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[Anonymous No.20279886]

Who scratches the same itch as Nietzsche? Especially Thus Spoke Zarathustra?

[Anonymous No.20279904]

>>20279886
Mein kampf

[dago !XvLR0tbIro No.20279908]

bhagavad gita

[Anonymous No.20279914]

>>20279904
lol Nietszche was an anti-anti-semite and probably would have despised Hitler, deriding him as the sociopath who manipulated the Will to Power of others so his own megalomaniacal and ultimately self-destructive aims.

[Anonymous No.20279915]

>>20279886
Christ?

[Anonymous No.20279923]

>>20279904
Ressentiment movement of his beloved germans, kek. Literally the ape of Zarathustra and his reflection in the mirror from the book.

[Anonymous No.20279924]

Henry Miller
Bhagavad Gita
Herman Hesse

[Anonymous No.20279932]

>>20279914
Nietzsche hated Judaism and a lot of Jews. He was just against a specific kind of anti-semitism propagated by German nationalists because it originated from their nationalist conceptions, and nationalism is another levelling mechanism for Nietzsche who wanted pan-Europeanism. Nietzsche is pretty racist as fuck. He supported a kind of eugenics too. But all of that stems from his aristocratic radicalism rather than nationalism of any sort.

[Anonymous No.20279952]

>>20279932
He literally said aryan influence corrapted the world, lmao. Btw racial and jewish question is kinda complex. In his late works he even celebrate race mixing into some mutt field for the plant of uebermensch. If you forgive my methaphors.

[dago !XvLR0tbIro No.20279954]

>>20279923
>Literally the ape of Zarathustra and his reflection in the mirror from the book.
interesting comment
gonna look into this
thanks

there's another prophetic line about Hitler (I think from a different Nietzsche book) and he says that if someone with much power followers Wagner, it will surely lead to the destruction of Germany and the German people.

[Anonymous No.20279957]

>>20279914
He used Jew as a slur a lot for a supposed anti-anti-semite

[dago !XvLR0tbIro No.20279959]

>>20279952
>In his late works he even celebrate race mixing
correcto
a pan-european mutt race mixing (including jews)
he said the average mutt will like sink to lower levels but it will produce uber-mutts that will make it all worth it.

[Anonymous No.20279971]

>>20279952
>he even celebrate race mixing into some mutt field for the plant of uebermensch
That's from his pan-Europeanism. Nigga was celebrating when everyone was horrified what Belgium did in Congo. He also supported a kind of eugenics that doesn't discriminate between different ethnicities/races of Europe.

[Anonymous No.20279973]

>>20279959
So he was willing to compromise after all that overman stuff? Lol

[Anonymous No.20279980]

>>20279959
Yep. I guess it was from Will to Might (correct translation btw). So it leads to interesring conclusion. So N. was kinda pro globohomo in our retarded terms? He considered it like it's the natural "progress" of the Human race. Looks like he rethought his last man problematic into ITS GOOD. Painful to accept if you ask me.

[Anonymous No.20279985]

>>20279908
It literally supports caste system and it takes for granted dumb shit like souls and reincarnation.
There are other better philosophical texts from India(mainly from heterodox schools rather than hindu orthodoxy).

[Anonymous No.20279991]

>>20279980
>pro globohomo in our retarded terms?
Intermixing of white Europeans/jews is not pro globohomo

[Anonymous No.20279992]

>>20279973
Looks like you know about overman concept from the YouTube.

[Anonymous No.20279994]

Nietzsche doesn't even understand basic biology. But I don't hold it against it because he's from 19th century.

[Anonymous No.20279996]

>>20279985
I think he just meant inspirational

>arise therefore Arjuna..

Definitely in the Zarathustra ilk

[dago !XvLR0tbIro No.20279999]

>>20279980
Wille zur Macht is so good. im a big Nietzschefag but had held off on reading it for the longest time until about ~2 months ago. I think the 'Rank and Ordering' section from it is his best work.
>>20279985
it's a similar style to Zarathustra

[Anonymous No.20280004]

>>20279991
HE SAID ABOUT RACES. IT'S from the very beginning of the Will to Power, i remember it as clearly as my name.

[Anonymous No.20280014]

>>20279985
Nietzsche loved Indian caste system. He praised Manusmriti. He also wanted two create another caste system in Europe anyway.

[dago !XvLR0tbIro No.20280019]

>>20280014
based
iirc he thought the 'breeding of four castes' was unnecessary and thought it would be more practical to breed two races - a master race and a slave race

[Anonymous No.20280023]

>>20279932
It's really easy to misread racism into the words of people writing in the pre-PC era. You have to distinguish between the true racists who think white people are better than other races just because they're white, and the people who are pointing out that the behavior and culture of white people is generally superior (think the whole "black folks vs. niggers", it's politcally incorrect af but it's not really racist).

Same deal with Nietszche being labeled a misogynist. If you notice, he's actually criticizing the 'crabs-in-a-bucket' behavior of women rather than saying women are inherently inferior. Again, politically incorrect af, but Nietszche is actually a proto-feminist IMO.

[Anonymous No.20280025]

Love me some Nietzsche, but he really does attract some of the worst people

[Anonymous No.20280054]

>>20280025
Because it's really easy to twist his words into whatever edgelord ideology you want, way moreso than any other philosopher. Nietszche is trying to communicate some REALLY complex concepts that lie outside of most people's frame of experience, but it usually goes over their head. The irony is that he's usually criticizing the very people who falsely champion him as their idol.

