/wg/ - Writing General

[Anonymous No.20197291]

Obama Edition

Previously: >>20185837


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Reads related to honing the craft:
>pastebin.com/krJFfUfK (old reading list)
>pastebin.com/1KA24gny (new reading list)

Aditional related reads:
>pastebin.com/dXtFsTUh

Youtube playlist on storytelling:
>youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTCv6n1whoI23GmdBZienRW0Q0nFCU_ay

Self publishing websites:
>pastebin.com/zcKB1gN9

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/wg/ author pastebin + anon flash fiction anthology
>https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQ

Previous flash fiction anthologies
>archive.org/details/@_lit_anthology

[Anonymous No.20197301]

I’ve started writing a book and I’ve already thought of two spinoffs… why is my mind like this? I’m more excited about those ideas than my current novel ???

[Anonymous No.20197340]

>>20197301
That means your current novel is shit and you'll never finish.

[Anonymous No.20197399]

>>20197301
How many words in are you? If under 30k then >>20197340 is probably right.

[Anonymous No.20197468]

Please rate my space-faring team because I want to write comfy adventure fiction with these guys
>girl MC, captain and reserve pilot and mechanic, bubbly, incomprehensible when she's excited, idiosyncratic speech patterns. In it just to go fast af in her big space ship
>guy doctor, gruff and tired, takes great pride in his work, actually funny in a dry way. In it because he sees everyone as potential disasters who will need his care
>girl small arms specialist, like a puzzle, likes the precision of a gun over the detonation of a whole city block, reserved but not shy, peak qt. In it to make some money
>guy demolition specialist and mechanic, funny, maybe a little off his rocker, best friends with the doctor, #DAMAGED, thinks small arms specialist is a small time dreamer. In it to see the galaxy
>girl pilot, thinks artillerist is crude but in an endearing way, femme fatale, not quippy, #DAMAGED. In it for whatever she can get: money, fame, etc.
>guy engineer and quartermaster, large mother fucker, likes his books, moral father figure. Close with the pilot and the small arms girl. In it to find a permanent home he can start a garden in

[Anonymous No.20197528]

How do you break the threshold and create longer works? I've written 15 novellas, but they're all around 30k words.

[Anonymous No.20197536]

Newfag here. Where do y'all post/publish your works? Or do you just keep them to yourselves?

[Anonymous No.20197542]

>>20197536
Royalroad.com

[Anonymous No.20197545]

>>20197468
>girl MC, captain
dropped

[Anonymous No.20197546]

>>20197301
Sounds like you're writing the wrong thing.

[Anonymous No.20197549]

>>20197468
>girl MC
Unironically, unequivocally, and without remorse stopped reading right there. There is no smile on my face.

[Anonymous No.20197571]

>>20197528
How well did they review?

[Anonymous No.20197583]

Should I use english words to name my characters or should I use foreign words to name them? Which one is better and why?

[Anonymous No.20197597]

>>20197468
Why is there a woman?

[Anonymous No.20197606]

>>20197571
I've only published eight of them. The worst reviewed one has sold the most. The best reviewed one has barely sold anything.

[Anonymous No.20197612]

>My 1k word count still stronk!
Alright you fuckers, I'm almost complete in compiling the most reprehensible, yet socially acceptable female character
Eastern ,African and Middle eastern cucks need not continue reading as this character archetype is not applicable to their societies.

>Dyes hair a different color than it is naturally
>Too much perfume/cakeup
>Has long drawn out laugh
>Is single by choice and through 'no fault of her own'
>Drinks too much
>Has had more than five sexual partners in ten years
>Lets her male pet dog lick her on the mouth
>Expects others to pay for her food while eating out
>Has more guy friends than girl friends
>Smokes cigarettes
>Has tattooed name of previous partner
>Had 'work done' for non reconstructive purposes
>Wears overly revealing clothing in public
>Doesn't know how to cook
>Consistent flirt even with her 'friends'

[Anonymous No.20197625]

>>20197612
>female char
Stopped reading here.

[Anonymous No.20197629]

>>20197583
Since you somehow missed the hint last thread I will spell it out for you: PROVIDE CONTEXT FOR YOUR QUESTION

[Anonymous No.20197672]

>>20197340
No it’s a good idea and im halfway through it so I’ll probably finish but I want to do the other ones RIGHT NOW

[Anonymous No.20197675]

>>20197583
What kind of character is this that you can't just name them "Bob"?

[Anonymous No.20197678]

>>20197545
>>20197549
>>20197597
Gentlemen, cease your shitposting. Spunky girls are cute

[Anonymous No.20197683]

>>20197399
It’s going to be 90k
Im almost 50k in and it’s fully outlined

It’s YA so it’s not hard to write. I still love the story but i get excited over new books easily

[Anonymous No.20197702]

>>20197468
>>girl MC
Yeah, it won’t be funny. Sorry, Anon.

[Anonymous No.20197740]

>>20197683
I'd say not to get too distracted by the new idea, but jot them down anyway. As in don't focus too much time on them, but if something comes to mind organically or in a dream then don't lose it.

[Anonymous No.20197769]

>>20197468
What's with the hashtags?

[Anonymous No.20197780]

Want are some stereotypes and slang about Irishmen?

[Anonymous No.20197804]

>>20197629
Sorry anon. I'm writing a medieval fantasy book

[Anonymous No.20197834]

My writing is shit and my mother doesn't love me, how do you think I should write my mc?

[Anonymous No.20197841]

>>20197804
>medieval

Is it though? Or do you just mean swords and castles and people riding on horses

[Anonymous No.20197846]

>>20197834
>im terrible at what i love
>mom hates me
This is literally every ligth-novel and isekai out there

[Anonymous No.20197925]

>>20197841
No feudal system with farm and serfs day in and day out. Bunch of uneducated blokes that mind their own business, farm for 3 hours give some food to the lord and die from dissentry at the age of 30

[Anonymous No.20197940]

>>20197925
Then why not pick medieval English peasant names?

[Anonymous No.20197967]

>>20197940
Because Robert is a medieval peasant name. As well as John, Paul, George, and Richard.

[Anonymous No.20198018]

>>20197291
get a load of this smarmy ass faggot

[Anonymous No.20198041]

>the silence was deafening

[Anonymous No.20198054]

>>20197967
Actually write it and submit a 3k word writing sample to us with whatever names you want and we'll give you meaningful feedback. Until then you're just farting into the wind before our faces and asking which way the wind is blowing.

Likely the character names will be the least important thing.

[Anonymous No.20198086]

>>20197967
So?

[Anonymous No.20198222]

>>20197301
Ignore the pseuds' non-advice...just roll with it!
You don't have to start writing them now, but you can still make lots of notes.
Sounds like you've got an idea strong enough to become its own series!
More power to you!

[Anonymous No.20198230]

>>20197612
Are you the anon that previously asked for characteristics of trashy women?
I think you've compiled quite a fertile list.
Now write the twat!

[Anonymous No.20198232]

>>20197340
pseud

[Anonymous No.20198237]

>>20197780
Irish culture, as it existed at the time of the mass migration to America, had a lot in common with what we call "black culture" these days.
Try writing them that way.

[Anonymous No.20198241]

Is cross-story contamination a thing?
I'm starting to have trouble with coming up with a land of monsters for my LitRPG that's actually different from a race of monsters from another idea I was working on; I also have a couple of stories I haven't finished with eerily similar groups of leads.
I've written down what I could but I struggle writing my ideas down; so I was thinking that maybe because I'm not putting them all down on paper, they are crossing into each other because my mind is not really a material place with well-defined borders.

[Anonymous No.20198253]

>>20197612
Sounds like my little brother's ex-girlfriend.
So let me help with an even trashier detail:
>Wears overly revealing clothing in public
She wears her pajamas in public...yes, the ones she slept in.

[Anonymous No.20198351]

>>20198241
Sounds like you need more ideas for monsters.
You could plunder reference works like Dungeons & Dragons for ideas.
Or take it back to basics...come up with a species with a much different biology than your current monsters, then extrapolate how that biology would affect their culture.
For instance, a monster with prolific breeding would have a much different culture than one with a lower birth rate -- the former wouldn't prize children at all, the latter would have a very stratified hierarchy. And so on.

[Anonymous No.20198496]

>>20198237
Hmm.. I'm doing a lot of research right now, and I will need a bibliography. How important is one for a historical fiction? Or nobody gives a shit?

[Anonymous No.20198499]

>>20198351
>Sounds like you need more ideas for monsters.
It's more that I'm giving both similar societies and histories.
Both sets of monsters have very authoritarian governments, both are militaristic, both have industries but are isolationists and have poor living conditions, both have been seething for centuries over getting beaten by humanity, both have the classic Four Heavenly Kings meme for their government, etc.

Your suggestion is not bad at all, though, frogfriend.

