/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.20110708]

Modern works that you think will be view as classics in the future

[Anonymous No.20110714]

paradise lost

[Anonymous No.20110837]

>>20110714
Its not even viewed as a classic now. Time's up Christcucks

[Anonymous No.20111270]

The Borgesians

[Anonymous No.20111274]

It might be Berserk. The Golden Age arc, at least. Some parts felt like brutality for it's own sake, not to express anything. It's a fucking tragedy it will never be finished by Miura.

I don't read much contemporary stuff aside from manga, so i don't know if anything worthwhile has been written in the last 20 years.

[Anonymous No.20111282]

The Remains of the Day. I'd also like to say The Unconsoled but it seems like a bit of a hard sell for most people.

[Anonymous No.20111333]

>>20110708

[Anonymous No.20111809]

>>20110837
i mean, it's fine to tell everyone you had a shitty education and have no desire to expand your incredibly dull and shrunken mind, but generally most people would just keep quiet about that instead of advertising it up front.

[Anonymous No.20111816]

>>20110708
Not literature. But yes, the standards for comic book writing are so low that this will be considered a "classic" of the medium.

[Anonymous No.20112280]

>>20111274
Recent berserk (last 5-10 years) has steadily decreased in kinoness. I still like it and will probably finish the series if Maura's son decides to continue, but it isn't what it once was.

[Anonymous No.20112306]

>>20111274
>It's a fucking tragedy it will never be finished by Miura.
the real tragedy was how bad it got after the eclipse by Miura's own hand. literally just turned into a fucking escort mission - the worst kind of mission.

[Anonymous No.20112313]

i wish i was a torturer.. i would love to brand people's soles!!

[Anonymous No.20112390]

>>20112313
You can do that anyway

[Anonymous No.20112394]

>>20112390
Where

[Anonymous No.20112404]

>>20111809
Lmao christoids still think they're culturally relevant

[Anonymous No.20112416]

>>20112394
Anywhere with people I suppose.

[Anonymous No.20112431]

>>20112416
Sometimes people let me tie them up and tickle them till they beg

[Anonymous No.20113198]

A Song of Ice and Fire

[Anonymous No.20113272]

>>20112280
>Maura's son
What son? he didn't have any children.

[Anonymous No.20113293]

>>20110708
The works of Karl Ove Knausgård

[Anonymous No.20113511]

>>20110708

[Anonymous No.20113624]

>>20110708
Berserk is actually so based. I love it how so many chuddies love it, without realizing that it completely rails against and btfo Christianity. Quite honestly, Chuds recommending and spreading Berserk to other people is the greatest self own in modern history. It literally proves that Nietzscheanism aligns itself with the anti right wing instinct. Cry about it

[Anonymous No.20113638]

>>20113624
>Nietzsche for the 21st century left
>Nietzsche for people who he would have opposed in essentially every single way

[Anonymous No.20113646]

>>20113638
Not him but Nietzsche wouldn't care for 99% of both left and right

[Anonymous No.20113648]

>>20113624
The infinite struggle conveyed by Guts, is directly comparable to the infinite struggle of the proletariat against the right wing bourgeoisie. Guts is the modern day left wing. The right wing is the insane pyschotic Christians and clergy who goes around terrorizing and torturing people. It shows the importance of continuously resisting reactionary ideology. Their ideal world is the tyrannical one in berserk. They want tyranny, while the left fundamentally wants equality and freedom. Debate me.

[Anonymous No.20113751]

>>20113646
I agree, he’d hate them both (even if they weren’t both made up of the democratising liberals that he found detestable) but him hating both doesn’t mean one should try to claim him.

[Anonymous No.20113788]

>>20112306
Conviction had some of the best themes and character development of the series.

[Anonymous No.20113819]

>>20113788
God is ...le BAD! is the theme of 99% of all anime. Pick any anime, manga, or jap videogame, and it's inevitably going to be about killing God

[Anonymous No.20113826]

>>20113819
gonna cry?

