-sacrifice many years later. Abraham learned to have faith and was prepared to return his precious son to God, which is ironic (?) in a way, since he was prepared to disobey God to even get a son earlier.
Job of course because he was essentially smitten repeatedly but still held on and even praised the Lord for such things. He did struggle a bit at the end but again, you could remark how typical that is for man, even at our highest, to need a little push over the edge.

Jonah being upset at God not smiting the city is an inversion of loyalty, he smugly expected God to keep his promise and assumed God had broken it, when in reality God promised not to destroy the city if they repented, and in a literary twist, the city did repent and God got mad at Jonah for being conceited and lacking faith.

The Israelites after Exodus couldn't keep their shit together after witnessing a literal ocean being "magically" split in half so God punished them, that's a good one too....Moses in particular was the worker of said miracles but couldn't keep his cool and struck the rock and God probably let out a really loud sigh at that one.

The whole OT is about the failings and trappings of men not being able to live up to even a relatively simple standard of faith and loyalty, which serves as a humbling precursor to why we needed the NT and Christ in the first place.

[Anonymous No.20320615]

>>20320158
I've previously heard it argued very persuasively for it to be true, based on a lot of scripture indicating that it's the case and other logic involving the Trinity.
This article seems to sum it up pretty well https://www.biblia.work/dictionaries/filioque/
Also this >>20319824 sounds pretty accurate from what I've learned about the issue.
Btw mobile posting but here are just some quick verses regarding it

>Galatians 4:6
>Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!”
Holy Spirit is identified as being Jesus' here

>John 10:30
>I and the Father are one.”
>John 16:15
>All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you.
>John 5:19
>Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner.
So if the Spirit proceeds from the Father, it likewise would also proceed from the Son because the Son follows the Father

[Anonymous No.20320676]

>>20317194
The whole of Paul except 1 Thess is him seething at the church in Jerusalem. There were divisions right from the beginning. When Paul speaks of false teachers and dogs who would have you mutilate your own flesh he speaks of James and Peter. It's you who's fallen for a fable, the fable we call the book of Acts. Read Galatians 2; then 1 Cor 9; then 2 Cor 11 and 12. You will see that there is great animosity between Paul and the other apostles, which Acts very much tried to paper over.

[Anonymous No.20320738]

>>20320592
I was referring to Anglicans lol (I didn’t know that Lutherans did it too). It actually occurred to me that these churches are doing a disservice to their members, as the sacrements performed by women would be void (granted, I’m LDS so they’d say the same about me I’m sure)

[Anonymous No.20320775]

>>20319776
>they reject the Filioque too
The Orientals have no formal declaration on the subject. Its like asking the Orientals to have a teaching on Constantinople 5.

[Anonymous No.20320781]

>>20320738
The issue with women in positions of power within the faith is one of necessity. I do not think it means women cannot handle or discern the Lord's wisdom, but rather that 99.999% of women are biologically ill suited to having societal leadership roles placed upon them. Sure the exemplary women comes along and CAN do the job, but most women shouldn't be expected to.
I think the Bible knew in that way that women are usually happiest at home with children, and thousands of years with billions of examples generally speaking confirms this.
I wouldn't like a woman to teach about God's word, but I would never be so foolish as to reject true wisdom just because of the mouth that spoke it.

[Anonymous No.20320782]

>>20320404
Jephthah's daughter is an interesting and morbid case.
Jephthah made a vow to sacrifice via burnt offering whatever comes first out of his home first on return from battle if God would grant him victory. When he returns his only child, his unwed daughter comes to greet him, and so he must sacrifice her.
It's an example of an unnecessary vow made to God, that he ends up following through on with great pain. He was loyal to God, but not trusting enough to believe that God would grant him victory in battle without an extreme vow. It's a cautionary tale against making such vows, I suppose.

[Anonymous No.20320784]

>>20319824
>>20320615
Is there any merit to the claim that the idea of procession from the "father alone" has Monothelite origins? I've heard this to be the case, but there doesn't seem to be much research on the subject.

[Anonymous No.20320788]

I just got a new king james bible for one USD. how did i do? Also i found a king james bible a beat up reference edition and the dude tried telling me it was worth fifty dollars but he would let it got for a cool 20 USD. so i just left his store didnt even try to haggle. Went to another store and got the new king james for one dollar

[Anonymous No.20320830]

You can't both believe in evolution and be christian. The whole premise of christianity - that there were literal first two humans - is false. (prots need not apply)

[Anonymous No.20320833]

>>20320788
>new king james bible for one USD
One dollar too much for a "bible". The King James Bible is priceless. Jesus could have used your post as a parable of warning against foolishness. You should have offered the man with the KJB reference $55 and thanked him for having such a precious treasure in his store, to please use the extra as an investment in carrying more to benefit others.

[Anonymous No.20320871]

>>20320781
I don’t think it’s about whether they can have wisdom or lead or not. To me, it’s an issue about whether or not they can be priesthood holders. As far as I know, that’s reserved for men. This is concerning because when they oversee the sacraments (baptism, communion, marriage, etc) they’re basically just larping and the sacrements aren’t being performed.

[Anonymous No.20320877]

>>20320830
>You can't both believe in evolution and be christian
Correct.
The rest of your post is wrong however.

[Anonymous No.20320898]

Any church that ordains women is an Antichrist false church.

[Anonymous No.20320905]

>>20320871
This is an interesting predicament. If two people are married in every sense of the word but say circumstance completely forbids them from finding a church or man of the cloth, are they still married?
I imagine God has a predilection for nuance (considering millions of Christians probably annoy him with millions of 'what if' questions every moment of every day) but the answer light lie in how an individual deciphers authority?

