Bible Thread II

[Anonymous No.20261250]

In continuation of >>20243004

In this thread, we discuss the Bible: the number one best selling book in the world year after year.

Please be civil.

Opening question:
If you had in your possession a specimen of saleable, collectible pornography, would you either sell it and donate the money to an appropriate charity, or cast it into the fire as a righteous act of damnatio memoriæ?

[Anonymous No.20261416]

>>20261250
QOTT: Sell it.

Actual Response: I just started reading the Bible cover-to-cover for the first time. Made it through Genesis so far and holy good goddamn was that a lot.

[Anonymous No.20261826]

>>20261250
why doesn't this heavenly fucker show himself so we know we aren't just talking to ourselves

[Anonymous No.20261967]

>>20261250
Destroy it, the poor will always be there.
>>20261826
It's happens all the time.

[Anonymous No.20261980]

>>20261250
Is this the GOAT interlinear Bible? I was disappointed when I got my interlinear NT to find out they rearranged the Greek to fit the ESV English translation rather than give you the Greek NT as it was.

[Anonymous No.20262047]

>>20261826
>why doesn't this heavenly fucker show himself
He did.

>>20261250
Based OP, I have that book. It's good to have the source text for looking up passages, many times English translations are very disappointing.

>would you either sell it and donate the money to an appropriate charity, or cast it into the fire as a righteous act of damnatio memoriæ?
Destroy it and commit a charitable act from my own pocket. Selling it is out of the question, one does not do good by becoming a distributor of pornography.

[Anonymous No.20262057]

>>20261980
It's pretty good I think.

[Anonymous No.20262067]

>>20261250
Burn it just like I do any "bible" (non KJB) to prevent it from corrupting others with its Satanic filth.

[Anonymous No.20262094]

people have a mountain of evidence that the new testament is reliable but when you show them that the kingdom of david is a myth made to build up heebs' morale under babylonian captivity they're speechless
the NT could be writen by Jesus himself but it won't make christianity true, and if the OT is mythology christianity is false for sure

[Anonymous No.20262166]

>>20262094
ok bart ehrman

[Anonymous No.20262176]

>>20262166
I hate him with a passion

[Anonymous No.20262242]

>>20261416
keep going anon. read Exodus then you can take a break to skip ahead to the gospels. you don't have to read the entire book in order.

[Anonymous No.20262467]

I discovered and read yesterday the bit about incest, loved it
are there any fanarts or something

[Anonymous No.20262469]

>>20261416
and it's just the surface; check Genesis 5 genealogy with the meaning of the names; there's tons of prophecy and prefigurations everywhere in the OT.

As >>20262242 puts it, a jump to the NT wouldn't be bad; i'd recommend starting with it even. If you might be in need of an order: Matthew, Mark, Luke, Acts, John, Epistles, Revelation, OT in order.
you could swap the Gospels around; read Luke with Acts because he wrote both, i prefer the order i listed.

[Anonymous No.20262491]

>>20262467
found one, what a great painting

[Anonymous No.20263425]

Anyone else waiting for them to come out and admit it's all a giant Satanic plot? I feel like we've never been closer to prophecy/collapse and it's just a straight slope downwards.

[Anonymous No.20263544]

>>20263425
>them
whom?
>it's all a plot
what is?

[Anonymous No.20263606]

>>20263544
Reprobates: could easily classify them as bankers, politicians, ceos, generic satanists,
The plot to destabilize the world and institute a totalitarian dystopia because jews feel unsafe in ethnically whole countries. (likely just pure Satanic intentions though)
I'm talking about the destruction of food production, energy crisis, vaccinations, free speech, the whole schizo 9 yards. Feels like it is setting itself up to mirror Revelations almost perfectly.

I've been reading up on various infrastructure reports and it's going to be a global collapse in terms of famine and disease, unless there's a magic red fixit button hiding somewhere

[Anonymous No.20263608]

I still don't get who the other people in the world are, when Cain goes off

[Anonymous No.20263623]

>>20263606
oh them.

yeah u right.

[Anonymous No.20263663]

>you WILL read the Book of Proverbs
>you WILL keep its commands in your heart
>you WILL become wise
>you WILL make your parents proud
>you WILL have a lovely wife and lots of children
>you WILL prosper
>you WILL die peacefully in your bed surrounded by your loving family

[Anonymous No.20263667]

>>20263608
They’re daughters of Adam. The Bible is clear that all of humankind descends from Adam. It doesn’t say Cain found anyone new there.

[Anonymous No.20263679]

>>20263608
Genesis 5:4

[Anonymous No.20263701]

Do you think God would ever do the whole creation experiment again? We wrap up our salvation thing and a few eternities go by and God says "hey maybe if we did it again the first thing the woman does won't be the single thing I told her not to do?"
Kinda funny to think about.

[Anonymous No.20263713]

>>20263663
>you WILL thank God for it in your deathbed
>you WILL be with Christ in heaven in absolute perfect happiness
also, if anyone might not know, wisdom in proverbs is Christ.

[Anonymous No.20263781]

>>20263713
>wisdom in proverbs is Christ.
Source for this? Or did you make it up?

[Anonymous No.20263823]

>>20263781
The Church Fathers have taught this over a millennia ago. Read Proverbs 9, what does it say?—Wisdom offers people bread and wine, among other things. A clear prefiguration of the Eucharist. In Proverbs 8 the figure of Wisdom is said to be an architect of the creation along with God, and this is entirely consistent with John 1, where nothing was created apart from the Word of God. This becomes even clearer in deuterocanonical texts like the Wisdom of Solomon were Wisdom is described as being the image of God’s goodness, and is only-begotten (monogenes), etc. Also clear in Ephesians 3:10-11, among other places
>so that through the church the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly places. This was according to the eternal purpose that he has realized in Christ Jesus our Lord,

[Anonymous No.20263849]

>>20263701
I have pondered this as well. I have no Biblical foundation for this, but I wouldn’t be surprised if God had done this entire process countless times.

[Anonymous No.20263908]

>>20263849
i refrained from replying to the other one, but the whole idea of that is asinine.
it's omnipotence without omniscience.

or, to be comical, it's basically what an anon would do with power.

[Anonymous No.20263942]

>>20263908
I didn’t mean recreating another world explicitly to avoid the Fall. God knew that was going to happen, obviously, and it was part of His plan for the world that that occur. What I was saying was that it would not surprise me if God had created countless myriads of worlds and essentially ran the same process over and over again, simply to draw more people to Himself. Whether a Fall would happen every time or not, who knows.

[Anonymous No.20264225]

>>20263942
yes, and as said, that presupposes something bad about God. in that idea of "more people" for example, vanity.

[Anonymous No.20264472]

>>20263823
thanks anon

[Anonymous No.20264476]

besides the Bible, what's the best book I can read that gives an overview of Christianity?

[Anonymous No.20264509]

>>20264225
Can it not be said that God wills as many to be saved as possible and wishes to share his love with as many as He can? It’s not hard to think that this may be the purpose of the entire creation

[Anonymous No.20264534]

>>20264476
>besides the Bible, what's the best book I can read that gives an overview of Christianity?
Catechism of the Catholic Church is what you're asking for. And maybe the Didache if you wanted a glance at the beginnings of the church.

[Anonymous No.20264547]

>>20264476
The Light of Christ by Thomas Joseph White is a very good overview. Introduction to Christianity by Benedict XVI is good too.

[Anonymous No.20264552]

>>20264476
For the history of Christian doctrine can't go wrong with Jaroslav Pelikan's 5 volume series.

[Anonymous No.20264614]

>>20264476
>besides the Bible
Enjoy being fooled into false beliefs by Satan.

[Anonymous No.20264726]

>>20261250
You guys raided our Nietzsche thread so I am returning the favour. Have a passage from the Genealogy of Morals:

(1/2)

Nothing that has been done on earth against ‘the noble’, ‘the mighty’, ‘the masters’ and ‘the rulers’, is worth mentioning compared with what the Jews have done against them: the Jews, that priestly people, which in the last resort was able to gain satisfaction from its enemies and conquerors only through a radical revaluation of their values, that is, through an act of the most deliberate revenge [durch einen Akt der geistigsten Rache]. Only this was fitting for a priestly people with the most entrenched priestly vengefulness. It was the Jews who, rejecting the aristocratic value equation (good = noble = powerful = beautiful = happy = blessed) ventured, with awe-inspiring consistency, to bring about a revesal and held it in the teeth of the most unfathomable hatred (the hatred of the powerless), saying: ‘Only those who suffer are good, only the poor, the powerless, the lowly are good; the suffering, the deprived, the sick, the ugly, are the only pious people, the only ones saved, salvation is for them alone, whereas you rich, the noble and powerful, you are eternally wicked, cruel, lustful, insatiate, godless, you will also be eternally wretched, cursed and damned!’ . . . We know who became heir to this Jewish revaluation . . . With regard to the huge and incalculably disastrous initiative taken by the Jews with this most fundamental of all declarations of war, I recall the words I wrote on another occasion (Beyond Good and Evil, section 195) 21 – namely, that the slaves’ revolt in morality begins with the Jews: a revolt which has two thousand years of history behind it and which has only been lost sight of because – it was victorious . . .

[Anonymous No.20264731]

>>20264726

(2/2)

This Jesus of Nazareth, as the embodiment of the gospel of love, this ‘redeemer’ bringing salvation and victory to the poor, the sick, to sinners – was he not seduction in its most sinister and irresistible form, seduction and the circuitous route to just those very Jewish values and innovative ideals? Did Israel not reach the pinnacle of her sublime vengefulness via this very ‘redeemer’, this apparent opponent of and disperser of Israel? Is it not part of a secret black art of a truly grand politics of revenge, a far sighted, subterranean revenge, slow to grip and calculating, that Israel had to denounce her actual instrument of revenge before all the world as a mortal enemy and nail him to the cross so that ‘all the world’, namely all Israel’s enemies, could safely nibble at this bait? And could anyone, on the other hand, using all the ingenuity of his intellect, think up a more dangerous bait? Something to equal the enticing, intoxicating, benumbing, corrupting power of that symbol of the ‘holy cross’, to equal that horrible paradox of a ‘God on the Cross’, to equal that mystery of an unthinkable final act of extreme cruelty and self- crucifixion of God for the salvation of mankind? . . . At least it is certain that sub hoc signo Israel, with its revenge and revaluation of all former values, has triumphed repeatedly over all other ideals, all nobler ideals. – –

Enjoy moralising your weakness and misfortune you pathetic weasels.