[Anonymous No.20198521]

>>20198241
I've read two books by Kurt Vonnegut. Both had a character who remembered the future and a plot about being abducted to another planet to be bred with an attractive woman and a race of aliens named Tralfamadorians. They weren't that similar overall.
With another author I noticed that he likes to give multiple characters the same first name for the sake of an emotionally poignant instant that doesn't advance the plot.
Many authors fixate on really specific ideas and stylistic touches. I don't think it's desirable, but it's a fact of life.
Do keep the borders of your stories clear. Do look for ways to differentiate your repeats. But accept that sometimes your ideas converge.

[Anonymous No.20198524]

>>20197536
>y'all
Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.20198555]

>>20198521
Vonnegut recycles lots of themes over and over. One of his last, if not last, books was called "Timequake" or something like that. Where he mixes up all these ideas he's had from his old books. It's kind of interesting.

[Anonymous No.20198571]

I'm more of a "writer's writer".

[Anonymous No.20198575]

>>20198571
Do you write?

[Anonymous No.20198591]

to eat is not to breathe is not to sleep is not to dream is not to yearn is not to earn is not the fact that red pisses me the FUCK OFF and you fucking knew that which is why you’re just a corpse in my basement after giving me a fucking red balloon on my birthday
i will always hate you
chapter 2: thoughts on the economy
money is

[Anonymous No.20198597]

>>20198591
chapter 2: thoughts on the economy
money is
>a medium of exchange
>a store of value
>a unit of account

[Anonymous No.20198601]

>>20198575
I have definitely thought about writing on multiple occasions.

[Anonymous No.20198618]

Any advice on gaining readers? I'm not finished with the novel, but would like some opinions of part 1 and 2 before actually hitting the publish button.
The only people who accepted my offer were boomer women, and none of them had notes beyond "that was sad" or "that was funny"

[Anonymous No.20198639]

>>20198618
tiktok

[Anonymous No.20198641]

>>20198575
You know, I get asked that a lot. I was at a cocktail reception for a certain well-to-do artiste. He's some congressman's third son. He was showcasing his newest series of creations, Red on Red I think is what the sign at the entrance of the exhibition called it. He was going around wearing sunglasses indoors, spilling his drink, his arm around some flirty young thing. Open bar, you know how it goes. So I'm perusing this one particular piece, and it turns out its the titular Red on Red - there was a lot of red - and this girl comes walking up, jewish, you could easily tell from her hair, nosejob and the breasts spilling out. So we get to talking and it comes out that I'm a writer's writer. She wants to know what they means so I say I''ll show her but we need to go for a little walk. We walk out of the exhibition and, this won't be a surprise to anyone, but jewish girls just love sucking uncircumcised cock.

[Anonymous No.20198741]

I'm trying to apply the "show, don't tell" techniques but it just feels like such a waste of time, page space and my nerves, I'm writing a YA sci-fi novel, I just want to tell the story ffs

[Anonymous No.20198811]

>>20198741
Then you're probably more of a non-fiction writer.

[Anonymous No.20198848]

>>20198741
Show don't tell is a horrific meme almost on the level of passive bad active good. Don't fall for that shit. In many cases it's better to tell than show.

[Anonymous No.20198924]

Rate my Concept:
>Space Fantasy
>Post-apocalyptic world/alien desolated planet
>Main gimmick of the story are superpowered power armors that can appear on a person's body instantly
>Main protag is a tomboy girl whose armor allows her to punch really hard.

[Anonymous No.20198928]

>>20198924
isn't that basically one piece?

[Anonymous No.20198930]

>>20198924
Okay, but *why* does she punch really hard?

[Anonymous No.20198966]

So how do i avoid the uninspired copy-cat story when I want to cash in on this isekai meme?

[Anonymous No.20198968]

>>20198924
Hey I posted that >>20198920

I bet you don't even know about her rival/boyfriend who wears a black dragon powerarmor, or that the armors are implanted on the lower spine through a chip gathered by an ancient civilization

Fucking idea thief.

[Anonymous No.20198969]

>>20198741
Telling is fine. The most important thing is that your story can hold someone's attention.

[Anonymous No.20198976]

>>20198968
Why do you even post in /sffg/ knowing there’s a writing general. Do you really want to be that special snowflake?

[Anonymous No.20198982]

>>20198966
Be inspired.
This means cashing in can't be your only motivation.

[Anonymous No.20198985]

>>20198982
what inspires you?

[Anonymous No.20198989]

>>20198924
>>Main protag is a tomboy girl whose armor allows her to punch really hard.

[Anonymous No.20198990]

>>20198968
Your concept is trite and banal.

[Anonymous No.20198996]

>>20198966
At least base yourself on the good Isekais, or the ones with at least a basic idea about them that makes them more interesting than "AAAAAAAH ME SUPER POWER GET ALL GIRLS IN ANOTHER WORLD!"

Examples of (at least conceptually interesting) Isekai: Re;Zero and Grimgar.

[Anonymous No.20199001]

>>20198990
>banal
Eep! O-Okay, I guess it's alright if my first time's with you...

[Anonymous No.20199002]

>>20198990
Who's b-anal?

[Anonymous No.20199023]

Any good books on writing better prose?

[Anonymous No.20199025]

>>20199002
Bane-al. He's a gentleman of considerable stature as far as your perspective is concerned.

[Anonymous No.20199032]

>>20199023
https://www.wikihow.com/Write
it has really helped and inspired my current writing regime

[Anonymous No.20199048]

>>20198990
Concepts are barely more than a hook. Spin the concept in an interesting way and execute it well and it'll work out regardless of how banal it might seem.

[Anonymous No.20199077]

>>20198496
Heck, I add bibliographies to my screenplays.
But that's just me.
No harm in listing your sources, even if it doesn't end up in the final product.

[Anonymous No.20199095]

>>20198989
cute

[Anonymous No.20199101]

>>20198985
Worldbuilding with intricate off-screen cause and effect.
Bizarre yet believable personalities.
Mechanical pollution of video game stories.
Fungible consciousness.
Playfully concise prose.

That's just what I like. You need to find something that you personally really want to create, something for which it's unbearable that it doesn't exist.
But you say you want it to be compatible with lowest common denominator isekai litrpg sensibilities. I don't know how easy that is. Do you like reading those?

[Anonymous No.20199111]

>>20198499
Still, there are different kinds of authoritarian governments.
On one hand, you have something like China, with a rigid top-down structure and, even though there are a lot of bureaucratic fiefdoms, no one makes a move that they think their superiors would disapprove of. This is the "lawful evil" model.
On the other hand, you have something like Burkina Faso, which has had a series of strongman governments since gaining independence, and violent coups overthrowing them every few years. This is the "chaotic evil" model.
Heck, you could even consider the highly bureaucratic model from the movie "Brazil", which in its best moments, would be "lawful neutral".
All are authoritarian, but very different.

[Anonymous No.20199119]

>>20198524
> >y'all
>fuck off
Do you prefer "yous", then?
2nd person singular/plural is ambiguous in English.

[Anonymous No.20199125]

>maybe the characters should discuss x topic right now to hook onto y later
>thinking better, it would shift the mood of the moment if they talked about x, so they should just use the time to make a pun and express some personality
>wait, but what about z? They could explain z better to give more insight to the reader
How do I deal with the Overchoice Effect when I have so many scenes to pick from? This is slowing me down a lot

[Anonymous No.20199129]

>>20198555
I thought "Breakfast Of Champions" was his kitchen-sink book. So there were at least two? Dang.

[Anonymous No.20199136]

>>20198571
>writer's writer
So your audience consists of writers?
Do they have time to read?

[Anonymous No.20199141]

>>20198591
How's that weed?

[Anonymous No.20199145]

>>20198601
Poser. Go write something.
I'm posting here while scarfing dinner, and will soon get back to my novel.

[Anonymous No.20199151]

>>20198924
So, half the animes out there.

[Anonymous No.20199154]

>>20199101
>Worldbuilding with intricate off-screen cause and effect.
brother we want to write this but its so difficult to keep everything straight....or to write it all out....

[Anonymous No.20199155]

>>20199002
banal, adjective...unoriginal to the point of being obvious and boring.

[Anonymous No.20199168]

>>20199154
nope. best method is the potemkin village style

[Anonymous No.20199175]

>>20199154
Then organize your notes.
I use a free, open-source outline editor called TreeLine.
Although it allows me to create detailed multi-field node types, I"ve only ever used "default" (consisting solely of a title) and "text" (i.e. a title plus a multi-line free-form text box), and hierarchical compositions of them.
I stuff everything I come up with into my big outline of ideas, and find places to use them.

[Anonymous No.20199202]

>>20199168
The only problem then is you get a lot of meaningless text with no use to the plot
>>20199175
Its not really an issue of keeping it all in line. I just think that making it all relevant to the plot is incredibly difficult, like why does anybody need to know that somewhere in my fantasy world there is an incredibly advanced civilization that has colonized the world invisibly, if my entire plot revolves around a guy who wants to save his waifu from an evil rapist who kidnapped her? (as an example)

[Anonymous No.20199218]

>>20198924
So Ciconia When They Cry except there's no plot

[Anonymous No.20199235]

>>20199202
>irrelevant to the plot
Then save it for later. There's going to be a sequel, right?
An outline editor is a great way to never lose any of your ideas.