If you believe only Priests can forgive sins, I imagine you would believe only a Priest can officiate a marriage? Not certain as I am not as educated as I ought to be in Catholic rulings.
Then again, if you think marriage is a state of union between two souls before God, then while the State may object, you are blessed by the Lord.

To be frank, I'd be hesitant to even risk having a female lead blessings and such, but I am unaware if these things, assuming they are done to the full extent of sincerity and faithfulness, are inherently repugnant to the Lord or if He would look past such trivial things and recognize the effort and commitment made by a congregations heart?

[Anonymous No.20320911]

>>20320905
It bears repeating, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions, and the path is cited as being awfully narrow...so perhaps it is best to trust in the Bible and lean not into our own understanding?

[Anonymous No.20320949]

>>20320833
People dont give away bibles for free in my experience. Ive never met a pastor or seen a church ever that was giving away free bibles and im not giving some greedy faggot 20 dollars for a beat up book

[Anonymous No.20320969]

>>20320871
>priesthood holders
All members of the Body of Christ are "priesthood holders". There is no office of priestly mediators between man and God. Christ is our one and only mediator. Each member of the Body of Christ is part of the third temple and God dwells within.

[Anonymous No.20320979]

>>20320969
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over a man, but to be silent.
This is directly from the Bible.
Why do liberal "Christians" think they can contradict this?

[Anonymous No.20320987]

>>20320949
That "beat up book" is the inspired word of the LORD God Almighty instructing and teaching (You) in the path to salvation in Him.

[Anonymous No.20320994]

>>20320979
I didn't say anything about women's positions in church services.

[Anonymous No.20320995]

>>20320979
nta
I think an argument could be made for the decorum of churches, and by having a women be silent and ask questions of her husband and home it promotes the husband furthering his role as the spiritual head of the household.
Not disagreeing and am not a libtard, just offering insight

[Anonymous No.20320999]

>>20320987
Okay retard

[Anonymous No.20321005]

>>20320905
>>20320905
>>20320911
It’s my understanding that He gave us (man) the priesthood in order to perform certain ordinances. And since the priesthood does exist, then it must be used in order for these ordinances to truly be performed (ex I could go into a confessional and listen to people confessing and tell them all the right things, but that won’t absolve them of their sins (I’m not Catholic btw but I think that’s how it works lol)). The LDS view on marriage (sealings) absolutely requires certain, specific ordinances for it to be completed.

So basically, I guess, since He has provided us with what we need, He expects us to use it for what it was designed. Idk, maybe those are just my religious views.

[Anonymous No.20321036]

>>20320969
>There is no office of priestly mediators between man and God.

The LDS believe that everyone has a personal relationship to God (ie direct repentance). But there is still the priesthood that He has bestowed upon us. We believe that all men can be priesthood holders, it’s not limited to the clergy like in other churches.

[Anonymous No.20321067]

>>20321036
>LDS
Opinion discarded

[Anonymous No.20321083]

>>20321067
I am a profoundly stupid person :/

[Anonymous No.20321138]

>>20321083
Well, the thing is that Scripture tells us that all believers are now a priesthood and temple with God indwelling, but LDS sharing some aspects of Christianity does not reverse the rest of their Satanic bolt on bullshit.

[Anonymous No.20321214]

>>20321138
Idk if calling us satanic is fair (I say “us,” I was raised as LDS; I’m trying to find God’s truth). You could argue Mormons aren’t Christian, but idk how you get to satanic? Because there are upside down stars on the temple? Is it because of the “heresies”? I encourage you to review the oft quoted Matthew 7:16

[Anonymous No.20321256]

>>20311677
Stfu fedora

[Anonymous No.20321263]

>>20311999
Stfu protestcuck

[Anonymous No.20321308]

>>20321214
Hijacking Christianity with lies is Satanic.
>>20321263
Eat dung, Satanic Babylonian pagan.

[Anonymous No.20321373]

>>20316914
Enoch is a trip

[Anonymous No.20321381]

>>20317010
It's the mocking that really bothered God, not the brutal beatings.

[Anonymous No.20321393]

>>20321308
>Hijacking Christianity with lies is Satanic
The majority of Christians don’t think Mormonism is part of Christianity though…. What denomination are you, anon?

[Anonymous No.20321427]

Just got this.

[Anonymous No.20321484]

>>20321427
Can't wait for the refutation.

[Anonymous No.20321489]

>>20321393
Of course it isn't a part of it, but it *hijacked* it as a foundation for its fan fictional bolt on. I am not a "denomination".

[Anonymous No.20321495]

>>20321484
Amazon's got everything up to surah 3:70 available for free preview, so that's what I judged it on, plus Spencer and Wood's video where they went through all of surah 96. Here's a sample of three verses in surah 3, with the commentary. I'd say, it's certainly better than the previous Qur'an I used, "The Quran with Christian Commentary."

[Anonymous No.20321523]

>>20321495
what do you gain from reading heresy?

[Anonymous No.20321557]

>>20321489
>”denomination”
Why do you say it like that? Why aren’t you a member of a denomination?

[Anonymous No.20321616]

>>20321557
(not that anon)
I'm not currently because I haven't learned enough about our Christian history to know which is true and which is false. I have a sinking suspicion that the offices of men are corrupted and catastrophic upheaval will be born from the fallen and apostate churches to help facilitate the end times, but I cannot yet recite such evidence on my own.
I have faith in Jesus Christ to lead me to the truth, and I am determined to learn as much as possible. I'm already starting to eyeball learning the original Greek to that end.

[Anonymous No.20321656]

>>20321616
I’m in the same boat, brother. I tend toward Mormonism because that is how I was raised. I’m just trying to find that which is true. And you’re not wrong about apostate churches bringing about the end times, see the great apostasy discussed in Chapter 2 of 2 Thessalonians

[Anonymous No.20321687]

>>20321523
You learn the errors of the heretics so you can return them to Christ through correction.