[Anonymous No.20264774]

>>20263667
Adamkind descends from Adam. it definitely isn't clear that humankind does

[Anonymous No.20264835]

>>20264726
>>20264731
>midwit edgelord takes
Enjoy succumbing to the trap set by pride of intellect floating in vapors.

[Anonymous No.20264853]

>>20264726
>>20264731
fwiw Nietzsche would find your neo-pagan larping cringe and disgusting. To Nietzsche you'd be far closer to the Last Man than the Overman.

[Anonymous No.20264876]

Watched a show about the jefferson bible. For those that don't know, Thomas jefferson literally cut verses out of the Bible relating to Jesus' morality and pasted them in a separate book

He felt Jesus' message had been corrupted by others so he stripped away the "super natural elements" ie: miracles, angels, the resurrection, etc. among other things

Anyway, I am curious as to how you all view this. I find it odd that one would strip away the resurrection but I suppose it would go in that camp of those who think Jesus' message was twisted in the gospels and the epistles

[Anonymous No.20264886]

If anyone is interested in old fashioned Vulgates, these guys make a reproduction of a legendary version from 120 years ago. It sells out quickly and is currently in stock.
https://www.churchlatin.com/

[Anonymous No.20264918]

>>20264876
Jesus entire morality was based around eschewing this world in favor of the next. I don't understand how his ethical teachings could be of any use for someone who denies the spiritual nature of man.

[Anonymous No.20264930]

>>20264853
>neo-pagan
Neo-pagan? What gave you that impression? Oh wait, I forgot, Christcucks can never defend their own religion so resort to criticising paganism regardless of whether their opponent is pagan or not for they have no other strategies to resort to.

[Anonymous No.20264992]

>>20264930
I'm just surprised you were assblasted enough by us dumb Christcucks and our fag religion to come post
>2
>lmao
snippets of Neetcha and act like it was an impressive revenge for uh "raiding" your thread.
I'm sure the past 1,000 years of your Christian ancestors are so impressed you stuck it to us.

[Anonymous No.20265014]

>>20264930
>Neo-pagan? What gave you that impression?
They're the usual types who come around here spouting "muh neetch", "muh jew on a stick", "muh christcucks", "muh slave morality". It don't really matter since you're equally cringe and a child with an identity crisis.

Nietzsche by his own admission would not want to live in any society where his philosophy reigned dominant so I fail to see any merit to his thought.

[Anonymous No.20265030]

>>20264918
Yeah that's something I dont understand either but then it is in vain to try and understand scripture without the Holy Spirit anyway so when trying to be the "natural man" as Paul describes you will miss what is of the Spirit

He took it to a serious level. He had Latin Greek French and English translations in his composition. It ends evidently with Jesus being buried

[Anonymous No.20265031]

>surely having a bible general will keep the proselytizing larp-trolls out of other threads on the board

[Anonymous No.20265062]

The oddity of Nietzsche’s Christ is how close he comes to a cliché on the one hand and how remote he seems from the texts from which his picture is extracted on the other: he appears in The Anti-Christ as a sort of outlandish hybrid between a fin de siècle Parisian decadent, nourished on absinthe and opium, and an autistic child. The implausibility is difficult to exaggerate; the fiction is so thoroughly polemical that all proportion and narrative continuity is lost – an imaginative failure, as I have said. It would seem that, for Nietzsche, the figure of the Gospels remained to the end indomitable: in Christ he encountered a restive, alien, and intractable quality that had to be put at a distance by a combination of invective and extravagant psychological speculation. Admittedly, to deem The Anti-Christ an artistic failure is an entirely aesthetic evaluation, but in regard to Nietzsche nothing could be more pertinent. In this work, finally, the form of Christ remains rhetorically untouched (which is what is at issue for Nietzsche: he is not like Harnack, deluded that he can retrieve something of Christ’s historical substance as an objective quantity). To Nietzsche, whose limited psychological phenomenology can accommodate nothing that does not obey the simple taxonomy of active and reactive, Christ can be grasped only as withdrawal, dissolution, spindrift evaporating at the verge of the great ocean of violent energy that is the cosmos; it is inconceivable to him that the lamb brought to slaughter could be also the lion of Judah.

- David Bentley Hart, the Beauty of the Infinite

[Anonymous No.20265074]

>>20265031
This is in the same vein as the /pol/ - /tv/ sperg war, and can be summed up that since television is inherently a political tool as much as it is a recreational outlet, then the observations of blah blah blah are valid and the conversations are relevant.
Having the Bible general may allow an outlet for dedicated religious conversation, but someone is equally justified to speak as a religious person on other subject matter. Just like a poltard is justified to speak about TV programs and how his worldview relates to them.
I personally don't have an issue with cross-thread or even cross-board conversations but I can understand how it might be frustrating. Hopefully your evangelists were at least tolerable and not full retard, otherwise you have my sympathy.

[Anonymous No.20265083]

>>20265062
Again, there is little but force of rhetoric behind Nietzsche’s constant reversion to a pagan vision of the world as perpetual agon, a terrible collusion of chaos and order, which is shaped and controlled through the judicious deployment of various powers, such as “reason” or “the state,” or (as is the case with Nietzsche) merely affirmed as wasteful but indestructible creativity. Nietzsche is a pure metaphysician insofar as he cannot endure the “irrational” idea of a freely creative and utterly transcendent love; he thirsts for the soothing fatalism of “necessity.” Thus he merely repeats the wisdom of totality, how redoubled and reinvigorated by a critique internal to itself: like Dionysus, totality rends itself apart to give itself new birth; the limbs of Parmenides are reassembled in the form of Heracleitos. If, however, the language of Christ’s evangel is taken seriously, for even a moment, a certain salutary trembling must pass through the edifice of totality: it is irreconcilably subversive of all the values of antique virtue and public philosophy, whether guarded by Apollo or animated by Dionysus; it makes every claim to power and to rights not only provisional, not only false, but quite simply absurd. Christians claim that the beauty that appears in Christ, contrary to all judicious taste, abides with and in the poor, the godforsaken, the forgotten, and the lowly, not simply as a sweetening of their lot with bootless sentimentality, or because Christianity cherishes life only when it is weak, perishing, and uncomely, but because Christ – who is the truth of being – indwelling among and embracing these “slaves,” shows them to be luminously beautiful.

...

Finally, of course, as I have repeatedly insisted, it is taste, rather than historical evidence, that must dictate whether one elects to see Christ as a creator of values or as an impotent decadent. Again, it is Nietzsche’s aesthetic evaluation – I this case his preference for the form and allure of noble values over Christ’s gospel of love – that remains unassailable. The metaphysical aspects of his critique, which continually float to the surface wherever they are denied, are embarrassing if regarded as anything other than facets of an imaginative narrative, an attempt at a more compelling story, whose appeal is rhetorical, whose logic is figurative, and whose foundation is none. Nietzsche’s disdain does not follow from the force of his reasoning; it is that force.

[Anonymous No.20265102]

>There are people with the last name Cain
Why?

[Anonymous No.20265131]

>>20265062
>>20265083
The four parts of DBHs critique of Nietzsche if anyone wants to read them in full

https://anopenorthodoxy.wordpress.com/2018/06/06/being-hart-on-nietzsche-part-1/

https://anopenorthodoxy.wordpress.com/2018/06/07/being-hart-on-nietzsche-part-2/

https://anopenorthodoxy.wordpress.com/2018/06/08/being-hart-on-nietzsche-part-3/

https://anopenorthodoxy.wordpress.com/2018/06/11/being-hart-of-nietzsche-part-4/

[Anonymous No.20265147]

>>20265102
"Yes I would be happy to bear the same surname as the guy who pissed God off and was cursed to the ends of the earth"
This is like when muslims name their kid Mohammed or jews name their kids Satan isn't it
Or cat ladies go home to the entire cast of game of thrones

>>20265131
hey thanks man, I just wish I was smart enough to appreciate that big brain style of writing. Still, I'll give them a look

[Anonymous No.20265588]

>>20263608
Adam and Eve aren't the first humans, just the first Christians

[Anonymous No.20265593]

>>20264476
Holy shit you've had some bad recommendations
>read the liturgy of a church that existed nearly 2000 years ago if you want to understand Christianity
Try Mere Christianity by CS Lewis.

[Anonymous No.20265898]

>>20261967
If you are going to reference the anointing of Jesus, do it right. Jesus would have consumed the porn in this example. He didn't set the oils on fire.

[Anonymous No.20266299]

>>20265898
>comparing anointing to literal pornography
come on.

[Anonymous No.20266300]

>>20265588
no, first humans.
>>20265593
yes. Mere Christianity is an amazing read.

[Anonymous No.20266311]

>>20266300
>there are creationists ITT

[Anonymous No.20266319]

>>20264726
>retard read nietzshe in english instead of original german
dumb fuck

[Anonymous No.20266341]

>>20266311
>there are non-creatonists ITT

[Anonymous No.20266344]

>>20266319
it's drivel either way lole

[Anonymous No.20266358]

That’s for the atheists. Prove me that God doesn’t exist. If you do that I cease being a christian.

[Anonymous No.20266362]

>>20266311
Most forms of theistic evolution still claims Adam and Eve were the first humans.

[Anonymous No.20266394]

>>20261826
In the present, he talks to everybody through the holy spirit. He lives inside everybody's heads.

[Anonymous No.20266399]

>>20263701
It's not an experiment. G-d created humans so that he can love them, and we in return. That's what gives him joy, we are not mere "experiments"

[Anonymous No.20266415]

>>20266362
Adam and Eve lived near the Persian Gulf, which places their existence well after the evolution of humans.

[Anonymous No.20266522]

I'm going to the church store tomorrow to buy stuff for a prayer shrine I'm about to create. It's in a corner but not facing it directly, instead facing the wall. It has a chair and small desk. I'm thinking icons and a crucifix for the wall with rosaries hanging from it, and a bible and prayer books, candles/incense, and maybe a nice centrepiece statue for the desk. Thoughts or suggestions?

