/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.20202886]

The main idea behind this book is that women are not oppressed by men but rather control men to their advantage.

The book argues that, contrary to common feminist and women's rights rhetoric, women in industrialized cultures are not oppressed, but rather exploit a well-established system of manipulating men.

Vilar writes, "Men have been trained and conditioned by women, not unlike the way Pavlov conditioned his dogs, into becoming their slaves. As compensation for their labours men are given periodic use of a woman's vagina." The book contends that young boys are encouraged to associate their masculinity with their ability to be sexually intimate with a woman, and that a woman can control a man by socially empowering herself to be the gate-keeper to his sense of masculinity. Vilar states that this has been going on for some time.

The author says that social definitions and norms, such as the idea that women are weak, are constructed by women with their needs in mind. Vilar explains how it works: if women are viewed as weak, less is expected of them; and therefore they are given more leeway in society than men. Vilar states that women are generally "gold diggers" who attempt to extract money and other material resources from men. One means by which women control men to effect this transfer of resources is praise. Women dole out praise to men only when their needs are met in some way.

Another means of manipulation is the calculated use of emotional displays. Vilar claims that women can control their emotional reactions whereas men cannot, and that women create overly-dramatized emotional reactions to get their way: they "blackmail" men emotionally. Women also use sex as a tool of manipulation and control but also traditional concepts of love and romance, which are seen more positively than sex, to control men's sexual lives. Vilar writes that men gain nothing from marriage and that women coerce them into it under the pretense that it fulfills their romantic desires.

The book closes with Vilar stating that it would be difficult to change the situation by appealing to women, as women are unsympathetic to the plight of men, and unwilling to give up their comfortable position in society. It is up to men to see past the deception and emotional blackmail and subject it to open criticism before any meaningful changes can occur.

[Anonymous No.20202910]

One man learns, 50 boys are born fir single mommies

[Anonymous No.20202927]

>>20202886
but i love my gf

[Anonymous No.20202944]

>>20202927
Post her feet

[Anonymous No.20202951]

>>20202886
Should have read this before I ended up in in exploitative and cucked relationship for 3 years, but at least I’m aware of the vaginal jew now and won’t fall for it again. It’s hard to imagine that those seemingly lovable creatures are in fact ruthless manipulators playing you like a fiddle until you experience their devilry firsthand.

[Anonymous No.20202967]

>>20202951
Even if you read it before, you would probably think that your case was different and it wasn't happening to you, so don't think to much about it.

[Anonymous No.20202968]

>>20202886
Have sex, incel.

[Anonymous No.20202975]

>>20202967
Yes, you’re right.

[Anonymous No.20202992]

>>20202886
how do i coerce a girl into accepting a totally patriarchical relationship? or rather, what are the qualifications necessary for this? i am already planning to start practices for self mastery (probably basic buddhism) as well as join the military (not US)

[Anonymous No.20203002]

>>20202886
When your thread dies its rude to repost it.

[Anonymous No.20203006]

it's normal, that's what women are supposed to do
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hcXASW4v8R8

[Anonymous No.20203010]

>>20202951
https://youtu.be/mhiQ6P9T3vE?t=5

don't go mgtow tho

[Anonymous No.20203011]

>>20202886
>The book contends that young boys are encouraged to associate their masculinity with their ability to be sexually intimate with a woman, and that a woman can control a man by socially empowering herself to be the gate-keeper to his sense of masculinity.
Pure fax

Most men nowadays are little bitches desperate for female validation, their entire existence revolves around pussy. Look what happens the moment you're not worshipping women, the go-to insult of the simp, is always something along the lines of "i bet you can't have sex, incel". The simp projects his own insecurities in this: Men whose lives revolve around pussy have no self-esteem of their own, they only have any sense of self-worth when they're being validated by women, thus they assume all other men are the same way, and that to tell another man he doesn't/can't get laid is the ultimate insult.

To the simp, whose entire motivation for living is already consumed by his porn addiction and thirst for female validation, it's entirely inconceivable that there are men out there who live for any purpose but pussy, to even admit such a thing is possible would be a huge blow to his ego, as he'd be faced with the reality of his own pathetic subservience. A man who appears to be in control of his primal nature CANNOT be sincere and healthy, there must be something wrong with him: He must be low T, he must be misogynistic, he must be unattractive, anything but admitting that perhaps there is anything to life outside cooming.

I don't hate women, but i sure do hate simps.

[Anonymous No.20203027]

>>20202951
>the vaginal jew

[Anonymous No.20203031]

>>20203011
Based.

[Anonymous No.20203046]

>>20202944
she is disgusted by all feet stuff

[Anonymous No.20203050]

Any ancient books about the true nature of female?

[Anonymous No.20203067]

[Anonymous No.20203095]

>>20202886
>>20203011
Otto Weininger said something similar.
>>20202992
You don't, first of all patriarchy is usually done for the favor of women, to protect and shield them. Second, there's no reason for women to accept a situation where they have less power.

[Anonymous No.20203122]

>>20203027
Vilar is Jewish

[Anonymous No.20203143]

>>20202886
>Men have been trained and conditioned by women, not unlike the way Pavlov conditioned his dogs, into becoming their slaves. As compensation for their labours men are given periodic use of a woman's vagina
I can't stand this cynicism. Whatever issues there are in the relations between the sexes in the modern day, you cannot simply boil down the whole history of male-female love to a cynical, material self-interest on the part of women. It's just an obviously absurd and simplistic analysis.

[Anonymous No.20203160]

>>20203050
Read about Lilith and the Harlot of Babylon.

[Anonymous No.20203213]

>>20202886
Obviously, men in charge of everything by design, but they desire women, therefore women control men. That's why domestic abuse and martial 'rape' shouldn't be illegal, because it balances the scales. Even women know that, which is why they go back to abusive men. They know they deserve to get hit sometimes, they know they're withholding sex on purpose and so on.

[Anonymous No.20203223]

>>20202968
>incel
"My only value is what is between my legs, and if I as much think rationally, I'll accuse you of rape."

[Anonymous No.20203226]

>>20203010
Why should men not seek the benefits of weather or not a marriage is right for them?

[Anonymous No.20203235]

>>20203143
Yeah, cause men are the greatest enforcers. Look at the board culture right now. Say anything negative about women = have sex. That's exactly what Vilar is describing. White knighting, male feminists, simps, etc. The lock and key analogy is exactly what she's describing.

[Anonymous No.20203241]

>>20202886
>implying women are capable of such large scale, long term efforts
Women get easy mode because most men become retarded when pussy is nearby, simple as.

[Anonymous No.20203242]

>>20203235
I'll be reading it soon, anything I should know before diving in?

[Anonymous No.20203248]

>>20202886
A interesting idea.

But pretty simple solution.

Become gay.

[Anonymous No.20203251]

>>20203248

[Anonymous No.20203259]

>>20203242
I haven't even read it, you can figure this out on your own of course. Like the lock and key thing, obviously if it's bad for women to be promiscuous then it can't simultaneously be a virtue for men to be promiscuous and make sluts out of as many women as possible. Our culture is topsy turvy with regards to this, and it's fuelled simply by male enslavement to lust. It's men enforcing the female standards Vilar is describing. You don't really need to understand much else because everything stems from that.

[Anonymous No.20203439]

>>20203259
>it can't simultaneously be a virtue for men to be promiscuous and make sluts out of as many women as possible.

Holy shit, how is it that I have never seen this major flaw in that analogy? That completely turns that stupid metaphor into a paradox lol. My mind has actually been blown by this.

I subscribed to that form of thought in my early 20s until finally getting a decent enough girlfriend to make me realize that it wasn’t sexual conquest that I sought, but a meaningfully intimate connection with someone I could trust. The relationship didn’t last but it completely validated all of the suspicions I had about what a load of BULLSHIT the peer pressure associated with being promiscuous really is. A friend of mine and I were actually discussing this at length some time ago, and although he and I are [sort of] on the same page, he’s not convinced that, universally, men and women who engage in promiscuity are damaged people who are actively hurting themselves.

Anyway— sorry for rambling, it’s just that I can’t believe I never saw what an obvious paradox that “lock and key” shit really is. Thanks for that, anon. Glad I browsed /lit/ today

[Anonymous No.20203492]

>>20202886
>Another means of manipulation is the calculated use of emotional displays. Vilar claims that women can control their emotional reactions whereas men cannot
It’s literally the opposite. Women are more emotional then men. Not always a bad thing but true nonetheless
>Vilar writes that men gain nothing from marriage and that women coerce them into it under the pretense that it fulfills their romantic desires.
Does it not thought? You gain a lover for life and a family. Even if I’m wrong this is definitely an extremely American way of looking at things. There’s definitely gains in marriage. In other societies the women are supposed to be the perfect housewives and such and such. Produce and care for many children.

[Anonymous No.20203498]

>>20203050
All of them?

[Anonymous No.20203507]

>>20203492
I agree with this. Even if a lot of what the OP points out seems pretty legit, the idea that men gain nothing in marriage is pretty absurd. It’s value transcends time and culture; only someone truly bitter would subscribe to this idea.

[Anonymous No.20203536]

>>20203439
I think it got mixed up together with old instincts to "sow your wild oats" or have a harem or many wives. Same reason modern women do a lot of self destructive things they do, like obsesessively attention whoring, there's old instincts at play that were beneficial a long time ago or can be. It's good to have a choice of many partners if you choose the best one. It's good to breed lots of women if you're capable of supporting them all and keeping the family stable. But who is capable of doing that? We're not in the stone age. There's just a thousand ways it could go wrong, and almost any of them have to do with overmastering desire.

[Anonymous No.20203537]

>>20202886
>men gain nothing from marriage
laughably wrong, don't marry someone useless

[Anonymous No.20203541]

>“What a misfortune to be a woman! And yet, the worst misfortune is not to understand what a misfortune it is.”
Imagine him studying evolutionary psychology and biology!