[Anonymous No.20321817]

>>20321557
Because my "denomination" is Christian, nothing more nor less, regardless of what building I enter. There is not a single earthly institution that I am willing to identify myself with. No matter which one, to do so would immediately result in whomever is reading the label to draw incorrect assumptions/conclusions/judgements.

[Anonymous No.20321843]

have any notable theologians approached the problem of divine hiddenness?

[Anonymous No.20321855]

>>20321817
>No matter which one, to do so would immediately result in whomever is reading the label to draw incorrect assumptions/conclusions/judgements.
So (assuming this was you) kinda like you did here?
>>20321067
>>LDS
>Opinion discarded
This seems disingenuous

[Anonymous No.20321883]

>>20321855
No, LDS is not Christianity, not even a "denomination". This is just a clear fact.

[Anonymous No.20321889]

>>20321883
You’re still drawing incorrect assumptions based on it…

[Anonymous No.20321900]

>>20321889
No, I'm not. There is absolutely nothing whatsoever incorrect about the fact that LDS hijacked Christianity and bolted on an entire book of its own counterfeit "scripture". This goes far, far beyond any differences in opinion over the meanings of particular words/verses/passages in actual Scripture.

[Anonymous No.20321955]

>>20321900
I’m not arguing the veracity of the LDS church with you. My point is that you dismissed my points because of my faith and not on the merit of the points. You obviously recognize this as problem
>No matter which one, to do so would immediately result in whomever is reading the label to draw incorrect assumptions/conclusions/judgements.

[Anonymous No.20321963]

>>20311335
Were you people not baptized as kids? Are you not from Christian countries?

[Anonymous No.20321978]

>>20321843
Jeremiah 29:13
>You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.
it's more of people don't actually search and go "why is God hidden?"

i think Lewis went over that in Mere Christianity.

[Anonymous No.20321985]

>>20321963
Sometimes getting baptized again is a public announcement to a congregation, or it is a symbolic affair for the individual, a day to embrace a refreshed commitment to God.

[Anonymous No.20322035]

>>20321955
>you dismissed my points because of my faith
The Holy Bible is for Christianity. In discussions of the Holy Bible and Christianity, the beliefs of other religions are irrelevant. Muslims hijacked the OT, and if they come in here and start telling what they believe, it is irrelevant to Christianity. If Catholics/"Orthodox™" come in here with their "Tradition™" fan fictions, it is irrelevant to Christianity. See?

But back to your original thing, if you actually *read the Holy Bible* you will see that *all believers* are a royal priesthood, and the temple, with God indwelling. There are elders (the word that Catholics and "Orthodox™" used to apply to their counterfeit office of priesthood literally means "old man"), indicating sound knowledge in the teachings and a lifetime of wisdom from experience. There are leaders, so that each church has people who are able to teach and guide newcomers, but not sacrificial mediators between man and God. This is just the simple truth of what is actually contained in Holy Scripture without resorting to any "I know this isn't in Scripture but it's what the Apostles told us face to face and we just didn't write it down for centuries, just trust us bro".

So yes, when it comes to the Holy Bible and Christianity, any views other than Christian ones should be discarded. If the local lefty club comes and says "well what we believe is", then guess what...it has nothing to do with the Holy Bible and Christianity. If the local right wing club comes and says "what we believe is" then guess what, it has nothing to do with Christianity. See?

So, my suggestion would be to become Christian, and stick strictly with Scripture in determining doctrine, and discarding anything anyone else puts forth in that regard. Everyone can have their own personal copy and read the entire thing over and over, and compare what they hear from any evangelist with what it says. The primary reason we have so many "denominations" and outright heretical offshoot cults is because most by far of the individuals in the congregations do not do this, and just listen to whatever their "leaders" tell them.

[Anonymous No.20322043]

>>20321955
BTW, speaking of temples, I literally took a shit in the Mormon "temple" bathroom in SLC one time before I had to get on a Greyhound bus for 4 days. It was the cleanest bathroom ever and had the choir playing through speakers in the ceiling. This was 1998 I think.

[Anonymous No.20322099]

I've just finished reading Milton's Paradise Regained.
I'm curious how people here consider it or rather Jesus's time with the tempter in the desert.

[Anonymous No.20322127]

>>20322035
Idk dude, I understand your point, but you can still debate things with people who aren’t in the in group.

Additionally how are Catholics/Orthodox not Christian? They are the first denominations to worship Christ, have claim to apostolic succession (but that’s not important to you, so whatever), and believe in the Trinity. What else is there?

Furthermore, how do you determine what is Holy Scripture? The Scriptures were compiled by men of certain denominations, and usually Catholic/Orthodox. What about the Apocrypha and the Pseudepigrapha? Have you read all of them and decided which are Holy and which aren’t?

>So, my suggestion would be to become Christian, and stick strictly with Scripture in determining doctrine, and discarding anything anyone else puts forth in that regard.
Like I said, I’m looking for the truth, but I am not a smart person. I can’t comprehend the Trinity, and some other stuff. Because of that, the conclusions that I’d reach regarding doctrine could be heretical (i.e. The Trinity).

>>20322043
How did you get into the “Temple,” they don’t just let anyone in?

[Anonymous No.20322159]

In a similar sense of the Son's human will to the divine will, is the human nature subordinate to the divine nature?

[Anonymous No.20322168]

>>20321308
Eat shit you heresy ridden cuck. I bet you dont know what a metaphore is

[Anonymous No.20322179]

>>20317332
become Catholic

[Anonymous No.20322187]

>>20311791
Despair is one of the sins against the Holy Spirit and the virtue of Hope. St. Thomas says that it is the choice to believe that one's own malice is greater than God's mercy.