[Anonymous No.20199243]

>>20199202
>making it all relevant to the plot is incredibly difficult
Then don't do that. Some will be plot-relevant, some will show up in passing, some will never see the page, and that's okay.

[Anonymous No.20199250]

Check out my LitRPG

Chapter 1
https://litter.catbox.moe/rw4jnz.pdf

Chapter 2
https://litter.catbox.moe/fukft9.pdf

Is it good enough to be on RR?

[Anonymous No.20199258]

>>20199119
How about "you all" which "y'all" is a faggot abbreviation of? Maybe you should just go back newfag.

[Anonymous No.20199259]

>>20199250
give up and come back with something good

[Anonymous No.20199264]

>>20199250
can't open it
but you can literally shit anything unto RR (or scribblehub which I like better) and at worst you get views

[Anonymous No.20199274]

>>20199259
you didn't even read it!

[Anonymous No.20199278]

>>20199250
For RR? Heh... yes, it's good enough to belong there.

[Anonymous No.20199279]

>>20199274
Pseuds don't need to read.
They think they already know everything.
Brush them aside.

[Anonymous No.20199284]

>>20199202
>The only problem then is you get a lot of meaningless text with no use to the plot
What? No. You write the plot and then you fill in any plot holes later on. You don't waste time world building very much if at all.

[Anonymous No.20199297]

Uh oh I think that "it's all about communication" guy is back. He's as terrible as edittard

>>20198848
100% on board with this anon. The way I conceptualize Telling now is as an accelerator pedal. You need to be slow (descriptive experiential showing) during interesting bits and hit the gas whenever things are threatening to get dull until you see something interesting again.

>>20198641
I'd read this book so I guess you are a writer's writer my good man.

[Anonymous No.20199298]

>>20199284
brother thats fine if you have the time to go back and edit it, but if you are posting online then you are going to go 100k+ words and have so many loose ends...

[Anonymous No.20199300]

>>20199258
>y'all
>faggot
Tell that to some good ol' boys in the South.
I'm sure they'll give your opinion the consideration it deserves.

[Anonymous No.20199308]

>>20199297
Makes sense like that to me too. I'm using a lot of tell in the current part of my story because we just got past the big fight scene so I need to speed through the boring peace talks to the party where MC meets the girl that sets off the rest of his life.

[Anonymous No.20199309]

>>20199297
>communication guy
Seethe. I've written 2500 words so far today, and will probably have 6000 before this chapter is over.
My technique works.
You won't even try it, because you think you know everything.

[Anonymous No.20199322]

>>20199300
Except you're not from the south. You're a disgusting newfag and you should leave.

[Anonymous No.20199327]

>>20199322
As soon as I see you offer some USEFUL advice, I can take my leave.
So get to it.
Or just sit and spin.

[Anonymous No.20199341]

>>20199309
Honest question, how many posts have you made in this thread? I've noticed a lot of frogposting with the same stilted speaking pattern and its annoying me

[Anonymous No.20199342]

Has anyone here successfully written a book yet?

[Anonymous No.20199349]

>>20199342
I've got 4 done. 3 are published, 4th is in beta reading

[Anonymous No.20199350]

>>20199274
>litrpg
I don't need to read it to know that it's uninspired and badly written.

[Anonymous No.20199357]

>>20199342
I haven't even written a word today

[Anonymous No.20199359]

>>20199341
Stilted? Just because my language extends beyond juvenile text-message patois?
Frogposting...on 4chan...how rare and unusual.
And I have no idea how many posts I have, nor do I care to count.
If you don't like what I post, then ignore it.

[Anonymous No.20199382]

>>20199359
Please add a trip and I will. Please understand I'm not trying to be rude when i say that, I think it would be for the best.

[Anonymous No.20199388]

>>20199145
I'll give it some thought.

[Anonymous No.20199418]

>>20199382
No trip for me...I'm not a joiner.

[Anonymous No.20199423]

>>20199298
>so many loose ends...
does your memory suck or something? how many loose ends do you imagine you're going to have
>if you have the time to edit it
you'll spend more time editing than drafting the first time I promise you. if you want it to be any good, that is

[Anonymous No.20199439]

>>20199357
I tried as well but my brain is constipated. I think I'm just excited to get to the good part of the story.

[Anonymous No.20199454]

>>20199439
Then go write the good part of the story!
There's no rule that you have to write the story in linear order.
That's what text editors are for...rearranging things after the fact!

[Anonymous No.20199460]

>>20199250
I read chapter one, and... Look, if you want to write this, then see it out to the end. If I could only give constructive criticism, I'd say work on your sequencing. I felt the line
>As I said earlier,
popped up too many times. And have your exposition be relevant to what's happening - the explanation of the polytheistic hierarchy would have served better at the beginning of the chapter. Finally, make the flesh's character a little more defined. He's very wishy-washy on obeying and defying his summoner and seems way to relaxed about being transported to a new world.

[Anonymous No.20199495]

Bros I think I'm gonna take the plunge and use BookSirens

[Anonymous No.20199541]

>>20199495
Looks like an inexpensive way to get reviews.
How have I not heard of this before?

[Anonymous No.20199550]

>>20198641
They just love it. That's probably the reason the rabbi's first thought about doing it. They saw how much their women lost their minds, how they couldn't get enough, and the first thing that popped into their small hat wearing little heads was: god must disapprove of this. That's probably how it started, but the reason it continued after that was their women had to look around for some nice, primo, non-mutilated schlong to get their fix. So while their husband was out swindling some poor arabs out of a couple camels during the day they're busy sucking it down. Then when he comes home they get to kiss him full on the mouth and he gets to taste just a hint. Pops a boner right there. What rotten people. If someone were putting together a list of why they should be wiped off this little blue-green marble that particular inclination of theirs would be one of the reasons high on the list.
Anyway, her name turned out to be Talia. She invited me to visit her boyfriend, some hedge fund broker across the river in Jersey, and she said she'd put in a good word for the interview.

[Anonymous No.20199553]

>>20198222
>>20198230
>>20198232
>>20198253
>>20198351
>>20199077
>>20199111
>>20199119
>>20199129
>>20199136
>>20199141
>>20199145
>>20199151
>>20199155
>>20199175
>>20199235
>>20199279
>>20199300
>>20199309
>>20199359
>>20199418
>>20199454
>>20199541
All (You)?

[Anonymous No.20199558]

>>20199460
>I read chapter one, and... Look, if you want to write this, then see it out to the end
I honestly don't think I can write 100+ chapters of this.

[Anonymous No.20199578]

>>20199357
I'll start once I decide to write in either 1st person or 3rd person.

[Anonymous No.20199613]

>>20199558
Then don't. Make it a short dumb story.

[Anonymous No.20199617]

>>20197612
>Lets her male pet dog lick her on the mouth
Imagine being such an incel that the sex of the dog matters to you

[Anonymous No.20199625]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UoEbfz3BlmlvT1he2ZJtglccvBVfK0WwB_wtUM83NBs/edit?usp=sharing

A friend of mine recolored some artwork that served as as reference for one of my main characters, Amara!

Update: I've finally arrived at a section I've been really excited to write and I am actually enjoying dialogue a lot more than I thought I did.

[Anonymous No.20199635]

>>20199625
Make her flat.

[Anonymous No.20199653]

>>20199635
Her attractiveness isn't really meant to be anything other than a bit disarming, it's not central to her character or identity. I did like the idea of her being decidedly cute, and a bit of a barfly outside of her otherwise very polished professional life.

[Anonymous No.20199659]

>>20199653
I can't read this. Fix your commas

[Anonymous No.20199660]

>>20199653
Make.
Her.
Flat.

[Anonymous No.20199687]

>>20199625
>ctrl + f pussy
>0 of 0
>ctrl + f cunt
>0 of 0
>ctrl + f cock
>2 of 2
oh, okay
>cocktail
>cockney
bro, what are you doing bro? stop playing with it

[Anonymous No.20199689]

>>20199660
(She’s not meant to be busty, I referenced the art more for the face/hair/horns and had a friend alter the color to match the skin tone I wrote her to have, so she can be flat yes)

[Anonymous No.20199695]

>>20199541
I just found out about it a few weeks ago. I'm looking to make this self publishing push for this book as hard as I can to see where it gets me. If it gets me nowhere, oh well, but I still want to try.

[Anonymous No.20199723]

>>20199625
>one of my main characters, Amara!
You took one of MY main character's names. I see we'll have to be brothers from now on.

[Anonymous No.20199725]

>>20199250
yes, though the bar is very low.
>>20198230
I can get most of the details in, but i'm struggling to first make the reader empathize with the character before i'm finished doling out her level of depravity.

[Anonymous No.20199731]

>>20199617
>you let your male dog lick your mouth?
Noted.