[Anonymous No.20266731]

>>20266311
Yeah. I go back and forth on whether God used evolution or not to make humans.
He certainly could've but I'm inclined to think he didn't. The thing that is a sticking point for me is, if we evolved, did we have a soul prior to becoming home sapiens (or whatever it is they classify us as now)

[Anonymous No.20266904]

>>20266362
Theistic evolution is not Biblical. God did not create death. Wisdom of Solomon 1:13-15 makes this as clear as day. Death and sin came into the world through the actions of a single man. Romans 5:12 makes this very clear. Romans 8:18-25 teaches us that the world subjected to futility and is under the bondage of decay—this is the direct result of Adam’s trangression, which affected the entire universe. You’re telling us to believe in a God which create death, which created a world that was corrupted and decaying for billions of years. This is not the God of the Bible.

>>20266311
Young Earth creationism is clearly put forth in God’s Word and I’ve never seen a good reason to not believe it in favor of worldly wisdom that always relies on dubious presuppositions and interpretations of the evidence from a non-Biblical and secular paradigm.

[Anonymous No.20266982]

According to the Shroud of Turin, Jesus was somewhere between 5'11.5" and 6'2"?
Isn't that pretty tall for someone back then?

[Anonymous No.20267044]

>>20266904
You are right.
Theistic evolution is a total cope. It is people who want to be Christians but at the same time want to bow down to the "science" of Masonic thinkers and be seen as "reasonable" and "enlightened".
I have read all the theistic evolution arguments and they are simply cope and mental gymnastics. Creation in Genesis is literal.

[Anonymous No.20267079]

>>20267044
You can thank Aquinas for positing death in Paradise. This completely cucks Catholics and it shows they want the respect of the secular masses.

[Anonymous No.20267084]

>>20266522
Get Orthodox icons, not statues. Get a prayer rope, but a rosary should do even if it's part of the Catholic tradition.

[Anonymous No.20267097]

I am thinking about getting baptized. My dad scheduled a meeting for me to talk with the pastor next week.

[Anonymous No.20267107]

>>20266982
It would be tall, but I doubt the Shroud of Turin is legit.

[Anonymous No.20267119]

>>20267107
Why do you doubt it? All of the extensive tests indicate that it is authentic and matches what Jesus went through. Only one test seemed to disagree, the carbon dating test that they did in 1988, and that was shown to be fraudulent. They did a carbon dating test before that and it matches when Jesus was crucified.

[Anonymous No.20267169]

>>20267097
it's one great thing to do anon.
make sure you know how important it is.

[Anonymous No.20267221]

>>20267119
I don't know enough, but it seems too wild that we have the face of Christ. Perhaps it is legit.

[Anonymous No.20267470]

>>20267044
I agree. For me, when I realized Christianity was true, I totally jumped ship from the reigning naturalistic / secular paradigm into the Biblical one. Christians who affirm lies like evolution have not totally abandoned the naturalistic paradigm and trusted in God alone. As far as I see it, if the Bible is consistently right from a prophetic dimension and often an archeological dimension (seeing as how archeologists will claim X people didn’t exist and then are always proven wrong), I have zero reason to doubt what Moses wrote happened at creation, how long it took, where we came from, etc. The wisdom of the world is foolishness to God. This would be my advice to Christians who have not fully abandon worldly wisdom—why would God lie about our origins and be consistently right about prophecy? Why would Jesus refer to the creation of Adam and Eve if it were fiction? Why would Paul base his theology of the New Adam on the Genesis narrative if it was just total lies and nonsense? It makes no sense.

[Anonymous No.20267609]

>>20262094
Just like Ur and Troy were once believed to be mythical and then proven to be historical fact by archeology, evidence for king David has been found in the Tel Dan stele. Pull your head out of the sand.

[Anonymous No.20267624]

>>20263608
The Bible never says that Cain and Abel were their only children, only that Seth was their first sin to be born after the death of Abel. It logically follows that they had other children before the murder was committed.

[Anonymous No.20267629]

>>20263701
That would require God not being omniscient, which is a logical impossibility.

[Anonymous No.20267648]

>>20267119
Well actually it’s recorded that the shroud survived a fire sometime in the Middle Ages, meaning that it was inundated with fresh carbon-14, making an accurate carbon date impossible.

[Anonymous No.20267653]

the bible

[Anonymous No.20267664]

>>20262094
> the kingdom of david is a myth
Debunked by Tel Dan Stele.

[Anonymous No.20267671]

Most of my family is orthodox (I'm not), tomorrow we'll be eating together for easter and I'm fairly sure I'll get questions along the lines of "why didn't you come to church yesterday" and so on. What can I tell them that isn't insensitive or dismissive but will satisfy them?

[Anonymous No.20267677]

>>20267671
Do you not believe or are you of a different denomination?

[Anonymous No.20267679]

>>20267671
Just tell them you're not a Christian and be done with their questions.

[Anonymous No.20267688]

>>20267677
No, I don't believe. It's complicated but my parents moved to another city when I was little and I only recently came back here so that's why I wasn't raised in it.
>>20267679
I don't want to make them sad, they're very devout, especially the older people.

[Anonymous No.20267698]

>>20267671
Pascha is the best liturgy of the year, you should go. You won’t regret it

[Anonymous No.20267737]

>>20267698
Too late now, they're starting soon and the church is far from where I live. I don't remember what you're supposed to do during mass anyway, last time was like a decade ago

[Anonymous No.20268145]

>>20267609
>>20267664
>Tel Dan stele
wrong. all it tells us is that there was a dynasty of David, just as other some nations have dynasties that were themselves started by mythical figures
it was

[Anonymous No.20268215]

>>20268145
because enemy nations would obviously also state that about whoever they fought against, and not a literal war record kind of writing.

[Anonymous No.20268241]

>>20268145
This level of cope is hilarious. The Tel Dan stele is dated ~870-750 BC, and David is thought to have lived ~1040-970 BC — this isn’t a huge gap. This isn’t like some Germanic king claiming that Odin in the mythic and primeval past founded their dynasty. Let’s not forget that numerous other kings of Israel and Judah are directly attested in extra-Biblical sources. The Bible is consistently historically reliable. We have good reason to believe David existed. Cope however you’d like, but the Bible itself is a historical source.

[Anonymous No.20268274]

>>20268241
Mesha Stele mentions House of David too. It’s over for atheists

>Non-Christians say that the Bible is not historical and it has obvious fakes like the Hittites
>Hittites proven to have existed
>”Okay there might be some truth, but most of it is fake, like the kings in the Book of Kings!”
>Kings mentioned in the Book of Kings are proven to have existed
>’Okay, these were real, b-but David and Solomon are surely made up!’
>Steles mentioning David are found
>b-but patriarchs and the exodus!
Soon they’ll realize that Genesis is historically and scientifically accurate.

[Anonymous No.20268295]

german anons, how is the Schlachter 2000?

[Anonymous No.20268353]

>>20261250
Destroy it, nothing good comes of adultery and nothing good would come of profiting from it either.

Also
>smutt
>collectible
Do porn addicts really?

>>20261416
>holy good goddamn
Don't blaspheme

>>20261826
>heavenly fucker
But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. (James 4:6)
Surely he scorneth the scorners: but he giveth grace unto the lowly. (Proverbs 3:34)
Though the LORD be high, yet hath he respect unto the lowly: but the proud he knoweth afar off. (Psalm 138:6)
And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted. (Matthew 23:12)

>>20262094
>>20266311
>hath God said
Like the serpent in the garden, trying to cast doubt.

>>20264774
>>20265588
Not even remotely supported by the scriptures.

>>20265031
Or, you know, just ignore posts that trigger you, sinner. :-)

>>20266415
Evolutionism is a fairy tale for sinners. A cope to explain our existence without a Creator God to whom we're held accountable for every idle word and deed done in darkness. Natural selection is not evolution and there is not one scientifically documented instance of one kind evolving into another kind, creatures never outgrow their clade. It's a fantasy with no real evidence. Lining up a bunch of similar-looking fossils from creatures that died in Noah's flood and were buried in sediment then drawing lines between them is not proof that one evolved or magically transformed into another over millions of years. Time is not a magic wand and you'll notice evolution relies on long time, but long time is easily disproved by comets (there is no Oort cloud) or soft tissue in dinosaur fossils (soft tissue wouldn't last millions of years, especially in the condition it's been found).

>>20266522
I think you shouldn't be an idolater by creating a shrine with icons to bow before in prayer.

>>20266731
Why would you go back and forth between the Word of God and the word of men? Don't you want to build your house on rock instead of sand? There are plenty of apologetic videos regarding the record of creation in Genesis if you want to strengthen your faith. Is Genesis History, Genesis: Paradise Lost, Evolution's Achilles' Heel; to name a few off the top of my head.

>>20267653
Yeah

>>20267671
You could always tell them God forbids idolatry and Orthodox churches are full of idols and icons, but I see that's not really your complaint.

>>20267688
>I don't want to make them sad, they're very devout, especially the older people.
Do you think lying is better? Lying is a sin. Yeah, they'll be sad because they care about you, because they want you to be saved. And yeah, it's much more convenient to just tell a "little white lie", but a little white lie is still a lie and still a sin.

[Anonymous No.20268371]

>>20268353
As I said I'm not a believer so whether something is considered a sin or not doesn't matter to me. Just trying to make this as painless for everyone as possible

[Anonymous No.20268397]

[Anonymous No.20268435]

>>20268397
The only issue is that I wonder sometimes whether I am really repenting at all. Sometimes I fuck up and know that it wasn’t a smart move or was sinful, but I sometimes cannot feel true contrition. I do not know if God forgives this. It troubles me. This doesn’t happen with all sins though

[Anonymous No.20268668]

>>20268435
Do you feel bad? truly repent inside your heart?

what do you mean you don't really feel it?

[Anonymous No.20268744]

>>20267470
Most of the bible is occult allegory.

The crucifiction of jesus christ took place at Golgotha the place of the skull, alongside two thieves (pituitary and pineal glands) in order to achieve christ consciousness you must resurect these glands.