[Anonymous No.20113828]

>>20113648
>The infinite struggle conveyed by Guts, is directly comparable to the infinite struggle of the proletariat against the right wing bourgeoisie. Guts is the modern day left wing. The right wing is the insane pyschotic Christians and clergy who goes around terrorizing and torturing people. It shows the importance of continuously resisting reactionary ideology. Their ideal world is the tyrannical one in berserk. They want tyranny, while the left fundamentally wants equality and freedom. Debate me.

[Anonymous No.20113833]

>>20113648
> The infinite struggle conveyed by Guts, is directly comparable to the infinite struggle of the proletariat against the right wing bourgeoisie. Guts is the modern day left wing. The right wing is the insane pyschotic Christians and clergy who goes around terrorizing and torturing people. It shows the importance of continuously resisting reactionary ideology. Their ideal world is the tyrannical one in berserk. They want tyranny, while the left fundamentally wants equality and freedom. Debate me.

[Anonymous No.20113835]

>>20113648
No because you're absolutely based and correct.

[Anonymous No.20113842]

>>20113624
Chuds are nazis, not christcucks.

[Anonymous No.20113845]

>>20113826
What? I'm not religious, I just find it trite. Anime, or modern japanese culture at large, is one of the most artisitcally shallow things ever. There's a good reason they got mogged by koreans of all people.

[Anonymous No.20113852]

>>20113845
>There's a good reason they got mogged by koreans of all people.
?

[Anonymous No.20114570]

>>20110708
Where are you demarcating "modern"? Aside from the novels everyone agrees on as being Impressive (the meme trilogy, etc.) I would unironically say LoTR - it has inspired a ton of creators from other fantasy authors (even though they never really approach Tolkien they're still reacting to him in one way or another), tabletop games, video games, etc.

[Anonymous No.20114615]

>>20113648
>marxoids actually think some over the top grimdark manga is somehow an analogy for their worldview

also
>left
>not tyrannical
hahahahahahaha

[Anonymous No.20114626]

>>20112313
>It smells like cheese!
>Boss, we must leave!

[Anonymous No.20114634]

>>20114570
Modern is 1500 AD-present AD

[Anonymous No.20114643]

>>20113648
This is an extremely tortured reading of Berserk. Japan always makes the Church seem more powerful and relevant than it actually is, in reality, its now mostly full of gay priests who are on the effete side. The forces of Reaction have basically been irrelevant, at least in the moral realm, since WW2.

Besides, Berserk becomes pretty aimless after the Golden Age arc ends.

>>20114634
I was thinking post-WW1 at a minimum. I really just wanted to claim LoTR as a contrarian pick.

[Anonymous No.20114658]

>>20114643

[Anonymous No.20114667]

>>20114658
Sure but as a society, we've already pretty much settled the argument about what the most important works are through the 1800s, no? I don't think there are many authors who are going to be elevated or reduced in stature before 1900 at this point.

[Anonymous No.20114676]

>>20114667
Not necessarily. We don't know what beings will value in 2 billion years from now.

[Anonymous No.20114694]

>>20113648
The infinite struggle conveyed by Guts, is directly comparable to the infinite struggle of the 'common sense' middle class against the left-wing neomarxist elites. Guts is the modern day conservative. The left wing is the insane pyschotic gender cultists and idpol fanatics who go around terrorizing and torturing people. It shows the importance of continuously resisting reactionary ideology. Their ideal world is the tyrannical one in berserk. They want tyranny, while the right fundamentally wants equality and freedom. Debate me.