[Anonymous No.20199738]

>>20199553
living rent free in your head

[Anonymous No.20199782]

>>20199553

[Anonymous No.20199823]

>>20199550
List of Reasons to Exterminate the Jews
1. Disloyal women
2. Circumcision
3. Stealing camels

Back at Red on Red everything was going pretty much as expected. Open bar at a tax dodge made for some strange bedfellows and the artiste was nowhere to be found. Taking a final drink for the road before someone drunkenly pulled a fire alarm was probably the right call. On my way out I pulled the fire alarm to get ahead of the game.
The night was still young so I decided to head over the Sonny's. Light snow had left slush on every corner and by the time I got over there my feet had started to soak through. Sonny was a, how do they say it, a mensch. Sonny was the closest thing I had to family around here. He liked to wear wife beaters to show off his swastika tattoo. 1488. He was a real mensch.

[Hey so this started as a lark but I can probably turn it into a novella. I'm thinking about calling it Sabbos Goy in the Big City. Basically some guy gets hired by these jews and becomes their shabbos goy. I get to talk about the wires the jews put all over NYC to make it all considered "their home" so they can avoid sabbath rules as well as other stuff. What do you think?]

[Anonymous No.20199857]

>>20199250
>a small little girl said
yeah, you'll be alright

[Anonymous No.20199880]

I wrote this first chapter with the intention of building up some of the mystery of the setting but even after two rewrites I'm feeling like I've jumped the gun. Penny for your thoughts, /wg/?

https://files.catbox.moe/1elm6h.pdf

[Anonymous No.20199896]

>>20199723
A man of culture I see

[Anonymous No.20199911]

>>20199723
u stole my idea 2 write a story!
i demand punative damage!

[Anonymous No.20199938]

>>20199782
Look at the pic file naming conventions numbnuts, it's the same guy spamming the thread. I don't mind people posting often but cluster responses within a single post at least.

That or get a trip so I don't have to see it.

[Anonymous No.20199974]

Does this passage match this picture?

>The stagecoach stopped in front of a clubhouse. There was a small sign mounted in front. It was disappointingly small, barren, and plain. The wooden building was no larger than the buildings back in China. The wooden floorboards frayed from use and rot. Two large red paper lanterns adorned and hung from the awning above. Four men occupied the deck. Two of them sat on the makeshift bench in front of the window, another leaned against a large post, and the fourth was the stagecoach driver standing in front of the doorway. Fei-Ming observed how the slabs curved from the weight of the stagecoach driver. This building was nothing close to what he heard.

>The buildings were supposed to be grander than the palaces of the Imperial City. Buildings were built using the finest wood and painted with gold, even Emperor Tong-Zhi would stop and marvel at the architecture. Fei-Ming once overheard an American woman back in China tell three young girls how gold was so plentiful that they could pick up gold coins directly on the streets. He never did see Mei, Sui, and Lei again.

[Anonymous No.20199990]

>>20199250
This is kind of funny. It's like a parody of isekai and LITRPGs. I have to admit the premise of the Summoner/Goddess being the Villain is intriguing

[Anonymous No.20200005]

>>20199938
That was the file format for https://www.purexclydey.com/xdd/uploads/rare%20pepe/ .
Announced here:
https://thebarchive.com/b/thread/867602126

[Anonymous No.20200016]

>>20200005
Alternate source, still working: https://rare-pepe.com/

[Anonymous No.20200035]

>>20199974
I got rid of the bottom paragraph. There's no need for the Prostitution line in the end yet.

[Anonymous No.20200081]

>>20198741
Melville has entire chapters just telling you about places and whales in Moby Dick.

[Anonymous No.20200133]

>>20199880
The beginning's awkward. Cut it out and just start from the first main paragraph

[Anonymous No.20200146]

>>20199880
so much better then my writing, I might as well off myself.
How long did it take to make though?

[Anonymous No.20200191]

we just pulled a 4k night! we might celebrate tomorrow with a pizza!

[Anonymous No.20200250]

>>20200146
It took me about two weeks to write and be happy with, though I've had life stuff to deal with.
Don't talk like that though, anon, you're always your own worst critic. I posted that chapter fully expecting to get hit with a laundry list of why it's garbage.

>>20200133
Cheers, though one of my largest challenges is still writing enough to fill out the chapter without the awkward filler.

[Anonymous No.20200301]

What do we think of cyborg monstrosities? I think they're fun.
>Behind them (military trucks) came the loping form of a Stone Jaguar, striking fear into his heart like he was a mouse confronted with a well-fed and cruel tabby cat.
>Standing twenty feet tall at the shoulder, every inch of the thing evoked ancient craftmanship of stylish stone, like it was a statue come to murderous life. Its empty machine eyes glowed a baleful green, and Armon remembered from his training to never look straight into them lest he be struck with their old technological witchcraft. It was better to focus on its perpetually grimacing mouth where an energy projector was hidden behind clenched teeth, capable of outright killing a man at close range and inducing all manner of aggressive cancers from further away.
>This was a thing from the far south designed before the Fall; equal parts machine and synthetic flesh, engineered to wreak havoc in more than a dozen known variants. It was a thing of horror, meant to terrify potential invaders of the South Americas out of their wits, and possibly to quell resistance. There were many other constructs like it, but this was one of the few that ever left South America, being simple enough to capture if a unit knew what they were doing and willing to accept some casualties. Confederate command had never figured out who had originally designed them, or for what purpose. Looking at its huge teeth and claws from his hiding place, Armon got the message it brought loud and clear: ‘Anyone who can build these is not to be fucked with.’
>This one, however, appeared to have been damaged. Its left side, the one facing them, had been torn up somehow. The damaged flank dripped a vile mixture of green sludge and bright blood from a makeshift repair job where the two fluids mixed. The stench of it was enough to make Armon’s eyes water from where he lay, like somebody had skunk-sprayed a wet cat and then set it on fire.

[Anonymous No.20200313]

>didn't make a single sale today on KDP
What do?

[Anonymous No.20200321]

>>20200301
The creature in my draft >>20199880 uses any matter it can get its hands on in the immediate environment to bulk itself up and blend in when idly hunting. I have a lazy footnote of an idea where if I ever go forward with a time-hop side-lot they'll have integrated laser cannons and flamethrowers, like the Cyberdemon from nuDoom. What's the source of your passage? It sounds epic.

[Anonymous No.20200326]

>>20200313
You did market it before release, right? You did build twitter followers and provide them content, right?

[Anonymous No.20200338]

>>20200321
It's my own work, not really done yet.

[Anonymous No.20200345]

>>20200326
tik tok...

[Anonymous No.20200369]

>>20200016
I'm sure you're right it must have been 7 different anons all posting with pepes from that same site, using it's standard file naming convention, at the same time, all on posts with the same stilted writing style in a general that until last thread had like two pepe pics per thread that all had random 4chan downloaded gibberish number names.

[Anonymous No.20200376]

>>20200191
I bought a pizza tonight. I thoroughly regret my decision.

[Anonymous No.20200381]

anyone know some good exercises for brainstorming a strong premise? come to realise all my attempts to write a story fall flat because i'm only starting from an idea of a character or setting, not a fully fleshed premise.

[Anonymous No.20200395]

>>20200338
Excited to see it, then. Good luck anon, extremely solid from what I've seen.

[Anonymous No.20200426]

>>20200381
just look around you and see what's going on. I'm writing the 1870's Chinaman story because of the racism against asians today.

[Anonymous No.20200471]

>>20200369
Is there some reason you're so wound up about this?
Did you find the offered advice to be off the mark or something?
Do I have to conform to your wishes or something?
Are you paying me to do that?
If not...take your pseud jihad elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.20200484]

>>20194371
Another 5,150 words today, for a total of 45,600!
I'd keep writing, but I'm really sleepy.
It feels good to have my novel outlined to the point where it spills out so effortlessly!

[Anonymous No.20200491]

>>20200484
what's it about?

[Anonymous No.20200496]

None of my characters have a voice. They do have motivations and flaws, many flaws, but they have no depth beyond that. All my writing is just "wooden coverage" of events, my language is utterly pedestrian and lacking any themes beyond what busybodies might interpret between the lines.
Character x goes to place a. They meet character y. A conversation ensues, during which character y implies and x infers. Violence erupts. Character x then goes to place b to meet character z, the process repeats.
I am a captive of my own inadequacy. I'm a pulp writer. One day I will escape it. Today is not that day. Today I will write more garbage, because I still enjoy the dead end

[Anonymous No.20200517]

>>20200496
I can't even get my character to do anything. I create him, but I don't know what next so I describe the clouds.

[Anonymous No.20200520]

>>20200496
It's not difficult to give your characters depth.
At the core of any character are a set of values.
Those values lead to a set of priorities.
Those priorities tend to match up, or conflict, with the priorities of other characters, leading to drama and tension.
A character arc happens when a value transforms into a different one over a period of time, or after a singular event.
You can expand this, and make it more complex, but these are the basics.

[Anonymous No.20200521]

>>20200517
Clouds can be anything. What kind of clouds are they? Cirrus? Cumulus? Nimbus?