If you try to read the bible literally you are a total pleb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FshyZmw4kE&t=720s&ab_channel=BillDonahue

[Anonymous No.20268759]

>>20268435
I never feel contrition, to be honest. But I still have hope in God's mercy. We'll have to pray for it. "Grant us, Lord, fervent contrition, pure confession, and complete reparation."

[Anonymous No.20268789]

>>20268744
It's allegory, alright, but not about human anatomy.

[Anonymous No.20268922]

>>20268789
Why does the government put Fluride in the drinking water and edocrine disrupters are in nearly all processed good. Soi

They want people living on animal instincts and base consciousness by disrupting the two primary glands of the brain. Thats why Americans are so stupid and behave in a niggerish manner.

I mean if i gave you a full lobotomy would god stop me? Yet you still suffer the consequences and likely in this world the criminal is not punished and often rewarded for things like prescribing people adderal and performing abortions.

[Anonymous No.20268971]

Is there a list of known MT/LXX/DSS variants? R. Grant Jones' charts about English Bible translations have motivated me to try and apply the same technique to two non-English translations I want to compare. I know he used an RNG to select 200 NT verses to compare in his charts, but his OT chart says he chose 100 verses with "known variants" between the MT and LXX/DSS. I wanted to compare these two non-English translations with the Hebrew/Greek, as well as with the RSV/ESV/NRSV, but I'd like to know some particular verses that might be the most useful to compare.

[Anonymous No.20269119]

>>20268744
You posted a picture of Orthodox monks but do you realize that is not how Orthodox Christians interpret the Bible at all?
They interpret the Bible as both literal AND metaphotical. Not merely one or the other. And they don't talk about pineal glands, but they do have skull symbolism such as the skull of Adam underneath the cross.

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[Anonymous No.20269924]

>>20267084
What's the difference between a prayer rope and rosary beads? I thought they were synonyms.

[Anonymous No.20270207]

>>20268744
The Bible is literal and allegorical simultaneously.

[Anonymous No.20270232]

>>20269924
Rosary has a certain number of beads in a specific configuration, 5 large beads with 10 small beads in between them. Prayer beads / ropes just have a certain number of beads / knots on them for reciting prayer and can be rotated through over and over.

In short the rosary is designed specifically to recite, well, the rosary, but there's nothing stopping you from using it like regular old prayer beads to keep track of your Jesus prayers or whatever prayer you'd like to recite.

[Anonymous No.20270357]

>>20261250
>tfw reading Leviticus
bros who the fuck is Azazel and why are they sacrificing goats to him

[Anonymous No.20270401]

>>20263823
Is there a reason that Wisdom is referred to as "she" if it is Christ? Just curious because I have a study bible and the commentary affirms that Wisdom is Christ and refers to it as "he".
Is there any significance to the gender of the pronouns?

[Anonymous No.20270443]

>>20269924
The rosary has sets of beads called "decades" which are used to recite the Ave Maria, the sets of decades are seperated by beads corresponding to other prayers such as the Lord's Prayer and the mysteries of the rosary (which differ depending on the day of the week)

Prayer ropes have a certain number of knots that let you keep track of how many times you have said a prayer without counting, sometimes they also have beads, my prayer rope has one bead for every twenty-five knots. There is not a certain set of prayers designated to a prayer ropes knots in the way you say a certain prayer for each bead on a rosary.

Also Roman and Eastern Catholics seem to emphasize the rosary while the Orthodox usually stick to the prayer rope but this is not always the case and as far as I know neither church forbids use of a prayer rope/rosary.

[Anonymous No.20270462]

>>20270443
Russian traditionalists also have an unusual variant
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lestovka

[Anonymous No.20270486]

>>20270401
The Catholics and "Orthodox™" are really upset that the "Fathers" messed up their chance to claim that "she" is Mary.

[Anonymous No.20270496]

>>20270486
I'm not sure what you mean,
So the RC and EO churches think that the 'she' in Proverbs is Mary while the church Fathers say that it is Christ?

[Anonymous No.20270508]

>>20270496
No, they don't.
You're replying to a schizophrenic protestant who for some reason believes every denomination except his own is satanic mystery babylon. By his own admission he doesn't even care about the church fathers since he thinks reading anything besides the Bible is satanic, so his opinion is moot anyway.

[Anonymous No.20270516]

>>20270496
They see "Mary" in every possible place they can find her. You can guarantee yourself that they would have made that claim if the "Fathers" (the church has *one* Father, God) hadn't put it being Christ into writ. Imagine the meme where there are two buttons to press, and one says "Mary is "she" in Proverbs" and the other says "the Fathers words are as good as Scripture". Either way they are wrong. The truth of the matter is that the ancient Hebrews simply conceived of the personification of wisdom as female.

[Anonymous No.20270520]

>>20270508
>You're replying to a schizophrenic protestant who for some reason believes every denomination except his own is satanic mystery babylon
A bit like papists then

[Anonymous No.20270522]

>>20270508
Yeah I didn't really get what he was saying,

I'm just going to assume the use of 'she' is because of a difference in how gender is used in English and Hebrew instead of something deeper

[Anonymous No.20270529]

>>20261250
What books of the bible should I read from a pure literature standpoint? I want cool stories, and not bullshit religious rules.

[Anonymous No.20270535]

>>20270529
There are no "bullshit religious rules" in the Holy Bible and all of it as a whole is the coolest story ever by an infinite margin.

[Anonymous No.20270537]

>>20270529
don’t worry, the devil torturing you will be a cool story for you to think about

[Anonymous No.20270545]

>>20270529
Read the Gospels before anything else.

[Anonymous No.20270656]

>>20270529
Luke and Acts. And then repent and read the rest.

[Anonymous No.20270960]

Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

We'd best be careful there, so as not to project our own false notions of what those things (hungering, thirsting, righteousness, and being filled) truly are, and what real world ramifications their fulfillment my entail, on others nor ourselves.

We are guilty of soooooo much. Man this world hurts, don't it!

[Anonymous No.20271166]

How are you supposed to fasten icons and crosses to the wall? I'm not very handy and I don't want to fill a wall of my nice new home with nails.

[Anonymous No.20271204]

>>20271166
Checked dubs of 66 for God's true canon of Holy Scripture.
>how do I go about manifesting my idolatry into tangible fruition that becomes part of my visual reality in repeating daily life experience within the confines of my home base for hopefully the duration of my stay here in Babylon before the LORD God Almighty calls me home to His Sovereign Eternal Kingdom
You do not fasten icons and crosses to the wall, is the answer. Yes, you do not want to fill your nice virginal wall with nail holes, you've already done enough damage via your personal contribution to the nails having been driven into Christ, so let's not make things worse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx27wa0SpN4

[Anonymous No.20271237]

Thoughts on this from a purely historical perspective?

[Anonymous No.20271241]

Opinion on the Tylendale House Greek New Testament?

[Anonymous No.20271286]

>>20271237
>Pharisees
>seeking to liberalize and democratize anything
Right there is where I could not stop laughing. In the spirit, of course, as my present human manifestation remained silent within the physical realm. It would just seem that anything it says beyond that point would simply be bullshit by default.
>>20271241
Not the KJB is my opinion, and thus discarded.

[Anonymous No.20271295]

>>20270401
The word Sophia (Wisdom) is grammatically feminine. Ultimately the Word of God doesn’t have gender / sex either.

[Anonymous No.20271297]

Why did no one tell me that Orthodox Pascha is like a giant party and celebration with shouts of ‘Christ is risen’ for like two or three hours straight? Straight quality.

[Anonymous No.20271307]

>>20271295
>Ultimately the Word of God doesn’t have gender / sex either.
SON/HE/HIM/LORD/CHRIST/JESUS/ALPHA/OMEGA

[Anonymous No.20271366]

>>20271237
Even from a purely historical perspective, these ideas seem to be pulled from thin air.
>Jesus was actually himself a Pharisee and the reoccuring opposition to the Pharisees in the New Testament is actually later additions from Sadducees.
How would he know this? He can't.

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[Anonymous No.20272006]

>>20270522
yeah, the word for wisdom is feminine so it's just textual concordance.

[Anonymous No.20272260]

Is it true Jesus said the Old Testament should not be followed?

[Anonymous No.20272266]

As a man who never got baptised as a child, and recently accepted Christ as his Lord and saviour, I’m looking to find a Church to call home.
I like structure and tradition so I feel it’s between the Catholic and Orthodox faiths (sorry Protbros)
I’ve been heavily veering towards Catholicism with me being a Britbong it would be the easiest one, however I can’t deny that the tradition of the Orthodox liturgy looks amazing and ideal for worship.
One of my gripes with Orthodoxy is, as Scott Hahn put it, the “denominationalism” of it; what with there being Russian/Greek/Romanian/Serbian/Ukrainian Orthodoxy, etc.
Does anyone have some arguments against this?
Ideally I’d like to try and find some good debates between Orthodox and Catholic priests arguing their side.
Many thanks and God bless.

[Anonymous No.20272358]

>>20272266
Watch the debate between Jay Dyer (Orthodox) and Trent Horn (Catholic).
Jay Dyer won!!!

[Anonymous No.20272368]

>>20272358
>Jay Dyer
>Orthodox
lol nobody cares what that protestant has to say

[Anonymous No.20272375]

>>20272368
He is literally Orthodox. He is in ROCOR.

[Anonymous No.20272380]

>>20272358
>>20272375
Okay, Jay.

[Anonymous No.20272405]

>>20272260
It's more of a fulfillment of old law, and the lifting of some old restrictions that were once meant for the Hebrews.
aka you don't need circumcision anymore to be in God's covenant, you can eat shellfish again, etc
>>20272266
Be very careful anon, I'm not committed to any denom over the other, but many churches (and so called Christians) have been slowly subverted by evil and lean on subtler corruptions to twist your faith and prayers away from God. Praise the Lord, call upon his name, live to honor Him but always keep your eyes open, even a church may find vipers nesting beneath it.
Again I'm not arguing idolatry etc etc, I trust you'll be smart enough to see that if it comes up, but just be careful.
May the Lord keep you.