[Anonymous No.20280068]

>>20280054
I will always hold the belief that Nietzsche would have become a Buddhist if it was better understood and translated at the time in Germany. Nietzsche wasn’t a violent person. He was a mouse trying to roar; he wrote what he wrote to psyche himself up.

[Anonymous No.20280071]

>>20279914
oof, he fell for the anti-anti-semite meme made explicitly to “Save” him from the nazis. If anything we was an anti-anti-anti semite.

[dago !XvLR0tbIro No.20280073]

>>20279923
>>20279954
>That thou mightest have cause for much VENGEANCE! For vengeance, thou vain fool, is all thy foaming; I have divined thee well!

[Anonymous No.20280081]

>>20280023
>but Nietszche is actually a proto-feminist IMO.
>Continuation of Christianity by the French Revolution. Rousseau is the seducer: he again removes the chains of woman, who from then on is represented in an ever more interesting way, as suffering. Then the slaves and Mistress Beecher-Stowe. Then the poor and the workers. Then the vicious and the sick – all that is brought to the fore.
Lmao you're such a clown who thinks nietzsche is some kind of leftie

[Anonymous No.20280090]

>>20280068
Good post, woman.

[Anonymous No.20280092]

>Hope is possible again! Our German mission isn’t over yet! I’m in better spirit than ever, for not yet everything has capitulated to Franco-Jewish levelling and ‘elegance’, and to the greedy instincts of Jetztzeit (‘nowtime’). There is still bravery, and it’s a German bravery that has something else to it than the élan of our lamentable neighbours. Over and above the war between nations, that international hydra which suddenly raised its fearsome heads has alarmed us by heralding quite different battles to come.

[dago !XvLR0tbIro No.20280099]

[Anonymous No.20280102]

>>20280090
based women detector.

[Anonymous No.20280104]

>>20280068
>Nietzsche would have become a Buddhists
>Nietzsche wasn’t a violent person
You're so fucking stupid

[Anonymous No.20280109]

>>20280092
GOD i imagine how hard he cringing in the future from this wagnerian stage.

[Anonymous No.20280110]

Ayn Rand. Fountainhead then Atlas Shrugged.

[Anonymous No.20280118]

>>20280099
Evola is MEGA cringe pagan larper. Anon, i..

[Anonymous No.20280123]

>>20280081
It's mind-boggling how leftists twisted his words and appropriated him for their slave morality ends when Nietzsche spent his entire life debunking socialist shit.
At least losurdo is honest and his assessment of Nietzsche in his book aristocratic rebel is pretty accurate.

[dago !XvLR0tbIro No.20280125]

>>20280118
youve never read him, guenon, nor nietzsche
opinion discarded

[Anonymous No.20280132]

>>20280109
Probably not much because he spouted same shit albeit without nationalist trappings.

[Anonymous No.20280138]

>>20280081
It's all about pity vs. empowerment. This lineage of 'liberation' that Nietzsche writes of doesn't actually strengthen any of these groups. Instead, they are put on pedestals and the masses are told to pity women, black people, the sick, disabled, etc. Pity does fuck all for those denied the means to independence.

That's what 'slave morality' is: pity for these minorities corrupts and weakens all parties involved. That seems to be his most fundamental critique of Judeo-Christian morality as far as I can tell.

[Anonymous No.20280145]

>>20280138
Holy shit you can't be this delusional. You don't even understand slave morality.

[Anonymous No.20280150]

>>20280125
Guenon is a fucking muslim, his premordial tradition is fucking Islam the desert x2. Evola just comix versions of N. teachings.

[Anonymous No.20280152]

>>20280138
Did you learn about nietzsche from that cuck philosophy's garbage book or what. My dude, it's time you actually read nietzsche.

[Anonymous No.20280159]

>>20280145
You're right anon, I just skim through wikipedia articles about philosophy and then post my thoughts here so that people who actually read them can set me straight.

[Anonymous No.20280167]

People with strong political opinions should be banned from reading Nietzsche. They just misinterpret his philosophy to fit their ideology.

[Anonymous No.20280169]

>>20279886
43 replies. 7 posts. Typical Nietzsche post

[dago !XvLR0tbIro No.20280174]

>>20280150
cringe take
go read the four guenon books listed in the pic
you will see there are so many parallels in nietzsche and guenon's critiques of the modern West

nietzsche + guenon = evola

[Anonymous No.20280179]

>>20280167
They should be banned from reading and writing ;) as N. said spirit become the pleb. Right! Left! Discont! LOL. You are talking about phenomenon much bigger than these all too human definitions.

[Anonymous No.20280184]

>>20280159
You dumb fuck, Nietzsche’s hate for liberalism/socialism stems from his hate for their levelling metaphysics where you treat everyone as equal deserving certain rights/oppurtunitis by putting all of them in an abstract box called muh human. His whole project is to destroy all levelling mechanisms of modernity so that what's left is just naturalistic hierarchies where sick and diseased will not be treated the same as healthy and glorious(he wrote a lot of eugenics towards the end of his life as a way to remove the sick and diseased from gene pool if they have no use even as a slave)

[Anonymous No.20280187]

>>20280174
Another apropriation of N. by midwits and BELIEVERS lel nothing new under the sun even earlier christian attempts were better.

Marx+Nietzsche = Deleuze lol so what?