[Anonymous No.20200535]

>>20200491
I call it a "ludicrous mystery".
It has the form of a normal mystery, but instead of angry, tense details, they're as silly and bizarre as possible.
I leave enough clues to figure out whodunit, and it's logically constructed in the strictest sense, but good luck trying to unravel the lunacy.

[Anonymous No.20200537]

>>20200517
One of my characters forced another character to eat a pancake drenched in cum.

[Anonymous No.20200543]

>>20200521
I'm aware of that, and it's not what I struggle with. I struggle with actually telling stories. I just don't know what happens. How does anyone know what happens? There just guys who go around like Odysseus and ... anon, thank you ... I just figured it all out ... it's all just big adventures ... there are just guys going around and things happen and its all a lot of fun ... like Oedipus ... he was just a guy existing and the prophesy moved him through the world and did things to him ... made things happen ... its so simple ... just write cool things ... or bad things for a tragedy ... and just ...... have a good time? Plot is so simple bros

[Anonymous No.20200544]

>>20200537
I take it you're not shooting for the New York Times best seller list.

[Anonymous No.20200548]

>>20200537
Fine thats ok

[Anonymous No.20200549]

>>20200535
I hope the mystery is childlike. Like it's them trying to discover who stole the cookies from the cookie jar. What's the secret they're trying to discover?

[Anonymous No.20200554]

>>20200549
>What's the secret they're trying to discover?
>who stole the cookies from the cookie jar
you said it yourself

[Anonymous No.20200563]

>>20200549
No, it's an actual murder mystery...and the "children" involved are adult-sized...but the details are still ludicrous.
Many adults are naturally ludicrous. I focus on such people.

[Anonymous No.20200565]

>>20200544
My Shabbos Goy story is going to end with him getting an article published in the NYT. It'll happen because their urbane sense of humor will assume everything he's doing and saying is out of some sort of post ironic irony. I think that'll make for a fitting ending, just the title on the front page of the NYT.

[Anonymous No.20200591]

>>20200565
So its interaction with the New York Times is purely fictional.
That sounds about right.
Good luck with your plan.

[Anonymous No.20200595]

>>20200535
Can you post an excerpt?

[Anonymous No.20200613]

>>20200543
Plots can be randomly generated!
I've used the one in the Pathfinder 1E version of "Tome Of Secrets", which starts on page 173.
You roll a pair of 2 8-sided dice five times, and fill out "The main characters must [DO] [SOMETHING], at [LOCATION], but have to contend with [COMPLICATIONS] while being confronted by [OPPOSITION]".
That gives one 2^30 writing prompts, i.e. just over a billion.
The plot doesn't matter much as how you realize it!

[Anonymous No.20200620]

>>20200613
how perfectly retarded, sweet anon. I love you. and I agree

[Anonymous No.20200638]

/wg/, which sounds like the more enjoyable character

>twitchy, manic simp of a conspiracy theorist
>happy-go-lucky idiot out of touch with reality

[Anonymous No.20200660]

>>20200591
I look forward to reading your stories as well.

[Anonymous No.20200672]

>>20200638
The second has been done a lot more, so go for the conspiracy simp

[Anonymous No.20200674]

>post story
>Anon tells me it's complete utter shit and I should just kys
>Everything is bad and stupid as fuck
>Haven't touched my story in a week
>Completely dejected
>Still can't find motivation to continue
How do I deal with crippling rejection

[Anonymous No.20200677]

>>20200672

[Anonymous No.20200679]

>>20200674
By not writing, like you’ve been doing.

[Anonymous No.20200684]

>>20200674
Everything you ill always be shit if you don't keep working to improve

[Anonymous No.20200700]

>>20200679
>>20200684
Yes but even the concept, characters and plot were all bad.

[Anonymous No.20200726]

>>20200700
So you know what to improve!

[Anonymous No.20200728]

>>20200700
Then don’t write. What’s the issue.

[Anonymous No.20200736]

>>20200638
write the zoomer, there are too many boomers.

>>20197612
you forgot
>morbidly obese

[Anonymous No.20200784]

>>20197291
Hi guys, I posted the first chapter of a story on here a couple months ago and you said it was decent, so I kept going and I'm up to ten chapters now (~20k words). Figured I'd check in again to see if it still holds up. Misogynistic jackass gets isekai'd and slowly rebuilds his strength through the power of weightlifting and nutrition.

It's already banned on spacebattles - one of the mods called it an "incel manifesto".
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/51278/summoned-to-another-world-is-this-a-love-dungeon

[Anonymous No.20200788]

>>20200784
>It's already banned on spacebattles - one of the mods called it an "incel manifesto".
Link or it didn’t happen.

[Anonymous No.20200805]

>>20200788
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/summoned-to-another-world-is-this-a-love-dungeon.997280/page-2

[Anonymous No.20200809]

>>20200788
alright, it was only "locked"... same shit. They're not going to unlock it.

[Anonymous No.20200812]

>>20200674
Actually the feedback they gave you is of the best kind you can get. If you are worth anything you will use it as motivation. Don't give up little anon

[Anonymous No.20200817]

>>20200674
>How do I deal with crippling rejection
I'm going to share a secret with you. The summary dismissal is the first layer of a critique. Every time I get a one-line shitpost critique here, I always acknowledge it and thank them for their input. Then, without qualification or excuse, I will politely ask them why they have that opinion. For example, from last thread:
>>20195882
>I hope this isn't meant to sound good.
My reply?
>It is! Why doesn't it sound good?
In this case, that anon went on to expand on his initial statement, and all it took was displaying that my feelings weren't too hurt to engage in the actual discussion that followed, which wasn't entirely useless.

Think of it this way: the dismissal is just the first layer. It can be peeled back by being a big boy and inviting further discussion. I've found that this approach does one of two things: it either provides the actual input or it causes the shitposter to double down/fuck off. At that point, I completely disregard their opinion.

When you do get an actual critique, keep in mind that everybody here is just another anon. Because we're writers, we're better at authoritatively stating our opinions and giving them that cloying "truth-feel" (I'm doing it right now) but they are just opinions. The critique always implies the critic's values. With a bit of inference, you'll be able to get a feel for how much you want to listen to any particular critic.

[Anonymous No.20200902]

>>20200381
List ideas using stream of consciousness, then combine them. Disregard pairs that fit neatly together until you find a messy pair that appeals to you.

[Anonymous No.20200969]

>>20200426
>because of the racism against asians today.
where and from whom

[Anonymous No.20200986]

how many times can i make write scenes or jokes involving cute girls pissing themselves before it becomes obvious to the reader its a fetish thing?

[Anonymous No.20201048]

>>20200986
once. maybe twice. they better be funny or they'll know the first time.

[Anonymous No.20201127]

>After the body of a runaway girl is found on the outback property of billionaire finance savant and political kingmaker Norman Redstone, the presumed suicide case is left to a highly volatile former special forces operator turned lowly regional highway patrolman by the name of "Mad" Mike Colby. Overcoming resistance from the locals, the staff of a strange VIP ‘detox and wellness retreat’ owned by Redstone, and even his own commanding officers, Colby descends into a seedy world of filth, violence and his own demons, culminating in a discovery so monumentally dark it may bring down Australia's power elite and cost him his life.
does this sound like something? would you want to read it?

[Anonymous No.20201216]

>>20200674
I've stopped asking for critique unless the work is finished and has had a few editing passes. Even good crit is weirdly demotivating if I'm still working on a story, but even bad crit motivates me to improve once I'm onto the next.

[Anonymous No.20201236]

>>20201127
>does this sound like something?
It sounds like a collection of events that occur to some fictional characters who all possess characteristics like "being a human being," and "having names by which they can be told apart from one another." I note that there is only one character named "Mad" Mike Colby. This is good, because if there were two characters named "Mad" Mike Colby, it would be difficult to tell them apart from one another.
>would you want to read it?
Didn't I, just now? I could have sworn I read the names and the places and the events that occur. Wait... maybe there's more to writing than that! Maybe—just maybe—none of what you've written matters for shit. I bet that if it were written extremely well, it wouldn't matter if Norman Redstone were named Bill Qualqo and a women's suffrage activist instead of a political kingmaker.

Maybe try writing something that's actually good, first! Then, ask for feedback later, once you've actually written it. This is the WRITING general thread, not the IDEAS GUY thread, my man.

[Anonymous No.20201455]

>>20201236
Damn dude what's your deal, the guy is just trying to get an opinion.

>>20201127
It sounds interesting enough to read as the plot for a movie on Netflix targeted at middle aged women, if that's saying anything.

[Anonymous No.20201463]

>>20198741
But the whole point of the advice is that you don't waste time and pages telling separately what can be conveyed organically as part of the narrative. Why can't you retards understand this?

[Anonymous No.20201491]

>>20201463
you're the retard here, it's the opposite

[Anonymous No.20201521]

>>20200784
brother you have to keep a constant update schedule otherwise it won't get popular!

[Anonymous No.20201527]

I'm moving to my first home today and it's out in a place with lots of quiet. The constant annoyances these past few years made my writing sound really angry before editing. I can deal with managing house issues but dozens of barking dogs and drunk neighbors make me seethe. Anyone else trying to find a more quiet place for reading and writing?