[Anonymous No.20203564]

>>20203537
>laughably wrong
Gain what then?
Don't give them that advice if you're not a westerner. It's bad for them.

[Anonymous No.20203609]

>>20203160
Based Rev. 17
>>20203498
Yes, and a guide would help

[Anonymous No.20203676]

>>20203492
>Women are more emotional then men.
You're an idiot who doesn't pay attention. When a woman is outraged emotionally, she does so with sudden provocation (and I want to emphasize that word in particular). When a woman has perfect cause to spark up in outrage, she remains silent.

[Anonymous No.20203681]

>>20203248
>Become gay.
Men are even more insufferable to be around than women.

[Anonymous No.20203696]

>>20203681
shush faggot, you're not a man that's why you feel repulsed because you cannot take banter since you're effeminate.

[Anonymous No.20203711]

>>20203696
To be fair, on this website it’s hard to know when someone is being ironic about becoming a homosexual.

[Anonymous No.20203715]

>>20203696
And you're a pederast incel.

[Anonymous No.20203724]

>>20203696
>my idea of manliness is performatives

[Anonymous No.20203736]

Is there any way to get a physical copy of this book...? Swear to god, seems like it's nowhere. Also is the same anon making these threads? I've seen like 3 or 4 about them lately.

[Anonymous No.20203758]

>>20203711
Everything is ironic. Any one who takes anything from here blindly, is autistic.

>>20203715
Not into poo... thanks
It's easy and normal to separate between "sexual desires" and camaraderie. You can't distinguish between the two because , as I said, you're effeminates, you see men as "sexual targets" but your instincts are still of males. That's how you get these mixed feeling. Clean your lenses faggot.

[Anonymous No.20203769]

>>20202910
>50 boys are born fir single mommies
And that need not be a bad thing. For it is this precise demographic which has the decision in their hands; whether they want stagnation in inter-sexual-political matters, or much needed CHANGE.
Think of how powerful the apu-pepe meme character (pic related) has become in recent years; he embodies the jester-infant, the clown child. Others have merely adopted female insanity, he was molded in it, formed by it... immunized to it? Will he rise? Or perish like a dog?

[Anonymous No.20203770]

>>20203724
>performatives
if it's homo, then no.

[Anonymous No.20203781]

>>20203758
You will never come close to resembling the virtue you tout.

You are the simulacrum of a "real manly man", the glasses wearing basedboy on tiktok immersed deeply in the "subculture" of BBQ grilling.

You're just a pathetic faggot.

[Anonymous No.20203788]

>>20203609
There's no "sexist statements about women" /lit/ chart. Read Plato's Republic. Or Aristotle's Politics III - all variations of the same thing. (Aristotle also said only fair-skinned women could orgasm kek) Cicero on women's place in politics in The Laws. Aquinas. Goethe. Mind you, these philosophers mostly spoke of women in an objective manner of mild scorn as opposed to Schopie being the obvious outlier. It's interesting to see how this is opposed to today's rhetoric fueled by seething at women's liberation manifesting itself in painfully extreme ways due to dating apps, social media, etc. They knew the nature of women, but never saw a world where they never saw a post-60's world could exert full control in almost every domain.

[Anonymous No.20203791]

>>20203736
It's been out of print for decades. You can probably get an expensive used copy from Amazon.

[Anonymous No.20203795]

>>20203711
Poe's Law

[Anonymous No.20203801]

>>20203781
this >>20203781 is (You)
larp harder Anonita

[Anonymous No.20203824]

>>20202992
Impossible in current year unless you live somewhere disconnected from the outside world

[Anonymous No.20203848]

>>20202886
>>20202886
This misses the point of the text. Villar was a feminist and she was arguing that women fully participating equally in the workforce and economy as equals to men would be to the benefit of men by reducing the need of women to manipulate resources out of them. Why does everyone totally ignore that part of her thesis?

[Anonymous No.20203895]

>>20203848
That’s still pretty idealistic thinking. Women’s preference in men doesn’t change just because they’re in the workforce— they still are much more statistically likely to favor a partner of either similar or higher social rank than men, who are statistically much, MUCH less picky about social rank.

This ironically makes it more difficult for women with high level careers to find ideal mates, as their pool of ideal candidates has diminished whereas the high level male’s pool has remained largely the same, if not grown due to his renowned status.

Thus, women will still be forced to compete bitterly for an ideal mate, and the same fundamental tactics of resource hoarding as before will still be utilized but in different ways.

[Anonymous No.20203907]

>>20203848
>women fully participating equally in the workforce and economy as equals to men would be to the benefit of men
wow! that's stupid and short-sighted

[Anonymous No.20203936]

>>20203895
Oh man, women will be forced to date DOWN, oh the humanity!

[Anonymous No.20203982]

Why do you keep arguing about women, you losers?

[Anonymous No.20203995]

>>20203936
I don’t think they’ll do it, anon, at least not without putting up one hell of a fight. It goes against their nature to date down. Hell, we Westerners are living in a society where men and women are pretty much treated as equals and yet our women STILL refuse to date down.

[Anonymous No.20204007]

>>20203995
>we Westerners

[Anonymous No.20204470]

What's the difference between this book and the polygamous sex? Is there anything in here that isn't in the polygamous sex?

[Anonymous No.20204551]

>>20202951
>It’s hard to imagine that those seemingly lovable creatures are in fact ruthless manipulators playing you like a fiddle until you experience their devilry firsthand.
Really? All I had to do was pay attention to my parents while I was growing up

[Anonymous No.20204631]

>>20203259
>>20203439
>>20203536
>. Like the lock and key thing, obviously if it's bad for women to be promiscuous then it can't simultaneously be a virtue for men to be promiscuous and make sluts out of as many women as possible.
What? Yes it can. There is nothing paradoxical about it. I worry for you if someone just saying something randomly and doesn't even bother to explain his false statement blows your mind...
>then it can't simultaneously
Why not? I mean the lock and key analogy works perfectly here. A good key opens many locks and a good lock can't be opened by many keys. It's literally fucking perfect. There is no flaw in the analogy and there's nothing paradoxical about it.
You didn't even say how it was a paradox or anything.

It's only a paradox if you for some dumb reason believe that every key in the world is be a good key and that every lock in the world should be good one. The analogy does not presuppose that because it's impossible and dumb and doesn't apply at anytime. It presupposes that there is a battle of the sexes (which there is) and that what is good for one sex is not good for the other.

[Anonymous No.20204860]

>>20204631
>it can't simultaneously be a virtue for men to be promiscuous and make sluts out of as many women as possible.

That is the paradox-- keys that actively seek to open as many locks as possible actively contribute to the problem of lowering the value of locks. You cannot rightly make the claim that the key is virtuous if it is simultaneously contributing to the problem. It's a paradox.

If you look at it from a purely functional perspective, then yes, a lock that can be opened by any key is rubbish whereas a key that can open any lock is the holy grail of keys. Looking at human sexuality through this binary lens, however, is fucking retarded because our sexual behavior is not strictly dictated by the functional effectiveness of whether a penis will fit into a vagina. All this analogy does is perpetuate the idea that a promiscuous male is virtuous, when, in fact, he is not. unless he decides to stick with her. Unless he decides to stick with her, then he becomes the very thing that is responsible for decreasing that female's value as a mate.

[Anonymous No.20205376]

most americans don´t know but most argies girls are sluts, they´re more promiscous than any american girl you´ll ever meet, so makes sense than a feminist woman from argentina was the one who published this type of book, as some sort of attonement for her sins

[Anonymous No.20205482]

>>20203226
is it right or wrong for them?

[Anonymous No.20206150]

>>20202992
why do you want to provide for women free of charge? it's retarded
and buddhism shits on women all the time

[Anonymous No.20207590]

>>20202886
men are regimented and expected from both in person and legally; while pretty much all female regimentation is gone; even the smallest things can be considered abuse and lets a woman lay hands on a man, simps to be aggro, or utterly witch hunt a man, whereas a woman can get away with a lot and get less accountability even when she is punished.

[Anonymous No.20207610]

>>20207590
Throughout history, women were only expected not to be whores and respect men. Somehow they've managed to gain even more benefits and protection than ever, but are also encouraged to whore themselves out while hating men. What's the point of interacting with the average western woman nowadays? She's a pampered histrionic prostitute with complete control in any situation.

[Anonymous No.20209214]

>>20202968
As a man going through divorce, this is absolutely true. Only thing I can quibble with is that women are emotionally in control. If someone is use to getting their way is suddenly told no, they lose composure quickly.

[Anonymous No.20209273]

>>20203050
Hesiod, Works and Days. 7th century BC

[Anonymous No.20209277]

>>20203492
>>20203507
What she's saying is that women, in being more emotional, and having a greater understanding of emotions and of social interactions, have a greater faculty to employ their emotions like tools for the purpose of manipulating others, such as by crying for sympathy when they're not in fact as sad or pitiable as they appear.
>>20204631
The analogy makes sense but it's communicating a falsehood, and men fail to see through it because it affirms something they want to believe. I think I explained it well enough in one of the posts you're replying to.

[Anonymous No.20209908]

>>20203498
Basically this. It's only up until recently that they've tried (and somewhat succeeded) in shifting the public point of view towards women, practically every man who ever wrote about women before pointed to their true, vile nature. I mean it's really astonishing how many philosophers alone thought about them this way.

[Anonymous No.20210027]

>>20202886
the problem with this book, although it is a brave and good book, is that it does not give a solution that can be enacted by man.
What else do we want to do with the truth except make it an armament for us.
So what do you do, earn money and have sex tourism? The reality is that the lie is so great it is un-maskable.

[Anonymous No.20210039]

>>20203122
>Jewish
genuinely at least half of all great writers ever to have lived were self-hating jews.