[Anonymous No.20322190]

>>20322127
>how are Catholics/Orthodox not Christian?
I didn't say that, I said their "Tradition™" is not. It is possible for a Catholic or "Orthodox™" to be Christian despite Catholicism and "Orthodoxy™" being Satanic Babylonian pagan institutions.
>They are the first denominations to worship Christ
Wrong. Their institution hijacked Christianity. Notice how there is no office of sacramental priesthood, no praying to "Mary", no praying to "saints" in the New Testament. All of that developed after aligning with the pagan state government of Rome.
>How did you get into the “Temple,” they don’t just let anyone in
I walked in the door and up to some woman at a desk, asked her which way to the restroom, she pointed towards the right (from my perspective, I walked past a giant wall mural of Joseph Smith making the "exodus" to that region, and right there to the left was a very long bathroom, into which I deposited some fecal mater. Someone wearing heeled dress shoes did walk in and walk back and forth while I was in there, as if to check and ensure I was not up to some sort of no good, I assume. Otherwise it was as simple as that. I needed a clean bathroom and could see those "temple" spires from the bus station, and knew it would qualify.

[Anonymous No.20322192]

>>20311872
>Catholic's Papal Infallibility and some other doctrines seem obviously wrong

If you're a protestant then you're probably somewhat conversant in scripture. Look at how Christ treats St. Peter and what he says to him.

[Anonymous No.20322199]

>>20318581
>KJV
>talking about changing doctrines

[Anonymous No.20322243]

>>20313192

Your political view, or your idea of what a Church should be, is also totally based in "modern political discourse".

[Anonymous No.20322274]

The symbol of protestantism is the cross and not the crucifix because protestantism is founded on a denial of the reality of the body of Christ as something visible within history. From this follows the denial of the Catholic Church, the sacraments, and finally of all objectivity in religion.

It is true that the acts of faith, hope, and love occur in the soul and that God is spirit. But Christ also said that "I will not leave you orphans." He took on flesh, it would make sense for Him to leave us with a visible, tangible Church which would represent Him until the end of time.

Ultimately however this is not a religious question but a question of human nature. It is natural and good for human beings who share common interests (common loves) to form visible, temporal associations dedicated to the preservation of that love.

This doesn't mean that everybody who is outside the visible body of Christ is lost, but it just means that Christ supplies for our physical needs, not just our spiritual ones. The deficiency in protestantism is not theology, but on the level of philosophy.

It's not a problem of grace, but nature. Not faith, but works, etc. Reality contains both, of course, but Protestantism denies or is blind to the latter, not the former.

>>20313471
"Eve" comes from the Hebrew Hawwah, meaning "life." Adam from the Adamas, meaning "earth."

[Anonymous No.20322386]

>>20322274
I always took it as the cross being proper because Christ is not on the cross.
to quote the creed
>He ascended to heaven and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty.

Also the verses about not making images of God and such.

[Anonymous No.20322440]

>>20322274
>>20322386
This was my understanding as well, that they leave it empty to "return to simplicity" or something similar. That likely escalates as an aversion to graven images and perhaps a totalitarian fear of...blah blah blah but I think the intent is to be as "humble" as possible.

Personally I think there are merits to both versions of Crucifix.

[Anonymous No.20322474]

>>20322440
i'm more fond of the cross, to be honest.
it reminds me (at least personally) that He is risen.
makes me feel hope, if that makes sense.

[Anonymous No.20322512]

>>20322274
The cross is empty because the sacrifice is complete, once for all, and He is risen. Catholics and "Orthodox™" keep Him on the cross and ritually sacrifice Him over and over again. Also the crucifix is a false image, no one has any legitimate, precise idea what He looked like, and the crucifix image does not resemble the earliest known.

[Anonymous No.20322966]

>>20322512
(Me) again. I will add to this that I actually fear even just the cross alone qualifying for breaking the forbidden use of images, per the 2nd Commandment (the real 2nd, not the Catholic idolatry "cover up" numbering, implemented by Augustine from the Talmud version, but rather the Protestant/"Orthodox™" version which uses the LXX). I only have one, made of wood from an original pew of my church when my great grandfather was a founding member in 1918. I wear it under my shirt. and throughout the day it provides periodic moments of helping to keep my awareness steered towards God as close to as constantly and unceasing as "possible" (I know I could do more if I *really* wanted to).

At night near time for sleep I remove it and place it on the nightstand next to the bed, where it continues its function with any random glance until being returned to my neck the following morning (usually very first thing, or second at most after peeing). I stand after waking and see it there as I get into my flip flops, and if the trip to the bathroom is not urgent enough, I proceed with a micro reverent donning.

Sometimes I think about all of the savings, struggles, prayings, singings, fallings, prodigal returnings, preachings, baptisms, funerals, etc. that occurred in the building with this wood spanning almost 100 years (built a new church building at another site).

I reckon I am just going to take the risk and hope that God understands that I really think I need just that and do not want any other tools of idolatry. I am guessing there are far greater concerns of His for my absolute state.

[Anonymous No.20322973]

>>20322966
Also behold, I got dubs of 66 for God's true canon of Holy Scripture.

[Anonymous No.20323035]

>>20322966
I don't think there's anything wrong with something that simply acts as a trigger for your faith. The snake in the desert wasn't a problem until the retards literally worshipped the snake itself, rather than it acting as a conduit for God.
If you pray TO the cross then that'd be foolish, but if its existence only helps you focus on God and being a better Christian then I'd wager God isn't even bothered. I don't wear one but if I ever had a chance to fashion one out of a symbolic material that was harmonious with my Christian faith, I'd do it in a second.