[Anonymous No.20201557]

>>20200805
Oops! We ran into some problems.
The requested thread could not be found.

[Anonymous No.20201580]

>>20200471
>Did you find the offered advice to be off the mark or something?
Yes.
>Is there some reason you're so wound up about this?
Your posts made up about a quarter of the 100ish post thread at that point cluttering it up and making it die faster and making it visually a mess as a reader unsure if I'm reading posts by the same person (an important distinction when I disagree with you on so much).

It also puts my nuts in a twist is that you had the balls to imply that the pics came from a website and they could have been from anyone.
>Do I have to conform to your wishes or something?
I'm just asking you to respond to multiple posts in a single post so as to not spam the hell out of the thread. Barring that add a trip so I can avoid reading your philosophizing even easier.

>>20201527
Looking to move out to the country next fall to Southern Virginia or the Carolinas - so tired of constant noise pollution and humanity. There is one legitimately insane guy who lives with his mom down the street that is into those loud ass mufflers - people like that belong on a cross.

Would be impossibly comfy to write with nothing but trees and mountains in sight.

[Anonymous No.20201596]

>>20201491
First reads like an observation from the protagonist, second reads like an impartial narrator. I never noticed that before. Is it possible that what seems to be telling is used by good writers to show what their character is thinking?

[Anonymous No.20201606]

>>20201527
I work nights at a ski resort. My shifts can sometimes get busy in the winter for obvious reasons, but are otherwise extremely quiet. In the off-season I can go weeks or even months without talking to a human being. It's heavenly. Plus, I can drive up to the top once the snow's melted to watch the sunrise. Peace AND quiet.

[Anonymous No.20201607]

>>20201580
The Carolinas are good but keep in mind they are getting more and more populated and louder as people move there. If you want a 3 bedroom house be prepared to offer 20% over asking 24 hours after listing or you wont get it, and cash buyers are everywhere. There's low inventory so you dont have many choices, but 2 bedroom houses are way easier to get.

[Anonymous No.20201727]

>>20200969
In the story or today?

[Anonymous No.20201748]

>>20197291
can someone paypal me 11 bucks so I can get something published?

[e-mail]

[Anonymous No.20201761]

>>20201748
Get a job. How the hell do you not have $11?

[Anonymous No.20201764]

>>20201748
>82
>39 years old
>doesn't have $11
professional writer spotted

[Anonymous No.20201793]

>>20201748
This must be the most bargain bin vanity publisher in the world.
What does $11 even get you? Does he print out half a dozen stickers and vandalize random cars with them?

[Anonymous No.20201840]

>>20201727
today

[Anonymous No.20201852]

>>20201840
White on Asian crime. It's always been white on Asian crimes.

[Anonymous No.20201882]

>>20201761
I'm unemployed currently due to the job market

[Anonymous No.20201887]

>>20201852
Is there a Chinese version of buckbreaking? Blacks have a clear historical reasoning for trooning out but Chinese don't seem to.

[Anonymous No.20201915]

>>20197468
i would pay for your book just to burn it

[Anonymous No.20201937]

>>20200620
Alternately, you could pull a Hollywood, and take plots from existing movies.
https://www.cracked.com/pictofacts-63-17-famous-movies-that-ripped-off-from-lesser-known-films
https://www.cracked.com/article_24285_5-movies-that-didnt-even-realize-they-were-remakes.html
https://www.cracked.com/pictofacts-689-20-movies-that-inadvertently-ripped-off-other-films
https://www.cracked.com/article_20439_7-classic-movies-that-are-shameless-ripoffs.html
https://www.cracked.com/article_19710_6-movies-inadvertently-remade-as-other-movies.html

[Anonymous No.20201938]

Is "act of humanity" a proper expression? As in "helping people in need as an act of humanity". I'm struggling with the word "humanity" because doesn't this basically mean "mankind"?

[Anonymous No.20201940]

>>20200674
Toughen up. If your writing ever gets noticed in the real world, you'll get much more withering criticism.
This pastime isn't for wusses.

[Anonymous No.20201945]

>>20200700
Have you seen the crap that actually ends up on TV and in movies?
One way I inspire myself to write is to deliberately watch bad stuff.
MST3K and Rifftrax are great for this.
After a while, I can't help but get a fire lit under my ass, and I run off to write.

[Anonymous No.20201949]

>>20201938
yes, it works. so long as you have it properly contextualize, i doubt many people will read "an act of humanity" and get confused as to what is being implied.

[Anonymous No.20201956]

>>20201748
Amazon KDP doesn't charge a thing to self-publish a book.

[Anonymous No.20201962]

>>20201882
The job market is soaring here in America.
I know restaurants that haven't gone back to in-person dining due to lack of people.

[Anonymous No.20201964]

>>20201940
There's nothing scarier than reading 1-star reviews of things you think are good

[Anonymous No.20201972]

>>20201938
Humanity is a word like humanitarian, being applied to the wellbeing of your fellow man

[Anonymous No.20202013]

>>20201852
>White on Asian crime. It's always been white on Asian crimes.
source? All I can find is black on asian crime

>In a list compiled of all of the attacks on Asians in the US where the offender was known and reported, most of the perpetrators of the crimes were black Americans. The most vicious attack of them all, a mass stabbing of an Asian family at a Sam’s Club supermarket, was carried out by a Hispanic man.

[Anonymous No.20202032]

>>20200986
Another man of culture in this thread I see.

[Anonymous No.20202042]

>>20201964
Reviewers aren't the gatekeepers they used to be.
Keep in mind, "critically acclaimed" is code for "no one read it".
Shoot for writing that sells, not that gets fellated by self-important critics.

[Anonymous No.20202048]

>>20202042
But the things that sell are crap like Danielle Steele and Lee Child

[Anonymous No.20202054]

>>20202048
My point is, don't focus on critics, focus on sales.
Do you want to make a living from your writing, or gain the approval of a bunch of feckless propellerheads?

[Anonymous No.20202058]

>>20202054
What if I want to gain the approval of the ages?

[Anonymous No.20202061]

>>20202058
Then disregard both critics and sales and focus on yourself. Not that anon, by the way. Incidentally, everyone should try to focus on their own tastes more than sales or critical approval. Literature as a whole would be in a much better place, if not for the I DUN GOTS MINE types who've ruined the entire medium with fruit pandering to the economics of art.

[Anonymous No.20202093]

>>20202058
Then pull a Todd Rundgren.
He had exactly two hit songs -- "Bang The Drums" and "Hello, It's Me", with which he made gobs of money.
He spent the rest of his career churning out bizarre, experimental, noncommercial material.

[Anonymous No.20202159]

>>20202093
You don't just "pull a Todd Rundgren" with literature. It can take sometimes fifteen minutes to write a song. It comes in a burst of inspiration. You can even just hire session musicians, cut the track in a day, then let the engineers handle the rest. They aren't the same.

[Anonymous No.20202165]

>>20202093
Can you post some of your writing so we know who's giving these sermons?

[Anonymous No.20202209]

>>20202159
Sure you can. Write a book intended to be popular and make a lot of money. Then spend the rest of your time writing what you think will "gain the approval of the ages".

>>20202165
What sermons? I'm just offering advice.
Feel free to offer competing advice to the same anons.
Or you could continue to do nothing to try to help, and seethe at the ones making an effort.

[Anonymous No.20202220]

So results of my two day free promo are:

114 copies ordered
141 KU pages read

I mean, I've sold two at regular price over the last three months, so at least it's out there. Haven't got any new reviews yet, but maybe when they finish reading. I've still got another 3 days of free promo, maybe I'll do it in June.

[Anonymous No.20202232]

>>20202220
If you post the URL here, you might get more orders and reviews.

[Anonymous No.20202234]

>>20201887
Manchus buckbroke the Han by making them wear the queue

[Anonymous No.20202236]

>>20202232
This picture has some serious zen aura

[Anonymous No.20202258]

>>20202232
Did the other day. It's on the author pastebin.

[Anonymous No.20202273]

>>20202209
Not him but stop talking shit and post a writing sample of at least 1k words.

[Anonymous No.20202277]

>>20201887
>buckteeth breaking

[Anonymous No.20202422]

>>20202273
In what way am I "talking shit"?
Are you saying my advice is bad?

[Anonymous No.20202454]

>>20202422
>Are you saying my advice is bad?
Post your writing and we'll see the product of that advice.

[Anonymous No.20202478]

>>20202454
So you're incapable of judging it on your own?
My advice can only help people that have writing chops to begin with; it can't create talent in the untalented.
But it may remove common barriers people encounter when they try to create.
I could just be a talentless idiot with a mighty quiver of helpful tools, doing nothing but casting my lameness in sharper relief.
Besides, I see what happens to people that post their fiction here. No thanks.