[Anonymous No.20210106]

>>20210027
You have to go down the red pill rabbit hole.

You don't need the rest of society to get on board with this in order for you to personally benefit.

[Anonymous No.20210116]

>>20210106
All of redpill advice funnels into this
>women aren't worth the trouble
and so you ignore women, what do you have now to live a happy life when everyone else is funnelling cash to the women you now avoid?
Get a job, make money and die?
It's bleak.

[Anonymous No.20210124]

>>20210027
>>20210027
Its part of a trilogy
the manipulated man is the how
The polygamous sex is the why and "how i guess"
And the last book is the solution, which never got translated and published in the west because the solution is apparently something akin to communism (take with a grain of salt, i read that on a blog somewhere back when i first read this)
Its Das Ende Der Dressur

Maybe someone who knows german can read it and provide a good summary for us. I couldnt find one online. All i know is that a 4 day work week is one part of the solution apparently

[Anonymous No.20210128]

>>20210116
The redpill is more like an autistic version of the old boomer memes like "treat em mean to keep em keen". It's like a guide to being a rake

[Anonymous No.20210140]

>>20210116
It's really not. I hate to be the "have sex" guy but when you become a high value man you won't be able to keep them off you. It's not just about money either.

1. Do whatever you need to do in order to become that high value men. Get money, get in shape, or simply move to the country whose women you're attracted to.

2. Plate long-term relationship candidates.

3. If you want monogamy then choose the best plate. If she starts acting up then give her an ultimatum. She'll realize she fucked up and she's 100% yours, or you move on to the next one until you find your ideal subservient girl.

[Anonymous No.20210152]

>>20210140
still does not solve the woman question.
So much work and you think you are immune to women's bullshit now?
Men are just too afraid to tell themselves that it's not worth it anymore, because then their false idols would be gone.

[Anonymous No.20210176]

>>20210152
>and you think you are immune to women's bullshit now?
Mostly, yeah. You need to learn how women behave. Once you understand why they behave the way they do it doesn't really faze you anymore. Simply toss them out the window if they start acting up.

Most men are sexless losers that will do anything for a wet hole, so once you get out of that scarcity mentality your quality of life with women will improve immensely.

I accept that most women are whores, and I have fun with them, but once I find one that's worth being monogamous with I'll stop engaging in my manwore behavior.

[Anonymous No.20210179]

>>20203143
Idk man, if you look at it in the concept of the raw human it doesn't seem that insane.
>Women are programmed to spread their genes with the best candidate
>Multiple options available
> Arbitrary constrictions on what makes an ideal partner due to their upbringing and societies expectations
Factor in mobile phone and social media making everyone more reactive to stimulus, it's not hard to see how something could snowball, especially in the modern sense

[Anonymous No.20210207]

>>20203143
The problem I have with the argument is the assumption that self-interest is purely calculated and exploitative. There's gray areas between whole-sale exploiting another person v.s two people each having something the other person wants and using that to their advantage. Self-interest can be mutually beneficial.
Or the sympathetic self-interest that one feels towards something you view as an extension of yourself. My cat gets free food and attention from me. So it could be said cats use humans, but clearly most pet owners get something out of the relation too; the affection of the animal.

[Anonymous No.20210224]

>>20203492
>Women are more emotional then men. Not always a bad thing but true nonetheless
In some ways but not in others. Men imo are more impulsive and in general have worse self-control.
I read the other day a study on this. They had 12 year olds play a game where the goal was to pump a balloon up, & more pumps gets more points but too many would blow up the balloon gaining nothing. The girls were more cautious & tried to maximize the score. Whereas the boys didnt give a shit and would just purposively explode the balloon again and again. lmao

[Anonymous No.20210285]

Ideological dribble.
The state literally extracts 25%+ of everything the man makes. The state then extracts registration and licensing fees for a car to navigate the badly designed cities. Then employment is at will, so he can be fired if he doesn't meet any unreasonable demands from his boss. Manufacturing jobs were outsourced because workers got fed up with the bullshit, suffering, and poverty and tried to unionize.

BUT THE REAL FUCKING ISSUE is the man's interpersonal relationships? If ONLY he didn't have a set of tits there to eat dinner with in his crappy apartment.

[Anonymous No.20210910]

>>20210285
This, its amazing how much people whine about women and lack of relationships, when there is much bigger issues.

[Anonymous No.20210963]

See this post anons?
This is why you never reason with women and effeminate males... cognitive dissonance everywhere, denial and rejection of accountability and responsibility
>"desu it's not women's fault..."
>"desu , men are more..."
>"desu, men too..."
>"not all women like that"
Don't reason with bitches, use them.
Don't try reason with effeminate bitches, beat them.

[Anonymous No.20211480]

>>20210124
German speaker here, I just skimmed it, my verdict: highly cringe. A mix between sex-crazed wine aunt and full-on globohomo shit. A striking quote which I feel gives a good gist on her shtick pretty well
>durch
Beschneidung der Einkommen dem männlichen Beschützer engere
Grenzen setz[en] (setting limits to [the traditional role of] the male protector by limiting attainable income)
which is verging on literal communism. If anyone ever decided to implement this society, Maoian horrors would be sure to happen. And how does she want to limit attainable income? She offers no actionable steps on how she intends to enforce her part time work week mandate. She basically wants to nerf men, showing an utter disregard of "Greater Male Variability" or male exceptionalism, which is what makes males males, and will always compel them to transgress this type of externally imposed stifling.
Especially hilarious is the barely veiled seething at men wanting younger women.
It's all about SEX SEXSEX, LOVE LOVE LOVE. 70yr old coomer woman seething no one loves or bangs her. I feel dirty after reading it.
tdlr; Please spare yourself the lecture. No one should be reading this drivel

[Anonymous No.20211849]

>>20209273
Any links

[Anonymous No.20212062]

>>20211480
>Please spare yourself the lecture
I would've read it if a man wrote it

[Anonymous No.20212095]

>>20202886
Reminder, prior to birth control women were more conservative than men.

[Anonymous No.20212110]

>>20212095
>more than men
>>20210963

[Anonymous No.20212185]

>>20203936
They won't, this is why you end up with cat moms or lawyer single moms who had a one night stand and raised a kid alone.

>>20204860
>You cannot rightly make the claim that the key is virtuous if it is simultaneously contributing to the problem. It's a paradox.
You cannot rightly make the claim that an eagle is virtuous when it catches many rabbits for food, when it is virtuous for rabbits to not get caught. It is simultaneously contributing to the problem. It's a paradox.

Now go suck a barrel of cocks, dimwit.

>>20210224
This is like those tests where you can get one candy now, or two candies if you wait 20 minutes for your reward. Only a dumb fuck would wait 20 minutes for an extra piece of candy. The ROI is abysmal. Eating a candy now and fucking off, or blowing up a bunch of balloons, is much more fun than getting score in some scientist's dumb experiment.

So really what these show is that women and girls are more motivated by external validation.

[Anonymous No.20212203]

>>20210285
>The state literally extracts 25%+ of everything the man makes. The state then extracts registration and licensing fees for a car to navigate the badly designed cities.
Yep this is shit.

>Then employment is at will, so he can be fired if he doesn't meet any unreasonable demands from his boss.
This is based. Incompetent idiots that think talking back to their superiors is fine should get fired. If you don't like it, walk out and start your own business. Employment is at-will so you can literally do that.

>Manufacturing jobs were outsourced because workers got fed up with the bullshit, suffering, and poverty and tried to unionize.
Also based, no one likes whiny fucks who think factory line work should give you a comfortable wage. If your job can be automated or literally outsourced to children in a 15th world country with no education system, it wasn't real work to begin with.

[Anonymous No.20212363]

>>20203122
>>20210039
And women are the jews of the sexes
Who better to bring the filth into the light than one intimately familiar with its stench?

[Anonymous No.20212389]

>>20203050
How ancient? Orthodox Priests are renowned understanders of womanhood, going so far as to imply their only non-religious redemption was found in the rearing of children, because they were made second and bound to Man through God Himself.
They give credit where it's due to the miracle of childbirth and honor Mary insofar as she brought Christ into the world but are probably the classical archetype of "get thine tomfoolery outta here female".

[Anonymous No.20212454]

>>20212389
factually incorrect, what you've said is a strange mashup of a pre-christian view of female non-personhood and protestant redemption theology

[Anonymous No.20212506]

>>20212454
Saint Paul himself wrote often about women being unfit to preach and speak in the Church and the Saints Augustine, Jerome, John Chrysostom, others as well were similarly inclined to acknowledge the inherent sin of womanhood. Not that all of creation did not have guilt this way but they specifically covered the woman's role in the Fall.
Tertullian and Origen wrote as much too, and the Orthodox Domostroy laws in the 16th century were in accordance with these values as well.

[Anonymous No.20212799]

>>20212203
Impossibly cucked. You're disgusting.

[Anonymous No.20212930]

>>20212506
>unfit to preach and speak in the Church
It's about speaking, people didn't really preach at the time. It's not a protestant bible study group. The point was that they should be included and learn - they weren't at the time, even at the Temple there was a court of women, after the court of the gentiles, and they couldn't go to the court of men.

[Anonymous No.20212938]

>>20212930
My point isn't that priesthood isn't necessarily male, it is, my point is that redemption is becoming holy, perfect like Christ, not childbirth. Very easy to see: there are many women whom the Church recognises as Saints.

[Anonymous No.20213197]

>>20212203
Let me guess you must be a christian socialist

God damn you are stupid

[Anonymous No.20213374]

>>20212930
>>20212938
I'm not disagreeing, I should've said teach not preach, and I should've said about religion in general, as women are taught and expected to be silent, learn, and ask at home if at all.
Of course men are expected to be able to teach which is a problem today as many do not read the Bible, let alone pray on it.