I agree with the sentiment that sometimes you can only hope what you're doing is right and trust in our merciful Creator to know in our hearts we did the best that we could with the time given to us.

[Anonymous No.20323243]

>>20323035
It's interesting to me that you spoke that last bit, because very shortly before I came and wrote >>20322966, I had made the following entry into a regularly updated/evolving text document of personal notes of various sorts (even shopping list type things, reminders, all kinds of Biblical topics, on and on):

"Before you ever get tooooooo strong on a certain doctrinal or general "religious" stance, it's probably best to keep in mind the potential, no matter how slight/faint in your mind/heart, that you could be wrong in God's eyes, even to the point of seriously damnably, and proceed with caution with the goal of earnestly, humbly providing what you believe to be the most Godly ambassadorship of which you are capable of determining and executing within your own means, and pray that you are correct that He is, to the greatest degree you are capable of hosting, speaking/acting through you in at least some way, even if you have no conscious full awareness of exactly which components/aspects are He and which are (You)."

Now I can delete it from my note, as I was planning to post it here along with some follow up, which perhaps I will get to ahead.

[Anonymous No.20323677]

>>20322192
What would you cite in favor of papal infallibility?

[Anonymous No.20323700]

>>20323677
Not them, but my bet is those keys, and what is bound here is bound in heaven. So essentially, if taken as the context, and actually the accurate interpretation, whatever the Pope declares in that capacity is honored by God, rather than necessarily the pope simply declaring knowledge of an already in place but previously unquantified aspect of God's truth.

[Anonymous No.20323707]

Can anybody tell me where is the preeminence of the Bishop of Rome over all other bishops asserted in the Bible?

[Anonymous No.20323826]

>>20323677
More the point, why was the Pope only infallible from the late Victorian era?

[Anonymous No.20323861]

Recently I’ve decided to go back and read the Bible all the way through after struggling with cynicism and general faithlessness and I’m kind of having a hard time with it.

The Old Testament just seems so thrown together. God is all knowing but there’s times where he can’t find somebody who hiding, or the general issues about populating the earth off of two people until suddenly there’s all these different races of people some of which God seems to like and some God doesn’t, then you have God’s weird cruelty in the Old Testament. Mind you I don’t think God’s all lollipops and rainbows, but sometimes he’ll just outright punish people for things they couldn’t help, like Hagar… not to mention that sometimes people will seemingly be rewarded for their deceit or cowardice (Jacob and his mother come to mind). Also, testing a man to sacrifice his son to you just doesn’t seem right.

I’m just really struggling here. The more I read the more it feels like a book of perverse, nihilistic fairytales. If anyone can help me over the hurdle of faith or faced something similar and can share some advice I’d appreciate it. I’m pretty aggravated with the whole situation as I’m trying to put in the effort to repair my faith by being more diligent reading the Bible, yet I feel like it’s only leaving me worse off.

[Anonymous No.20323881]

[Anonymous No.20323929]

>>20323861
>he can’t find somebody who hiding
He knows full well where they are, the point is for them to have that moment of guilt and fear the first time they face Him after knowingly breaking the rule. When they hear Him calling for them, "looking" for them, the reality of "this is it, here it comes, whatever it is" kicks in fully.
>rewarded for their deceit or cowardice
Despite, rather than "for".
>testing a man to sacrifice his son to you just doesn’t seem right.
Child sacrifice was so common in the established pagan religions of the region that Abraham probably grew up thinking it was almost like a lottery as to who was going have to do such a thing, by whatever method they used to determine what children were selected. So he was primed for it, as were many men of his day. It's almost as if God, who had yet to formally introduce Himself to anyone after Adam/Eve, was using it as an introductory teaching opportunity on just how different from the usual pagan gods and ways things were going to be with Him. Also, pay close attention to every bit of that story, because He knew that he knew that He was not going to allow Issac to either be killed, or stay dead if killed, because he had absolute faith in His promise to bless the entire world through Issac's lineage.
>perverse, nihilistic fairytales
Funny thing about the Holy Bible, among many other things and aspects, it is also something akin to an incredibly vast, deep, complex, grand Rorschach test like mirror or projection screen, in some key ways. With enough time and effort you might at some point have certain things open up and cause you to realize you were actually being confronted edge to edge with no holds barred hard core pure holiness and your own infections of sin made it a rather caustic experience until you reach a point of relative healing of the spirit.
>>20323881
barn.jpg, average birth place of the LORD God Almighty into human form.

[Anonymous No.20323963]

>>20323929
That last bit makes sense. Even the way it’s described seems fairly routine for Abraham. Perhaps the depictions of it through various artworks over romanticized the moment and make God seem a lot crueler than he really is. Still, some of the judgements he deals out in the Old Testament can be rather cruel, while some of the things that go ignored seem like they should be punished.

Then on top of that you have the truly outrageous stories of humanity being wiped out then repopulated again, all the while little random pockets of humanity keep surfacing seemingly out of nowhere, but perhaps I’m spending to much time getting caught up in unimportant details, and perhaps you’re right about me seeing the worst parts of myself in what I’m reading. I might just need to tank through it a little longer till something “shakes loose”.

[Anonymous No.20324015]

>>20323963
There are also allegorical aspects that one should read and consider being designed to orient you properly rather than tell some historical fact in the scientific sense. Proper orientation is one of the primary functions of the entire Holy Bible.

[Anonymous No.20324134]

>>20323963
Remember as well that Abraham was promised his son Isaac directly by God after hosting Him, yet despite that promise Sarah encouraged infidelity with her servant in order to try and give Abraham a son (as they believed she was too old despite God saying it'd be fine).
Abraham acquired a son, Ishmael, but he was begotten out of wedlock and without faith, and was not favorably regarded.