[Anonymous No.20280196]

>>20280184
Like every german for example.

[Anonymous No.20280206]

>>20279886
dostoevsky

[Anonymous No.20280217]

>>20280054
>The irony is that he's usually criticizing the very people who falsely champion him as their idol.
Nietzschean leftists yeah

[Anonymous No.20280283]

>>20280167
This. I feel like he speaks only to the reader. He trashes everyone including the reader. Optimism through pessimism. He says so much contradictory, vague beliefs, peppers them with parables and aphorisms, and the reader can interpret the work as they want. He was very clearly writing for “the loner”

[Anonymous No.20280307]

might is right its not the same as neech but i liked it

[Anonymous No.20280313]

>>20280187
Fugg dude now I really gotta go read Deleuze

[Anonymous No.20280441]

>>20279886
Wagner. Especially the Ring, which was a major inspiration in its language and themes for Zarathustra. In its mythological structure. Zarathustra's relation to the Ubermensch was based on Wotan and Siegfried.

>I suppose I know better than any one the prodigious feats of which Wagner was capable, the fifty worlds of strange ecstasies to which no one else had wings to soar; and as I am alive to-day and strong enough to turn even the most suspicious and most dangerous things to my own advantage, and thus to grow stronger, I declare Wagner to have been the greatest benefactor of my life. The bond which unites us is the fact that we have suffered greater agony, even at each other's hands, than most men are able to bear nowadays, and this will always keep our names associated in the minds of men. For, just as Wagner is merely a misunderstanding among Germans, so, in truth, am I, and ever will be. Ye lack two centuries of psychological and artistic discipline, my[Pg 45] dear countrymen!... But ye can never recover the time lost.

[Anonymous No.20280444]

Never read this kraut even though most everyone I’ve read is clearly infected by him.

[Anonymous No.20280716]

>>20280441
Start as based NEW VITAL TYPE OF MAN creator tru THE NEW THEATER of THE NEOGREEK DRAMA, end as maga-like christcuck state lover. Jesus Christ, poor Nietzsche. And he served him so well, as literally a camel from Zarathustra.

[Anonymous No.20280956]

>>20279914
Did you read that on the chapo website?

[Anonymous No.20280969]

>>20280444
Polack. He's a Polack. He writes in Kraut.

[Anonymous No.20281097]

>>20279957
>He used Jew as a slur
"the resourcefulness of the modern Jews, both in mind and soul, is extraordinary. Amongst all the inhabitants of Europe it is the Jews least of all who try to escape from any deep distress by recourse to drink or to suicide, as other less gifted people are so prone to do."

"People wished to make them contemptible by treating them contemptibly for nearly twenty centuries, and refusing them access to all honourable positions and dignities, and by pushing them further down into the meaner trades—and under this process indeed they have not become any cleaner. But contemptible? They have never ceased for a moment from believing themselves qualified for the very highest functions, nor have the virtues of the suffering ever ceased to adorn them. Their manner of honouring their parents and children, the rationality of their marriages and marriage customs, distinguishes them amongst all Europeans. Besides this, they have been able to create for themselves a sense of power and eternal vengeance from the very trades that were left to them (or to which they were abandoned). Even in palliation of their usury we cannot help saying that, without this occasional pleasant and useful torture inflicted on their scorners, they would have experienced difficulty in preserving their self-respect for so long. For our self-respect depends upon our ability to make reprisals in both good and evil things. Nevertheless, their revenge never urges them on too far, for they all have that liberty of mind, and even of soul, produced in men by frequent changes of place, climate, and customs of neighbours and oppressors, they possess by far the greatest experience in all human intercourse, and even in their passions they exercise the caution which this experience has developed in them. They are so certain of their intellectual versatility and shrewdness that they never, even when reduced to the direst straits, have to earn their bread by manual labour as common workmen, porters, or farm hands. In their manners we can still see that they have never been inspired by chivalric and noble feelings, or that their bodies have ever been girt with fine weapons: a certain obtrusiveness alternates with a submissiveness which is often tender and almost always painful. <...> they will soon have a considerable heritage of good intellectual and physical manners, so that in another hundred years they will have a sufficiently noble aspect"

[Anonymous No.20281104]

>>20279957
"And then where shall an outlet be found for this abundant wealth of great impressions accumulated during such an extended period and representing Jewish history for every Jewish family, this wealth of passions, virtues, resolutions, resignations, struggles, and conquests of all kinds—where can it find an outlet but in great intellectual men and works! On the day when the Jews will be able to exhibit to us as their own work such jewels and golden vessels as no European nation, with its shorter and less profound experience, can or could produce, when Israel shall have changed its eternal vengeance into an eternal benediction for Europe: then that seventh day will once more appear when old Jehovah may rejoice in Himself, in His creation, in His chosen people—and all, all of us, will rejoice with Him!"

[Anonymous No.20281184]

>>20279914
>manipulated the Will to Power
The will to power was just his interpertation of Heraclitus' idea of Polemos or an ever changing, endless struggle. The law of struggle formulated by national socialism was a pretty reasonable interpertation of this.

[Anonymous No.20281197]

>>20279886
unironically the City of God. Augustine beats the everloving shit out of paganism and it's kino

[Anonymous No.20281202]

>>20280004
You do know back then (and still now) race isn't white, yellow and black right? Instead people spoke about the Nordic, mediterranean, Alpine, Dinaric etc. RACES.