I am not embracing the idea of childbirth/rearing being a path to salvation, but was merely citing many Church Father's/scholar's belief that the inherent shame and sin on a woman ought to be remedied by her being a good mother.
This was in reply to someone who wanted 'ancient' texts smack talking women, which while in and of itself not a necessarily noble pursuit, it remains a little fun to trash talk the other sex. We (humanity) have been doing it in jest (partially, at least) forever so I figured why not stoke a little fire.
Hopefully people honor their parents and love their wives, but a little banter never hurt anyone. In an age of idolatry towards women it is good to have such preconceptions stripped from us in the form of wizened words from our predecessors.

[Anonymous No.20213414]

>>20213374
Hey I'm sorry I made you write all that, 4chan gets me in a combative mood.

[Anonymous No.20213454]

>>20212938
>my point is that redemption is becoming holy, perfect like Christ, not childbirth.
Indeed, all these people trying to find solutions to human problems outside of God's salvific plan are wasting their time and energy. They are exactly where the devil wants them to be. The truth is that the Church is the answer, to everything. We must humble ourselves and approach the Church as a spiritual hospital, for that is what she is. Christ through the priesthood is the medic. All human problems are ultimately spiritual, they are the result of sin, the abandonment of God (the Holy Spirit) in us. Without Him we are nothing, just dust and ashes. We are dead, for only God is Life.
Both men and women have two sacrificial paths the Church gives them, monasticism or marriage. There are no others. It is how we imitate Christ who sacrificed himself for humanity and for the church, his bride. It is how we achieve theosis, God willing.
All these alternative lifestyles, so called alpha promiscuous male, secular marriages where each one lives for himself, no sense of sacrifice, of better one another, most of these marriages are also childless these days (intentionally aborting babies even), cheating has become normal, breaks, single mothers. All this is pride, it's rebellion and leads to death.

[Anonymous No.20213461]

>>20213454
Sounds good but the church girls I've known were turbosluts

[Anonymous No.20213572]

>>20213461
Keep looking, keep praying. Don't give up

[Anonymous No.20213604]

>>20202886
>Vilar claims that women can control their emotional reactions whereas men cannot, and that women create overly-dramatized emotional reactions to get their way
yeah this is definitely true

[Anonymous No.20213637]

>>20212799
You're the one who's getting cucked by having to compete in capitalism while being woefully incapable of any competition. Anyone competent is going to love the variety of challenges and opportunities right now.

>>20213197
>christian
No.
>socialist
Also no.
I'm just not a whiny retard that thinks life sucks when it's actually fucking awesome right now.
Studied Econ because it was the easiest subject, got a comfy job because I wasn't a complete retard, invested the money in random shit when govs pumped money into the economy, and now I could just chill on a fucking beach for the rest of my life. This shit is literally too easy. Yall are just being salty because you make less money than a parking spot in Montreal.

[Anonymous No.20213652]

>>20212095
it's true, women fall outside of male variability and tend to be more herd like, so communism and anything to do with being one with the public is generally a woman's domain

[Anonymous No.20213755]

>>20213454
Beautiful post, brother.
It goes really deep. Marriage is God's first eschatological act. In Genesis, he brings man and woman apart like the lands from the oceans - the rib actually means he tore Adam apart from his side, and Eve wasn't her name yet. His name means Man, and she was called ishah, which means Woman. Only after their Exile does she become Eve, the mother of men. This has deep parallels in the Gospel according to John, where Mary is referred to as "woman" throughout the text, until, from the cross, Jesus tells the disciple he loved to take her as his mother. Anyways, I'm rambling a bit: my deep point is that marriage is the first glimpse of the world after the Second Coming of the Christ. Then, it will be the heavens and the earth coming together.
...
I'm married, and, let me tell you, marriage is all about becoming more like Christ. Nagging wife? Yes. But that's the point. We correct each other. If you want a happy marriage, you have to become a bit of a saint.

[Anonymous No.20213945]

>>20213637
>econ grad

me too what do you do

[Anonymous No.20213974]

>>20212185
>comparing human affairs to that of a beast in the wild

Don’t call me a dimwit if you’re going to be purposefully obtuse.

[Anonymous No.20214129]

How is history gonna remember our generation? As a bunch of pussy simps?

We are the first male generation in history to be subjugated by women.

[Anonymous No.20214162]

>>20213414
God gave me fingers that I might write, and anons on 4chan to write for :)

[Anonymous No.20214499]

>>20213945
Hedge fund management

[Anonymous No.20214652]

>>20214129
she wrote this in the 1970s

[Anonymous No.20215662]

>>20212203
>If your job can be automated or literally outsourced to children in a 15th world country with no education system, it wasn't real work to begin with.
If your definition of "real work" is literally sitting in an office crunching numbers and nothing but that.
Because that's where food comes from.
Retard.

[Anonymous No.20215728]

>>20215662
real work makes real money which buys real food from broke people who make no money and can barely afford the food you're buying from them

[Anonymous No.20215785]

>>20202992
how can you buddhist and military?

[Anonymous No.20215908]

>>20202886
"Vilar claims that women can control their emotional reactions whereas men cannot"
So men are children?
Also, men statistically benefit from marriage and women do not. Married men live longer, single women live longer.

[Anonymous No.20215936]

>>20212185
>So really what these show is that women and girls are more motivated by external validation.
I agree like with the Marshmellow test there's no reason to wait personally as the reward is too small. It's not an insult against men so no need to get so defensive. I don't think impulsiveness was intended here to have any kind of negaive connotation. It's just showing the differences between men and women in personality.

[Anonymous No.20215958]

>>20215936
It's not so much the differences in personality though. More how girls and boys are raised differently.

[Anonymous No.20216258]

>>20207610
>a pampered histrionic prostitute with complete control in any situation.
How is that so true...

[Anonymous No.20216270]

>>20209908
In a patriarchal society, where women are either wives, nuns, or old maids, what other strategies for socioeconomic success did they have aside from manipulation?

Frankly, I think the enmity to which philosophers have held women wasn't indicative of their innate tendencies, but rather a symptom of the limited role society allowed them to play.

But that does beg the question... in a world where men and women are functionally equal, why are they still so fucking manipulative?

[Anonymous No.20216275]

>>20215785
why? i'm not planning to be a monk

[Anonymous No.20216280]

>>20215908
this is such a retarded argument. it probably isn't even causal, but even if it was, it's so retarded

[Anonymous No.20216298]

>>20213454
>>20213755

Imagine being this delusional. Christcucks.

[Anonymous No.20216302]

>>20215785
There's nothing conflicting in that

[Anonymous No.20216325]

>>20213652
>>20212095
It's more that they just amplify whatever the consensus happens to be at the moment in their milieu. People usually say that women are predisposed to being lefty, when in the third reich middle-aged housewives were some of the most ardent supporters of hitler and the NSDAP.

Same happens everywhere else, at any given society through history.

[Anonymous No.20216365]

>>20216280
Men can control their emotions.

[Anonymous No.20216367]

>>20210039
lol no.
is this jewish cope or something?
I can name maybe 5 post enlightenment jewish authors of true historical relevance

[Anonymous No.20216404]

>>20216365
For my experience they can't, and if you tell them to try, they lash out.

[Anonymous No.20216432]

>>20216404
so women have better control over their emotions?

[Anonymous No.20216494]

>>20216365
I can control my car but I can't pull hektic skids.

[Anonymous No.20216501]

>>20216432
I would say emotional control is rare among humans overall.

[Anonymous No.20216542]

Good thread.
>Vilar explains how it works: if women are viewed as weak, less is expected of them; and therefore they are given more leeway in society than men.
Isn't it well established that women will pretend not to know how to do simple things like put together IKEA furniture so their man does it. Which not only strokes the man's ego, but provides the woman the feeling of being served/valued?
>>20203011
>I don't hate women, but i sure do hate simps.
This
>>20203143
What model do you feel best predicts and explains the dynamics between the sexes?
>>20210207
Stupid question but: what distinguishes exploitation from benefit? Especially in situations where someone is in a cult or some other environment where they have been 'programmed' (not the best word) to believe they are getting what they want?
> My cat gets free food and attention from me.
This is why the Master-Slave dichotomy is often bullshit. The millennial P.A. who knows all of the boomer CEO's passwords and schedules his entire life. Dad makes the rules of the house, but the children aren't really the slaves, because Dad works 5 days a week for his kids.
>>20215908
>>20216280
>>20216365
Controlling your emotions is different from controlling the outward appearance of them.
Appearing 'Stoic' doesn't mean you're controlling your emotions. You could still feel them but not show them outwardly. Silently seething. The opposite is also true, a manipulative woman may get histrionic, scream and yell when actually she's quite calm and it's all a performance, the feelings aren't 'genuine'.
There's also something to be said of the stereotype that men will have a physical altercation at the start of the night and be good friends at the end, while women will hold long grudges with 'frenemies' and passive-agressively plot revenge over long time lines. I think this makes the whole idea of "controlled emotions" a farce, because both are examples of being slave to your emotions in different ways.

[Anonymous No.20216620]

>>20216542
I always saw the whole guys fight and get over it and women stay mad, as an example of how we raise the sexes differently. We raise girls to compete with each other to reach end of life goals and raise boys to compete with each other for temporary trophies. For example, women compete for high value men and men compete for a night with a woman.

[Anonymous No.20216666]

>>20203011
>>20202886
>>20203235

Unironically based, simps are ruining sex, romance and masculinity for everybody. The bunch of fuckboys, coomers and desperates that dedicate their time, energy and cash to fuelling the machine of commodification and exploitation of human sexuality.

We have arrived at the point where lives of many men are defined by their sexual activity and utility to women. Every dude is judged by the standards of being useful for women, with the implied assumption that woman's mere presence is enough to fullfill every man's needs.