[Anonymous No.20202480]

>>20199250
good, a little bit too much dialogue for me to the point where it feels kinda like a play, you know? good for RR though... everything on there sucks

[Anonymous No.20202523]

>>20202013
That's violent racism. Whites do all the micro aggression such as taking spots away in colleges for lessers, chink eyes face, claim stupid shit like Asians torture dogs to eat, dropping pans to claim that's how the language is like, make fun of accents, and other shit thats just rude. For a race that prides itself on respect and honor they certainly don't practice what the preach.

[Anonymous No.20202534]

>>20202480
Son of a bitch.... Alright I'm going for the RR money

[Anonymous No.20202542]

>>20202523

Asians abandoned their own homelabds to live in the shadow of whites and are therefore worthy of contempt. If even Adians don't want to live in a country full of Asians, what makes you think I do?

[Anonymous No.20202558]

>>20202542
Can say the same for whites.
>My county is overcrowded and shit
>Migrate to some far off land
>This place is better.
Too much /pol/ for you

[Anonymous No.20202567]

>>20202480
6k for an ESL Chinaman story. God fucking damnit p

[Anonymous No.20202603]

>>20202523
Weak bait.

[Anonymous No.20202612]

>>20202523
>Whites do all the micro aggression such as taking spots away in colleges for lessers, chink eyes face, claim stupid shit like Asians torture dogs to eat, dropping pans to claim that's how the language is like, make fun of accents, and other shit thats just rude.
do you have any evidence to back this up or is it simply your own observations and feelings? seems like you're just some racist loser who seeks to demonize white people but ok

>>20202558
not comparable since in your example whites didn't migrate to non-white countries, they conquered other continents and created their own countries there.

[Anonymous No.20202622]

>>20202478
>So you're incapable of judging it on your own?
Yes? If the advice comes from a good writer then that gives me extra information.
Some advice is hard to judge until you've actually followed it, or unless you can look at someone who followed it—and if your only example is a musician then it seems doubtful. If it's a good advice for writers then there should be a bunch of writers you could name instead.

[Anonymous No.20202648]

Shoo shoo Chinaman. Literature should not be an excuse to farm social credit.
https://youtu.be/rbHxeOQA1Mc

[Anonymous No.20202652]

>>20202603
You say that but I got this idiot
>>20202612

[Anonymous No.20202661]

>>20202652
hard to tell these days with asian masculinity posters lurking about

[Anonymous No.20202665]

>>20202480
I wonder if its luck or talent, but man is he living the life if he enjoys writing...

[Anonymous No.20202668]

>Novel is ((finished)) and edited
>Query letter is drafted
>list of agents prepared in a word doc so I can keep track of my submissions and agent replies
>absolutely fucking ready to go
>too much of a pussy to actually do it
Fucking christ what's wrong with me. I'm fucking nervous as shit about all the pressure and stress about to come my way the moment I send my shit out. And it's not just about possible rejections either, but fucking acceptances.
Because if someone accepts it, then that means oh fuck this is actually fucking happening and even though I'm prepared for it IDK if I'm actually fucking ready.
Like what if I get a shitty agent? What if by some miracle I get more than one offer and have to fucking choose?
FML I hate being a sad anxiety driven cunt

[Anonymous No.20202678]

>>20202612
You really go on /pol/ too much even your initial question about "today's" racism. It was so obvious you wanted to bait me with black on asian violence, I had to flip it on you. And behold so typical with the offense you're now going on and on about whites being conquerers. Whites don't even like other whites. And Asians don't like other Asians. Which is the heart of the story.

[Anonymous No.20202688]

>>20202048
My mom is a Danielle Steele fan

[Anonymous No.20202736]

>>20202668
Congratulations anon!

[Anonymous No.20202737]

>>20197291
if i send my writing here will i get flamed out my mind
its not very good

[Anonymous No.20202744]

>>20202737
Depends if that one asshole is here

[Anonymous No.20202749]

>>20202558

>Migrate to some far off land

We built countries. Enjoy your gutter oil, low trust sociopathic bug man

[Anonymous No.20202750]

>>20202737
Probably not. Even if you do there will likely be some useful advice mixed in.

[Anonymous No.20202770]

>>20202678
>"It's always been white on Asian crimes."
>point out that most hate crimes towards asians are committed by blacks
>"You really go on /pol/ too much"
lol

>you're now going on and on about whites being conquerers
I merely pointed out that your analogy is retarded since whites didn't migrate to other countries. But yeah, if you think that white people correcting you is a racist white on asian micro aggression then I can see why youd think that "It's always been white on Asian crimes."

[Anonymous No.20202782]

>>20202523
>claim stupid shit like Asians torture dogs to eat
Check out the rekt threads on /b/ and you'll be inundated with evidence of exactly that.

[Anonymous No.20202794]

>>20202622
So my advice is worthless unless it comes from an "expert"?
Ugh...you Zoomers really are the worst.
You're a disgrace to childhood itself.
Here's a startling concept for you...THINK FOR YOURSELF. MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS.

[Anonymous No.20202804]

>>20202688
selling my newest book, and my first book

paypal me @ [e-mail]

Neo-Radicalism - a polemical piece about revolution, statecraft and god himself. worth a read!

Obliteration Of The World (essays, references and correspondences 2018-2022) - a collection of my essays, literary references, poetry, and correspondences for four years.

[Anonymous No.20202805]

>>20202794
>thinking for yourself means listening to me without questioning
Nice try bub but it's not gonna fly

[Anonymous No.20202809]

>>20202744
And it's safe to ignore him...he's a mindless seether.

[Anonymous No.20202813]

>>20202770
See
>>20202749
> if you think that white people correcting you is a racist white on asian micro aggression
It wasn't a correction. He clearly wanted to bait me into blacks attacking Asians today. It's so stupidly obvious that I had to take a left wing view point and bait him back. And he fell for it. Look at his posts.
>Gutter oil
>Sociopath
>Asians have no civilization
Holy shit he really did fall for all the propaganda.

[Anonymous No.20202818]

>>20202794
>shittalks the entire thread
>people get sick of it
>they tell you to nut up or shut up
>b-baka you don't understand I'm a genius in my own mind
just fuck off already

[Anonymous No.20202820]

>>20202805
I never asked anyone to listen to me without questioning.
I hate to say this, but...I think you're beyond help.

[Anonymous No.20202826]

>>20202782
Stupid. So the white girl throwing puppies into the river or the whites eating roadkill or be drunken hooligans is a accurate portrayal of an entire race and civilization?

Haven't you learned anything the past 4 years?

[Anonymous No.20202829]

>>20202820
And yet you start shitting yourself when I ask you to give an example of your advice in action. Which questions am I allowed to ask?

[Anonymous No.20202832]

>>20202818
Please point out a single example of "shit talk".

[Anonymous No.20202838]

>>20202829
That's just it...the point is for you to see what happens when you put my advice into action.
That's the only real test of its worth.
If you don't like my advice, ignore it.
It's called freedom of choice.
If you need a definition of that, try to find an old, uncensored text book.

[Anonymous No.20202842]

>>20202826
>>20202818
>>20202820
Shut the fuck up /pol/ and write your stories

[Anonymous No.20202844]

>>20202813
nah, someone pointed out that most hate crimes are black on asian and then you got upset since that challenged your "It's always been white on Asian crimes." narrative

like just shut the fuck up you dumb retard, why are you still talking

[Anonymous No.20202847]

>>20202838
Has anyone else put your advice into action? If so I wanna see the result so I can decide if it's worth my time.
If nobody has put your advice into action, not even you, then I think I'll choose of my own free will to ignore it.

[Anonymous No.20202849]

>>20202832
>Please point out a single example of "shit talk".

Anything "...oomers."

retarded /pol/ comics.

Basically everything you've posted.

[Anonymous No.20202853]

>>20202844
>nah, someone pointed out that most hate crimes are black on asian a


Mm, no. The vast majority are white. It's just a few high profile black on asian crimes hyped up by racist media and racist social media.

[Anonymous No.20202864]

>>20202853
>It's just a few high profile black on asian crimes hyped up by racist media and racist social media.

source?

also since when is media hyping up black crime? lmfao believe me, if whites were committing a disproportionate amount of hate crimes towards any other racial group, everyone would know

[Anonymous No.20202879]

>>20202849
>can't think in specifics to save his life
I meant in the advice I tried to give, not my snarky responses to your nonsense.
Wow...you need explicit instructions on how to get through a doorway, don't you.

[Anonymous No.20202880]

>>20202782
That's like saying all Canadian girls fuck their dogs

[Anonymous No.20202882]

>>20202853
In my county we have tons of triad shits scamming, defrauding, embezzling and ripping off whites, asians and blacks alike, where as Africans are only now just beginning to gang up and half ass it. But the arabs are by far the worst at the moment with their gang wars catching families in the crossfire.

[Anonymous No.20202884]

>>20202847
So you freely admit you can't think on your own, and need the crutch of self-styled "expert" opinions.
Go cry to your mommy, Zoomer.

[Anonymous No.20202892]

>OP is a picture of Obama
>Ends up in /pol/ shit flinging
He really is the divider in chief isn't he?