[Anonymous No.20114720]

>>20110708
>modern in the historical sense ie post-rennaissance
Hamlet, Don Quixote, Moby-Dick, possibly Ulysses, possibly Blood Meridian (but I think it’s too soon to say for 20th century fiction)
>modern as in post WW2
Blood Meridian is possible but like I said still too soon to say
>modern as in the current generation, say post-cold war/new millennium
It’s definitely too soon to say, contrary to what most people say, there probably are some great novels being written and even published right now but classics arise out of time very often (Moby-Dick’s quality wasn’t recognised for most of a century), and the current deluge of pulp genre fiction as never seen before makes it difficult to find great books, especially considering that most people with aesthetic standards for what they read are going to focus on classics that everyone knows are good rather than wasting their time sifting through hundreds of recent publications. I will say that there is now a smaller proportion of people capable of writing worthwhile literature, because doing so requires both intelligence and life experience, one can truly only write about what one is familiar with, and most people now are familiar with very little of interest

[Anonymous No.20114745]

>>20114720
Probably A la Recherche de la Temps Perdu as well, though it’s length is understandably intimidating, Swann’s Way is more manageable and is a classic in its own right

[Anonymous No.20114746]

>>20113648
I thought Griffith was the more interesting/relatable character tbqh. Plus he won.

>>20112306
This, Conviction was ok, everything after was boring shit.

[Anonymous No.20114841]

After I die, I will become some kind of Freddy Kruger monster except I get the bait posting retards on 4chan through the electronics. My face is just the :^) smiley. I emerge from behind the gaming chair or the pile of dirty laundry while he's cackling and typing, then I push him on the floor and pin him down under my knee and lift his dime t-shirt and clutch his pasty flaccid belly and pull apart, with my bare hands and all of my might, until I tear open his worthless rag of a body and everything inside spills out, and then I grab a handful of his intestines and feast on them like a rabid animal, locking eyes with him in triumph as I masticate his insides and he screams in terror and pain through his little bug eyes which a second before were looking all happy while he was typing his cowardly little buzzword-filled bait. That's what I'll do when I will become a vengeful spirit after death.

[Anonymous No.20114957]

>>20113648
The infinite struggle conveyed by Guts, is directly comparable to the infinite struggle of the humanity against sin. Guts is the modern day Saint Paul. The sinners is the insane pyschotic faggots and communist who goes around terrorizing and torturing people. It shows the importance of continuously resisting degeneracy, sin and leftist ideas. Their ideal world is the tyrannical one in berserk. They want tyranny, while the Christian fundamentally wants equality and freedom. Debate me.

[Anonymous No.20115010]

>>20113648
>>20114694
>>20114957
The infinite struggle conveyed by Guts, is directly comparable to the infinite struggle of all living things against existence. Guts is Sisyphus. Everything that happens is meaningless struggle intermixed with distraction, just like life. Debate me.

[Anonymous No.20115022]

Something by Houllebecq. It should be Elementary Particles but will probably be Submission.

[Anonymous No.20115034]

The infinite struggle conveyed by Guts, is directly comparable to the infinite struggle of the trans rights.

[Anonymous No.20115178]

>>20113648
True. Think about the right wing slave morality present in today. Imagine subjecting yourself to abstractions like virtues, morality , or whatever other idealism. The left wants to free people of that. Guts struggles against the status quo, he is literally progressive in definition. You have the tyrannical right wing Christian overlords ruling over people, and yet there are people that are still Christians, that still worship them. Same in Berserk, and the same in our world, except in ours, they are capitalists. Guts rejects that entirely. It's a perfect series to show how the Church is evil, and how religion and right wing dogma is used to control people. Why is left wing Nietzscheanism so based anons? Can I get more for this feel?

[Anonymous No.20115203]

>>20115178
Tearing down the existing right wing structures that hold us back and keep us slaves. That's what Nietzsche did, and that's what the current left wing is doing too. That's why he philosophies with a hammer, he took it to religion, which was the dominant right wing idealogy of his time. We must take it to reactionaries. We envision a better future, one worth struggling and fighting for. We are willing to go forward and create something new. That's what it means to be fundamentally Nietzschean

[Anonymous No.20115376]

>>20112306
>bad by his own hand
What do you expect? He was working 120+ hour weeks on the comic and eating like shit, when he did actually eat. The mental breakdown was inevitable

[Anonymous No.20115377]

>>20110708
My diary desu

[Anonymous No.20115383]

For anything post-2000, the best bet would be 2666.