This sucks, both for men and women. It's bad for men for reasons >>20203011 explained. It's bad for women because the current system is actively strengthening both the worst, most predatory women who don't take kindly to opposition and the most sexist men, who now have the justification to go against women.

[Anonymous No.20216715]

>>20203259
>>20203439
>>20204860
Good take, promiscuousness in man cannot be seen as good without validating the female promiscousity also has value. That's because for male to be promiscuous multiple women are required and with gender split of roughtly 50/50 this means that at some point promiscous men start bedding the same women directly contributing to the female promiscousity

>>20204631
>>20212185
All these analogies forget that for man to be able to bed woman, means that said woman is willing to be bedded by said man and that there are limited quantities of men and women. This means that the "perfect" man, who can bed every women, is automatically lowering value of every women, because every woman is willing to spread her legs before him. Every other perfect man further lowers collective value of women, since they become willing to let him fuck them, therefore lowering they value. This means that for all men to reach their full value is to create situation where every woman is worthless.

[Anonymous No.20216731]

>>20210116
>>20210128

This, 75% of redpill is essentially old school pick up artistry and general rakish behavior. The other 25% is general relationship knowledge you are supposed to get from your parents and over the course of your first relationships.

[Anonymous No.20216742]

>>20212203
>>20213637

Another corpo cuck. Why are all econs incapable of understanding that jobs generating actual wealth are either part of manufacturing chain or service jobs where person actually creates something and not the trade and fiscal manipulation?

[Anonymous No.20216753]

>>20212930
>>20212506
Saint Paul wrote about role of lay people in lithurgy based on the specific contemporary example. It also includes lay men. Source: Catholic doctrine.

[Anonymous No.20216771]

>>20216270
Because culture has innertia. While the legal framework my dictate that women and men are equal, the societal structures responsible for conditioning women to be manipulators didn't fully disapeared. The same thing about structures that forced them into role of manipulators in first place.

For example, there is still cultural push for women to compete for the status of the most beautiful, even if there is no reason to do so. Men on the other hand are conditioned to assert their status mostly through feats of dominance, feats of sexual prowess and wealth. Even if women can now theoretically compete against each other with their prowess, the cultural framework still focuses on their looks and soft skills.

[Anonymous No.20216777]

>>20216771
brainfart

>While the legal framework may dictate that women and men are equal, the societal structures responsible for conditioning women to be manipulators didn't fully disapear. The same thing applies about structures that forced them into role of manipulators in first place.

[Anonymous No.20216781]

this has to be the loneliest thread in the history of /lit/. thankfully none of you will be fathers.

[Anonymous No.20216978]

>>20203251
>>20203248
Every Golden Age was the result of a society that made itself impervious to the vaginal jew.
Homosexuality subordinates and controls women in the only way they can't defend against. Even Islam can't compete.
It's funny to see the 'muh redpill' audience like /pol/ who hate fags deal with this fact when you bring it up.
Nobody ever refutes it, because I don't think anybody can.
Only christcucks and christcuck-adjacents are dumb enough to try, because their very religion is feminine in its nature and origination, rooted in Jewish obsessions with matrilineage.
Gay nationalism is the ultimate and final redpill and I'm tired of everyone pretending that it's not.

[Anonymous No.20217330]

>>20216978
Cope and seethe. We have consistently destroyed all homosexuality accepting civilisations for a reason.

[Anonymous No.20217362]

baudrillard

[I hate women No.20217426]

>>20214162
Based. God does so much for us, it's vital too appreciate every aspect of life to live in his glory.

[Anonymous No.20217473]

>>20202886
It's a good book, but you're a fool if you think it represents the totality of woman's beinghood. She writes of the secret tradecraft of women, but people are far more than merchant trade-plyers. Read it, but also read D. H. Lawrence, Tolstoy, and others for woman in her complete wholeness.

[Anonymous No.20217475]

>>20216978
>to beat the women you need to sodomize other men
Or just don't be a simp

[Anonymous No.20217481]

>>20217362
Yet women produce life, while men produce carpet stains and sticky tissues, curious.

[Anonymous No.20217488]

>>20217481
Cope

[Anonymous No.20217528]

>>20217488
You're the one coping with a garbage quote that runs counter to the reality of life, where the feminine is the productive power of material life and physical being. The Buddha loathed women because of this, as did Paul, the typical anti-life view of women is always tainted by the female productive power of material life they condemn in favour of a spiritual life beyond the physical child bourn in the woman's womb.

[Anonymous No.20217617]

>>20217528
then simply, following the quote, childbirth is masculine. it follows a masculine trajectory of power (accumulation over death). following the trajectory of the sperm if you want to naturalize it. as the quote says masculine power produces the woman as female. it precedes her womanhood. mind you the quote is taken out of context, don't blow your top.
t. guy who actually posted it

[Anonymous No.20217629]

Don't know about y'all incels but I can handle a bitch so pussy is no problem for me

[Anonymous No.20217768]

>>20217330
>said the Jew
Anyone who is anti-gay in 2021 is actually just a christkike, and you can't be a christkike without worshipping kikes. Judaism itself is a matrilineal death cult, which is why it seeks to feminize and incorporate what it can't outright destroy. AIDS failed, so now they're using the promulgation of transsexualism to deal with the gay problem. They do this openly in Iran and force sex changes on gay men because they don't have to do first world PR manipulation, but Islam is also kike ideology and in this respect they agree.
It won't work as a solution of course, because gay men will always exist as it's a genetic or developmental aberration, and the end result is that they grow up with a male brain capable of logic (unlike the female brain) and their natural proclivity makes them uncontrollable by females which breaks the modus operandi of kike subversion. You can tell this is the case, because any fag that doesn't get killed by söy poisoning or 'the culture' usually ends up more successful than a straight man the same age, and don't even have trouble ladder-climbing in kiked industries like media.

Think about it:
Women's suffrage? Men losing political control over women, to the benefit of Jew politicians.
Women in the workplace and consumerism? Men losing economic control over women, to the benefit of Jew executives.
Pornography/e-thots? Men losing sexual control over women, to the benefit of Jew pornographers.
The list goes on. Every societal evil is the result of kikes puppeteering females to control males.
They're such atrociously spoiled whores nowadays that 'incel' and MGTOW became a thing, because even straight men are sick of their bullshit. Notice the damage control by the (((media))) in this regard, by the way: if you don't buy into whore manipulations, you're an incel alt-right unperson now. You're one of them, by the way. Good luck playing the useful idiot.

>>20217475
>says don't be a simp while simping for female holes
???

[Anonymous No.20217774]

>>20217330
>said the Jew
Anyone who is anti-gay in [current year] is actually just a christkike, and you can't be a christkike without worshipping kikes. Judaism itself is a matrilineal death cult, which is why it seeks to feminize and incorporate what it can't outright destroy. AIDS failed, so now they're using the promulgation of transsexualism to deal with the gay problem. They do this openly in Iran and force sex changes on gay men because they don't have to do first world PR manipulation, but Islam is also kike ideology and in this respect they agree.
It won't work as a solution of course, because gay men will always exist as it's a genetic or developmental aberration, and the end result is that they grow up with a male brain capable of logic (unlike the female brain) and their natural proclivity makes them uncontrollable by females which breaks the modus operandi of kike subversion. You can tell this is the case, because any fag that doesn't get killed by söy poisoning or 'the culture' usually ends up more successful than a straight man the same age, and don't even have trouble ladder-climbing in kiked industries like media.

Think about it:
Women's suffrage? Men losing political control over women, to the benefit of Jew politicians.
Women in the workplace and consumerism? Men losing economic control over women, to the benefit of Jew executives.
Pornography/e-thots? Men losing sexual control over women, to the benefit of Jew pornographers.
The list goes on. Every societal evil is the result of kikes puppeteering females to control males.
They're such atrociously spoiled whores nowadays that 'incel' and MGTOW became a thing, because even straight men are sick of their bullshit. Notice the damage control by the (((media))) in this regard, by the way: if you don't buy into whore manipulations, you're an incel alt-right unperson now. You're one of them, by the way. Good luck playing the useful idiot.

>>20217475
>says don't be a simp while simping for female holes

[Anonymous No.20217803]

>>20217774
Hight tier shizo

[Anonymous No.20217807]

>>20216771
>For example, there is still cultural push for women to compete for the status of the most beautiful, even if there is no reason to do so. Men on the other hand are conditioned to assert their status mostly through feats of dominance, feats of sexual prowess and wealth. Even if women can now theoretically compete against each other with their prowess, the cultural framework still focuses on their looks and soft skills.

>being this retarded
are u a f*moid perchance?

[Anonymous No.20217843]

>>20217481
the woman alone produces nothing, it needs the man to procreate as well as to survive.


daily reminder that you are a living incubator, and that the wall draws near.

[Anonymous No.20217866]

>>20217807
>are you woman?
My balls say no.

You know, guys who rant about women being inherently lesser than men and disregard all social preassures shaping the sad state of modern feminity are the other side of the same coin as simps and wokies, right?

[Anonymous No.20217902]

>>20217843
And man cannot produce progeny whithout woman. God wants both sexes to live in harmony. All this talk about the wall and eggs is cope for bitter suckers who act as if they weren't biologically speaking sperm donors whose quality keeps dropping after 30.

[Anonymous No.20218004]

>>20217866
are you seriously this retarded? obviously this society is bad for women also but women are naturally 'Pressured' to be beautiful and young looking because men want that in a woman, plus maybe general intelligence and personality and loyalty, and certainly not any accomplishment or money or profession she might have. so in order to get the highest value male possible they must compete in looks among themselves, and it s certainly not muh society s fault

[Anonymous No.20218020]

>>20218004
We are literally saying nearly the same thing dude.