[Anonymous No.20281209]

>>20279886
Jung and Joseph Campbell but those are more overt like his other works. But still all the references to world mythologies are there and campbell regurgitates plenty of parables similar to the short stories of Zarathustra. If you are looking for the same tone then just read scriptures from any world mythology. Maybe start with Upanishads.

[Anonymous No.20281214]

>>20279952
Aryan influence as in Persia. Alexander became a drunk libertine after getting there.

[dago !XvLR0tbIro No.20281250]

nietzsche also says that it's the Aryan's fault for creating the Jewish menace. Pre-captivity chosen people were a noble warrior people, but it was not until they were in Babylon did they learn the (((Priestly))) way of the Brahmin Aryan

[Anonymous No.20281251]

>>20280019
>he thought the 'breeding of four castes' was unnecessary and thought it would be more practical to breed two races
3 castes.
1. Philosophers,
2. Warriors/bureaucrats.
3. Scientists/Merchants/Craftsmen

"The superior caste—I call it the fewest—has, as the most perfect, the privileges of the few: it stands for happiness, for beauty, for everything good upon earth. Only the most intellectual of men have any right to beauty, to the beautiful; only in them can goodness escape being weakness. Pulchrum est paucorum hominum: goodness is a privilege. Nothing could be more unbecoming to them than uncouth manners or a pessimistic look, or an eye that sees ugliness—or indignation against the general aspect of things.<...> The most intelligent men, like the strongest, find their happiness where others would find only disaster: in the labyrinth, in being hard with themselves and with others, in effort; their delight is in self-mastery; in them asceticism becomes second nature, a necessity, an instinct. They regard a difficult task as a privilege; it is to them a recreation to play with burdens that would crush all others.... Knowledge—a form of asceticism
<...>
The second caste: to this belong the guardians of the law, the keepers of order and security, the more noble warriors, above all, the king as the highest form of warrior, judge and preserver of the law. The second in rank constitute the executive arm of the intellectuals,
<...>
Let us not underestimate the privileges of the mediocre. Life is always harder as one mounts the heights—the cold increases, responsibility increases. A high civilization is a pyramid: it can stand only on a broad base; its primary prerequisite is a strong and soundly consolidated mediocrity. The handicrafts, commerce, agriculture, *science*, the greater part of art, in brief, the whole range of occupational activities, are compatible only with mediocre ability and aspiration; such callings would be out of place for exceptional men; the instincts which belong to them stand as much opposed to aristocracy as to anarchism. The fact that a man is publicly useful, that he is a wheel, a function, is evidence of a natural predisposition; it is not society, but the only sort of happiness that the majority are capable of, that makes them intelligent machines. To the mediocre mediocrity is a form of happiness; they have a natural instinct for mastering one thing, for specialization. It would be altogether unworthy of a profound intellect to see anything objectionable in mediocrity in itself. It is, in fact, the first prerequisite to the appearance of the exceptional: it is a necessary condition to a high degree of civilization."

[dago !XvLR0tbIro No.20281252]

>>20281251
interdasting! From WIll to Power?

[Anonymous No.20281253]

>>20279886
Carlyle on Hero worship.

[Anonymous No.20281256]

>>20281252
The Antichrist, #57

[Anonymous No.20281259]

>>20281251
>The superior caste—I call it the fewest—has, as the most perfect, the privileges of the few: it stands for happiness, for beauty, for everything good upon earth.
Because no one but a few people wants those things. What a genuine charlatan

[Anonymous No.20281265]

>>20281251
>Let us not underestimate the privileges of the mediocre. Life is always harder as one mounts the heights—the cold increases, responsibility increases
Wrong - Nietzsche lived the life of a solitary loser with no responsibilities and was naturally gifted

[dago !XvLR0tbIro No.20281266]

>>20281256
nice find brudda
I will have to reconsider my previous position on this matter now

>A high civilization is a pyramid
based

[Anonymous No.20281270]

>>20281259
>Because no one but a few people wants those things
"They rule, not because they want to, but because they *are*; they are not at liberty to play second."

[Anonymous No.20281273]

>>20281251
MEGA BULLSHIT. His sincere conviction was that new elite should be synthesis between the jewish bankers and german officers. USA?..

[Anonymous No.20281276]

>>20281251
>It would be altogether unworthy of a profound intellect to see anything objectionable in mediocrity in itself. It is, in fact, the first prerequisite to the appearance of the exceptional: it is a necessary condition to a high degree of civilization.
Fundamentally wrong - excellence comes from cloistering or from its pockets being able to breath in nearness to one another. Texas doesn't have more greats than Athens did because more mediocres.

[dago !XvLR0tbIro No.20281281]

>>20281273
>synthesis between the jewish bankers and german officers
La Cosa Nostra

[Anonymous No.20281283]

>>20281270
Your quote is correct but doesn't refute my original point in even the slightest.

[Anonymous No.20281291]

>>20281252
>interdasting
If you have been reading for 1 year and have a nominally above average IQ Nietzsche is interesting. Otherwise, he's drab, has said nothing novel that hasn't been said elsewhere by others, and also conceited for being a genuinely unoriginal thinker. A Nietzschean moment is just him saying that something is a spook and reviving Ancient Roman conceptions of worth and value. He's only satisfying because he highlights natural instincts humans have which Christian societies have ignored because they are relatively meaningless (i.e., finite forces vs infinite).