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[Anonymous No.20272835]

A Baptist's history and commentary of Bible translations into Japanese.
https://www.baptistboard.com/data/attachment-files/2019/11/4596_0bf7fe457b81ad368fb5a0ba504e53a0.pdf

[Anonymous No.20272881]

>>20261250
Toss it in to the fire and think not another moment about it or the possibility of puddling smut, no matter how lucrative it may be.

>got that copy of the interlinear Bible for Christmas this year, and I love it.

[Anonymous No.20272899]

lmao, you guys are like living fossils

[Anonymous No.20272935]

ssalvation is an arithmetic expression in all denominations except orthodoxy and I don't like it
>catholicism
salvation = dying in sanctifying grace / (repented guilt - indulgences)
>protestantism
salvation = faith
>orthodoxy
salavtion = ???

[Anonymous No.20273074]

>>20272935
my lay understanding of orthodox salvation is that it is less of a "you have this much sin, go to purgatory and burn it off" or "you have achieved the binary state of faith in Christ, collect salvation", and more of a continual process in the current life to spiritually develop so that when we meet God we are prepared and overjoyed by His presence
leading a sinful life will leave you unprepared and the presence of God will be painful to you, not that God is inflicting pain on you but rather you cannot withstand the presence of perfect Goodness as one who lived so far from it
again, this is a lay interpretation and I make no claim of authority with regard to Orthodox theology (or any other theology for that matter)

[Anonymous No.20273113]

>>20272935
>>20273074
It's just the spectrum of works vs faith vs works.
Ultimately I choose to believe good works follow sincere faith, but I know those works only matter if God chooses to let them. So I'm just here to read the Bible, learn the Word, pray to God and if I can, help others to do the same.

[Anonymous No.20273170]

>>20272405
BLESSED
But I will still come out and say, even accentuate:
>Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.
1 John 5:21
Never forget that the serpent was more *subtle* (KJV "subtil") than any beast of the field...*subtle*...*crafty*, *shrewd*, *cunning*, *skilled in deceit* (from the Amplified Bible), *sneaky*, *clever*, etc.

https://biblehub.com/genesis/3-1.htm

You gotta watch and watch for that mfr.

[Anonymous No.20273174]

>>20271241
Better than the NA28 imo. That said, I'd recommend the charts in this video and seeing which your preferred English translation aligns the closest to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDToQVs-ME0

[Anonymous No.20273180]

>>20272899
Fine by me compared to whatever you modern "humans" are. I'll take about whatever contrast from that as I can get.

[Anonymous No.20273190]

>>20268971
Deutoronomy 32:8-9 sparked some controversy.

>LXX
The angles of God
>MT
Sons of Israel
>DSS
Sons of God

As an advocate for the LXX along with the Sacra Vulgata, I’d tell you that the MT can only be trusted where it is in agreement with LXX. But all the various differences are definitely worth noting.

[Anonymous No.20273243]

>>20268971
>Is there a list of known MT/LXX/DSS variants?
I doubt it because it would be ridiculously complex. You would be hard pressed just documenting the variances within the LXX, let alone comparing it with other traditions. This is why you should ignore anyone who has a strong preference for any manuscript tradition, whether it's the LXX over the MT, or the MT over the LXX. They don't know Greek or Hebrew and they're not familiar with he original documents. There's good reason to prefer individual books of the Greek or Hebrew traditions, but never a wholesale one or the other. Tyndale has an excellent introduction to the Greek New Testament and I strongly recommend it for anyone interested in this stuff.

[Anonymous No.20273294]

I read through the entire Bible last year and have been reading a chapter of it everyday since the beginning of the year. I am reading the English Standard Version. Is it okay to skip over parts of it, or should I read the whole thing. I am currently in Leviticus.

[Anonymous No.20273333]

>>20272899
And you ain’t

[Anonymous No.20273419]

>>20273294
I'd say if you feel like reading the literal laundry list of OT laws (Levit) is a bit boring you should feel free to mix it up.

Gospels are more applicable for someone who just needs help or wants the best parts, but the OT is still worth reading afterwards.

[Anonymous No.20273492]

>>20273294
Why do you need permission not to read something? Imagine giving somebody else an answer to that question. What authority could you possibly have?

[Anonymous No.20273574]

How will the Antichrist deceive Christians who know what to watch out for? There will be signs, like he appears to bring peace to the world, unites the nations, puts himself in the place of Christ, etc. So if Christians know all this then how will so many of them be tricked?

[Anonymous No.20273615]

>>20273574
Pride and apathy.
I expect those of us who know what to look for will stare down the face of evil and watch as millions haplessly throw themselves at the feet of Antichrist because they make them feel good.
Antichrist will justify their blind faith in the authority of corrupt governments.
Antichrist will justify their tolerance and love of evil because it doesn't affect them personally.
Antichrist will justify the mark as being necessary for peace.
Antichrist will justify all their worldly sins and ignorance, and show them that the old hateful religion of Christ was always evil and bigoted, and we must form a new one to show the world we #love.
All he'd have to do is kneel for BLM and endorse vaccines and half of the world would love him more than God.
Others will watch as the darkness sets upon mankind with, as I mentioned, total apathy. We have children being sold into sex slavery under the guise of child-wellness focused transsexualism, and nobody is doing a thing.

[Anonymous No.20273625]

I'm more and more of the opinion that "Bible thread" should stick closely to just discussions of the Bible/its editions, and maybe some relevant theology and history for interpretations. These threads don't need to be a surrogate prayer group/Christian lifestyle forum.

[Anonymous No.20273648]

I don't understand how normies don't see that blatant Satanic symbolism is everywhere in pop culture. They don't even try to make it subtle anymore. They throw it in your face.

[Anonymous No.20273661]

Can sanctification be lost?
I had thought that sanctification was part of salvation or am I misunderstanding it

[Anonymous No.20273676]

>>20273625
I would prefer that too, but then it'll just exclusively be the KJV shitposter vs. everyone else for the entire thread.

[Anonymous No.20273691]

>>20264876
>Anyway, I am curious as to how you all view this.
Extremely retarded Dunning-Kruger moment.

He had zero clue what he was doing, and probably didn't understand Hebrew or Greek or typology or even basic Catholic theology.

[Anonymous No.20273697]

What is their problem

[Anonymous No.20273699]

>>20273574
I think the trick is tied into:
>Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God (Matthew 5:8, the one true Holy Bible)
The impurities in our hearts blind us to God, but make Satan more visible, and desirable. So, it's not simply a matter of "knowing" some checklist, one must be properly *attuned and oriented* in every possible way in the Way. To identify and avoid aspects of Babylon automatically takes one closer that much closer to God, brings Him that much more into clear view. He has His own arrays of frequencies for us to "listen" and follow, the Voice of the Shepherd, the original Word and Speaker thereof. I AM
It all ties together.

[Anonymous No.20273709]

>>20273697
They believe that appeasing the world is the way to reverse the trend of declining church attendance in developed countries.

[Anonymous No.20273711]

>>20264876
Many of the founding fathers were Freemasons, and Freemasons always do this sort of thing. They are Luciferians.

[Anonymous No.20273718]

>>20273709
Why would anyone go to a church that acts just like the world? That defeats the purpose.

[Anonymous No.20273731]

>>20273661
>Can sanctification be lost?
Yeah.

Something sanctified is set apart for God, like an offering in the ancient Hebrew sense or like the Eucharist in the modern Catholic sense. People can be sanctified as well, and that sanctification can be lost through sin. Becoming unclean. If you are repentant, visit a priest for the sacrament of penance and reconciliation and you're golden. Some sacramental graces can't be lost, such as baptism, or lost only through a valid decision of the church such as an annulment that declares a marriage was never validly consecrated to begin with (usually bc one partner was not acting in good faith).

[Anonymous No.20273738]

>>20273718
Exactly.

[Anonymous No.20273746]

>>20273625
All of that is directly related to, and in fact mostly resulting from, the reading and study of that "piece of literature", and fellowship between members of His Body around that "piece of literature" is a crucial aspect of that "piece of literature" because that "piece of literature" is a living, breathing, "thing" itself, the eternal word of the LORD God Almighty with some participation of man. Go mod your subs and Discord groups.

[Anonymous No.20273776]

I know this technically isn’t in the Bible, but have any of you read The Book of Enoch? Apparently it’s very Biblical and even Jesus cites it.
Following from this, what is the best version of this book?

[Anonymous No.20273793]

>>20273776
I think it isn't considered part of the official canon, but at the same time, it isn't considered blatantly heretical and fraudulent like the gnostic false Gospel of Thomas.

[Anonymous No.20273817]

>>20273776
I think 1 Enoch is all that has any "validity". You can read multiple versions online:

https://www.earlyjewishwritings.com/1enoch.html

[Anonymous No.20273831]

>>20273776
Enoch is interesting. I think it has some true elements in it and is an interesting reflection of Second Temple-era Judaism and some practices (intercession appears in the work, etc). Since Jude cites it, I think it’s worth reading, even if it’s not canonical. It was influential in the early church. I consider it to be somewhat like the Shepard of Hermas and similar works.

[Anonymous No.20273907]

>>20273711
It's just sad to see that it exists and that one of the founding fathers did it

[Anonymous No.20273915]

>>20273776
>Jesus cites it.
when

[Anonymous No.20274055]

>>20273915
Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. (Mat 5:5) The elect shall possess light, joy and peace, and they shall inherit the earth. (Enoch 5:7 {6:9})

the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the son (John 5:22). the principal part of the judgment was assigned to him, the Son of man. (Enoch 69:27 {68:39})

shall inherit everlasting life (Mat. 19:29) those who will inherit eternal life (Enoch 40:9 {40:9})

"Wo unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation. (Luke 6:24) Woe to you who are rich, for in your riches have you trusted; but from your riches you shall be removed. (Enoch 94:8 {93:7}).

Ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. (Mat. 19:28) I will place each of them on a throne of glory (Enoch 108:12 {105:26})

Woe unto that man through whom the Son of man is betrayed! It had been good for that man if he had not been born. (Mat. 26:24) Where will the habitation of sinners be . . . who have rejected the Lord of spirits. It would have been better for them, had they never been born. (Enoch 38:2 {38:2})

between us and you there is a great gulf fixed. (Luke 16:26) by a chasm . . . [are] their souls are separated (Enoch 22: 9,11{22:10,12})

In my Father's house are many mansions (John 14:2) In that day shall the Elect One sit upon a throne of glory, and shall choose their conditions and countless habitations. (Enoch 45:3 {45:3})

that ye may be called the children of light (John 12:36) the good from the generation of light (Enoch 108:11 {105: 25})

the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. (John 4:14) all the thirsty drank, and were filled with wisdom, having their habitation with the righteous, the elect, and the holy. (Enoch 48:1 {48:1})

[Anonymous No.20274056]

Is it blasphemous to read "scholarly" bible instead of regular Holy Bible? I'm interested inOxford World's Classics Bible with apocrypa but not sure if I should buy it or not.

[Anonymous No.20274077]

>>20274055
some of those Enoch quotes are spurious or were written after mark and matthew.

[Anonymous No.20274086]

>>20274056
no, it is not blasphemous. even a hermeneutic of suspicion or a historical-critical method are not blasphemous. however an eye locked into one kind of reading and understanding typically is not what you want if are trying to develop your faith.

[Anonymous No.20274103]

>>20273697
>Anglicanism
not even once

[Anonymous No.20274117]

>>20273831
This. I wouldn't read Enoch as a canonical text and would encourage people to dissuade those who do (usually larpers). However, since Jude cites it, it's worth reading, at best, as a lens with which to better understand Second Temple Judaism just before NT times and, at worst, as pious fiction.

[Anonymous No.20274202]

>>20273615
>>20273699
Thank you anons but I am wondering something.
We see these liberal, progressive "Christians" who support things like LGBT, BLM, and so on, and we can that these people are obviously phoneys and they are working in the spirit of Antichrist. It is very easy to tell.
But I wondering if the final Antichrist, when he comes, if he will be trickier and more subtle and somehow appeal not just to the liberals, but also to the more conservative and traditional, "based and redpilled" Christians to trick them. I don't really know how he would manage to appeal to both groups at once but I wonder if that will happen, or if it will be as obvious as all the liberal progressive stuff that we see all the time. What do you think anons?

[Anonymous No.20274321]

>>20274202
cute kot
I think there's absolutely a risk of being deceived, and in fact the one who is most convinced they'd see through an illusion is the perfect person to trick with one.
I'm reminded of a theme from an old fantasy series I read when I was younger, a powerful artifact waged a mental contest with its wielder and "lost" in order to make it seem like it had no power. Then it was even easier to deceive and manipulate someone who felt invincible. After all, when you're in control every choice you make is your own...right?

Still, I figure less than 15% of Christians actually read their Bible, and of that small number even a tinier fraction probably have any idea about what it means.
We're promised the way is narrow but it is astonishing how little people actually know about what comes next. I think all in all less than a few million people on earth are knowledgeable, dedicated, devoted Christians and it won't be difficult for Babylon to smother us.

Didn't take long for the golden calf to get made and worshipped, and that was after the sea was torn asunder and fiery maelstroms were sent from God himself. I think people are waiting in fearful trepidation for an easy excuse to throw all their reservations and responsibilities at the feet of an entity, one who will tell them how to live and how to be good.

In all honesty, it's terrifying. I'm even torn on whether to have children because of the famines that, the Bible aside, are almost certainly coming.

[Anonymous No.20274337]

>>20274056
Yes it’s blasphemous, Jesus clearly stated that reading his word should only be done via purchasing premium bibles (French Morocco Leather preferably) with gilded edges and 8-9pt typeface, with AT LEAST two silk ribbon markers.
Sorry mate, but that paperback Bible is sending you to hell

[Anonymous No.20274342]

>>20262047
>he did
according to a bunch of jewish fanatics 2000 years ago…

[Anonymous No.20274347]

>>20274337
I have one of those but it's written in comic sans am I okay

[Anonymous No.20274352]

>>20262067
I was supposed to deliver a bunch of old used ones to a school and library the other day, instead I pulled around the back, threw them all in the dumpster and had a coffee

[Anonymous No.20274362]

>>20274337
why do christian’s post that picture and think jesus was based? do they even know he was defending a jewish temple on a jewish religious holiday?

[Anonymous No.20274425]

>>20274362
What people do you think were in the temple of worship conducting monetary business? Who do you think he drove out?

[Anonymous No.20274434]

How will we know when Jesus returns?
How will we know when the Antichrist is here?

[Anonymous No.20274463]

>>20274362
Anon you don't think a modern Jew is the same as a two millennia old ethnoreligious group...right?

>>20274434
You'll know when Jesus returns, but the antichrist is gonna require a whole lot more suffering and bad times ahead to show up. We aren't even close.

[Anonymous No.20274556]

>>20274425
you mean joos? like his mother? And his disciples? and himself?

[Anonymous No.20274568]

>>20274463
according to the genetic studies done on dead 2000 year old ones they are

[Anonymous No.20274583]

>>20273697
>Welby is an agenda contributor for the World Economic Forum.[122]
Hmmmmmmmmmmm

[Anonymous No.20274620]

>>20273697
He's right though, sex is just for married couples of any gender.

[Anonymous No.20274720]

Will Catholics continue to pretend that the Vatican's vaccine mandate isn't a gates of hell scenario?

[Anonymous No.20274813]

>>20274337
I laughed

[Anonymous No.20275120]

What did you do when you had a crisis of faith?

[Anonymous No.20275205]

>>20275120
Tell Satan to just fuck right the fuck on off, is what I always do.

[Anonymous No.20275315]

>>20275120
I never did. The existence of God and the truth of Christianity is too blatantly obvious.

[Anonymous No.20275338]

>>20275315
>I never did
Check out Mr. Based McChaddington over here. Never felt a waver, holds a steady line!

[Anonymous No.20275373]

>>20275338
I'm serious. I was in high school when I met my first atheist, and I was genuinely confused by their objections because they seemed so trivial and forced.

[Anonymous No.20275439]

>>20275120
I've posted this before but it feels good to type out again.

I lost basically the whole male role model side of family, my grandfathers, my uncles, my dad, and none of them went..."pretty" if you catch my drift. I pushed through all of it because I had God on my side and didn't stop for a second...well you know what I mean.
I'd never been a "faithful" Christian, that is, I knew in my heart what I felt but I never bothered to check my sinful predispositions and only knew enough about the Bible to argue with libtards on 4chan (terrific use of your time btw) and IRL.
About 6 months ago I woke up in a cold sweat dreading life and death like never before, and couldn't draw on my faith in any capacity.

I felt completely, COMPLETELY, abandoned by God over absolutely nothing. I spent a year watching the absolute superhero that was my father wither to a husk of a man and the only thing that made it possible was his absolute unbreaking faith in God.

"I can watch my dad die painfully but a single cold sweat in the middle of the night and just like that I'm broken?"

It tore me apart. I couldn't have faith in prayer. I couldn't have faith in my life or death. I spent hours upon hours for weeks upon weeks barely sleeping and pleading with God into whatever restless unconsciousness I could for weeks.
I couldn't take it and decided I'd either open my Bible for the first time in my life and find God in it or...something stupid.

I started at the start (as you do) and pushed through the OT, but when I finally made it to the Gospels...
I wept. I wept like a child. I fell to my knees and wept. I read and wept every day for a week.
It wasn't some grand vision, it wasn't some loud miracle.
I found God in His book and He was waiting for me to turn around and see that He had never moved an inch from where I "lost" Him, I had just been so arrogant and blind to think so.

[Anonymous No.20275441]

>>20274620
Here's your (You).

[Anonymous No.20275489]

How many times have you read the Old Testament Genesis — Malachi?
How many times have you read the New Testament Matthew — Revelation?
1 & 3 for me

[Anonymous No.20275492]

Soon to be 2 & 3.

[Anonymous No.20275518]

>>20275439
Man, that is an unironicly miniature epic. Share this more frequently, is my advice and request. I've taken screenshots, too. There are likely many that can connect with and be blessed by it.

[Anonymous No.20275537]

>>20275439

[Anonymous No.20275548]

>>20261250
>If you had in your possession a specimen of saleable, collectible pornography, would you either sell it and donate the money to an appropriate charity, or cast it into the fire as a righteous act of damnatio memoriæ?
I deleted all of my porn last night but then a few hours later I caved in and did some edging which resulting in me cumming without touching it.

LORD, have mercy on me, a sinner.

[Anonymous No.20275573]

>>20275441
Jesus never says that relationships must be solely heterosexual. Homosexuals are subject to the same rules for fornication and adultery and marriage as heterosexuals in Christianity.

[Anonymous No.20275575]

>>20269696
I would unironically love to read these

[Anonymous No.20275587]

>>20275548
>didn't delete the porn at least 10 or 12 days ago
Gross, man, no wonder there are so many gay Catholic priests, the confession booth is their fetish source of erotica from slave to sin degens like (You).

[Anonymous No.20275590]

>>20270529
Judges, 1st and 2nd Samuel, Daniel., Nehemiah, John and James.

[Anonymous No.20275603]

So what's the deal with boaz and jachin?
Also is it north and south or left and right?

[Anonymous No.20275605]

>>20275587
Proud Pharisee

[Anonymous No.20275608]

>>20275573
He said that God first made man and woman so that they could join and become one flesh

[Anonymous No.20275610]

>>20275575
https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=456051397E856CB31C5EBF00C628F80D
Physically, it got put on a 30+% discount back in February, so that would've been the time to get it.

[Anonymous No.20275614]

>>20275608
He said that in response to a question about divorce. There is no reason for him to bring up how this applies to homosexuals in such a context.

[Anonymous No.20275620]

>>20275605
That's just what your mother calls me when we get together for lucrative shoots for Homely Yet Hot Hairy Bitches. We wear period appropriate costumes and everything.

[Anonymous No.20275624]

>>20275620
I came to call sinners and not the righteous to redemption

[Anonymous No.20275629]

>>20275614
Divorce between a man and a woman in a heterosexual relationship for the sole purpose of reproduction.

[Anonymous No.20275649]

No one wants to say how many times they've read the OT & NT?