[Anonymous No.20218049]

>>20217902
nice cope

yes, man need a woman to procreate, but it is the man that chooses to and when because a woman cannot force a man to get her pregnant, while a man can force pregnancy on a woman.
also a man has to conquer a woman by means of competence and skill and virtue, the pursuit of which makes men persons, while a woman in contrast just has at best to be an available hole and let herself be used (in a society where rape is not possible) which makes her a thing: object and not subject in reproduction, whose 'agency' and 'self' is only allowed by men through the instituition of society and the social pact.

[Anonymous No.20218058]

>>20218020
we arent. you say that women being pressured into obsessing over looks is a negative societal pressure somehow as negative as simps, while i say that it is the natural state of thing for women to be whores and the real problem is the simping that allows for this sad state of affairs

[Anonymous No.20218084]

>>20218049
Cope and seethe. All this gay nonsense does is giving sad cases delusions of their own independence.

>>20218058
And I say that the propagation of state where women act as pathological attention seekers is effect of society and simps.

[Anonymous No.20218148]

>>20218084
> All this gay nonsense does is giving sad cases delusions of their own independence
>incels are somehow "not independent" because ???

>And I say that the propagation of state where women act as pathological attention seekers is effect of society and simps
thats because you re an ugly roastie that gets no attention despite simps because other holes hoard all of the attention you '''should''' get, but muh wymyn can t actually ever be at fault, so it must be "the heckin simperinos who perpetuate fat shaming through le toxic masculinity!!1!"

[Anonymous No.20218170]

>>20218148
The fuck you are talking about? I'm dude, mate. Pic related.

[Anonymous No.20218180]

>>20216542
>Stupid question but: what distinguishes exploitation from benefit? Especially in situations where someone is in a cult or some other environment where they have been 'programmed' (not the best word) to believe they are getting what they want?
>> My cat gets free food and attention from me.
>This is why the Master-Slave dichotomy is often bullshit. The millennial P.A. who knows all of the boomer CEO's passwords and schedules his entire life. Dad makes the rules of the house, but the children aren't really the slaves, because Dad works 5 days a week for his kids.
Nice post. I'm not really sure what separates exploitation from benefit in cases, like being in a cult, where the subject believes they are benefitting. It's tricky and quite often subjective, but I think there are cases where it becomes exploitative once there's severe enough physical or emotional harm being extorted out of the cult member. However, what constitutes a "harm" is very subjective. You can point to many rituals that from an outsider's perspective appear harmful, but maybe from within the group they don't view it that way. Tricky but I still believe there's a necessity to make the distinction.

[Anonymous No.20218187]

>>20218170
even worse, if u really are a dude, I hope she sees this bro

[Anonymous No.20218189]

>>20215958
>It's not so much the differences in personality though. More how girls and boys are raised differently.
I disagree, but there's no way to prove either way.

[Anonymous No.20218199]

I'm a son of a single mom. That woman is absolutely retarded. Couldn't keep a man so I had, and have, no father.
It should be fucking illegal.

[Anonymous No.20218200]

All true. It's why I only pursue relationships with other men.

[Anonymous No.20218245]

Roasties everywhere...
You're an expired thing at your 30s. You can't compete with the 20s whores so you try to deceive the gullible incels to take care of your torn out snatch...
Bitches trying to inverse the age-attractiveness curve of females-to-males, well.. guess what? It's biological, nothing will change that...

[Anonymous No.20218248]

>>20218187
I'm not defending any woman in particular twat. Is your brain so rotten that you are incapable of understanding that some dudes don't have an adversarial relationship with women?

[Anonymous No.20218463]

>>20218199
you blame the mother that raised you instead of the father that abandoned you?

[Anonymous No.20218528]

>>20218248
i am perfectly able to understand that some dudes are whiteknight faggots traitors to their own sex such as yourself who cannot fathom womankind to be at fault ever, so it is the intrinsically patriarcal society that's to blame for their narcissistic and whorish instincts that would othetwise not be

[Anonymous No.20218533]

>>20218463
>Female acts like a bitch
>Male cannot tolerate the bitch and her stupidity
>Male is forced to leave
>Kid is taken by legal force and then, raised by a bitch
Not him but I understand.
Also, I guarantee it if you change male by female in this scenario you would have no problem with the female (in male position)...

[Anonymous No.20218647]

>>20214499
Bullshit. If you’re actually a hedge fund manager I’ll eat my fucking hat. AUM?

[Anonymous No.20218789]

>>20218528
Look dude, one of the major reasons why nobody takes male rigths seriously is because everytime somebody mentions problems with male treatment in society somebody starts yelling "Whores! We need muh patriarhy to control them whores!" and derails discussion. Of course women can be whores and of course they can be at fault, it's just that bitter losers like you cannot comprehend that one, not all women are bitches, two that behaviour you bitch about isn't effect of some inherent malignancy in X chromosome, but rather combination of the individual character of given women and the societal factors that shaped it.

While random fucks like you waste time calling others sex traitors and other nonsense insults for pointing out your shitty behaviour, everybody watching the discussion recoils in disgust. Instead of cultured discussion about sorry state of manhood in modern societies, they see random whinny trash with delusions of grandeur. You will never be true patriarch, you have no authority, you have no means and you have no clan. You are a sad man dragging down every man around you with your constant whinning.

And the whorish behaviour is obviously rooted in society that enables it just like the manipulatory tendencies and superficiality. The old order you commend for keeping whores is illusion imagined by men without knowledge about history. The world nowadays is product of world before. The societal encouragement of excessive attention seeking in women today is product of leaving them little other options yesterday. The unjust divorce laws, that destroy men's lifehoods exist largely, as remnant of world where women were economically dependend on men. I can confidently say that about 1/4 of factors keeping modern men down are either anachronistic remnants of oh so great patriarchal system or effects of it.

[Anonymous No.20218893]

>>20202951
me too, although 1) don't like the jew thing, and 2) as Vilar admits, good women do exist. I found one myself :) If you spent less time being vicious and hateful, you might find one as well. You get what you deserve.

[Anonymous No.20219100]

>>20218893
Don't delude the guy with your ignorance.

[Anonymous No.20219138]

>>20216302
There absolutely is if you truly understand buddhist philosophy, which the vast majority don't.

[Anonymous No.20219703]

Listening to this now on audiobook (first audiobook) and it is absolutely based. Have genuinely laughed out loud at several points.

[Anonymous No.20219843]

>>20216365
considering the disparity of imprisonment between men and women, not really

[Anonymous No.20220078]

>>20219843
I wonder if men and women process and manifest emotion differently?! and how raising emotional males (by single moms mostly; see statistics of imprisonment) would result in emotional responses (anger).

Also, unlike men, women lead with emotion there are studies done on the subject so you could type for years and years... nothing will change that.

[Anonymous No.20220765]

>>20218180
Maybe the cult examples was too extreme. I have to agree with you, I also don't think that all male-female love can be distilled to effectively earning short term rights to use her vagina. One night stands refute this and I can think of other examples from my romantic past that invalidate that. However the question of 'self interest' even if one zooms out in scope and looks more broadly at relationships is an intriguing one.
I for one suspect that most relationships are out of convenience, "better the devil you know", which doesn't necessarily spell exploitation by one part or the other. But it does get into deeper questions about choice and rationalization.
I'm thinking about 'narcissistic abuse' in particular, the victims present themselves as helpless against a hyper intelligent and much much more calculated foe. Totally disregarding their own agency and responsibility, and even more troubling: really talking themselves down and devaluing themselves.
The cynic in me thinks that "narcissists attract narcissists", that the victims are equal parts narcissist abusers themselves.
That's probably untrue and unfair, but I can't help but think that it's unlikely that outside of very extreme power imbalances that when adults join into a relationship that there's a clear 'exploiter' and 'exploited'.
Presumably be it a healthy or toxic relationship, people join together out of some kind of perceived mutual benefit

[Anonymous No.20221393]

>>20219138
Buddhism has a history of being militant, and I believe Buddhist monks have better understanding on the subject than you.

[Anonymous No.20221406]

Is there anything more pathetic than self-help books aimed at angry virgins?

[Anonymous No.20221414]

>>20221406
It was written by a feminist for second wave feminists

Dumbass nonreading simp

[Anonymous No.20221844]

>>20203067
where is this excerpt from? Literally had the same thought the other day

[Anonymous No.20221901]

>>20202927
based

OP BTFO'd again

[Anonymous No.20221908]

>>20202951
>lovable creatures are in fact ruthless manipulators

Thery are, in fact, both. It is the opposing psychological aspects of the femiinine, similiar to the male capacity for protection but also murder. Shit example but you get the drift.

[Anonymous No.20221910]

>>20216978
>Only christcucks and christcuck-adjacents are dumb enough to try, because their very religion is feminine in its nature and origination, rooted in Jewish obsessions with matrilineage.
Have you ever read the bible?

[Anonymous No.20221918]

>>20216978
Every Golden age was marked by a increase in sexual decadence and homosexuality, tard.

Good times are constructed by men that aren't fucking faggots putting women in their place where they belong and proceeding to conquer the world. Not having gay sex nigger.
sneed feed
cope

[Anonymous No.20222893]

>>20221414
>second wave feminists
No waves... it's the same supremacy movement since the beginning.

[Anonymous No.20222902]

>>20221908
Yeah, that's why "ruthless manipulators" should be met with "murder".

[Anonymous No.20223149]

>>20218789
Exactly. There are all kinds of men and even more so there are all kinds of women. There are the dumbest, nastiest bitches and then there are some amazing women.

[Anonymous No.20223173]

>>20223149
>There are the dumbest, nastiest bitches and then there are some amazing women.
I see you've met my wife, and my mother, respectively.

[Anonymous No.20223243]

>>20223173
>dumbest and nastiest
Your wife and mother

[Anonymous No.20223249]

>>20223149
keep dreaming, bitch

[Anonymous No.20224289]

>>20221918
Callous but accurate, anon. At least we can take solace in the fact that things will be set right eventually after the fall

[Anonymous No.20224394]

>>20218789
absolutely based.