[dago !XvLR0tbIro No.20281297]

>>20281291
cope
>He's only satisfying
because his style is amazing and unparalleled

[Anonymous No.20281302]

Threads like this are why I don’t tell people I love Nietzsche in real life. Why do anons think you have to agree 100% with someone to share their ideology? Even if you hate Nietzsche and find only 10% of his beliefs applicable and worthwhile, and that 10% really influences you, he is still a positive influence. I always see anons disagree with a single point or two of a philosopher or writer, and totally disregard them. Your beliefs will never 100% align with anyone. Take what you can from everything and everyone

[Anonymous No.20281303]

>>20279914
What kind of Jewish cope is this?

[Anonymous No.20281306]

>>20281281
btfoed by based Mussolini. Anyway did you know that Mussolini gifted some shit to the museum of Nietzsche in Germany in late 1945. Strange times, strange ways.

[Anonymous No.20281309]

>>20281291
he is poet and you are an npc

[dago !XvLR0tbIro No.20281315]

>>20281306
>btfoed by based Mussolini
absolutely not, this came back to haunt Mussolini later and Cosa Nostra emerged stronger than ever. Skorzeny even writes about how the Mafia BTFO'd Mussolini and led to the Allies easily taking Sicily in his memoir.
> Mussolini gifted some shit to the museum of Nietzsche in Germany in late 194
Did not know that but makes sense. Hitler and the Germans gifted Musso a bunch of Nietzsche shit including a rare first edition of his collected works

[dago !XvLR0tbIro No.20281323]

>>20281251
one should not belong to the superior caste unless he can bench press 315 lbs

[Anonymous No.20281329]

>>20281250
He was wrong

[Anonymous No.20281330]

>>20281315
>Cosa Nostra emerged stronger than ever
anyway btfoed by CIA later
>absolutely not
What they did in the USA in the first place :)
>>20281302
Reread Zarathustra. Don`t share your own virtue with pleb. I personally also don`t talk about N. in the public. Looks like every adult Nietzschean do.

[Anonymous No.20281332]

>>20280068
>Nietzsche would have become a passive Nihilist monk praising death and yearning for the cessation of reincarnation…
LOL

[Anonymous No.20281333]

>>20281291
I’ve been reading for ~25 years and still love Nietzsche. He gets me playing pumped up. I don’t care about his “political” thoughts

[Anonymous No.20281336]

>>20281329
he was right, OBJECTIVE GOOD was an iranian invention

[Anonymous No.20281342]

>>20281336
He was wrong

[Anonymous No.20281348]

>>20281342
ok Stacy

[Anonymous No.20281354]

>>20281330
I’ve actually read Zarathustra 3 times in the last couple weeks. Every year I have a couple weeks where I go on a major Nietzsche bender. I take whatever I read and apply it to my life the best way I can. I don’t care much about analysis or authorial intent much anymore. I wish there could just be one positive Nietzsche thread. He helped change my life

[Anonymous No.20281358]

Emerson
Melville, Moby-Dick
Kantorowicz, Kaiser Friedrich der Zweite
Greek tragedy
Seneca’s tragedies
Shakespeare
The Iliad
Mahabharata
La Rochefoucauld
Pascal
Pindar

[Anonymous No.20281359]

>>20281332
So you can’t see the influence of atman, Brahman, eternal recurrence, the bridge, etc? I never said he lines up 100%

[Anonymous No.20281364]

>>20281348
Still wrong

[Anonymous No.20281368]

>>20279886
/x/ schizos on a friday night

[Anonymous No.20281371]

>>20281354
>Every year I have a couple weeks where I go on a major Nietzsche bender
Based. I read N. my whole life too after im discovered him. And every reading change me to the levels of new understanding over and over. You almost can`t read other weak and impotent authors, he warned us about this lel. Btw next stage should be learning german as i plan to do.
>He helped change my life
Yep he is the future. Socrates of our times. Anti-Socrates.

[Anonymous No.20281380]

>>20279886
>Who scratches the same itch as Nietzsche?
Pic related

[Anonymous No.20281403]

>>20281358
Can you explain a bit about Pascal? I know Nietzsche really liked him, but everything I read from him sounded too different from Nietzsche, I think he has some good takes but I’m not sure if his works give the same streghtening power as Nietzsche’s do. I feel he’s a lot like Leopardi, who I really love, that is, they make you see the emptiness, the hunger, but don’t offer anything that can make you stand up and activate a hunter consciousness, so to speak.
The rest are indeed great recommendations.

[Anonymous No.20281413]

>>20279886
Lev Shestov and Nishitani.

[Anonymous No.20281423]

[Anonymous No.20281471]

Also Sprach Zarathustra was modelled on the Bible regarding form

[Anonymous No.20282158]

>>20281471
But compared to the Bible, it has the exact opposite approach regarding dogmatism and obeying the Word as law.

[Anonymous No.20282284]

>>20281297
>>20281309
>>20281333
Zero prose game from my haters - as unsurprising as Nietzsche is predictable.

[Anonymous No.20282715]

>>20281323
King

[Anonymous No.20282720]

Unrelated, but in TSZ, what is everyone’s interpretation that his first companions must be “corpses and jesters”?

[Anonymous No.20283102]

Syphilis.