[Anonymous No.20275687]

>>20275649
I read the Gospels and Acts at least once a year for the last 15 years, listen to the Fr. Hugh Thwaites audio of the Gospels from the Knox translation every week leading up to Christmas, and often read the rest of the NT alongside the liturgical cycle. I've read the entire 46-book OT once but have reread specific books several times, usually Exodus (at least the first half), Joshua, Samuel, Kings, Proverbs, Sirach, and some of the prophets. I also often cycle between different NT translations each year just to see if new insights pop out to me.

[Anonymous No.20275703]

>>20275687
Thanks for the response. The lack of answers is pretty suspect, as if this is all astroturfed.

[Anonymous No.20275715]

>>20275703
I'm reading for the first time! I've just about done the whole NT but the OT is a little daunting...
My goal is to get the patchwork reading done and then just start going through and annotating/organizing my notes so I can start recording my process of understanding God's word.

[Anonymous No.20275743]

>>20275649
42
Don't be pushy with us, Buster.

[Anonymous No.20275754]

>>20275715
Good on you! Maybe you'll find this app useful. I just quizzed myself today Genesis—Numbers and did well. (Airplane mode kills the ads)

[Anonymous No.20275762]

>>20275629
Yes, that was the context.

[Anonymous No.20275771]

>>20275743
>42 times

[Anonymous No.20275945]

What does the Bible mean by thou shalt not lie?

Do white lies count? If you tell a patient with incurable cancer that everything is going to be alright, is it a sin?

In some professions, you have to lie. Are all politicians and spies going to hell?

[Anonymous No.20275972]

Does something count as a lie if it's a joke? Is it a sin to say yo momma wears combat boots when you know she doesn't really?

What if you're in a play and you need to say lines that are true for the character you're playing but false in regards to your own life?

shieeet

[Anonymous No.20276377]

>searching bible translations
>search result takes me to Reddit
>turns out they hate the KJV
This only makes me love it even more

[Anonymous No.20276398]

>>20276377
>Reddit hates the Bible
>hates the only translation they've probably heard of
really makes you think

[Anonymous No.20276432]

Where can I find Roman Catholic liturgy?

[Anonymous No.20276443]

Honestly don't know why people rate the NOA study Bible. Compared to the ESV study Bible it's extremely thin, with only a few footnotes per chapter contianing very little detail. Not that it's actively bad or anything, it's just barely a study Bible at all. I've read non-study Bibles with a similar number of footnotes, whereas the ESV footnotes rival the Bible itself for length and include a far greater spread of cultural, geographic, and historical information.

[Anonymous No.20276492]

>>20276432
a missal

[Anonymous No.20276505]

I started reading the bible for the first time yesterday, I'm only at Genesis. Is the entire book this boring?

[Anonymous No.20276519]

>>20276505
You started at the wrong spot. Start with the New Testament.

[Anonymous No.20276549]

>>20275945
>>20275972
not sure if joke but, God isn't like, a computer or a fallible dude you're trying to fool lol
you KNOW what a lie is, you KNOW when you've LIED, and so does he

[Anonymous No.20276582]

I got interested in eastern orthodoxy through the cringe ortholarpers online, while I think there could be something to the religion itself the whole online grift around it really puts me off completely. Also the fact that it feels tantamount to westerners adopting foreign cultural stuff because foreign = good puts me off too, I actually went to a liturgy in a local russian orthodox church and it was full of really cringe russophile faggots, people with the queen's english accents wearing babushkas and stuff. They might have Russian ancestry but I couldn't get images of white western Buddhist monks out of my mind, if you know what I mean.

I should probably read more theology and study the bible more but I hate how it feels so hard to find authentic Christianity anywhere, what's the point in orthodoxy if every church is completely different and can't even agree fully with the one that's only a mile away from them? Idk bros, feels like a wild goose chase which will only waste my time and leave me completely demoralized

Any advice on what I should do?

[Anonymous No.20276601]

Someone redpill me on what "turn the other cheek" actually means and not what it's clearly been warped into to serve the Liberal beast's means.

I'm fairly sure it does not mean Christians should be meek, or timid, or permit evil. Christianity in modern times has really been twisted quite a bit. It's sad.

[Anonymous No.20276622]

>>20276582
>the whole online grift around it really puts me off completely. Also the fact that it feels tantamount to westerners adopting foreign cultural stuff because foreign = good puts me off too
Your gut is warning you.

>Any advice on what I should do?
Trust your gut.

Go to a Catholic church, experience the Mass. Read the catechism of the Catholic Church on vatican dot va, check out the basic tenets. It's an extremely rational text, presented in plain HTML for free so anyone can access it. If you feel moved by any of it, consider converting. Don't listen to scandalmongers, they make a living pushing fear. The scandals of the Church are real, but so are its sacraments and its being founded by Jesus himself. Prots and orthodox separated themselves from it, not the other way around.

[Anonymous No.20276626]

>>20276601
As I mean it to understand; it’s don’t be passive, but don’t rise to other peoples evil. If someone assaults you you fight back obviously, but it’s more if they disrespect you. I think the common misconception is to just accept people assaulting you because violence bad but that’s not the case

[Anonymous No.20276633]

>>20276601
Real talk brother, these libs have subverted Christ's message. When he tells us to love and forgive our enemies, he actually meant we should hate Jews and women.

[Anonymous No.20276640]

>>20276622
I think there's a difference between a few retards online and the pope being how he is, though. Francis really isn't any different to your average puppet world leader which makes me think that Roman Catholicism has failed

[Anonymous No.20276655]

>>20276640
Nah, that's the wrong way to see it. History is complicated and the history of the second vatican council especially so. Francis is not new. We've had bad popes before. We've had popes involved in politics before, for centuries. The window dressing is new, the hierarchy being subverted and corrupted is not. What matters with regard to comparing Catholicism to other major faiths is the reality of the sacraments, the apostolic succession, and the Eucharist. Catholics are privileged to enjoy the true faith. Orthodox are the result of a mostly political schism a millennia ago. Protestants the same, but they also threw out tradition and adopted a bunch of bad ideas from german autists when they left.

The Church cannot fail, the gates of hell will not prevail over her.

[Anonymous No.20276762]

>>20276601
Jesus said to turn the other cheek knowing full well you only have two.

[Anonymous No.20276765]

>>20276655
>The gates of hell will not prevail over her.

This is all it boils down to for me. There have been many atrocities committed by men in the name of Catholicism, that cannot be denied, but the teachings of the church are true, and there are still many good people in the Church, and we need more good people in it, not to leave because of the actions of sinful men.

[Anonymous No.20276780]

>>20276582
Try an Antiochian or OCA parish, they're less likely to attract the orthoLARPer crowd.

[Anonymous No.20276848]

>>20276582
I have similar thoughts. I'm Anglican but Orthodoxy has a lot of appeal due to its theological purity and traditionalism, however I'm not stupid enough to think I'd fit in with the Greeks or Serbs here so I just stay Anglican. Anglicanism and Orthodoxy are theologically extremely similar anyway, at least until 50 years ago.

>>20276601
Hitting one's inferior with the right hand was a show of dominance, while hitting them with the left hand is just abuse. Jesus was cleverly inviting his followers to force their superiors to consider them equals, or else they'd be simple abusers rather than beneficent patrons.

[Anonymous No.20276892]

>>20276432
Hell

[Anonymous No.20276904]

>>20276582
>so hard to find authentic Christianity anywhere
The one and only place that can ever be found is within yourself.

[Anonymous No.20276911]

>>20276904
I dislike this, it sounds kind of gnostic

[Anonymous No.20276929]

>>20275439
Sorry for your loss anon. I'm glad you answered Christ's call
It's breathtaking when you think about it. Christ died for all of us. No matter how wicked and vile we may be, he loves us, for we are his sheep

[Anonymous No.20277025]

>>20275439
You are a stronger and better human now than you have ever been. It is through your experiences that you've elevated yourself, and Christ loves you all the more for it.

[Anonymous No.20277122]

>>20276765
Massive cope. They're all touching kids and Jesus literally said to kill pedos. Instead the church just moves the pedos somewhere where nobody knows they're pedos so they can keep molesting kids. And tradcats will say it's completely valid to receive communion from pedos (receive it on the tongue!).

"Gates of hell" ends up being a way for Catholics to downplay and cope every shitty disgusting error they've committed.

[Anonymous No.20277136]

"But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea."

Why isn't the Catholic church killing its pedos again? Because they think they can Jew God with their epic keys to heaven?

>Noooo, it's not a gates of hell, it's never a gates of hell!

[Anonymous No.20277152]

It were better for him that a millstone were hung about his neck and he cast into the sea, than that he should cause one of these little ones to fall.

[Anonymous No.20277168]

>>20277122
>They're all touching kids
That’s untrue. Like I said, there are many good men and women in the Catholic Church that abhor what has occurred with the sexual abuse perpetrated by those given power in the church.
What I do agree with you on is that pedophiles should be dealt with in the most severe fashion.
An aspect often overlooked is that the majority of victims being young boys, I would add that we are dealing with a homosexual as well as pedophilic problem in the church, and we have had some terrible Popes and bishops that simply have not done enough to rid the church of this menace.
Still doesn’t mean the teachings are false though.
Also, it is still valid to receive communion from sinners, because we are all sinners. Of course many people including myself would decline it from a known pedophile, but how do you know a pedophile except from when the truth is already out?
You’re angry, and you should be.

[Anonymous No.20277230]

>>20277168
I don't understand why the catholic church doesn't allow clergy to marry
Paul literally writes about them being married in 1 Timothy
I feel like it would help eliminate this issue to a large degree because someone who has a wife and kids is less apt to be gay and less apt to do vile things to children

[Anonymous No.20277242]

>>20277230
I was watching a Bishop Barron podcast and he said that the church look favourably upon non-married clergy, but it isn’t essential.
If you’re not married/don’t have children, naturally you can devote more time to God, the Church and it’s mission.
But he says that he’s worked with many married clergy (those who were married and or had children before they became a priest)
I think it takes a particular kind of man to abstain from sex and marriage, it can be done, but is not easy. Especially today with so many alluring ways to sin.