Abraham lacked faith, but instead of outright punishing him, God kept His promise and then waited to see if Abraham would grow his faith, even to the point of trusting the Lord above his own immense love for Isaac. I imagine if Abraham had failed God a second time, Isaac might not have walked down that mountain.

In this story, we see God reward the faithful despite their failings, and then offer a chance at redemption in their faith through the sacrifice of a beloved son...remember that when you get to the NT and Jesus. God loves the smell of foreshadowing in the morning.

Please keep asking these questions as they come, I love sharing what I've learned and chances are I shared many of the same doubts when I started my journey.

[Anonymous No.20324161]

What Christian YouTubers do you guys watch? I have been watching Council of Trent, Mike Horn, InspiringPhilosophy and Jay Dyer. I like Jay Dyer's videos, though I often do not fully understand what he is talking about in them and they tend to be very long. Is his book Esoteric Hollywood any good?

[Anonymous No.20324165]

>>20324161
Correction: it is not Mike Horn, it is Mike Winger. I do not know who Mike Horn is or why his name came to mind.

[Anonymous No.20324171]

>>20324161
Just InspiringPhilosophy and Bible Illustrated.

[Anonymous No.20324195]

>>20324161
Joel Osteen is the best one but Steven Furtick is a close second. I'm not even going to say how much money I have been blessed with from carefully and fearlessly following their instructions.

[Anonymous No.20324212]

>>20324195

[Anonymous No.20324294]

>>20324161
Are there any laid back / British ones? I despise American overenthusiasm on YT

[Anonymous No.20324314]

>>20324161
Reason and Theology, The Dividing Line, How to be Christian. I'm a fan of theological bloodsports.

[Anonymous No.20324573]

>>20320949
>pastor
There you go. I did RCIA and they gave me a CTS Jerusalem Study Bible, a John Paul II Catechism, and the Compendium thereof, all on the first day - gratis.

[Anonymous No.20324710]

>>20324294
Just don't watch YouTube channels where saps talk to the camera...

[Anonymous No.20324821]

>>20324294
>British Christian on YouTube
As a Britbong, I really like John Butler.

https://youtu.be/kF58JQx1aHM

[Anonymous No.20324859]

Older Christian here. To the anons who are thinking of converting. If you are on this board you already have a certain disposition. The place where you are going to feel the most transcendence and by extension probably feel most at home, will be a Traditional Latin Mass parish. Go to the nearest Latin mass parish - most are either ICKSP or FSSP or Oratories. Just google it and go to the Sunday high mass and talk to people after.

I have been to nearly every type of liturgy - but for western lit nerds this is your best bet. Just keep in mind you don’t have to believe everything at first. I went to the Latin Mass liturgy for 5 years before I properly had a change of heart and called myself ‘Christian’.

[Anonymous No.20324868]

>>20324294
Ready to Harvest is a more academic channel focusing on the unbiased explanation of denominations.

[Anonymous No.20324906]

>>20324165
Mike Winger is a bit of a weenie and hopelessly outmatched by other Protestant apologists like James White.

[Anonymous No.20324961]

Why wouldn’t the Catholic church let people read the Bible, bros?
Tyndale (pbuh) doesn’t get enough credit for what we did.
You’re reading a Bible in English? Thank Tyndale.

[Anonymous No.20324967]

>>20311335
I assume the Lord is pleased by this. May he save all of our souls, and inspire all of us to repent from our sins.

[Anonymous No.20324997]

>>20324961
It wasn't the Catholics who did that, it was the bongs. Catholics had already translated the Bible into multiple languages all over Europe at the same time, just not in England.

[Anonymous No.20325004]

>the parish’s presiding priest isn’t Polish
Dropped, and I haven’t a drop of such nation’s blood in my veins.

[Anonymous No.20325011]

>>20323861
>The Old Testament just seems so thrown together
That is because it is. Both by the those that included it in the canon and the Jews themselves.
I do not want to bore you with a long rant about biblical history. But basically what became the OT was written by a number of authors over a large period of time. Leading to a scattershot of a millennia or so of often conflicting Jewish religious thought being stuck together in a rather ad-hoc fashion. This is easy to see in things such as the competing dual creation stories in genesis (stemming from the north and south Jewish kingdoms having their own stories that were later merged) or the idea of 'God' (Yahweh) being only the god of Judah, with each other people known to the Jews at the time having their own patron deity (stemming from Jewish thought at the time that was in effect monolatric, having not yet fully transitioned from Canaanite polytheism to Jewish monotheism).
>If anyone can help me over the hurdle of faith or faced something similar and can share some advice I’d appreciate it
I have an easy suggestion for you here. Forget about the OT. Just focus on Jesus Christ.
It has always been bizarre to me that Christians were so fascinated by the holy texts of the people who murdered Jesus. We are supposed to be CHRISTians, not JEWians.

[Anonymous No.20325028]

>>20324961
They made a decent income peddling heretical theology that would have been debunked if their cash cows were allowed to read scripture.

[Anonymous No.20325041]

>>20324997
You do know Henry VIII was Catholic…right? He got called “a defender of the faith” by the pope at the time.
He had Tyndale executed for trying to translate the Bible so the masses could read it
Oopsie

[Anonymous No.20325055]

>>20325041
Tyndale didn’t just translate it, he added a whole bunch of heretical notes damning Catholics. Erasmus preceded him in English translation.

[Anonymous No.20325066]

>>20325055
>he added a whole bunch of heretical notes
Such as?
Can one be heretical to heretics? There’s really no defending that Catholics wanted a monopoly on scripture and for just the initiated to read the Bible.