[dago !XvLR0tbIro No.20283239]

>>20282720
your online frens will be doomjaks and clown pepes

[Anonymous No.20283246]

>>20283239
Kek

[Anonymous No.20283619]

literally uncle ted

[The Dionysian !!4EMLBFaacDK No.20283620]

>>20279886
Nietzsche does, go read him
>>20282168

[Anonymous No.20283719]

>>20279914
Why would Nietzsche care about a "sociopath manipulator" puppeting on the will of others? Stupid redditor.

[Anonymous No.20283724]

>>20281303
Cope for the goys.

[Anonymous No.20283748]

>>20279886
Hegel should do you fine. I recommend reading Science of Logic (Jena Ausgabe), Encyclopedia of Philosophical Sciences (Meiner), Phenomenology of the Spirit Suhrkampf
There is actually nothing better to read after Nietzsche. Maybe nothing better period (.).

[Anonymous No.20283904]

>>20281358
>>20281403
i thought he hated pascal i dont recall in which books but i remember him speaking disparagingly about him

[Anonymous No.20283908]

>>20279886
Ernst Jünger

[Anonymous No.20283919]

>>20283904
He saw him as an philosophical opponent but he respected him, he was on of his favorite Christian writers.

[Anonymous No.20284045]

>>20282720
>>20282720
>Jesters ; know Limits; Meta-Aware
>Corpses ; Know they are Mortal

[Anonymous No.20284112]

>>20284045
I was thinking jesters had to do something with laughter. A lot of anons forget about Nietzsche’s laughter and dancing when they discuss him.

[Anonymous No.20284442]

>>20284112
What's the passage again? I couldn't find it.

>laughter
The Jester in the Introduction is a Foe not a companion. He is responsible for the death of the Tight-ropper?

[Anonymous No.20284687]

>>20279886
nick land

[Anonymous No.20285178]

>>20283102
it`s a myth. He had been overdosed by chloral and other drugs, which were considered as safe by old medicine. He also had bad heredity from his father who died in his 30~, traumes from army service and had permanent and painful migraines, for which he used chloral to sleep. Not a single medical examination from his time considered syphilis. 100% retrospective myth by assblassted commies and christians.

[Anonymous No.20285180]

I'd rather know how we can survive with the loss of god in consideration of Nietzsche's solution being lunatic bullshit.

[Anonymous No.20285188]

>>20285180
We can`t and we dying out. May be his solution is lunatic bullshit but at least it was noble in the godless world.

[Anonymous No.20285266]

>>20279886
I would say read the theory fiction inspired by Nietzsche, he is a poet after all.
Start with Pilgrim

[Anonymous No.20285364]

>>20285188
>We can`t and we dying out.
>>20284687

A better way out has been already proposed by Nick Land.
Embrace the inverted gnosticism, worship Gnon/Capital/AxSys/AI, because if it's statistically low-probable, then it's a cybernetic positive feedback loop. If it's cybernetic, then it features reverse causality. And if causality is reversed, then it's time-travel.

[Anonymous No.20285377]

Im reading Beyond good and evil right now and getting completely filtered, im going to stick with it and finish it, but i dont think i'll retain anything im reading. The ramblings against everything just seem really gay to me and i lose interest immediately when starting starting to read, i'll go through a complete chapter and remember nothing. Would there be any other of his works that i could potentially like more, or should i just give up and accept that im too retarded?

[Anonymous No.20285435]

>solves the problem that drove Nietzsche mad
>Vindicated the Crucified against Dionysius

Heh...rien de personnel, gamin

[Anonymous No.20285441]

>>20285435
https://firstness.org/issues/3/generative-anthropology-is-bullshit
"the argument made here against Gans is applicably almost in its entirety to his far more popular mentor, Rene Girard. The sentimental attachment to an equally speculative hypotheses of a perennial tradition amongst so called Traditionalists is another notable case of sloppy thinking."

"This also further illustrates his epistemic sloppiness. For starters, the use of the deductive method presupposes the extreme surety of one's axioms. They must have comparable strength to laws in the natural sciences. It is well known that such laws, or even universal generalisations are thin on the ground in social science and likely don't exist at all. For example, Gans provides no real scientific argument for mimesis to be treated as the necessary and exclusive elementary unit out of which socially mediated abstract cognition is composed. In some of Gans later writings we see vague invocations of Tomasello's far more respectable work, but the basis for Gans' postulation of axiomatic mimesis in his model is the equally suspect speculative anthropological theory of his mentor, Rene Girard. Typically, axioms in a deductive argument are based off a well supported empirical generalisation, based in turn on some real-world research. Ultimately Generative Anthropology provides no serious argument for mimesis as being fundamental and that human behaviour is reducible to this."

[Anonymous No.20285454]

>>20285441
>It is well known [...] in social science

[Anonymous No.20285457]

>>20285377
I would try Zarathustra first. It’s entertaining, memorable and not as difficult as anons make it out to be

[Anonymous No.20285471]

>>20285454
>It is well known
>that social sciences laws are crap
Are you retarded, or something?