[Anonymous No.20224551]

>>20218789
Wow, something reasonable in this thread.

[Anonymous No.20224590]

>>20216978
Based and tleilaxupilled

[Anonymous No.20224721]

>>20224394
>>20224551

Thanks, I just have had enought of people derailing all conversations about the sorry state of manhood in modern west.

Realistically, if we want to even thing about fixing this problem we need to understand that every movement capable of changing the culture requires some appeal to common people. Not neccessary majority, but enough people to actually affect the society as whole.

The reason why wester culture is seeing so many so bold attacks on traditional masculinity and men as whole get positive or at leat neutra reception from public is because people responisble have mastered the art of putting in apparences.

When people make innane "no more toxic masculinity" campings, they deliberately focus on condeming bad behaviours and trying to project image of real men rejecting whatever they labeled as toxic. The fact that "toxic masculinity" is buzz word without any concise meaning and can be made to mean everything and anything is concealed with by de jure definitions that don't reflect real usage of the world.

And when people talk back? They simply focus the camera on random idiots screeching for new patriarchy because they know that average person finds them abhorrent or at best silly.

Only when the people concerned with men's rights understand the power of public image, the movement can go forward.

[Anonymous No.20225447]

>>20202886
>The main idea behind this book is that women are not oppressed by men but rather control men to their advantage.
As a woman all I can say is "ha, I wish."

[Anonymous No.20225478]

>>20225447
Sucks to be ugly.

[Anonymous No.20225495]

>>20225478
I'm not though, I've had guys who are into me. That still doesn't describe my experience. Men are still, generally speaking, bigger and stronger than us and can overpower us and that matters in any in-person interaction.

[Anonymous No.20225631]

>>20218789
Absurd level of mental gymnastics and subversion to shill for progressivism/cultural marxism. Not reading all of that but you are seriously a midwit if you think whores are a result of society, the only praise you’re getting is from redditors or possibly other glowies. I bet you think niggers nig because of remnants of systemic oppression too and the cure is based in socioeconomic policy. Complete brainrot.

[Anonymous No.20225646]

>>20225495
Where does the OP deny this? That is literally central to the point. And whose side is the law on?

[Anonymous No.20225651]

>>20225495
>That still doesn't describe my experience
Also only men can describe your experience appropriately. You are not an objective creature.

[Anonymous No.20225654]

>>20225631
>progressivism/cultural marxism
Sincerly, fuck these morons. They cannot even make use of socioeconomic factors.

>niggers nig because of remnants of systemic oppression

Look, some people are legitimately shit, but if society produces constant stream of turds, it's a sign that something isn't working. And in fact yes, America's shitty situation with all the gettos, gangs and riots is caused by years of retarded racist policies and good 1/4 of it would be fixed in few years by taking non retarded approach to economy (no bulshit reparations, blanked policy changes improve lot of working poor regardless of race) with another 1/4 being fixed with non retarded approach to police (raise the standards of police training, fuel funds towards walking the beat, solving cases and having working social services).

[Anonymous No.20225770]

>>20225654
These are bandages on bullet wounds and you’re delusional if you think it has to do with institutional racism. Intellectually, you’re not much different to the gay nationalist schizo earlier in the thread.
Look I’m not going to write a whole book on it but the entire focus on the ‘our culture’ navelgazing as a whole is modernist academia drivel. I’m not even advocating for anything here but simply as a matter of fact the only possible solution to the woman question is a return to more primitive societal conditions (typically through war, famine, death, etc).
You cannot change the female impetus toward her biological imperative as it is exercised in a decadent society without radically changing physical and real economic conditions as opposed to mere social policy or judicial marital reformation, divorce laws etc. The fact that you speak about the ‘men’s rights movement’ unironically in a previous post betrays that you have no understanding of these things. Unironically read Nietzsche and Aristophanes.

[Anonymous No.20225790]

>>20225770
>You cannot change the female impetus toward her biological imperative as it is exercised in a decadent society without radically changing physical and real economic conditions as opposed to mere social policy or judicial marital reformation, divorce laws etc.

What are the the societal policies, laws and systems if not part of the material conditions retard?

If you cannot solve the question of masculinity and feminity without regressing the standard of living to premodern social conditions, your solutions are useless for society as whole.

>men’s rights movement
I talked about them because they are prime example of the gruop actually trying to fix shit, but being completely sacked socially, because they have no control over their image and associates.

[Anonymous No.20225819]

>>20218789
>>20224394
>>20224551
>>20224721
samefag
1. women are all whores if given the chance
2. its not societal their behavior is a result of their biological qualities
Their hypergamous and whorish ways is absolutely not societal. Rather, society (a proper one with the interests of both men and women in mind and not just women) is the only thing that can keep that behavior in check.
Get rid of society and 80% of the males will live in frustration while 20% live contentedly, solely because of how women operate when given free reign.

[Anonymous No.20225865]

>>20225790
There are no solutions. Groups cannot fix anything, they move forward with the perfect momentum of divine Providence. Any group that falters in this process is overtaken by a group that stays course. Only things which are meant to be solved on this course are solved, until the destination is reached where all is solved. War is the world’s hygiene.

[Anonymous No.20225895]

>>20218789
>male rights
women look at this shit and see their cattiness and socialization strategy reflected back to them. what even leads some men to adopt marxian "activist" pursuit of their interests like feminists do?

[Anonymous No.20225933]

>>20225895
Personally I also don't like the modern activism, thought I wouldn't call it marxian, since marxism I know (actual Eastern Block commies) would abhor them.

Anyway, there are several explainations as to why people adopth the modern activism as means for their cause:
>modern culture simply promets indolent activism instead of other, more direct and therefore more threatning forms of action
>feminism has scored some impresive victories, so MRA are emulating them hoping for a similar success
>in general, the modern activism enables easy participation from people who can contribute very little to the success of the overal movement, but still want to help or at least feel like they are helping

[Anonymous No.20226144]

>>20203011
all my friends arent even married but have kids and more or less allow thier gf/maculine social confidence booster, to caroul their behavior, they sadly act like they hate it but secretly relieved to get out of hanging out all night drinking and chasing whores...

[Anonymous No.20226185]

>>20225790
>What are the the societal policies, laws and systems if not part of the material conditions retard?
Are you incapable of distinguishing between things of different classes and categories? What is a square of not a circle?

[Anonymous No.20226190]

>>20226144
Having kids is a fucking meme. Even worse when they are useless girls. I have 6 of them and I would gladly trade them all in for another son.

[Anonymous No.20226200]

>>20218789
well if you don't start taking it seriously, it will have tremendous consequences, not just for the West but the Orient as well. do you realize what roughly 200 billion sexuality unsatisfied men can do to world politics?

[Anonymous No.20226222]

>>20202992
It won't be coercion, you have to find the type that is naturally like that, or specifically naturally like that in relation to yourself. They're not all too common but they're not unicorns either. It's sublime and almost surreal to find a woman like that who almost perfectly encapsulates the feminine aspect of existence. The "qualifications" are simply never relaxing your authority, even in moments of weakness (which, contrary to what many say, can be displayed, it has nothing to do with the master-servant relationship, what matters is that your centrality as decision-maker even in a moment of weakness is kept permanent, even if you have to delegate the actual making of a decision).

[Anonymous No.20226227]

>>20226222
>t's sublime and almost surreal to find a woman like that who almost perfectly encapsulates the feminine aspect of existence
Without even trying mind you*

[Anonymous No.20226298]

>>20226200
>do you realize what roughly 200 billion sexuality unsatisfied men can do to world politics?
They will re-arrange states to the point where the term ‘rights’ loses all meaning. As men you lose the argument the instant you fall under this marxist lens and appeal to ‘rights’ under a greater authority/daddy. Do you think the gibsmedat will have any sympathy for you? They will just laugh at you for displaying weakness and create new language so that you won’t get any rights (unless you take them of course)
Your rights inherently mean less rights for other more marginalised groups, in this case women.

[Anonymous No.20226302]

>>20226298
>Your rights inherently mean
Not inherently, only according to women and other minorities like Marxists.

[Anonymous No.20226342]

>>20226302
Meant to say in a zero-sum materialist class warfare framework they inherently do. That’s what any appeal to rights in the 21st century (or rather post-1945) boils down to though. I can’t imagine any other interpretation of rights without a jurisprudential concept of the divine.

[Anonymous No.20227059]

>>20226190
I would only wish that to my worse enemy

[Anonymous No.20227232]

>>20221910
Mary definitely didn't cheat on Joseph.

[Anonymous No.20227931]

>>20225654
You're just as dumb as the LBJ 'new society' lackeys that instigated welfare expansion and built cancerous projects in every major American city. Society is more complicated and unwieldy than the average person gives it credit for. It's naive to advocate sweeping policy change and expect anything but unforseeable consequences. Look at the oft sited example where the Mao administration unwittingly collapsed an entire ecosystem and caused famine because they tried to exterminate a minor crop pest.

[Anonymous No.20228060]

>>20202886
Is there a conclusion to this book? I don't want to read a blackpill.

[Anonymous No.20228157]

>>20202951
>Open your eyes,
you incautious and stupid men
Look at these women
Look what they are!
These you call goddesses
with deceived senses,
to whom the weak reason
tributes incenses.
They are witches who enchant
only to make us pain,
Sirens who sing
to draw us,
Owls who attract
to take out our feathers
Comets who shine
to take our light away,
they're thorny roses
they're charming foxes
they're benign bears,
malign doves,
masters in cheating
friends of worries
who pretend, lie,
don't feel any love,
don't feel any pity,
no, no, no, no, no!
I don't tell all the rest,
anybody knows that.