[Anonymous No.20325099]

>>20323861
Do disregard the whole of what >>20325011 posted.
the saddest thing is someone might believe you.
so as to make this proper, let's go deeper.
>creation stories
only one, and you're confusing the wording used in english for what it says.
man was made last. second chapter simply details the animals being shown to Adam and whatnot.
>conflicting religious thought
divinely inspired work of several prophets and other historical books.
>other gods
aka man-made idols which God told them to get rid of.

>>20323861
here's a proper suggestion, study it all and instead of taking the skeptic view, take God's side.
the negative bias stops you from seeing proof of what you're looking for.
also, keep an eye for prophecy. the blessing Judah receives refers to Christ for example (He is the Lion of Judah), and another quite nice bit, look for the meaning of the names in the Genesis 5 genealogy.

[Anonymous No.20325125]

>>20323861
>>20325099
furthermore, understand it.
your criticism of it is of an extremely shallow reading. it is quite an issue when reading Scripture to actually get it; there's a whole book because Job was misunderstood as some sort of divine "bet" (which if it were, would have the book end at chapter 2, because Job does not abandon God and keeps faithful.)
some here like to keep that shallow view to "prove Christianity wrong", but they're just fooling themselves. I hope you don't do so.

[Anonymous No.20325143]

>>20325125
well, not your criticism; doubts, rather.

and also "quite hard when reading[...]"
'an issue' gives it some ambiguity.

[Anonymous No.20325368]

>>20323963
I find that story to be one of the most beautiful parallels to the sacrifice of Jesus. Abraham was willing to sacrifice his son, but God didn't let him and instead sacrificed His own.
There's a lot of depth to it that I studied a while back, here this is a good list from a quick search:
https://derekspain.com/2014/03/10/the-answers-30-similarities/

[Anonymous No.20325454]

>>20324314
>Reason and Theology
Based for interviewing E. Michael Jones in 2020 and letting him raise the Jewish question for an hour straight; cringe for quietly unlisting the video sometime after, where it is now. Better than deleting it, but still shows R&T probably wanted to hide his more controversial guests once he started getting more mainstream attention in the sphere of apologetics.

[Anonymous No.20325480]

>>20324314
>>20325454
I'm not a fan of most of R&T's content, but his interview with Anthony Dragani concerning Ukraine was good. His interview with Plested is my favorite and is required viewing IMO.

[Anonymous No.20325689]

>>20324161
CSLewisDoodle is nice

[Anonymous No.20325722]

>>20324161
Counsel of Trent's last video about Roe got so intense 10 minutes in that you had baptists in the comments shouting "Preach!" Truly interesting times we live in.

[Anonymous No.20325739]

is this the larping general?

[Anonymous No.20325749]

>>20321963
even if you were baptised as a child you should do it again. chances are a persons parents only did it for the occasion or because 'its the thing to do'

there are people out there calling themselves cradle catholics and the extent their parents went to was maybe having a 'live laugh love' tier ornament on their wall.

[Anonymous No.20325751]

Thoughts on tabs or thumb-indexing?

[Anonymous No.20325752]

>>20325739
What's important is that it's not the faggot general, so (You) can fuck off. And speaking of LARPing, ywnbaw.

[Anonymous No.20325769]

>>20325751
I have a first ed ESV Study Bible that I put tabs on and glad to have them on that thick volume, but would definitely prefer thumb indexes. I do not index any other Bibles and can find what I want very quickly from familiarity.

[Anonymous No.20325861]

>>20325751
I've got a compact KJV with thumbtabs, pretty nice to have when you're looking to navigate to specific books quickly for reference.

[Anonymous No.20326066]

is there time in heaven? why does nobody ever answer this?

[Anonymous No.20326090]

>>20326066
Difficult to say, I'd imagine as timeless beings within an eternal realm you would be unaffected by our current understanding of time, yet you would likely need some way of recognizing the passing of one joyful moment to another...
I will say with the little knowledge that I have, that time would exist if only to mark the passing of the ageless ages, though I admit it is hard for a corporeal brain to establish the rules of an incorporeal kingdom.

Good question anon, I hadn't taken the time to seriously ponder that before you asked it.

[Anonymous No.20326259]

>>20326066
How do you expect people who have never been there to know and provide answers? Why would you expect there to be a known, factual, definitive answer for absolutely everything? Any answer anyone gives on this is speculative conjecture.

[Anonymous No.20326307]

Has anyone actually BTFO Trent Horn from Counsel of Trent or is he just the best Catholic apologist at this point? All he seems to do is refute everyone

[Anonymous No.20326326]

How patristic is reception theory?

[Anonymous No.20326334]

>>20326307
Honestly, I don't pay too much mind to Catholic apologists. That said, I respect him for his pro-life debates and rebuttals because they're pretty strong; I don't really see other apologists being so adamant about debating pro-abortion people as he is. Same for his responses to atheists. I know most of his content is rebuttals/responses to Protestant beliefs, but that doesn't mean he's not a useful voice for Mere Christianity and on social issues. In fact, on the latter, I'm glad one of the "rising stars" of Catholic apologetics is a social conservative, because that spells hope generally as he goes mainstream.

[Anonymous No.20326425]

Question: The chief addition to the Hebrew text of the OT by the Masorites was the introduction of vowel points. I know from the work of Christoph Luxenberg that, when you stripped away the diacritical and vowel points from the Arabic in the Qur'an, you'd actually end up with Syriac that seemed to contain Christian hymns and whatnot. So, if you similarly stripped away the vowel points from the Masoretic Text, does the resulting bare Hebrew translate to better match the LXX with only different vowel points? I'm not asking in the resulting bare Hebrew *does* translate to match the LXX, but if the Greek is *possible* to derive from the bare Hebrew without the points.

This is setting aside any minor scribal errors that could've resulted from a copyist, like in Psalm 22:16, where the difference between the MT and MSS reading, setting aside the vowel points, is just elongating one character.