[Anonymous No.20285475]

>>20285364
Yeah, AI (which is conceptual impossible imo) is VERY inspiring project, almost like Christ and gods. And object-oriented ontology is not, how you say.. lunatic bullshit? 100%. For me Nick Land is 100% dectector of degenerates even more than Marx (and socalled NRX just another branch of hegelians (but they don`t know about this fact)))

[Anonymous No.20285479]

>>20285471
>They must have comparable strength to laws in the natural sciences. [..] It is well known that such laws [...] are thin on the ground in social science and likely don't exist at all

[Anonymous No.20285489]

>>20285441
Looooool!!!
What's this weak shit, kid?
An article about someone on the periphery of mimetic theory? A false labelling of Gans as "right leaning"

Listen boyo, your man Nietzsche got out Nietzsche'd by Girard. Face it. What's "pseudo" is your referencing some no name, tight cheeked nobody "academic" as some kind of "gotcha" against a French Immortal and Academie Francais member. Some one Le Monde called "The modern Darwin" while claiming that an asterisk be placed on the year of the release of his seminal "Things Hidden..."
Nah, pull out some more no name hacks and tell yourself again that Nietzsche didn't get rear ended by Chad-Girard

[Anonymous No.20285491]

>>20285475
>AI (which is conceptual impossible imo) is VERY inspiring project,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_feedback
Cybernetics is VERY inspiring project. And it's practically applicable. What part of "Positive feedback loop" you do not understand?

https://vastabrupt.com/2018/08/15/ideology-intelligence-and-capital-nick-land/
"In terms of my own involvement in it, I would say the guiding term, for certainly a long time, was cybernetics. The basic accelerationist thesis is that modernity is dominated by positive feedback processes rather than negative feedback processes, and the first wave of cybernetic theory — which consistently normalized negative homeostatic feedback and pathologized positive feedback — was therefore self-obsolescent."

>AI
>impossible
Ah, the clown has been triggered by a fancy word, I see.

>conceptual impossible
Thermodynamically, you're very improbable, while entropy is highly likely. Yet here you are. As are computers and smartphones.

>And object-oriented ontology is not, how you say.. lunatic bullshit?
https://syntheticzero.net/2017/06/19/the-only-thing-i-would-impose-is-fragmentation-an-interview-with-nick-land/
"Q:Then how do you see the new philosophical program of Reza Negarestani, and what do you think about his antagonism with Scott R. Bakker’s Blind Brain Theory?
A: My inclination is to be on the Scott Bakker side."
=> https://rsbakker.wordpress.com/2013/03/11/the-ptolemaic-restoration-object-oriented-whatevery-and-kants-copernican-revolution/

Object-oriented ontology is bullshit, yes. Problems?

[Anonymous No.20285495]

>>20285479
>laws in the natural sciences
>don't exist at all in social science
And your point being?..

[Anonymous No.20285501]

>>20285495
That the post is wrong for relying on the opinions of social science

[Anonymous No.20285514]

>>20285441
>>20285489

It's been laid out in detailed terms the relationship of Girard to philosophy of science and how one might take it down - but objecting via an a priori hypothesis is itself absurd. Girard's work is rigorously empirical - calling it "speculative" is an odd claim to anyone who's read Girard's work.

My advice would be, in the future, rather than googling "is Girard bullshit" and copy pasting the first shit you find, you may want to actually read the source material, not a comically absurd argument against a peripheral adopter of mimetic theory.

[Anonymous No.20285532]

>>20285514
>Girard's work is rigorously empirical
Right, Don Quixote something connecting to a metaphysical something, because mimetic desire something. Empirical.

[Anonymous No.20285542]

>>20279914
Even if it were true that Nietzsche actually would've hated the nazis, he would have loved Hitler. Nietzsche loved Napoleon despite him spreading enlightenment ideals and he loved Caesar despite him being popularis

[Anonymous No.20285552]

>>20285532
>Cherry picking an early Girard book specifically about and within the boundaries of literature
>Ignoring his later anthropological works like Violence and the Sacred, The Scapegoat and, especially, Things Hidden since the Foundation of the World.

Not doing yourself any favours, bud

[Anonymous No.20285586]

>>20279886

[Anonymous No.20285655]

>>20279886
Why are jews so keep on getting validation from Neetzsche? Every thread eventually descends into a few inbred tiny hats posting quotes of how much Neet loves and begging for euro hopium
Pathetic

[Anonymous No.20285666]

>>20279886
Stirner and Deleuze
Try What is Philosophy? next

[Anonymous No.20285685]

>>20283748
>There is actually nothing better to read after Nietzsche
Max Scheler, Wittgenstein, Heidegger, Nishitani, Gabor Mate, Eric Voegelin, etc. are worthwhile reads after you've gotten a grasp of Nietzsche.

[Anonymous No.20285699]

>>20285655
Bark all day, little doggy, everyone knows you can only bite the bullet a handful of moments before your whole ideology leads you to your destined mass grave.

[Anonymous No.20285721]

>>20284442
I thought the jester was symbolic of the overman. He laughs and lept the tightrope walker

[Anonymous No.20285728]

>>20281358
These plus

Rilke
Cioran
Leopardi
Holderlin

[Anonymous No.20285730]

>>20285728
Plus

Agamben
Invisible Committee
Tiqqun

[Anonymous No.20285745]

>>20281358
>>20285728
>>20285730
Mustn't forget Alan Moore.

[Anonymous No.20285751]

>>20285685
>Voegelin
"Gnostics, gnostics everywhere! Genghis Khan pursued the immanent, while conversing with the Pope, I tell you!"

>Heidegger
Aka "Nietzsche hat mich kaputt gemacht." (c)

>Wittgenstein
>worthwhile
Overrated.

>Max Scheler, Nishitani, Gabor Mate
Literally who

[Anonymous No.20285759]

>>20285751
>Literally who
Read more, post less.