[Anonymous No.20228249]

>>20202886
All true however it's obvious women will never be able to truly control men and have no real desire to do so.
They can control them in a way that benefits themselves and ensures their own survival but not in a direct way where they are above men in the hierarchy.
That is to say the patriarchy is real and always has been throughout all of human history but what some fail to realize is that it strongly benefits women. They just have a strange unrealistic grass is greener mentality and think a society ruled by women would work despite no evidence to support it. It's the same kind of thinking as "defund the police" just wishful thinking with no basis in reality.

[Anonymous No.20228275]

>>20228249
In case you forgot, the police WERE defunded in several states and it is a political fight to see them funded again.

[Anonymous No.20228291]

>>20228275
>it is a political fight to see them funded again
Lmao no. Many of them panicked and refunded them when things went to shit.

[Anonymous No.20229201]

>>20204631
What is the difference between a lock which is locked, and one that is unlocked?

[Anonymous No.20229211]

>>20211849
https : //monoskop . org /images/a/a3/Hesiod_Theogony_Works_and_Days_trans_West.pdf

[Anonymous No.20229220]

>>20228291
People still don't apply to be new cops and plenty of existing cops just refuse to answer certain calls.

[Anonymous No.20229529]

>>20225646
It doesn't matter if the law's on my side if I get fucking killed lmao
>>20225651
And how do you know that?

[Anonymous No.20229538]

>>20226190
God, I hope your daughters never read your real thoughts on them.

[Anonymous No.20229548]

>>20228249
>That is to say the patriarchy is real and always has been throughout all of human history but what some fail to realize is that it strongly benefits women.
As a woman I am not convinced.
>They just have a strange unrealistic grass is greener mentality and think a society ruled by women would work despite no evidence to support it.
What about a society where neither sex has power over the other?

[Anonymous No.20229549]

>>20229538
They will never play major league baseball or shred on a fucking bike so who cares what they think.

[Anonymous No.20229554]

>>20229549
Will you?

[Anonymous No.20229561]

>>20229548
Why would you not want to live in a patriarchy if you're a qt. Trying to compete with men is a fools errand. Unless you just like playing everything on hardmode.

[Anonymous No.20229578]

>>20229554
I played minor league ball and used to be a sponsored bmx rider.

[Anonymous No.20229605]

>>20229561
Because I like having my own rights as a full-fledged human being and not property?
>>20229578
And that makes your opinion more valuable why exactly?

[Anonymous No.20229633]

>>20229605
You're not property though. You are a beautiful flower that needs to be protected. Only a subhuman piece of shit would ever hurt his woman.

[Anonymous No.20229719]

>>20229633
No, I'm a person. Not inherently better or worse than a man.

[Anonymous No.20229738]

>when the dedications page just says "this is for all the niggers"

[Anonymous No.20229799]

>>20202968
Prepare your anus

[Anonymous No.20230840]

>>20229529
men are tamed from the second they are born to not be violent towards women, worst case scenario you run into some jiggy niggers that don't know how to behave or crackheads, but most functional men literally do not even realize they have power over women, and if they do they are told that they should be ashamed of it. It's kind of why I recommend that any man make a habit of practicing martial arts or fighting of sorts, it personally made me realize that I have the ability to use my strenght, this sounds obvious but you ahve no idea how fucking bad it is for modern men, we either don't know or we are shunned for even considering it, so what you have are complete cuckolds or people that found out the truth and in turn become enrage because they've been lied to for so long. I think a lot of extremist incel types are to some extent the latter of the bunch, the red pill can be a bit cringe at time but is largely correct and it is the first time they ever see any hint of true masculine nature practice in any capacity. I don't really consider myself an incel but I also have anger towards the world for being lied to for so long

[Anonymous No.20230844]

>>20229719
you are inherently different than a man.

[Anonymous No.20231093]

>>20229719
We're biologically different, maybe you're an exceptional woman who is willing to accept ownership over one's owns actions, but the majority of women aren't. Just as men have the capacity for physical violence, but men are still expected to uphold their end of the bargain through social pressure and inhibitors (jail, pornography, etc). Exceptional women are capable of playing fair, but that's the exception not the rule. There needs to be an equal counter balance for the average women. Not happening btw, even Islam Is getting chucked.

[Anonymous No.20232215]

>>20229201
indication of it's quality.

[Anonymous No.20232220]

>>20230840
>use your strength
>get put in jail
i think you're a bit retarded m8

[Anonymous No.20232232]

So this feminist actually fooled incels into reading her book. Incredible. It's obvious Vilar is sceptical of traditional society and roles.

[Anonymous No.20232245]

>>20204631
>It's only a paradox if you for some dumb reason believe that every key in the world is be a good key and that every lock in the world should be good one.
exactly

[Anonymous No.20232272]

>>20217617
>childbrith is masculine
The metaphor is stretched beyond all tethers to reality and abandons itself. The feminine is the productive power of life.

[Anonymous No.20232516]

>>20232232
just ignore the parts where she goes full feminist

[Anonymous No.20233335]

anons why wont my wife have sex with me? it has been a year and she cites me not respecting her boundaries sexually and not performing how she asks as her reason for shutting down. to the best of my knowledge i was overly pushy maybe a half dozen times in 10 years of dating/marriage, and only recall a few instances of, say, not being able to keep up with a particular rhythm she wanted.

am i hosed here or what. i cant find any evidence of cheating

[Anonymous No.20233659]

>>20233335
She fucks niggers on the side

[Anonymous No.20233670]

>>20233335
it's unironically over anon I'm sorry

[Anonymous No.20233680]

>>20233335
Dude you aren't supposed to try and violently facefuck and sodomize your wife. Thats what your mistress is for.

[Anonymous No.20233759]

>>20233680
>juggling two women
just kill me now

[Anonymous No.20233782]

>>20233335
>not perfoming how she asks
Maybe you should start working out?

[Anonymous No.20233815]

>>20233782
He most likely meant eating her out and fucking her slow. I love my gf and I can't even be bothered with that gay shit.

[Anonymous No.20233838]

>>20233815
nah she stopped letting me eat her out well before the final doorslam, and i prefer slow grinding sex. on the contrary i lose my wood doggy style. totally unintimate and gay imo

[Anonymous No.20233859]

>>20233838
Just get a prescription for Viagra or Cialis. If you love her it beats getting divorced because your dick game is weak.

[Anonymous No.20234058]

>>20233335
Forgive English am learner still. You are, how they say, the cuckhold. Your wife, she is still physically there, but emotionally she is dead to you.

[Anonymous No.20234090]

>>20232220
you don't get it.

[Anonymous No.20234228]

>>20218049
Based and obviouspilled

[Anonymous No.20234242]

>>20218170
Kek I've been saturated with female attention my entire life and I can confirm that 98% of them are barely sentient animals. While it is the case that your pic applies to some genuine incels, for the rest of us it's not lack of exposure to women that takes us to these conclusions, but rather the opposite.

[Anonymous No.20234430]

>>20234242
agreed
dated a lot of women and most of them are instinctual and desire-driven npcs
the same could be said of many men -- just not to the same extent
maybe 1/7 men are truly conscious
but for women, it would be 1/50

[Anonymous No.20234444]

>>20202886
it's sad because the kind of society vilar describes is fine for the vast majority of men
it's the modern travesty of the empowered women that is truly disastrous
I no problem whatever providing for my wife
I pay so that all her needs are met, and in turn I am loved and don't need to do the housework I hate
this arrangement suits me fine. Vilar doesn't understand that for a man, this manipulation (if we can call it that) is perfectly acceptable
I would prefer it if we returned to a time when the workplace was almost exclusively male
and when all-male spaces were more predominant
when the discourse was male-driven and male-oriented
and female voices were only heard by their husbands

[Anonymous No.20234567]

>>20230840
>men are tamed from the second they are born to not be violent towards women
Well they aren't doing a very good job of it, because there are still plenty of cases of violence against women.
>>20230844
Different, sure (on average, there's certainly overlap). But not better or worse.
>>20231093
Maybe I don't get what you mean but that hasn't been my experience with other women.

[Anonymous No.20234602]

>>20234567
>Well they aren't doing a very good job of it, because there are still plenty of cases of violence against women.
The fact that violence against women is frowned upon by nearly all men, and the fact that obnoxious feminists aren't beaten half to death on principle (like they are in many other cultures) refutes this point.

[Anonymous No.20234621]

>>20234602
Violence against men is frowned on too, in most circumstances.

[Anonymous No.20234706]

>>20234621
That you're even equating the two, or think they're generally perceived in any equal light tells me you failed to grasp my point.
Regardless you're wrong to begin with, unless it's africa-tier savagery, violence against men by other men is usually not frowned upon. Rather it's entertainment at best or looked at with apathy at worst.

[Anonymous No.20234775]

>>20234706
We don't praise men who go around hitting or kicking other men without provocation and in fact we usually arrest them.

[Anonymous No.20235671]

>>20202992
By finding the nerve to selling your children into the slave trade (yes women want to dominate their children because of their insecurity in society).

[Anonymous No.20235676]

>>20203067
It’s boomer mens fault, they thought they could play nice all the while not realizing they were just kicking a can down the road.

[Anonymous No.20235678]

>>20203143
You didn’t watch the tinder swindler did you?

[Anonymous No.20235684]

>>20203492
Women are trained from a very young age to selectively display emotions that will lead to the out come they want. I’ll give you one guess who their mentor is.

[Anonymous No.20235691]

>>20203982
They’re shitting and pissing on everything that’s been built the last 3,000 years and we want to keep it

[Anonymous No.20235704]

>>20202886
>if women are viewed as weak, less is expected of them; and therefore they are given more leeway in society than men.
>Vilar states that women are generally "gold diggers" who attempt to extract money and other material resources from men.

Your wild eyed notions intrigue me anon, give me further readings please