[Anonymous No.20202904]

>>20202884
I'll take that as a "no"
/^[0-9]{4} - [a-z]{7}\....$/i

[Anonymous No.20202913]

>>20202813

>Holy shit he really did fall for all the propaganda

Why are you even speaking a white language on a white computer network? Neither were made by you or for you.

[Anonymous No.20202915]

>>20202904
>I'll take that as a "no"
So no, you can't think on your own?
On top of everything else, you have a profound lack of self-awareness.

[Anonymous No.20202920]

>>20202904
>/^[0-9]{4} - [a-z]{7}\....$/i
Should be /^[0-9]{4} - [a-z0-9]{7}\....$/i

[Anonymous No.20202953]

>>20202920
So even his regular expressions are irregular.
Wish I could say that was a surprise.

[Anonymous No.20203055]

>>20202454
>post sample
Richard lurked in the dark, under a tree in the amphitheater behind the church. The plants did a capable job of blocking the nearby streetlights; he had a choice between several redundant murky regions. He chose the one that gave him the best view of the inside of the building.
The youth pastor assured Richard this was the day of the week Darian left the premises in full costume. The expected time for the cursed event fast approached. He hoped something would happen soon; it was the usual sweltering Tucson summer evening, and he was sweating profusely. The inside of the gay furry club would undoubtedly be air-conditioned, and he was ashamed to realize he was looking forward to any aspect of what was about to happen.
Something stirred on the stairs. Richard crouched as well as he could to try to get a better look; the dark shape was too indistinct to be identified. Richard watched as the figure left the stairs and walked to the side, an errant street light catching him for a moment. The equine head jumped out at him like a jellyfish's sting. Whether or not it was Darian, it was definitely someone in a full-headed horse outfit, and thus his target. The figure unexpectedly turned and walked toward the front door; apparently his first stop wouldn't be the parking lot.
Richard emerged from his hiding spot as quickly as he could, and waddled at full speed toward the front of the building. The corpulent latex hippo costume didn't allow much freedom of movement, and the Fleshlight shoved between his legs, terminating at the costume's bunghole, made movement even more awkward. But the youth pastor insisted it was necessary; the alternative was much worse. Richard hoped this was the evening's low point, but knew that was too much to expect; it was bound to go straight downhill from here.

[Anonymous No.20203083]

So, I checked a single sentence of mine and it's composed of 168 words and 976 characters. The Faulkner short stories will rest for a while, me thinks.

[Anonymous No.20203103]

>>20202882
>triad shits scamming
No you don't. You just have white racist hillbillies scapegoating asians for spreading covid that themselves spread, beating them up, and when a few rare black-on asian crimes occur you scapegoat the balcsk too

[Anonymous No.20203136]

>>20203055
Oh, so I write gay porn, do I?
I'm not surprised that was the first thing to leak from your fingers.
You're right; my advice probably doesn't apply to your chosen genre.

[Anonymous No.20203146]

>>20201491
The "correct" part adds a lot more information to deliberately seem wordier, retard. It has nothing to do with the principle itself

[Anonymous No.20203180]

>>20201491
There's absolutely nothing wrong with the phrasing of the one on the left. There's a place for both in stories. Additionally, the one on the right could be slightly rephrased and easily follow as the sentence after the one on the left.

[Anonymous No.20203216]

>>20203146
retard's mad

[Anonymous No.20203243]

>>20203136
you're the shitkickers guy, aren't you?

[Anonymous No.20203255]

>>20203243
I doubt it.
Shitkickers guy can’t go a single post without mentioning shitkickers.

[Anonymous No.20203372]

>>20203255
and I don't remember him handing out writing advice except "i'm canadian" and "bag of weed".

[Anonymous No.20203397]

>>20203055
He reached the street and peered around the corner; Darian was about a block away, still in sight. He lumbered after him, choosing a lilting motion, throwing each leg forward in turn, landing hard each time. The incessant hum of the city, even at night, was loud enough to conceal his footsteps. Richard watched Darian turn a corner and disappear from sight; he hobbled to that point and looked in Darian's last known direction. The streetlight revealed more detail; the horse costume, while shaped accurately, shimmered with every color of the rainbow. There was a pullover sweater tied around his waist; Richard shuddered to think what it might be hiding.

He was now across the street, about to pass by a park. Richard crossed the street to match him; that side afforded a deeper shadow. Reaching the next corner, he staggered across the street and now walked along the park, Darian only a half block away.

Richard heard something stir in the plants up ahead; Darian heard it too, for he turned to look. Without warning, he let out a loud bark, exactly in the way that horses don't, then continued walking. The response came a few seconds later: "Oh, wow...they only come out at night." That was followed shortly afterward by another gurgling utterance: "Did that really just happen?"

Richard neared the point of the disturbance; as expected, there were two homeless men nesting in the bushes. They gaped at Richard, speechless. One eyed his booze suspiciously, then threw it away; the plastic bottle bounced and caromed randomly, not shattering. As Richard passed by, he let out a loud, low growl, then went on his way. There was no response until he was almost out of earshot, as one of them whined plaintively. "I really gotta clean up my act."

[Anonymous No.20203398]

>>20203372
>politics
>shitty, surface-level writing advice
>enormous opinion of himself
crucially:
>refusal to post anything to substantiate his position as the guy who's filling a solid sixth of the thread with shitty, borderline-avatarfagging images

[Anonymous No.20203475]

>>20201491
>right
>camera
>left
>narrator

[Anonymous No.20203480]

>>20203398
>shitty, surface-level writing advice
I give simple answers because they ask simple questions.
It's not like anyone's asked for a dialectic discourse on dramaturgical dyads.

[Anonymous No.20203490]

>>20203480
post some of your creative writing. why so reticent?

[Anonymous No.20203526]

After spending days procrastinating on a scene because I couldn't think of a non-clumsy way to put it into words I told myself that nobody's gonna want to read this story anyway and rammed out something almost-acceptable. Tomorrow I'll edit it and then I can move on.
It used to be that I couldn't write without anticipating an audience, and that I wouldn't let myself write something I knew was bad. Maybe I'm maturing.

[Anonymous No.20203560]

>>20203372

He's given up on writing and is going back to selling porn

[Anonymous No.20203573]

>>20203397
Darian walked through a gate and up to a well-lit townhouse. Two other furries stood in the yard, talking to each other; both were also dressed as horses, but merely two-toned, not rainbow. One saw Darian approach. "Who loves ya, baby?" one called out. Darian's only response was a loud bark; he quickly ascended the staircase and knocked on the door. The red-and-blue horse turned to the green-and-brown one. "Well, *that* was uncalled for."
Richard swallowed hard and emerged from the shadows. The two anthropomorphic horses watched him as he approached. "Whoa, cool! Great idea!" one cheered. The other reached out to touch him as he passed. "Mmmm...so soft. I'll be up in a few minutes." Richard's stomach clenched as if he had eaten rancid raw clams served on a dirty ashtray with a hair on it. He raced up the stairway and knocked on the door.
It opened to reveal a tall, burly figure swaddled in a pastel horse outfit, but unlike the others he had seen tonight, the face was visible. His eyes lit up as he saw Richard. "Wow! It's not common to see someone dressed up as the hippo." He threw Richard a sly look. "So where the foal that's supposed to be riding you?"
Richard felt a titanic chill wash over him; either he was going into heatstroke, or he had never been more terrified in his life.
The door sentry suddenly laughed. "Hey, it's OK...you don't have to be Master Blaster. Come on in!" He stepped aside and made room; Richard felt a blast of air conditioning hit him. The reptilian portion of his brain, concerned only with basic survival, animated his legs and dragged him inside.
The living room overflowed with full-sized adults in horse costumes. Well over half of the headdresses revealed the face; Richard didn't see a single female among them. He also couldn't understand why it was just horses; was it a special themed night? Were they really that mindlessly conformist? And why were they merely chatting with each other? It seemed suspiciously innocent.

[Anonymous No.20203577]

>>20203526
Same problem here. I'll start writing something I know is bad but I'll push through it anyways to have something to come back to and refine later. It's more writing in the long haul than agonizing over every word, but it really does get you there.

[Anonymous No.20203586]

>>20203560
I don't think we can rule out he's here, doing that, right now.

[Anonymous No.20203593]

>>20203586

No ebook, no new book, and he said he was going back to selling porn last week or so.

[Anonymous No.20203610]

NEW BREAD:

>>20203605
>>20203605
>>20203605
>>20203605
>>20203605

[Anonymous No.20203611]

>>20203586

>>20167527

[Anonymous No.20203613]

>>20203610
I think you mean
>>20203603
>>20203603
>>20203603
>>20203603
>>20203603

[Anonymous No.20203616]

>>20203603
New wholemeal onions lentil loaf, fresh from the artisanal woodfire dumpster!

[Anonymous No.20203624]

>>20203610
>>20203613
>>20203616
I've never seen /wg/ make two threads before. This is some /vg/ shit

[Anonymous No.20203629]

>>20203624
You still haven't

[Anonymous No.20203642]

>>20203611
Add that to the list of things I didn't want to know.