[Anonymous No.20326585]

>>20325751
thumb indexing is great.

[Anonymous No.20327102]

[Anonymous No.20327126]

>>20327102
You are really doing due diligence to not cite Augustine in these infographics.

[Anonymous No.20327163]

>>20327126
I have nothing to prove. Just ask

[Anonymous No.20327175]

>>20327163
>I have nothing to prove.

[Anonymous No.20327186]

>>20327175
What's more embarassing is that you, a Catholic, don't even know this stuff.

[Anonymous No.20327190]

>>20327186
Am I a catholic?

[Anonymous No.20327195]

>>20327190
Youre a Catholic or a Talmudist who feels the need to critique any and everything instead of humbling yourself and asking a question like a normal human being.

[Anonymous No.20327202]

>>20327195
Here's a question: Can you provide Cyprian's commentary on Genesis?

[Anonymous No.20327223]

>>20327202
Are you possessed with devils?

[Anonymous No.20327237]

>>20327223
Ok great, but now everyone wants to look at them? Do you mind sharing?

[Anonymous No.20327246]

>>20327237
>everyone
You and Legion?

[Anonymous No.20327251]

>>20327246
I literally just want to look over Cyprian's work concerning Genesis 18. Do you mind sharing?

[Anonymous No.20327262]

>>20327251
Oh, that's simply what you wanted? Try asking like a normal person instead of a condescending freak.

[Anonymous No.20327265]

[Anonymous No.20327276]

>>20327262
Asking for a source isn't condescending; there is nothing condescending about my language either. I will ask again, with charity and good faith: Do you mind sharing your source?

[Anonymous No.20327282]

>>20327276
Yeah, now I do mind. Go kick rocks.

[Anonymous No.20327314]

>>20327282
Oh, so you posted an infographic without a source. I'm sure you will refrain from sharing it from this moment forward.

[Anonymous No.20327331]

>>20327314
Listen, kike, I posted it here >>20327265. Youre too arrogant and prideful to admit you were wrong or express some gratitude. You'd rather post off-topic reacts, slideposts, and generally act like a little homo than keep discussion civil. Not every image needs MLA citations.

[Anonymous No.20327347]

>>20326425
I’d assume the translation of the Septuagint was overseen by those familiar with the oral torah, tanakh, etc..

[Anonymous No.20327350]

>>20327331
This fails to establish Cyprian's claim at genesis 18. It would help me understand if you posted a link.

[Anonymous No.20327364]

>>20327350
Yes, it really does.

[Anonymous No.20327371]

>>20327364
Please post a link ;_;

[Anonymous No.20327374]

>>20327371
I'll pray God repays you for sliding my post so high with your pilpul

[Anonymous No.20327384]

>>20327374
There's nothing to slide, we are already at bump limit. Now, before the thread is archived, I am BEGGING you to provide a link.

[Anonymous No.20327390]

Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Matthew 7:6 KJVAAE
https://bible.com/bible/546/mat.7.6.KJVAAE

[Anonymous No.20327561]

>>20326066
It's beyond human understanding, it's a different realm than the material one. I don't believe time functions the same there as here but to say any further would be guessing.

[Anonymous No.20327884]

>>20311565
Blessings.

[Anonymous No.20327924]

>>20317332
>Could any brothers in Christ offer any advice

I would suggest considering conversion stories written by men and women in a similar position and who, like you, had to wrestle with these issues.

One such book is Surprised by Truth: 11 Converts Give the Biblical and Historical Reasons for Becoming Catholic. It's quite good.

Another good conversion story is the book-length Rome Sweet Home by Scott Hahn. Hahn gives his conversion testimony here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-bz4kRtCQI

[Anonymous No.20327967]

>>20313740
Never forget that despite all their many and sundry sinful leaders, over a course of many centuries, the Jewish religion was indeed the religion of God, and recognized by Christ as such.

And then the spiritual kingdom was taken away from them — "Therefore say I unto you, the kingdom of God shall be taken away from you, and shall be given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof," Matthew 21:43 — and Christ established His Church on the rock of Peter. That Church built on Peter remains to this day. It is called the Catholic Church, and its bonafides are singular, transcending in duration and scope those of any other human organization in the history of the world. As explained by the Protestant historian Thomas Macaulay:

>There is not and there never was on earth a work of human policy so well deserving of examination as the Roman Catholic Church. The history of that Church joins together two great ages of human civilization. No other institution is left standing, which carries the mind back to the times when the smoke of sacrifice rose from the Pantheon, and when cameleopards and tigers bounded in the Flavian Amphitheater.
>The proudest royal houses are but of yesterday, when compared to the line of Supreme Pontiffs. That line we trace back to an unbroken series from the Pope who crowned Napoleon in the nineteenth century to the Pope who crowned Pepin in the eighth; and far beyond the time of Pepin the august dynasty extended till it is lost in the twilight of fable.
>The church saw the commencement of all governments and of all the ecclesiastical establishments that now exist in the world; and we feel no assurance that she is not destined to see the end of them all.
>She was great and respected before the Saxon set foot on Britain, before the Frank had passed the Rhine, when Grecian eloquence still flourished at Antioch, when idols were still worshiped in the temple of Mecca. And she may still exist in undiminished vigor when some traveler from New Zealand shall, in the midst of a vast solitude, take his stand on a broken arch of London Bridge to sketch the ruins of St. Paul's.

In short, the Catholic Church is the one true Church established by Jesus Christ. The thing speaks for itself.

[Anonymous No.20328256]

>>20327967
Nah, Christ's one true institution wouldn't require someone to accept outright fabricated fictions as dogmatic truths in order to join. Mary had other children after Jesus.