[Anonymous No.20115401]

>>20115178
>>20115203
i hope you're deliberately being ironic :)

[Anonymous No.20115403]

This is now a Berserk theory thread.

[Anonymous No.20115452]

>>20113624
Do I need to keep reminding you not to piss your pants to keep warm? You can project all you want, but Berserk never meant anything about the integrity of [insert religion here], according to Miura himself. As good art should be an account of events that may and may not have influenced us, and in doing so inspire us to ask questions (not answer them).

[Anonymous No.20115854]

>>20115452
>giving an actual thoughtful answer to a literal moron
…are you touched in the head? Ignore him. Berserk was created in the 80’s, before the internet made information gathering easy. It’s understanding of Christianity is neon genesis tier of “giant cross explosions pretty, angel go brrrrrr.”

[Anonymous No.20115917]

>>20110837
>>20112404
>”wow im so LE EDGY”

[Anonymous No.20115994]

berserk is for pseuds, high-strung teenagers, and women (obsession with healing through feminine contact).

[Anonymous No.20116009]

>>20114570
>I would unironically say LoTR - it has inspired a ton of creators from other fantasy authors (even though they never really approach Tolkien they're still reacting to him in one way or another), tabletop games, video games, etc.
Are you going out of your way to make Tolkien sound worse than it actually is?

[Anonymous No.20116014]

All the short stories by Gary Lutz, at least I hope.

[Anonymous No.20116107]

Infinite Jest.

[Anonymous No.20116236]

>>20110837
>paradise lost isn’t a classic
I’m an Arab and even I think you’re a tremendous faggot

[Anonymous No.20116243]

>>20113648
>The infinite struggle conveyed by Guts, is directly comparable to the infinite struggle of the proletariat against the right wing bourgeoisie.

This is quite accurate. Guts is an aimless, seething loser, and the only goals he ever had were a reaction to stuff Griffith did. Griffith was based as fuck, he had actual vision/goals, and even though he did some rather questionable things and paid horrific prices, he achieved his dream and altered the course of human history forever. Meanwhile Guts ended up just hanging out on some gay fairy island.

[Anonymous No.20116617]

>>20110708
Berserk is crap, stupid zoomer shithead.
Read Tezuka's Hi no Tori or Daisuke Igarashi's Children of the Sea if you want something that's actually good.

[Anonymous No.20116684]

>>20116617
Fight me queerboy

[Anonymous No.20116701]

>>20113648
>pyschotic Christians and clergy who goes around terrorizing and torturing people
Are you a time traveler from the past?

[Anonymous No.20116758]

>>20113624
>>20113648
Very very very true. If you think about it, The entire left, from Bush down, sublimates all that Gutz was is and will be. He is a great man who with his own hands enacts a society where one does not enact justice through their own will, but instead, pays deference to the collective. As he knows that any indivigual struggle is not only doomed to fail, but the ideology itself is silly. This is represented directly by the long boat trip. It takes the majority of the runtime to show that we all live one one big ship called the WORLD. And there are no heros, only the redistribution of the good by the commons to the commons. Gutz' fights are actually a very well constructed satire on the childishness and essential fascism in such wanton displays of masculine projection and coding. Because Ultimately he doesnt get anywhere. His perservierience means nothing, ideology means nothing unless backed by the material and epicurean satisfaction of the whole. he could have died. he could have got hurt. bad things.... dangerous things. but on the ship he goes to fairy land. the whole thing was a masterful deconstruction of the violence inherent in violence.

[Anonymous No.20118261]

HPMOR

[Anonymous No.20118424]

>>20110708
Guts is a buddhist 4chan cringe poster who has let go of greed hatred and delusion by loving Griffith as a mother (Casca) does her own son... He no longer can pick up his sword nor see an object of ill will. Neither can Griffith. The cessation of Good. The cessation of Evil. In this life realized by their very own experience.

Also i am a huge faggot who has a folder full of shameful anime avatars I just misplaced it but believe me I am just like (You)