[Anonymous No.20277252]

>>20277242
>Barron
he seems a good guy but namedrops nouvelle theologie cretins far too often for my taste

[Anonymous No.20277256]

>>20277242
I wouldn't think it favorable to have clergy who aren't married
Not that married people are perfect by an stretch but as Paul said you can examine how they handle their family and inform you on how they might handle a church
I can see the benefit of having someone who has more time to give to God. Problem is as stated previously you have less to go off of with them, and they may very well have unnatural desires

[Anonymous No.20277281]

Can someone explain to me my feelings?

I want to be a Christian, but I am not. I deeply admire Christianity and have believed for many years now that God exists. However, I often find myself rationalizing my problems through a scientific lens rather than a spiritual kne. I feel that the world already has so many flaws with it that you don't need literal demons walking around to explain it.

Is this a problem?

[Anonymous No.20277283]

>>20277152
First seek the Kingdom

[Anonymous No.20277285]

>>20277252
I like the philosophical slant he has for Catholic apologetics, but yeah the name dropping can get a bit much sometimes, though I think he does it to point people to other interesting works. I think he’s basically come out and said he’s a Thomist before, also.
>>20277256
Very much a double edged sword, I agree. I don’t know what the answer would be other than having severe repercussions (physically) for those found guilty of abuse and still require celibate clergy or have married priests that may not have the time/devotion for church services.

[Anonymous No.20277290]

Does anyone else get turned on reading Song of Solomon?

[Anonymous No.20277316]

I don't like Robert Barron. He seems like a homo. He also mixes in too much normie liberal humanist stuff in with the Bible, such as saying that Genesis is only a metaphor and evolution is real.

[Anonymous No.20277324]

>>20277285
>double edged sword
Yeah there is no right answer. Abuse of children exists unfortunately in pretty much every denomination to some extent regardless of marital status of its officers.

[Anonymous No.20277334]

>>20277316
>and evolution is real.
When people say they think God used evolution, i wonder then at what point did he give man a soul. Did he have it as a singular celled organism, as an ape, or was it when he finally evolved into a home sapien?

[Anonymous No.20277352]

I am not Orthodox but I like Jay Dyer desu anons. He has a lot of knowledge on many topics.

[Anonymous No.20277354]

>>20277285
>said he’s a Thomist before, also.
yeah, he has. many times. he considers St. Thomas Aquinas to have helped bring him into the priesthood, because thomism fits his analytical brain. still, those nouvelle theologie guys were very much the opposite of thomists and they wanted to see people who pushed thomist ideas like garrigou-lagrange replaced with their own innovations. people like hans kung, von balthasar, de chardin, karl rahner. all barron favorites, all vatican 2 liturgical usurpers and some of them heretics.

>>20277316
>He seems like a homo.
yeah, i get this vibe too. he hides it well.

>Genesis is only a metaphor
I wouldn't say its a metaphor but he is correct it is not to be taken literally.

[Anonymous No.20277368]

>>20277354
I think that Thomism is wrong. Also it explains why Roman Catholics believe in evolution because they start with the Thomistic presupposition that there was death before the fall, which is impossible. Also Genesis is literal.

[Anonymous No.20277374]

>>20277368
>Genesis is literal.
ok retard. explain how a literal reading of Genesis can be logically coherent with two conflicting creation narratives. you can't.

>I think that Thomism is wrong.
cool so im talking to a retard protestant. goodbye.

[Anonymous No.20277380]

>>20277374
>two conflicting creation narratives
Not him but I don't see where you get conflicting creation narratives
Are you referring to the initial broad brush strokes in chapter 1 and then the more detailed one later?

[Anonymous No.20277408]

https://youtu.be/Hd2uICRds2w
https://youtu.be/bRCmZhWdyDE

[Anonymous No.20277418]

>>20277380
>Not him but I don't see where you get conflicting
Maybe you should try reading it again.

[Anonymous No.20277423]

>>20277418
I have many times. Are you referring to a specific part of the order of creation?

[Anonymous No.20277430]

Question for catholics
In your opinion
>what is the most heretical Protestant denomination
>what is the least heretical Protestant denomination
Pic unrelated

[Anonymous No.20277468]

>>20277430
>>what is the most heretical Protestant denomination
Easy. Church of Latter Day Saints. Not them? Probably Baptists. Prosperity gospel swindlers like joel osteen and creflo dollar don't even count as protestant, they're just damned.

>what is the least heretical Protestant denomination
Anglicans.

[Anonymous No.20277477]

>>20277468
Most Baptists are conservative in regards to theology.

[Anonymous No.20277481]

>>20277468
>Probably Baptists
Why? Solely because of certain prosperity gospelers or something else?
>Anglican
I assume because it's basically just the catholic church of England

[Anonymous No.20277485]

>>20277468
>>20277481
Anglicans are easily the most liberal and cucked of any protestant group.

[Anonymous No.20277491]

>>20277468
>joel osteen
He is friends with the Satanic rapper known as Lil Nas X.
>>20277481
Most Baptists have nothing to do with prosperity gospel and regard Joel Olsteen as an evil con man and false teacher.

[Anonymous No.20277506]

>>20276848
>its theological purity and traditionalism
I feel guilty about not taking orthodoxy seriously enough because simply finding out about it and learning more kind of renewed my faith in general, I was feeling upset about the state of the world, anglicanism and catholicism so when I realised that at least some places out there were still trying to follow an authentic form of Christianity it really uplifted my mood and got me out of a depression, basically.

Beside that this was at the time when the whole world was still 'locked down', and orthodox Christians were the only ones speaking any sense and helped me stay sane by making me remember I wasn't the only one seeing things for what they were

So yeah I feel bad that I kind of just used orthodoxy as a cope when the world was looking scary and now that it's normal I'm just back to my old agnostic self, I feel like I have a responsibility to become a Christian even if I'm not into theology or the bible much at all, never have been really

sorry for the blogpost

[Anonymous No.20277513]

>>20277481
>Why?
Because of the variety of their heresies and how at odds they are with the spirit of the gospel. Prosperity gospel, snake handling, screaming and shouting and calling it the Holy Spirit, fainting and carrying on. It's a uniquely American heresy that nobody in the protestant anglosphere that came with them has ever had the theological understanding to correct.

>I assume because
No, because of all the schismatics they have the most things in common with Catholicism, in particular the Eucharist. Calvin and Luther's bad ideas are still around but not to the extent of other protestants.

>>20277477
No.

[Anonymous No.20277519]

>>20277506
Orthodox are the only ones I saw speaking out against the so-called "vaccine".
What I saw from Catholics was bowing down to the vaccine agenda and calling people crazy conspiracy theorists for not getting it.

[Anonymous No.20277543]

>>20277513
>Prosperity gospel, snake handling, screaming and shouting and calling it the Holy Spirit, fainting and carrying on.
All of these things are fringe groups and not what normal Baptists do. You really have no idea what the typical Baptist church is like.

[Anonymous No.20277545]

>>20277513
>Prosperity gospel, snake handling, screaming and shouting and calling it the Holy Spirit, fainting and carrying on
I've attended many Baptist churches. There's been screaming shouting, and attributing some of it to the spirit.
But I have not been to one with prosperity gospel, snake handling, or fainting
Snake handling I think is the least prevalent of these since it's almost always a tiny church in Appalachia
But of course as Paul notes in Romans Whatever you do just be sure you do it of God

[Anonymous No.20277546]

>>20277519
Catholics are boomer congregations. The vaccine messaging from the bishops was bad, absolutely, and denial of the sacraments was worse. A real scandal that to this day has not received the attention it deserved. But bishops are not the whole of the church, I'm sure the septuagenarian laity gave their input to the clergy.

[Anonymous No.20277552]

>>20277545
>I've attended many Baptist churches. There's been screaming shouting, and attributing some of it to the spirit.
I have been in Baptist churches my whole life and never seen this.

[Anonymous No.20277561]

>>20277552
It's not a thing where they're shouting in tongues or they attribute getting loud during their sermon to the spirit. It's more so mentioned when someone gets really emotional, or if the pastor quite literally gets off their planned sermon and starts preaching something else, or if a church member has something on their heart they wanna say during prayer requests
These were missionary baptist churches, not SBC

[Anonymous No.20277565]

>>20277506
Go to church, anon.

[Anonymous No.20277588]

>And having received an answer in sleep that they should not return to Herod, they went back another way into their country.
how did Matthew know?

[Anonymous No.20277599]

>>20277561
The only thing I have seen is the pastor makes a strong point during the sermon and an old person in the congregation says "Amen"

[Anonymous No.20277653]

Is it okay for a Christian to be antisemitic/white nationalist?

[Anonymous No.20277670]

>>20277653
No. Jesus was Jewish and typically WN’s worship their race over everything else. Be thankful God blessed you that you were born white, but do not hate other races.

[Anonymous No.20277683]

New thread, freshly baked

>>20277664

[Anonymous No.20277749]

>>20277565
Yeah I know I should, I don't know why I've been putting it off so much. Maybe it's because I barely read anything to do with the bible or theology

[Anonymous No.20277757]

>>20277670
Didn't Jesus hate the "synagogue of Satan"?

[Anonymous No.20277967]

>>20277653
Yes. Christianity has a long history with antisemitism and if you want to sit around and foster white identity or whatever, then sure go ahead.

[Anonymous No.20278043]

>>20277599
Yeah at some Baptist churches it's just that.
It varies.
Baptists are hard to pin cause they are so apt to try and be as independent as possible

[Anonymous No.20279054]

>>20274556
Anon don't bother we all know jesus was aryan chad.

[Anonymous No.20279063]

>>20276601
>Christianity in modern times has really been twisted quite a bit. It's sad.
Maybe God should update it for us zoomers.

[Anonymous No.20279091]

Someone explain to me why there so many different sects of christianity each seeming contradicting each other. Why is christianity so complex?

[Anonymous No.20279101]

>>20279091
Research the history of the Septuagint translation. Ptolemy(?) invaded, captured some Hebrews, split them up and said "write your holy books". When they were done, they miraculously all matched. A miracle. In 400 A.D., Masoretes told Jerome the miracle was a lie. Rewrote the Bible using Masoretic Texts, the Bible became the Vulgate. Today, Catholics and Orthdox and JIDF defend the Septuagint. It makes no sense.

But KJV-onlyists, Baptists, etc, reject the Septuagint, and use ONLY the Masoretic.

[Anonymous No.20279109]