[Anonymous No.20285793]

>>20285699
lol

[Anonymous No.20285844]

>>20285699
How many gorillian was it again little bitch?

[Anonymous No.20285870]

>>20281359
That is not buddhism you fucking cunt. Buddhism preaches the EXACT OPPOSITE

[Anonymous No.20286012]

>>20285730
Plus Judith Butler

[Anonymous No.20286438]

>>20279904
Nietzsche considered himself Polish so may not have gotten on with Hittyler

[dago XvLR0tbIro No.20286444]

I'm an unemployed NEET who rubs unemployment money on my nipples

[Anonymous No.20286449]

>>20285457
Alright thanks, i'll keep it in mind if i get the urge to return.

[Anonymous No.20286492]

>>20285870
This is why Taoism is the correct religion. Nietzsche’s philosophy are very similar but opposite to Buddhism. I know it’s the opposite but the concepts are still there

[Anonymous No.20286501]

>>20279886
>Who scratches the same itch as Nietzsche?
Everyone? I doubt you never scratched your balls.

[Anonymous No.20286510]

>>20286492
Buddhism's teachings are based on provability of their practice, and ideals are based on fundamentally escaping suffering which is considered permanent. What you want outside of that is irrelevant, you can still do unskillful actions if you want to.

[Anonymous No.20286539]

>>20286510
I’m talking about the broad framework. They both involve going inwards and transcending.Obviously Nietzsche is used by some people who just want power, but he can definitely be used to become a better person too

[Anonymous No.20286555]

>>20286539
>transcending
Nietzsche only does this for societal norms though? I don't remember him ever implying any meaningful metaphysics besides his autistic infinite loop of reality.

[Anonymous No.20286570]

>>20286555
>societal norms
or ones own perspective on life basically but yes.

[Anonymous No.20286625]

>>20286555
He writes about crossing a bridge, which I interpreted as transcending, on the way to the overman. Or falling off a cliff to see if you can fly. Maybe transcending isn’t the right word, but it gets the point across to nonautists. Nietzsche can be used and interpreted in many ways. The worse kind of people only look at his views on society, aka rabble. These people are miserable. Nietzsche will always be one of the most optimistic philosophers to me.

[Anonymous No.20287617]

>>20279914
This makes Hitler Nietzsche's Nietzsche

[Anonymous No.20287768]

>>20285435
>solves the problem that drove Nietzsche mad
But no problem drove Nietzsche mad. Brain cancer did. Why are you talking shit like this? It doesn't do you any favors.

[Anonymous No.20288603]

>>20279886
Ludwig Klages is the only one who is even slightly similar, and he's not even that similar desu.

[Anonymous No.20289645]

>>20285266
So is this some kinda Borgesian joke? Despite my efforts, I can find no other instance of this book, author, or image.

[Anonymous No.20289672]

>>20280716
Parsifal is still an amazing work.

>"Zarathustra" is ethically the outcome of an unconscious protest against "Parsifal" — which artistically entirely governs it — of the rivalry of one evangelist for another.
- Spengler

[Anonymous No.20289693]

>>20289645
It's some faggot promoting his book.
/lit/ seriously needs a shill thread already.

[Anonymous No.20289716]

Shakespeare, especially Othello and Macbeth.
Thucydides.
The Satyricon.
Revolt of the Angels by Anatole France.
Dr Strangelove.

[Anonymous No.20290320]

>>20279886
>Who scratches the same itch as Nietzsche?
Epistemology-wise? Bakker.

He claims Nietzsche to be his main inspiration.
http://sumrevija.si/en/sum9-scarlett-johansson-leaps-to-your-lips-an-interview-with-r-scott-bakker/
"If you read Nietzsche and strip away all post-structuralist lacquer that’s been slathered over top of him, you see something that I think genuinely offers the potential for a ‘genuinely continental’ materialism or naturalism. I mean, that’s what we want, we want a continental naturalism. I don’t know what the hell materialism is. I don’t even know how we go about gaining theoretical knowledge about these things. But what I do know is that’s where the bombs are. That’s where the guns are. And that’s where the information is. Endless amounts of information. We devise material instruments and we gain more material information on the nature of the material universe. That’s why I always refer to ‘high-dimensional’ as opposed to ‘material’ per se. I worry that ‘materialism’ is just simply going to suck us into another metaphysical cul-de-sac."


And his style is (at times) metal enough.
https://rsbakker.wordpress.com/2014/04/13/the-blind-mechanic-ii-reza-negarestani-and-the-labour-of-ghosts/
"Humanity possesses no essential, invariant core. Reason is a parochial name we have given to a parochial biological process. No transcendental/quasi-transcendental/virtual/causal-but-acausal functional apparatus girds our souls. Norms are ghosts, skinned and dismembered, but ghosts all the same. Reason is simply an evolutionary fix that outruns our peephole view. The fact is, we cannot presently imagine what will replace it. The problem isn’t ‘incommensurability’ (which is another artifact of Intentionalism). If an alien intelligence came to earth, the issue wouldn’t be whether it spoke a language we could fathom, because if it’s travelling between stars, it will have shed language along with the rest of its obsolescent biology. If an alien intelligence came to earth, the issue would be one of *what kind of superordinate machine will result*. Basically, How will the human and the alien combine? When we ask questions like, ‘Can we reason with it?’ we are asking, ‘Can we linguistically condition it to comply?’ The answer has to be, No. Its mere presence will render us components of some description."